Safariland Adds Wolf Gray Holster Options

@Suppressed I understand why people would build a P80, why people would only ever buy ammo with cash, etc etc. I'm a little confused about why you'd see an advantage to building a P80 if you already own other firearms, especially pistols, that you bought from a gun store, and thus which are already being tracked in a database. Apart from the fun of having 'made a gun' yourself?

@Steve Wiley For the same reasons we build ARs instead of buying them.

I knew I was gonna change out most of the parts on a Glock anyway, so I wanted to build it from the ground up and have it exactly the way I wanted instead of buying a Glock and modding it until I had it plus another 85% of a Glock in boxes and baggies lying around my house. Plus it was great way to really understand every aspect of how they work.

@Suppressed Seems like G19 holster compatibility should have been P80s problem to solve to begin with? Gimme an Archon holster before giving P80 owners a hair dryer alternative

@Suppressed There are MANY custom kydex holster companies out there that will make a holster for whatever gun you want (and most for less than $247). Check out concealment solutions. No affiliation, just had good experiences with them.

@Joe Yeah, everything you said is correct. I’m just not crazy about kydex holsters though, and although I’m not thrilled about it, I really like Safariland’s features and styles. My main complaint about them is a lack of models. It’s not just limited to a model for the P80, they should make a RDS model for the VP9 (and the longslide) and G20*. Although their profitability argument would undoubtedly hold more water there. I have some other minor complaints but I guess I’ve accepted those as trade offs. Xerxes did tip me to a company that will modify them to fit the P80s, so that’s likely what I’ll do when I give up hope of them making one.

@Aono Yeah, it would have been nice if it would have been addressed in design, but it wasn’t. I can’t remember exactly what the major difference is that causes the issue, but it *might* be the trigger guard.

@Suppressed Ghostmen?

@Aono Yezzir.

@Steve Wiley For many, the P80 is like a Glock version of a P320 grip module.

P80’s have more of a 1911 grip angle, rougher stippling, a double undercut trigger guard, support thumb shelf, and more room in the trigger guard for a gloved hand. These are each things that Glock owners often pay extra for someone to carve into their OEM frame.

In fact, many Gucci Glock clone companies (like Grey Ghost Precision) actually use P80’s frames. They just do their own cosmetic work on it.

I’m surprised that Glock hasn’t copied this business model with serialized frames from a “Glock Custom shop.” Until they do, I think more companies like Shadow Systems and PSA will eat their lunch.

@Suppressed My main complaint about Safariland is their confusing model number lineup and their sometimes terrible holster finder, although I think they may have finally fixed it.

@Andrew The holster finder has been working better for me during the past year.

@Suppressed As far as Staccato pistols and Safariland holsters go, I wouldn't be surprised if Staccato committed to buy X number of Safariland holsters. That way they could go shopping package deals around to police departments. A lack of Safariland holsters would probably doom LE sales for Staccato pistols.

@Suppressed Man, Glock won't even bother making the G20/21 in MOS form, let alone doing Gen 5 updates.

@Beju Same. It used to be horrible. I couldn’t get it to return usable results for anything, with “no holsters found matching your criteria” for very common gun/light/optic combos that I absolutely knew they made holsters for. I sent them an email that they did not reply to, but they appear to have fixed it, maybe. I get usable results for G19s, at least.

@Beju Why would LE use a meme no name brand like staccato?

More likely to use tanfoglio or a Hammerli.

@Steve Wiley Because that keeps you off the radar when buying gun stuff? Snd if mass confiscation ever happens ypu just surrender what is owned on paper.

@iksnilol Unless you
1) Bought your P80 kit in a way that won't show up easily in credit card and company sales records
2) Haven't bought any other guns or ammunition from any store which keeps electronic records, or anything else from a gun store, in a way that's linked to your credit card

you're on the radar.

If you have a direct tie to having bought a P80 kit, then it's no more 'deniable' than having bought any old gun from a store- you can always claim you sold it in a Walmart parking lot anyway, hopefully without tripping yourself up over state laws.

@Steve Wiley Cash isn't a thing anymore?

@iksnilol What % of P80 buyers do you think buy with cash? What % of those haven't bought other gun items with a credit card?

@Steve Wiley That's why you have the legal guns. To divert the paper trail to them. I literally explained this in detail in my first comment!

@iksnilol Someone with average to large hands probably shoots a Staccato better than a typical Glock, and they seem pretty reliable these days. A lot of small to medium sized US departments either don't issue weapons, or allow officers to use a different weapon than what is issued so long as certain specs are met (brand/model/caliber/barrel length).

Staccato brags about being approved by over 250 police agencies, but that isn't all that many in a country with almost 18,000 agencies. Then there's the difference between who's issued them (very, very few, most likely, and then likely only to certain teams/units), and who allows officers to buy them with their own money.

@Beju Yeah, but what is a staccato? Like I said, it's a no name competition brand.

Pr0bably fine gun, but with no pedigree or NATO approval I'd rather not pay to risk my life.

@iksnilol then you can just buy a bunch more hipoints. ludicrous

@Beju If one were to live in a town that is purchasing Staccatos for their PD, they should be burning down city hall.

@Suppressed I'm sure that there's some handful of agencies buying them, but the only one where it sounded like the agency did was for US Marshalls SOG. Staccato name drops LAPD Metro and Texas Rangers, but those deals sounded like how LAPD Metro officers have been able to buy personal 1911s for decades.

@Beju I have absolutely no problem with officers being able to supply themselves with them, but if my money was buying my town’s PD $2k-$3k+ 1911s, my blood pressure would go up a tick or two.

@Suppressed Same here. I wonder if Staccato not name dropping any municipal agencies as having issued them is because none have, or to keep them from getting flack.