MHS M17 ALREADY Fixed P320 Drop Failure Issue; “Voluntary Upgrade” Pistols Will Receive MHS Triggers

Image source: SIG Sauer

Those who take advantage of SIG’s recently announced “voluntary upgrade” may soon be taking home a little piece of the Modular Handgun System program: The company evidently plans to introduce a new trigger design developed for the MHS program as part of the upgrades, as relayed in a recent article published by Eric Graves over at Soldier Systems Daily:

While the MHS passed DoD’s TOP 3-2-045 test with the trigger currently in the commercial P320, SIG proposed an enhanced trigger via Engineering Change Request E0005. As it didn’t result in additional cost to the government and only improved the firearm’s performance, M17s currently being delivered to the US Army have this trigger. Additionally, this trigger also eliminates the “double click” felt during P320 trigger pull.

Although SIG was already working toward introducing the MHS-inspired Enhanced Trigger to the P320, this -30deg drop issue has hastened their effort. They have lightened the Trigger, Striker and Sear by about 30% overall and added a Disconnect (commercial only, not MHS). The trigger pull weight is unaffected, but rather the trigger part actually weighs less. The reason they lightened those parts is to mitigate the momentum gained by the heavier parts during a drop.

Taylor laid it out, “There is a vulnerability with the P320 at the -30deg drop.” They plan to incorporate the trigger enhancements for the M17 into the P320. They’d been working on them, but implementation wasn’t imminent. Based on what they’ve found, that has been accelerated. Details on their voluntary upgrade program will follow soon.

I recommend our readers click through to read the whole thing. It’s quite interesting.

The “voluntary upgrade” comes in the wake of the discovery of a malfunction with the P320 handgun, where the weapon can fire when dropped at certain attitudes. As far as is known, this malfunction is due to the inertia of the trigger carrying it to the rear under an impact. This malfunction is usually prevented in striker-fired handguns via the inclusion of a so-called “dingus” on the trigger, which prevents trigger movement until the lightweight dingus is depressed, unlocking the trigger. There is also evidence that this malfunction can occur without movement of the trigger somehow, as demonstrated in a test by TFB’s Patrick R. In this test, the pistol fires when struck by a hammer, without significant trigger movement. It remains to be seen whether SIG’s fix using the MHS trigger pack will completely solve the issue or not.



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He is also the author of the original web serial Heartblood, which is being updated and edited regularly. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Josh Sled

    “There is also evidence that this malfunction can occur without movement of the trigger somehow, as demonstrated in a test by TFB’s Patrick R. In this test, the pistol fires when struck by a hammer, without significant trigger movement. It remains to be seen whether SIG’s fix using the MHS trigger pack will completely solve the issue or not.”

    This is the same issue, just from a different inertial reference frame. Inertia works both ways: objects at rest (and hit by a hammer) tend to stay at rest, objects in motion (dropped and arrested by the ground) tend to stay in motion.

    • Angus Alba

      Patrick’s test was so uncontrolled and not recorded by a high speed camera so you can’t make any call either way on the trigger.

      Patrick was like a dog at a bone and making some pretty farfetched claims and accusations.

      Have a look at what is at Soldier Systems and what testing Sig did before continuing to post this sort of thing.

      • Noishkel

        Honestly, the kind of stupidly from Patrick is why TFB stays on the bottom tier of my favorite gun related websites. If all the possible ways to demonstrate this problem… yeah let’s just hit it with a hammer.

        There’s running an organization on a shoe string budget, and they there’s just hiring every moron you can find. And as much as I try to give people the benefit of the doubt at some point you gotta call a spade a spade.

        • Angus Alba

          there are serious questions to be asked about Patrick’s postings on this whole thing, posting before he has all the details (the whole DPD thing was a mess) and his leaps in logic and claims about the M17 and flat out accusing Sig of some sort of conspiracy to hide this.

          Several times he had made claims he had insider info but doesn’t publish that data (“i know something you don’t”) and calls speculation his “opinion” to cover what in the case of the M17 having this being pure BS. Nail on the head was his trigger claims – “it didn’t move” – as if the setup he was using had a chance of doing that.

          its a pity because TFB used to have some journalist integrity that seems to have gone out the window.

