BREAKING: Remington Reintroduces the R51 Pistol

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Remington has just informed purchasers of the original R51 pistol that the second model – which aims to fix the issues of the initial production version – is now ready to be shipped. Remington has taken the extra step for initial buyers of the R51 of not releasing the new improved model to the wider market until all original R51 customers get their chance to receive a new pistol first. The letter below was sent out to Remington R51 customers earlier today (thanks to Russell Duty for posting it to FB):

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Dear Valued Remington Customer,

We sincerely thank you for your patience as we finalized the development and testing of the Remington R51 pistol. The steps taken within our quality and manufacturing processes have given us the confidence to reintroduce the R51 to the market. We have prioritized our launch to give you the opportunity to receive your replacement firearm prior to a full commercial reintroduction. As a token of our appreciation, we are including a custom Pelican hard pistol case and two extra magazines with your new R51 subcompact pistol. We will also reimburse you for the transfer fee charged by your FFL dealer. Your new Remington R51 subcompact pistol is ready for delivery and can be shipped to a licensed firearms dealer of your choice.

In order for you to receive your new R51, please call us at 800-243-9700 (M-F 9m-5pm EST) with your dealer’s name and phone number. If you prefer, you may send us your name, contact information, dealer name, and dealer contact information via fax (336-548-7801), email (info@remington.com) or mail (P.O Box 700, Madison NC 27025). In addition, we have assigned a consumer service representative to follow up with you throughout this process. All replacement firearms need to be sent to a licensed dealer with a valid FFL (Federal Firearms License) on file with us. To assist in speeding up the turnaround time, if you have your dealer’s FFL available, please include it, if not, we will contact your dealer to obtain a copy of the FFL on your behalf.

We have gone to great lengths to return the R51 to the marketplace, and we deeply appreciate your patience and support as we reintroduce this iconic firearm.

Sincerely,
Remington Arms Company, LLC

The Remington R51 is a 9mm re-imagining of the original Remington Model 51, a .380/.32 ACP single stack pocket carry gun designed in the late Nineteen Teens by John D. Pedersen. The modern incarnation was introduced just prior to the 2014 SHOT Show to much fanfare, but once the guns shipped, serious problems including out of battery firings began to appear. Remington recalled the pistols and pledged to replace the guns. Once the guns were returned, the company’s engineers identified a tolerance stacking issue with the production pistols, especially with the very dimension-sensitive trademark hesitation locking block. Remington removed the R51 from its website, ended production at the Charlotte, NC plant, and moved the tooling to Huntsville, AL, where they began to correct the issue in the new production pistols. Although Remington was very open about this change at the 2015 SHOT Show, by the next year at SHOT 2016, the R51 was nowhere to be found at the company’s booth, and the only thing company representatives would say about it was “it’ll be done when it’s done”. It seems that time has come!



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • DW

    5 words: Good luck, don’t fuq up.

    • Vhyrus

      again

  • Red McCloud

    PIGS HAVE FLOWN, THE R51 IS BACK

    • You mean the sky is full of pork:-)

      • Kivaari

        It’s BBQ season.

      • Joe Hathaway

        Phil, do you know if the Gen 2 will be happy with +P ammo, as the first one was advertised to be?

  • David G

    I think you must have meant to put “Breaking” in a different part of the sentence.

    • Giolli Joker

      LOL, I had the very same thought!

    • PK

      Oooooh, snap!

      As in parts breakage.

    • COTD right here.

  • Amuse Bouche

    Should have just followed in Colt’s footsteps with the 1903, and made a direct replica of the original Model 51 in .380.

    • Joe

      Less ugly and more reliable, not a huge tradeoff for the lighter calibers.
      I disagree though, I want to see a M1903/08 scaled up to handle non-Plus P 9mm.
      And when I mean scaled, I mean proportionally, not like the skinny slide assembly/long (front to back) grip of the P938.

      • darkdrifter

        Scaling a blow back design to work with 9mm luger.. It will look like a Hi Point. Not proportional. P938 is a locked breech design.

        • Kivaari

          The Remington at east used a delayed locked breach even when it wasn’t needed for the .32 and .380. It is a very nice design. I suspect it would scale up, as they did in plastic. Doing it in steel would be very nice.

