RONI Recon Glock Kit

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I am not sure what to call Command Arms Accessories latest product. The RONI Recon is a variant of their RONI Carbine Kit, which converts pistols to carbines, but this kit does not turn a pistol into a carbine, it simply makes a Glock into a much bigger Glock.

The $350 kit allows two handed operation of the Glock, one hand on the pistol grip and one hand on the fore end, as well as a better mounting platform for optics on its 9.4″ picatinny rail.

So why would you want to make your compact handgun into a much bulkier handgun? For fun is the only good reason I can give. Unlike the RONI Carbine Kit, the RONI Recon does not turn the pistol into a Short Barrel Rifle and therefor is not subject to NFA rules and taxes.




Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • Squibbits

    Caveat Emptor: The kit may not turn the pistol into a SBR, but mounting a foregrip places in the “AOW” category and makes it subject to NFA rules.

  • Nicks87

    When I asked for a Glock assault rifle, this isnt what I ment.

    Why cant Glock take a hint. All these after market “carbine kits” just result in a more bulky pistol. They are a novelty. Why hasnt Glock tried to build a carbine or rifle with the same features found on their world famous pistols.

    We want the real deal.

  • h34t

    So the question is… Why not just buy a mp7, microUZI or a MP9/TMP isteed?

  • WoodenPlank

    “Unlike the RONI Carbine Kit, the RONI Recon does not turn the pistol into a Short Barrel Rifle and therefor is not subject to NFA rules and taxes.”

    Until someone unknowingly slaps a vertical foregrip on the bottom rail, and suddenly has an unregistered AOW on their hands. Even worse, the possibility of being accused of “constructive intent” by simply possessing your Glock, this kit, and a picatinny vertical foregrip.

  • Chucky

    If you use the pictured sling as it ought to be used, you can have similar stability as with a stock. Instead of applying pressure to your shoulder like conventional stocks, you push outwards with the sling against your back. The isometric tension is almost the same only opposite directions, can be as stable as a stock with practice and better than just aiming the gun with an isosceles stance.
    Still don’t like the RONI though, prefer HERA more.

  • Alex Vostox

    Yo dawg, I herd u liek big Glock, so we put Glock on Glock so u can fire a Glock inside a Glock!
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    But, seriously, this looked like big handgun condom or some sort…

  • SpudGun

    ‘For fun is the only good reason I can give’ – actually this does have one real world application, it’s useful to warn other shooters when an idiot shows up at the range with his Glock on a frikkin’ bipod.

  • gunslinger

    i though having a forward ‘hand grip” on a handgun made it subject to the wacky gun laws. or is that just some state laws?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      gunslinger, forward pistol grip yes, but pistols are allowed long forends, that are big enough to accommodate a hand. And yes, the law makes no sense at all.

  • Pete Sheppard

    Purpose? To make money.
    The things should sell like hotcakes to the tacti-cool crowd

  • Sofduc

    It is for the ninjas. With the Roni Recon, you can hide inside 3 Katanas, a silenced .50 BMG sniper rifle, 27 ninja stars and 5 super sonic grenades. Plus the usual ninja glock stuff. Very useful.

    You should know better…

  • MrSatyre

    These guys need to be making prop guns for Hollywood SF films instead.

  • MarkM

    Check around, a similar announcement on TOS claims it’s NFA.

    Aside from that, just another wannabee for slidefire bubbas on Saturday morning. Anyone with a modicum of pistol experience should be able to clear a course with a standard handgun quicker and more accurately. The reality is you pay $350 for something that requires it to be handled two handed, with no advantage in accuracy or use.

    Sling at no extra charge? Sure, so you don’t throw it down in disgust and transition to anything else, which would be more effective.

    I’ll leave this one for the crowd who hangs camo nets inside the basement bedroom they’ve been in too long. Get some daylight, dude.

  • Sian

    Idunno, that’s pushing things.

    You add a foregrip to that under-rail and you have yourself a felony waiting to happen.

    Guess you could say the same about the B&T TP9 though, which this thing seems to be desperately trying to copy, albeit for half the price (including the donor glock)

  • http://harqueb.us Mike S

    I dunno…

    I mean, if it had 5 or 6 more railed surfaces, I could totally see it. Then I could put a couple more optics and flashlights and gripping surfaces and railcovers on it.

  • Steven

    Isn’t this dangerously close to putting a forward grip or stock on a pistol?

  • 032125

    The sling mount on this is key; you can effectively use a sling as a stock if you tighten it to the right length and push out instead of pulling in. You can secure a cheek weld this way. This means that the Recon is about as close as you can get to an SBR in places where they are arbitrarily banned by the state, and it can be used to good effect with some training.