          • AZgunner

            His posts in general are of pretty low quality. I like a lot of articles here, but not his and not their videos.

          • Ebby123

            Likewise. He drags the integrity of the blog down significantly.
            They’d be better off letting more mature /cooler headed individuals do the writing.

      • Ebby123

        Yeah that was some National-Enquirer level attention-wh*ring.

    • Seth Hill

      If you watch OOs video that includes slow motion portions, the trigger moves a little bit when the gun strikes the ground, but it doesn’t look like it would be enough travel to cause the gun to fire unless the gun had very little take up and a hair trigger.

      • Reedin

        My understanding of the issue is that the trigger only moves enough to move the firing pin out of the way, and the actual impact of hitting the ground is what knocks the striker loose of the sear.

        • Ebby123

          Seems like a valid theory. On 1911s the series 80 firing pin block is disengaged by the first few millimeters of trigger travel. Everything after that occurs with the firing pin block in the “unblocked” position.

          I imagine most guns operate similarly. Otherwise you risk the hammer/striker falling before the firing pin is unlocked.

  • Herbie

    All the Glock-gays are coming out of the woodwork.

    • plumber576

      Don’t you mean coming out of the closet?

      • Mystick

        That IS the best place to keep them. Between the old shoes and a the bowling ball that hasn’t been used in 20 years.

        • Major Tom

          Hey now that’s not fair to the bowling ball.

      • HighSchoolAllOverAgainAhahahah

        Your mom came out of the closet.

    • m-dasher

      hahaha look at all the POd Sig fanboys moaning now that their pistol sucks, hahahaha

      • Noishkel

        Yes, please ignore all the times a Glock has explode due to the still unresolved unsupported case mouth issue.

        But remember… ‘Perfection’ just means ‘I have enough money to spend on a gun that needs $150 plus dollars of upgrades right out of the box’

        • Angus Alba

          haha – google search “glock kaboom” and you get 81,000 hits…..and not just a few of the are unique cases of failure and a hell of a lot of them are factory ammo so you can’t blame reloads

          yeah but that’s somehow nothing to see here

  • G B

    Weird, a gun manufacturer’s product has a problem and the manufacturer acknowledges the problem and offers solutions.

    And I was beginning to think that manufacturers were all just content to keep believing that their products were perfect.

    • Mystick

      Only if it says “Austria” on the side… :p

    • Risky

      They’ve only acknowledged it after half a dozen videos showing the problem. They obviously knew enough about the problem to already have a fix in place on the MHS. Prior to the Omaha Outfitters video there stance was ‘nothing here, move along’.

      • john huscio

        Sig was baghdad bobbing.

    • Berryamendmentandcream

      Hahaha for real? Sig literally and completely lies in official statements until incontrovertible video evidence as well as a literal injury on a LEO surfaces before they even begin to acknowledge an issue and you laud them for it? Companies are lucky to have such loyal bootlickers!

      “All SIG SAUER pistols incorporate effective mechanical safeties to ensure they only fire when the trigger is pressed.”

      Not really apparently since they are now saying the literal opposite! These guys suck. Big time. Do not trust this $200 pistol being sold for $650? Sig must be so proud of itself for hoodwinking an entire country. So many people instantaneously adopted the P320 it was laughable. Welcome to 2017, where the next generation of businesspeople (mine) take your beloved brands into a dark alley and have their way with them because our resumes are the most important things in our lives.

      • Ebby123

        WAAAAAAA!!! I’M ENTITLED TO HAVE YOUR PRIVATE COMPANY RUN THE WAY I THINK IS RIGHT!!! ANYTHING ELSE MEANS YOU’RE EVIL AND CORRUUUUUPT!!

        This whole witch-burning-of-the-week is reaching some Alex Jones level detachment from reality.

        Significant issue that needs addressing? Sure.

        Safety hazard? Statistically not really, but its more risk than today’s consumers are comfortable with, so Sure.

        Grand Conspiracy of the Evil Cohen tribe to defraud the gun community and destroy America? Seriously? GTFO with that tinfoil nonsense.

    • Independent George

      No, what you are describing is Ruger issuing an immediate recall on the Mark IV because of an issue that requires three separate steps to replicate, and still has a visible indicator (safety not entirely covered) of the failure.