          • darkdrifter

            To clarify I was talking about the Colt Hammerless pistols Joe mentioned. The metal Model 51 would scale up fine I would imagine. It has already been done before in the form of the now mythical Model 53 (.45 ACP) that never saw production.

      • Kivaari

        Except since +P ammo exists on the store shelves, it will need to be built for that.

        • It is—-

          • Kivaari

            Phil, Joe wanted a 1903/08 scaled up. Nice idea but it would need a locked breach or a Hi-Point slide.

          • Or it would end up the size of the FN M1903 Grand Browning.

          • Kivaari

            They were just a longer .380. Nice guns, too many were sleeved back to .380, and couldn’t handle 9×19 unless it had a locked breach mechanism added. A very sleek pistol. I had used the Swedes.

          • MacCaskill

            It’s “breech” not “breach”.

          • Kivaari

            Ahh, American English. I’m trying to figure out led & lead.

          • Kivaari

            Like “Hold the breach”(break)”. I wonder is the breech applicable to a fortified line or dike wall, until it is breached? Serious, I am too lazy to go get the dictionary.

    • Kivaari

      Colt just licenses its name for an over-priced copy.

  • kzrkp

    I’m hyped, such a cool design

    • Jack Burton

      It really is. Rooting for Remington here, despite their track record in recent years.

      • As am I. I know how much time and work has gone into this extensive design analysis, changes, testing and more testing. in fact I was told this pistol has most likely been tested more than any other in history.

        • disqus_f62emCdwDh

          Compared to any H&K?

        • Jwedel1231

          The literal centuries’ worth of Glock testing videos on YouTube beg to differ.

    • Almost ashamed to say I want one. My big problem is that I’m a timkerer and shadetree fabricator, so the third party (lack of foundational) support leaves me hesitant.

      I’d probably end up pinning that grip safety in place as modification #1.

    • Mark

      Such a cool design that it failed twice.

  • Giolli Joker

    “Dear Valued Beta Tester,
    We sincerely thank you for your patience as we finalized the development and testing of the Remington R51 pistol. […]”

    • Anonymoose

      Kinda like every SIG 556 variant…

    • PK

      I’ll wait for the next “patch”. I’m betting a lot of other people will, as well.

    • Wanderlust

      I think its more a mark of the incompetence of the production and management of Remington rather then actually thinking “these chums can be our beta testers”. If its tested and works I will be happy to give this American Company a second chance. I think everyone realizes they need all the help they can get as do there employees at this point. If the remake is infact good, and it will have many independent testers, it will be a success.

  • gunsandrockets

    When they debugged it, did they also de-uglyfy it?

    • Tothe

      Glocks are ugly. The R51 is… well, I’m not sure what it is. It’s different.

      • 2ThinkN_Do2

        The R51 is streamlined, similar to a P238 Sig . . . ever wonder why block rhymes with Glock; that’s what it felt like to hold one to me. The newer Glocks are better, still, I’ll stick with my CZ75 D PCR.

  • ItalianAmerican

    Didn’t get the first iteration (the ALPHA version), might as well get this Beta.

  • Don Ward

    Remington Model 53 Reboot (or just “Boot”)… GOOOO!!!

  • Here’s to hoping they got it right this time around.

  • Quasimofo

    You’re late – 4/1 was over 2 months ago…

  • Kivaari

    Excellent. If it works, it will do well in the marketplace.

    • TJbrena

      If it works and can overcome the stigma of the last launch. Fool me once, shame on you and all that.

      • Hinermad

        Unfortunately even if Remington ships a miracle in every box, the Internet never forgets. Twenty years from now old-timers who never owned one will still be ranting about what a piece of junk the R51 was. Kind of like the way the Mini-14 is treated now.

        • Kivaari

          I never got why the Mini had such a bad rap. I owned a dozen of them, and they were reliable, and only needed a couple changes. A new aperture and a Picatinny rail instead of factory rings.