  • JT

    Would that bipod turn it into an AOW? I would think if you could get a good grip on it combined with the sling you could pull it forward and get a lot of stability for sighting. It would be great if legally it was still a pistol. I think I remember seeing Ruger charger pistols with bipods but I never looked into them.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      JT, bipods are legal. Yep, the Ruger Charger is one example, but there are others. The law makes no sense.

  • zincorium

    Well, you still can’t put a foregrip on it.

    The scopes that couldn’t already be mounted on glocks really shouldn’t be.

    A sling on a pistol, as opposed to just a lanyard, is overkill.

    And you need new sights, since this renders the existing ones inoperable.

    Whomever decided to green-light this will probably be looking for a new job soon.

  • Lance

    Waste of time and or money you can buy a H&K or clone of a H&K 94 and have a better pistol caliber carbine.

  • http://www.aaronmbrown.net/blog AMB

    This may not inherently turn the Glock into a pistol, but it makes it a lot easier for people to unknowingly do so. It is my understanding that attaching a vertical foregrip to a pistol makes it an SBR.

    IANAL and all, so be careful, know the law, and steer clear of the ATF.

  • Tom327Cat

    I am thinking that for a full auto glock, this would be manna from heaven.

  • Greg

    This attachment is treading in dangerous waters. The addition of a forward handgrip to a pistol makes it an AOW in the BATF’s eyes, though they haven’t actually convicted someone of this, to my knowledge.

    Some links discussing this:

    http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=381738
    http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-466044.html

  • Greg

    Giving this a second look, I was mistaken, there is no forward grip included with it. I think my eyes just mistakenly saw the shape of the forward grip included with the MAKO carbine kit and thought it was on here too. My bad.

  • abprosper

    Thats not as daft as its seems given the right kind of Glock. If works on the long barreled models like the old 17L it might make a decent ersatz SMG. 33 rounds 9mm +p would be pretty low recoil.

    Plus as gun toys go its not that expensive.

  • Andy from West Haven

    It’s intimidating to those who don’t know guns. But I’m guessing the B&T pistol is more svelte and compact than that thing.

    Also, I thought you couldn’t add a foregrip to a handgun?

  • Andy from West Haven

    Oh, and whoever put a bipod on that got punched in the face because of it. Wait. They didn’t? Okay then I volunteer my fist.

  • http://www.sourcesoft.cl Nathan

    This looks the same as what HERA ARMS did with the 1911 (CPE)
    http://www.hera-arms.com/images/IMG_1654entw.jpg
    A big pistol without stock

  • tomaso

    Great price…great purpose..simplistic interface with base pistol….but how much more would of it cost to take a little time and make it more calming to the eye…im not a fan of the SBR design eather…i prefer the HERA design…just not the price.(even so id save for the HERA befor spending cash on this one) BUt its a great platform for those that love TACTICOOL add ons.

  • Bob Z Moose

    I could see a bit of use for this. It would make mounting a scope for handgun hunting much easier. I’ve been looking for a scope mount for a Glock 20, but they all seem to be made for compact red dot sights. It also eliminates the need to find a holster for a scoped handgun (haven’t seen too many that are specific to autos lately).

    Other than that, it’s just more tacticool nonsense.

  • Laenhart

    Could someone please explain why this would not constitute an AOW? I see a barrel under 16″ and an overall length of less than 26″ with a foregrip.
    On another note, why would someone want this over a standard pistol-caliber carbine that accepted glock mags? Perhaps if you could only own a limited number of weapons or only specifically legal weapons, but besides that I fail to see the point.
    Looks fun, but I think I’d rather have an MP5K or an Uzi for that.

  • gunslinger

    After reading the comments I understand. Thanks Steve. As for the bipod… I remember seeing the charger, the 10/22 pistol, is shown wit them. I am waiting for the feds to have a day with this item.

  • tomaso

    “But Mr Fed Guy…its not a foward grip…its a mono pod” hehehehe

    Thumbs up subase on the range marker..lol

  • tomaso

    My mono pod comment reminded me….that im the guy in the face book section “Thomas” with the PSL on my own “mono pod”…its a great way to get everyone on the firing line to stop and look..lol

  • skslover

    how about that vert-grip that turns into a bipod? loophole anybody? i’m a 1911 fanboy myself, but if i needed a holdout gun or felt like a ninja that day, i might choose a glock….

  • Oswald Bastable

    Lego for combat Tupperware!

  • http://thecluemeter.blogspot.com/ Drang

    Is this what Jeff Cooper (pbuh) was always talking about, “Rooney Guns”?

  • subase

    @ Chucky – Yeah the sling as dodgy stock. But surely there must be a less cumbersome and lighter way of attaching a sling to a Glock pistol? This is a serious question.