      Based on what we know now, it appears that SIG has known about the defect long enough to have corrected them in their MHS submission, but did not do the responsible thing and inform the public.

      Heck, they could have spun it easily – “In the process of developing the MHS for the Army, we identified a potential safety issue in our 320 pistols. It only occurs under extraordinary pistols, but we’re going to offer a free upgrade to all of our customers, and even toss in a spare mag, because that’s how awesome we are.”.

      But instead, they waited until the news became public. In other words, they didn’t care that the pistol is defective – only that they got caught.

      • JohnnyCuredents

        No, he may be talking about the Walther CCP, a pistol plagued with many problems and even more returns for repair (ask any gun store). My own went back to Arkansas 3 times for repair and, after that, underwent a “general recall” for unexplained reasons. It still provides me with a healthy diet of stovepipes, failures to eject and/or chamber, etc. But has Walther stepped up to the plate and openly admitted there are fundamental problems with the CCP? Not at all. They have preferred the course of action alluded to by GB, viz. they are ” just content to keep believing that their products [are] perfect.” And most gun magazines and websites cooperate with this lying by silence tactic. You won’t find the slightest mention among them of the once ballyhooed CCP any longer.

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        ^THIS!

    • Bill

      But it’s much more fun to get all outraged and miffed and screamy and yell about cover-ups and conspiracies.

    • Noishkel

      No, you’re looking for Glock shills. Which is why they ever never bothered to fix either the problem with them exploding nor have they ever bothered to fix the god aweful factory trigger on them. After all, why actually make sure you’re plastic ‘perfection’ actually has been through a few improvements.

  • Joel

    What’s the difference in fail point between the old system and the new one? Has Sig asked themselves this question and answered it? If not, why not?

  • Risky

    Someone needs to put the brakes on this MHS program real hard right now, slow down, and put these SIGs through some independent testing. This is like the whole UCP/ACU camouflage uniform all over again.

    Let’s do some testing and solicit designs, but kill the competition early… now let’s scrap the whole competition and just pick one that (we think) looks the coolest. Let’s discover how ineffective it is in one of the two wars we’re fighting and have to select a commercial replacement. Let’s discover the commercial replacement is so much better so we have no choice but to adopt it across the Army. Oh, and to the tune of BILLIONS wasted.

    I’m willing to bet that the SIG is going to prove to be a disaster, that ‘fixing’ one thing will cause two more problems, and by the time they have everything ‘fixed’ it’s going to be such a jumbled mess the Army will have to ditch it and just pick off the shelf Glocks MOS’s.

    • Phillip Cooper

      I’ll take that bet.

      • Risky

        Steak dinner!

        • Phillip Cooper

          – and a bottle of Elijah Craig!

        • Phillip Cooper

          .. and a bottle of Elijah Craig!

    • john huscio

      Big army leadership has the collective IQ of a walnut. Why do you think their going back to 7.62×51?

    • Independent George

      From what I can tell, there is no problem in the gun submitted to the MHS trials (though who knows what may come up later).

      That makes it worse, though, because it indicates that Sig was aware of the problem, and fixed it in the M17 trial gun, but didn’t bother fixing it their commercial guns or issuing a recall for the guns already sold.

  • Brett baker

    As James Tarr,(a GLOCK fan) has observe,GLOCK has never had a recall, but it has had “strongly recommended free factory upgrades.”

  • Turd Sterling

    SIG junk

  • Oregon213

    What a mess.

    • Full Name

      Yep. They’ve screwed themselves.

  • Cory Carlson

    The butt hurt is strong in these p320s.

    • Gary Kirk

      Only when you drop it and it shoots you in the ass..

  • Major Tom

    Ya know at least it’s not Glock leg.

    • Phillip Cooper

      That can happen with any weapon if you’re dumb enough to try to catch it after dropping it from a holsterless waistband..

      • Dougscamo

        Or pull it from the holster with your finger on the trigger….

      • int19h

        Unless it has a manual safety, that is.

        • Phillip Cooper

          Depends:
          1- is the safety on? Are you SURE?
          2- If you’re sure, are you more sure than you were 0.0002 seconds ago that the weapon wasn’t going to fall?
          3- BANG!