          • Hinermad

            The early version of the Mini-14 made back in the 1990s were pretty lackluster. Since about 2004 they’ve been redesigned and many of the issues fixed. My biggest beef with mine (bought new about 5 years ago) was that it ejected cases about 10 yards. An aftermarket bushing in the gas block took care of that.

          • Kivaari

            Mini 14s got a bad rap from people using junk magazines and junk ammunition. When introduced it was hard to find plinking .223 ammo. People bought commercial reloads of horrible quality (including big makers like HSM). Put junk ammo in junk magazines and people hold onto junk memories.
            I owned Mini14 rifles that shot MOA with MY ammo. Using Ruger magazines, the rifles worked. Starting 30 years ago Thermold magazines worked. Other brands, metal and plastic, did not. It wasn’t the fault of the mini 14, just users using junk. A reputation was built upon faulty after market junk.

          • nadnerbus

            Aftermarket mags
            are, or at least used to be, uniformly junk. They all jammed. And Ruger only produced flush fit 5 round mags for a long time, so aftermarket was almost the whole game.

          • Kivaari

            Until The mid-80s I had no trouble getting 20 round factory magazines. Pretty much every one I bought I bought 10 spares. They simply were/are fantastic quality. They always worked.

          • bee O bee

            I’ve got a 582 series Mini-14 and have found that most of the aftermarket magazines, especially ‘Pro Mag’ products were crap. In fact I used a new crummy Pro Mag to make a magazine well block so I could clamp the rifle in a bench vise to tinker with it. Tapco mags and of course Ruger factory mags always work very well.

          • Kivaari

            You have it!!! Mini-14 Rugers work just fine. Only those having aftermarket mags and junk ammo had problems. You can’t tell some people. I watched a guy ruin a GB by using Wolf. He said it wouldn’t shoot. The dealer told him to use better ammo as wolf is hard on extractors and deliver poor accuracy. He finally came back with a broken (no longer serviced extractor) and amazingly it still shot bad groups with Wolf ammo. Listen to an honest dealer. They can sell you Wolf junk, if you insist.

          • BigR

            I’ve never used Wolf ammo, but from what everyone is saying about it, I glad I never bought any.

          • nadnerbus

            It’s overblown. My friend put probably 4 to 6 thousand rounds of Wolf through his stainless mini before the extractor broke. They are like an 8 dollar part, and easy to replace. Easily worth the savings in ammo.

            On the flip side, my blued mini never liked Wolf. The rounds would hang up fairly often while feeding. Brass I have zero problems with. Test out ammo and see what your guns like.

          • Kivaari

            Pro Mag has no shame.

          • Tothe

            “Pro Mag” = abbreviation for “promise of a magazine.” That promise is never fulfilled.

          • nadnerbus

            The brass getting shot into near Earth orbit is just a sign that the rifle is heavily gassed. That is what makes them so reliable though. Dings up the mouth of the brass pretty good though.

      • nadnerbus

        This is why they need to really embrace the Youtubers and gun bloggers. Get dealer samples out there, get out of the way, and let reviewers beat the snot out of them. They have earned a very bad rap. They need to go above and beyond to earn it back.

  • borekfk

    I’m all for it if it works.

    • We will be testing it thoroughly and we will pass along what we find.

      • Southpaw89

        Looking forward to it, I liked the design from the start and a good review will almost certainly result in a purchase.

  • Gambler X

    why?

    • They were committed to fixing the problem and making sure buyers got a new pistol, refund, exchange etc.
      They’ve been making the new ones for some time now and done some extensive testing over these past months. Believe me they want this done right.

      • Rob

        My understanding is that the R51 has become about Remington’s reputation. They need this to go well and I think they are playing it very cautiously to ensure that it does.

        • Very true——

        • Kivaari

          Remington has harmed themselves with every model they now sell. It is sad to see how they take every opportunity to cheapen their product, without lowering the price.

      • Gambler X

        which they probably should have done to being with before dumping it on the market and giving it a negative reputation.

        • Internally things have changed a great deal. New CEO after that as well as new engineers and more of them.
          I’ve said it before but the great luck we had with them was when we shot prototypes and pre production guns. Now only production guns will be presented to writers for testing.