    Also how can a sling on a pistol be overkill? A pistol is seriously underpowered, getting a slide mounted red dot on it should be a minimum and having the option of a sling on it to use as a stock of sorts would be better than nothing. A lanyard is used on pistols because it’s a secondary weapon, not a primary weapon, which has it’s own sling. When used as primary weapons, Uzi pistols and MP5K’s have slings on them, don’t see why a Glock shouldn’t.

    Another few advantages.

    – Side cocking handle, increases speed and reliability of reloads.
    – Makes a pistol long enough for it to gripped at the front.
    – Sling with tension can serve as a stock of sorts. Also leaves both hands free to do stuff.
    – Slide being pushed back and the pistol not firing is not a problem
    – More accessory friendly.
    – Folded bipod can be used vertical front grip

    Its real problem is that it’s not credible as a carry pistol, it can’t be easily holstered or concealed. Also does anyone believe that compensator works cause it looks a little too far from the barrel.

  • JT

    Thanks for the reply ^_^

    Come to think of it, I’ve seen some bipods that are very thin at their base. With this, they would basically be as good as forward grips. Then again, they would probably be as good as forward grips on a civilian TMP. On an MP-40 pistol you basically have a forward grip with the magazine. I wonder why more manufacturers aren’t making forward magazine-welled pistols with shoulder straps. They would be some handy guns.

  • Rifleman336

    Talking about turning the Glock into a low speed, high drag gun!! :0

  • subase

    Not talking about a permanent sling, but an attachable one. Basically you would be wearing a sling with a fastex/caribineer clip of sorts. (possibly under your clothes) When you unholster your pistol, if you have time, you can choose to snap it onto your sling. The sling wouldn’t be a replacement for a holster or even a lanyard but just an added option.

    If you don’t want or can’t safely shoot someone, or you choose to take advantage of a lull in the concentration of your opponent and go hand to hand or just simply need the instant use of both hands, then without dropping your gun on the floor, instant use of both hands becomes an option.

    Seems to me a superior option to just using a lanyard mainly for three reasons. Lanyard leaves the pistol dangling around ones feet, which means grabbing ones pistol after dropping it is not quick, even with a retractable lanyard strong enough to raise ones pistol off the ground (something I don’t think exists yet) It’s easier for an enemy to grab a pistol on a lanyard than one on a sling mounted to ones chest. And lastly a sling used as a stock would improve your shooting, which shouldn’t be dismissed given the less than 20% hit rate of cops.

  • Chucky

    @subase
    The simplest way to utilize a sling (to use as a stock) on a handgun would be to not have the sling attached to the gun at all. I’ve seen it demo’d in IDF promotional vids I think. Basically you have the sling on you and when you present your handgun, you slip the thumb of the dominant hand under the sling and sandwich it between your palm and the guns backstrap. Good for Glocks particularly because of having less things to snag on, could imagine a lot of things going wrong if used on say a 1911.

  • JT

    I wonder if any manufacturer besides some of these kit manufacturers has thought to put a loop at the beavertail so that a sling could be attached. I know that here it’s just like the typical sling attach point on any PDW, but on something like a regular pistol, you could get a two-hand grip and have that extra tension of the sling to steady the shot. Might have to be creative with the angle though so that the rear of the side wouldn’t impact the sling itself

  • Airrider

    …eh, I dunno about this, to be honest. If I want a carbine kit I’ll just buy a carbine kit. If I want a subgun I’ll buy a subgun. This just kinda comes off as an…MP6-1/2 to me, really.

  • subase

    I’ve read that the earliest versions of the 1911 in WWI had a lanyard which was taught to be used as a sling. Some guy said it was due to it being seen as a cavalry weapon and thus meant to be fired with one hand. A practice nowadays without a horse, is the norm.

    The IDF method is fine but has several disadvantages. No instant free hands ability, holstering would appear to be made more difficult, and ones handgrip on the pistol would be weakened. All faults exacerbated in combat which on second thought makes it sound rather useless.

    I don’t think having a pistol on a sling would look too silly either. A holstered pistol is a neutered pistol and may embolden ones enemy. A pistol on ones stomach though, would be a reminder of lethal force. The only problem is the pistol bouncing and swinging around when moving.

    There’s this thing called a ‘Magloc Recoil Control Thumb Rest ‘. Doesn’t look difficult at all to get a sling attachment point on a pistol.

    I wonder how a sling on ones pistol would effect point shooting ability.

  • db42

    There’s a big benefit in having a second contact point. I’ve been teaching my mom to shoot and she has a really hard time with my glock, and her biggest problem is stabilization. Having a larger (bot not much heavier) weapon with a second connection point would help her alot.

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