          • int19h

            Is there a chance that the safety might be off? Sure.

            Is that chance high? I would dare say it’s less than 50%, at the very least.

            Which means that now you shoot yourself in the leg every other time you’re dumb enough to try to catch your gun after dropping it, instead of every time.

            Pretty good deal, if you ask me.

    • m-dasher

      at least glocks only fire when you pull the trigger…

  • john huscio

    Is there a product sigs come out with since 2004 that hasn’t ended up as a complete abortion, been discontinued after several “upgrades” or “fixes”, or covered in retarded color schemes?

    • Ebby123

      All of them…? Is that a serious statement or are you just trolling?
      Or maybe you need to look up what the words “Abortion” and “Discontinued” mean.

      • john huscio

        Just looking for confirmation of a strong suspicion.

        • Ebby123

          You could call it that… or you could call it ‘using unsubstantiated gossip to gain attention’.

  • DwnRange

    No need for this upgrade here, IMHO, as I’ll just stick with the original plastic fantastic firearm Glock. I have owned the original 17 since 1986, with over 10K rounds thru it, along with 7 others and over that time span they have been dropped numerous times accidentally from bags and mishandling by others using them for CHL classes with nary a ND one.

    Why buy a copy when the original, ugly as it has always been, always goes bang when it’s supposed to and never when it’s not mishandled due to operator error, or as I like to say suffering from a “loose nut between the seat and the steering wheel”.

    I wish Sig all the best, but I’ve no need or desire to replace my original striker fired pistols or my 1911s with one.

    • Angus Alba

      yeah not so fast there – Glock has had it’s fare share of oopps as well

      Your Glock blinders are showing.

      • I shipped my pants!

        an “oops” like the wrong ejector profile still doesn’t make the gun go off when you drop it. As far as I can tell, Glock never had an “oops” that big and unsafe.

        • Brick

          I *guess* that a case can be made regarding all of the “desk pops” that have happened during disassembly of a Glock or other striker pistol that requires pulling the trigger.

          Yes, it’s stupidity and carelessness. No argument there. But to my knowledge the 320 does not require you to pull the trigger so the issue is completely avoided.

          Carelessness causes bullets to go where they are not supposed to in both cases: when you don’t check your chamber upon disassembly or if you drop your firearm.

          • Independent George

            “I’ll try to make it real clear. We honor the flag, and you crap on it when you don’t shoot your gun in the office.”

        • Angus Alba

          actually Glock did have a LEO driven recall (or upgrade as Glock called their recalls) because of exactly that problem.

          there has been at least 7 “recalls” for Glocks

      • DwnRange

        I don’t own any Gen 4 Glocks as all mine are 1, 2s or 3s (17, 19, 21s, 22, 26, 30) save a G42 and G43 (are they Gen 4s?) and have had zero issues with any of them, save a G26 that came outta the box with an improperly installed slide lock (spring was hair-lipped abit due to improper factory assembly). Noticed immediately upon firing, as it fired one round and locked back – and did this repeatedly for several rounds – I took it apart, saw the issue, removed it tweaked the spring abit, by hand, re-installed it and bingo it went back to running as Glocks are supposed to outta the box, (it took less time to correct than to type this……)

        I did forget, above, the mod of Mepro-light NS which one will find on all my Glocks (sets are always bought with a new one (old gens mostly) and some are on their 3rd set, much like the 3.5# triggers or Galloway’s on the 42-43).

        I have no need to upgrade the old gens other than the basic mods noted, as the older ones suit me fine. Next to my old and new 1911s in various calibers they are among my most trusted pistols – next to the old Combat Masters carried for more than 30 years the 19 & 26 are the ones I carry most often nowdays simply because they are safe, reliable and hit what I aim it.

      • Tim

        Anyone remember IMPD’s issues with M series earlier this year?

    • Bill

      Uh, hate to break it to you, but the Gen 1 GLOCKs went through a “product improvement” recall in the late 80’s due to some issues.