      • Kivaari

        It is a lesson that cost them a great deal. I hope they took 100 pistols off the randomly off the line and had employees shoot them at least 200 rounds. If they worked under such testing, they will likely be good to go.

        • Oh man they have done a huge amount of testing with very high round counts and all of that testing has been done on production guns.
          I actually saw them being built some time back but I couldn’t talk about it at the time.

          • Kivaari

            Excellent. When I had my last gun store I sold ONE S&W Sigma, as they had a bad reputation. I got blamed by the deputy, even though I suggested he buy a Glock. S&Ws reputation did not seem to suffer like Remington did this round.

    • DIR911911 .

      why what? why is the world so hard for you to understand? probably something to do with education I imagine.

      • Gambler X

        A personal attack, over one word, how cute….you know, Remington isnt going to give you any freebies for defending the overpriced, oversized, single stack pistol that couldnt?

  • Scott Rhymer

    Yeeeah…no.

  • santi

    I am still excited to get a hold of one. Hope it all works out!

  • Jeff Smith

    Question: didn’t Remington offer to replace guns with 1911s? Do those who took the replacement gun get a free R51?

  • DIR911911 .

    print the letter , THEN type out the letter AGAIN? is there some kind of word minimum for these articles or what?

    • Laserbait

      Sometimes images with text are hard to read, especially on a mobile device with smaller screen, or if the image hosting service fails in some way, the text serves as a backup. Plus, you can’t search on the text in an image.

    • Three words: Search Engine Optimization.

  • hikerguy

    If the new pistols please the owners, it would go a long way in estab!ishing it in a highly competitive subcompact market. The fact they are taking care of the original owners, took the time to get it right, and will include extra magazines and a good case shows a lot. Only time will tell, but I hope it goes well for them and the customers.

  • Laserbait

    I’m excited to get my R51 back! I loved shooting it, just didn’t like that it would fail to go into battery sometimes.

    • It will be along soon. No guns on shelves until you guys are all taken care of.

    • Kivaari

      I think you will get a new gun. It is likely easier to give you a new gun than to fix whatever it was, especially if it involved the plastic casting of the frame.

      • Laserbait

        I suspected that too, because they wanted my FFL’s contact number. The fellow that I talked to at Remington yesterday confirmed that these are all new guns, new serial numbers.

      • Laserbait

        I’m sure I will, that’s why they needed to send it to an FFL. Ay other time that I’ve had guns repaired, they’ve just shipped it back directly to me.

  • Arandor Thinnorion

    If they release it in the original .32 acp, I’ll be interested. I would settle for .380 ACP if I had to.

    • Kivaari

      They are beautiful pistols. The .380 version is nice. It has a hole size that is more appealing to most of us.

      • Arandor Thinnorion

        Are you referring to the original Remington 51s?

        • Kivaari

          Yes, The old timers. I lucked into finding one at a gun show that my buddy bought. Box, papers and all. A wonderfully functioning gun, with enormous style. His normal packing gun is a 1903/08 (I can’t remember which). That Remington is too nice to carry. That’s why I didn’t buy it. If a gun is a collectors piece, I don’t want it. I want shooters. My friends have the best gun collection I ever owned.

  • john huscio

    Still…..

  • Michael A. Pickle

    Good for them, I hope it sells well. Now if they could just bring back the 53…

  • Harry’s Holsters

    April First was months ago?

    • Kivaari

      Waiting for feedback? It would be good to hear what the people since the re-intro have experienced.

  • Gorilla Biscuit

    LOL this should be truly amusing . Even if they do work.

  • ozzallos .

    I need a nine. If rem can pull this off, there’s a very good chance the R51 will be it.

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    I really wanted this gun to be a success the first time around. I know a lot of people have issues with the looks, but I don’t understand why. I think it looks good and very modern, even futuristic.

    That said, I hope they really did take this time to make it right once and for all.

    If so, I’ll happily buy one. It’s a fantastic concealed gun due to how slim it is. I’d love to carry one.

  • JohnnyBGood

    I don’t have a lot of faith. Remington blew it with the first release, and my service experience with the rm380 was so bad, I changed my mind about buying a R1. It will take a long time, and a lot of good reviews (from reliable sources) for me to change my mind. Heck, by then, I’ll probably be one of those old people who never changes their mind haha.