      • DwnRange

        Yep, to replace the weak slide lock spring – which I actually like and have not changed, because I like the fact that on speed reloads my old 17 does not require any slide manipulation – just slam the fresh mag home and she’s ready to go again……. (something that normally precludes it’s use nowdays at CHL classes as they consider it a detriment, but I don’t)

        Other than that this old pistol has never ever malfunctioned or skipped a beat in my hands and the only mods ever made to it was a 3.5# trigger when they first came out and a recent grip force adapter which I put on on all my Glocks to correct “angle” issues.

  • Nicks87

    As originally planned, fixed or not, I will still be carrying a Glock. The last thing I want to think about while carrying concealed in public is “what if I drop it or it falls out?”. I carry almost everyday, I cant have a pistol that may or may not be drop safe. Sig says they fixed it, I wont take the chance they didnt.

    • Angus Alba

      seriously? conspiracy theories much?

  • Dylan Reen

    sig got way to big way to fast.and quality control went out the window.
    they know that there was a problem, and they had a fix for the problem, and the ceo went public last week to say the guns will never go off unless you pull the trigger. that statement now seems like blatant lie and a legal issue should result.
    i have 3 older sig’s, Ive trusted my life to their name.
    this makes me sick.
    i will never buy another sig gun,bullet, part, or optic …..

    • Ebby123

      You are aware that the trigger is being pulled on all of the tested guns that went off, right?

      Granted, its being pulled by inertia and not your finger, but the statement is still true.

  • int19h

    I’ve got to say, until now, I didn’t have much first hand experience with that whole “SIG fanboi” phenomenon. As in, I’ve heard that it exists from other people, in theory – but if it did, it was somewhere else.

    Looking at all the “nothing to see here, move along” comments on these stories has been rather enlightening.

    (Before you bring that up – no, I don’t care for Glocks, either.)

    • John

      WAIT JUST A MINUTE!

      You’re NOT a Sig fanboy….AND you’re not a Glock fanboy BUT you are on TFB’s comment section?!?!?

      Is that you Vladimir?

      • int19h

        No, but I am a classic CZ fanboy.

  • RAPTOR RODRIGO
    • Ebby123

      Cherry-picked slide is cherry-picked.
      This is the type of selectively-edited games I expect from Katie Kouric, not the gun community.

      • RAPTOR RODRIGO
        • Ebby123

          Aaand?

          • RAPTOR RODRIGO
          • Ebby123

            I’ve never won anything before…. *sniff*

          • RAPTOR RODRIGO AMIGO

            Hardly spam if it’s a know issue by the company. Brought up in their own presentation. Giving plausible reasoning that the design is unsafe, the MHS testing not being completed raises issues of corruption and illegitimacy to the whole win. Just to name some random thoughts about the matter.

          • Ebby123

            1 – your posts up to this point are mostly gibberish. Try harder if you want to be taken seriously.
            2 – You are sharing altered photos from a presentation Sig gave yesterday – in response to the videos created by TTAG and others. How them agreeing that there is an issue equates (in your mind) to corruption is a quantum leap of tinfoil-hatted foolery.
            3 – The issue present in the commercial 320 is NOT present in the military M17 that won the MHS.

            So I ask again – do you have a point, or are you just spamming?

          • RAPTOR RODRIGO AMIGO

            I enjoy humor. You seem to have a vested interest in keeping the Sig name unblemished. You also chose to respond to the photo with a very emotional response. If you would like to prove the M17 does not have the same problems the commercial 320 does. Then that would be fantastic, seeing you are a SME one the entire thing.

        • John

          Minimal incidents?!?!? That’s like having a minimal number of tumors.

          • I guess you missed the next line where they use the SAME language to describe the frequency for ALL users.

            FOUR known incidents “in the wild”, for the 320, out of 500,000 pistols sold. ALL of the four incidents happening fairly recently.

          • John

            Steadily repeatable unintentional discharges being reported all over. Sorry but the cat’s out of the bag.

            Oh and BTW, I am a definite Sig fanboy, but I wouldn’t put up with this kind of crap from any company, especially Sig since the are NOT bargain basement guns.

      • It’s not just cherry picked — it has been deceptively edited to add text not there in the original image, but carefully inserted so that it appears to have been in the original.