    • Kivaari

      Your .380 failed as well?

      • JohnnyBGood

        Trigger spring was too soft and wouldn’t function right after 200 rounds. The gun is function wonderfully now (I carry mine) but my issue with Remington was the service. It took months to get it back…

  • iksnilol

    Well, they can’t do worse than what they did earlier.

  • TJbrena

    Remington is everything wrong with the video game industry.

    Wait a minute…

  • Tim Whitaker

    Those rocket scientist in Huntsville were a good investment.

  • Captain Obvious

    Seems like Remington screwed the pooch on the R51 and as a gun buying consumer, I am not ready to give them a second chance. Too many good pistols on the market to settle for crap or believe in them again.

  • Darren

    I wish they’d re-release the pistol in 32 ACP.

  • LCON

    And it’a back on the market… ( 5 minutes later) And Recall….. ( another 5 minutes) and Relaunch… And Recall.

  • Chris

    Fool me once, Remington. Fool me once…

  • Tothe

    IF they got it right this time, re-analyzed the tolerances, adjusted the machining, and changed problematic components, I’d be interested.

  • candiduscorvus

    It’s a sharp looking little pistol but the first release was so bad I’ll be surprised if they can overcome that reputation. Remington’s long guns have been suffering too in recent years. It’s a problem with the company as a whole.

    • Military Arms Channel

      I agree. I’ve not been impressed with anything in their product line for quite some time. Hopefully the new management team can turn the ship around with all product lines. Let’s see how he R51 relaunch goes. I want to see them succeed. I miss the Remington I grew up with and trusted explicitly as the gold standard for bolt guns and pump shotguns.

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Still have an original R51, one of the few that apparently works reasonably reliably. It has had some issues, but nothing repetitive time after time. Seems to be improving the more I shoot it. About 400 rounds through it with maybe 8 issues to date. It’s a very accurate easy to shoot gun. I can’t decide if I want to get rid of my original for the replacement. I did pick up an RM380 on 11/02/15 and it is a very nice firearm. Feels good, shoots well, easy to CC and it’s accurate and flawless though 400 rounds.

    • Military Arms Channel

      I would be cautious about shooting it a whole bunch. The hardened steel locking block engages with an aluminum frame. That won’t last for long and as the locking shelf sets further and further back the round comes further and further out of battery. There’s a reason Remington had to scrap the original guns and start fresh. I kept one of my original pistols too but shoot it very sparingly. I’m curious to compare it to the replacement.

  • M.Mitchell Marmel

    I’ll wait a bit and see if the bugs are truly removed before investing. Sexy little thing, though. <3

  • uisconfruzed

    “Breaking” even before Big Green goes to market.
    Same as usual.

    I’ll have a Marlin 45-70 Govt for my Hybrid, IF I can find one that is pre Freedom Arms.

  • gdogs

    I had my doubts that they’d ever get this thing out again. Maybe I should have bought one when everyone was dumping them cheap. If this one works, I would be in the market for sure.

  • shadytreehog

    The only good news, if you can call it that, is that they kept at it. All the false promises and re-release dates made along the way, the fights with CS over refunds or replacement alternatives…hell, I’m surprised that there’s any buyers of that original disaster left who haven’t already cashed out for an R1 or monetary reimbursement. All of our customers bailed, and considering the shoddy treatment that some received I’m pretty sure that they’ll NEVER come back to you. Fact is, there was a fear that they wouldn’t come back to US as a result of their experiences with that ham-fisted, sorry excuse of a handgun. And given the Model 700s that we were without because of ITS own drawn out recall, Remington and Freedom Group should not wonder why so many dealers and even distributors across the country no long do business with them.

    The firearms industry would be best served if Freedom Group and their Cerberus Capital masters would finally fulfill their promise and sell the firearms side, and thus let REAL gun people run Remington, Marlin, AAC, Bushmaster, DPMS and all of the rest of the companies that they managed to twist and mangle and otherwise run right into the ground. Supermarkets and developing rundown tenements and vacant lots are an entirely different world that brings nothing to the firearms universe. Unless you equate handguns with toilet paper. But even there they missed, because like you do with teepee the original R51 release should’ve gone in and flushed down the toilet before it ever made it to SHOT.

  • Steve King

    A buy back would be impressive. 1st chance to buy another gun…NOT>

  • MrApple

    Best of luck with that turd.

  • Humpy

    Remington should be extremely ashamed of themselves, to release a firearm without proper quality control procedures, and function testing is asinine, and completely irresponsible.
    I certainly won’t purchase one of these pistols.
    The last Remington I ever bought was a model 597 .22 rifle, which was a piece of crap I promptly got rid of, at 25 yards it had a group that looked more like a shotgun blast!
    My 1950s era 870 Wing Master, and 1970’s era model 700 .243 rifle are the only ones I currently own.

  • tiger

    I wish them luck. The gun is rather sporty looking vs. the Glocks & Sigs of the world. Black & blocky. It looks like a Modern PPK with power. Now if it would just perform right? Sadly, I thing the bad rep damage is done.

  • Matt Wilder

    I wonder if there’s even any original customers left that are still even waiting around for this thing. And, the rest of us that know the debacle and have seen Remington landslide into a shell of its former self, probably won’t be buying this pistol. I too wish them luck, because they’re going to need it. All I can say is that if I were left hanging for 2+ years for a replacement firearm I had paid good money for, I would have assuredly gotten my money back by now, and probably would never purchased from them ever again; at least until they’re no longer owned by Freedom Group.

  • Mc Cain

    Looks cool…I’ll wait to see how well this “new and improved” version works.

  • S. Plankenberg

    Jjii

    • Remington’s entire management team was replaced a little more than a year ago (start of June 2015,) but I don’t think the R51 had much to do with it. I would guess that the other lawsuits and the bottom line are larger reasons (though the R51 debacle likely effects the bottom line in at least a small way.)

  • SeeThroughYou

    I’m still down for one of these, I’ve wanted a 9mm pistol that can run an ultralight suppressor without a friggin booster for years and this is the only option besides the HK P9S.

  • AirborneSoldier

    Anyone know what msrp will be?

  • tarnishedcopper

    I’ll stick to the tried and proven Walther PPK design. What a large blunder for a company to make. All for a .32 or .380 ACP?

  • Matt Wilder

    If I had been a customer that waited this long for a replacement, and all they gave me were a rather generic case and two extra mags for my loyalty and troubles, I’d tell them where to stick them. Most pistols come with a case and an extra magazine as new anyway…. If I were Remington, I would have given customers their new R51 PLUS one other firearm of equal or lesser value as a “thank you” for actually having that much loyalty and faith in the brand.
    But then again, was anyone actually dumb enough to wait around this long without taking an R1 or a refund?
    Mind you, I’m a Remington owner, and my favorite firearm in my collection is a Remington Model 17. However, Remington should be ashamed of themselves, and they need to cut the cord with Freedom Group.

    • Tothe

      A proper Pelican case is a step up for sure, and I suspect the new tooling will result in a higher-quality gun that will probably require a higher MSRP than initially planned. It may turn out to be a worthwhile deal. And reimbursement for transfer fees is no small thing.

      • 2ThinkN_Do2

        Reimbursing for a transfer fee may be no small amount, but it is not anything of value to me. I didn’t pay a transfer fee on the original purchase (whatever gov’t fees, were included in the then pricing). As for a Pelican case, I don’t use cases ever. I use soft Bore Store sleeves for storage with trigger locks. The only plus are the extra magazines. I’d prefer they threw in $100 worth of ammo of my choice made by Remington or $100 Remington Gift Card.

    • 2ThinkN_Do2

      Remington never sent out an official recall or refund notice to owners (even registered ones; I am one). I still have an original and it actually works as it should more often than not. Last time I was out with it, it had two incidents during 50 rounds of shooting. It also hasn’t been cleaned in the last three outings. The outing before this one, it had one incident and none the one before that. So three incidents in 150 rounds of shooting. No, not what most would call reliable, but would they have occurred if I had not neglected to clean it after each outing? Guess I’ll make the phone call for the new one this week.

  • Isaac Arnold

    After a Bushmaster was used at Sandy Hook (2012), Cerberus claimed they were selling the Freedom Group. By fall 2014 they had not sold it, Obama was reelected, there was a gun sales boom, and Cerberus kept ownership of the Freedom Group. Now we are in another gun (in particular AR style) sales boom. Cerberus still owns Freedom Group, and they have to be making money off of it. Cerberus is Wall Street types, not gun guys. I hear from time to time that they have fixed their quality problems, maybe so. But I won’t buy any of their guns.

  • Louis Bethel

    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice……..

  • MichaelBolton

    If I could envision a handgun that was ugly as sin but also not very useful, I would have invented the R51

  • POWNV

    Well I guess I’m one of the dumb ones. I’ve got dozens of guns including some reliable CC carry and 1911s. I have been looking at some other single stack 9mms lately and I even called Remington a month or so ago about paying to upgrade the replacement R1 for an R1 Enhanced. They said they couldn’t even let me pay to upgrade and I was busy going through selling my house and moving so I sat tight due to rumors that they would be re-releasing the R51 soon (rumors were right for once). I waited because the gun still checks several boxes I wanted checked in a single stack compact 9mm.
    1. Slim, preferably <=1" thick (I want to carry IWB)
    2. Tall enough to get all four fingers on the gun without mag extender
    3. Low bore axis
    4. Relatively light/crisp trigger with short reset
    5. Preferred metal frame (I have plenty of plastic guns)
    6. Traditional mag release (I don't love paddle style on a gun this small)
    7. Ability to change grips was nice even though the scales are a bit small.
    I think Remington has handled everything pretty well so far. They have never been rude or sounded put off that I was calling for info they obviously weren’t willing to release. I think they could have gained some good will by letting buyers know the status of things throughout the process. A lot of people have been all butt hurt by this whole thing and as an early buyer (shame on me) they have been generous enough as far as any reasonable person should be concerned:
    Early on they offer a more expensive gun or a full refund. Those that were interested in an R1 or making a few bucks on the trade; should say thank you and move on about their business. I've seen a lot of posts over the period of wait where people were trying to get more, more, more and cried foul when Remington stood their ground. I don’t know how many thousands of these Remington took back but they have not gained anything in the process… it has cost them financially and they have continued to develop the gun taking great care to get it right this time (I hope).
    Now am I wowed by a Pelican case and a couple of mags??? No. They would have received more praise from me had they offered my some options as to what I may like as a thank you for waiting gift. I may have chose more mags or most certainly some streamlined holster. What does someone need with a big water tight Pelican case for a single stack carry gun? I suppose I can use the case for other guns but not a very practical thank you in my opinion.
    At the end of the day before all of this I felt like Remington was a good company with a nice heritage that put out a quality product. I was an early adopter of something that hadn’t been tested because I wanted the shiny new thing. It turned out to be a bad idea on my part and I think Remington has seen their errors in judgment both from the reputation hit and the short term financial implications. They’ve done more than many other manufactures would have done by continuing to develop a gun that may never be a financial success. I fully expected to get a: “We are sorry to inform you we are no longer pursuing the R51 and we’re sorry for the inconvenience.”. Time will tell if fixing the gun was a smart financial choice but applaud them for their tenacity.

  • spencer60

    OK… so the pigs can now fly.

    Now if only Caracal would send me the same letter about my new C-Series being ready to ship!

  • Wookie Webster

    I got home from work and mine was waiting for me. My FFL got it today. It came with a nice Pelican case and 4 mags, as promised. I took it apart and did a thorough inspection and cleaning. I can see some of the areas where they worked on the design. Also it feels smoother already when working the action and trigger. I hope to get a chance to run some rounds thru it this weekend. I’m just glad that they finally got these out on the market again. I was losing hope after 2 years of waiting.

  • REM1875

    If they had only gone with the original calibers but noooo they had to have it in 9mm. It’s not like rem and Pedersen didn’t have the 9mm option back then.

  • REM1875

    I am sticking with My rm-380, R-1 and 1875 Rem till they get the bugs worked out of this one for awhile.