    • Ebby123
  • Seth Hill

    And the SIG hate continues. Funny how they ignore that the guns PASSED US safety standards AND military tests. MAYBE people need to stop hating/bashing a brand and start demanding changes in the flawed US safety standards and testing methodology?

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      I’d actually take this situation as an indictment of the US drop safety testing. If it passed the drop test, but still repeatably fires when dropped at a dangerous angle from eye level, then the drop test is insufficient.

  • feetpiece _

    A “holster pop” from a pistol with no performance record is not an upgrade to the M9/M11.

    • Ebby123

      yeah… that’s not what happened. Not even close.

      • feetpiece _

        Then go get JMPI’d with one in your kit, jump in high wind at night and report back. Because it has to survive that, without fail every time.

        This is bigger than mallninjas being butthurt over their wonderpistol failing physics.

        • Ebby123

          yeah that… still has absolutely nothing to do with what we’re discussing here.

          • feetpiece _

            The company supplying sidearms to the DoD willfully sold defective firearms to the general public. Then lied about it.

            That has serious trust implications for those who don’t get a choice in the matter and is relevent to the discussion.

          • Ebby123

            Yeah that’s STILL not even close to what happened here.

            Conspiracy Theories = Speculation
            Conspiracy Theories =/= Facts

            Drop the tinfoil, and step away from the keyboard.

  • aweds1

    Without trying to induce a drop-fire incident, is there a way to tell if a P320 has the M17 trigger or not? Like a part number reference or identifying stamp on the new part?

    • Reedin

      Not yet, no. They haven’t started rolling it out. Production of the P320 has ceased and when it resumes, they’ll all have the new trigger.

      • aweds1

        Then I guess I’m sending my current P320 in for the ‘voluntary upgrade’…

  • hacedeca

    I wonder, how this will end. America wanted to buy a 200-Dollar-handgun… and it bought one! America hoped for a good deal, hoped for a 800-Dollar-pistol with a 600 Dollar discount?… – Well, the hope never dies, but capitalism is no childrens-birthday-party!

    The testing of the handguns in the competition was prematurely stopped – not Sig’s fault!

    • Kim Jong kaboom

      They could have bought M&P Shields for about $220. Hate to be the guy tasked with filling out a million rebate forms.

    • Independent George

      The problem is not in the M17, which apparently is drop-safe. The problem is that they addressed it in the M17 but neglected to tell any of the thousands of people who already own a defective 320 (probably to improve the chances that they got the M17 contract).

  • Dan

    I’ve been hitting my SIG P210 all morning with a ball peen hammer and can’t replicate this failure. Does that mean I am good to go?

    • feetpiece _

      Smite thy self for suggesting such a thing!

    • Arie Heath

      Oh good god, I hope you are joking.

  • Raven

    Okay, okay. So correct me if I’m wrong here, but did Sig not just open themselves up to…anything from massive lawsuits to criminal charges here? Releasing a product that’s not drop safe is one thing, but admitting you found the problem in testing and made no attempt to fix it, that’s a whole new level of negligence.

    • Kim Jong kaboom

      IANAL but it sure looks like this is a hamfisted effort to avoid (an inevitable) complete recall.

      Maybe Ron Cohen is buying time to dump stock (or whatever his investment vehicle is) and move on to the next company. Harbor Freight would be a good fit.

      Having worked in design as Engineer and later Manager (different fields) I am intimately familiar with bean counter bosses pushing bad designs out before fully tested. The buyout bosses are the worst: asset strippers that milk the good name of companies they acquire with cheap products, flipping the company and flying the coop before it all crashes, leaving a trail of wrecked companies, lost jobs and devastated communities. Not saying that’s what’s happening here, but there are signs. Maybe he’s angling to sell Sig to Remington…

  • tsh77769

    This is giving me flashbacks of the SIG 556 quality control failures with crooked rails, missing iron sights, and generally not working (556R). Screw SIG USA. The only SIG I’d ever consider is an old pistol like a 226 or a 232 made in Europe.

    I have actually taught my wife that if you drop a gun, let it fall, do not try to catch it because the chance of it going off by falling is far less than the chance of you catching it wrongly and discharging it.

    So, no SIG 320 will ever be in this house.

  • John

    “They’d been working on them, but implementation wasn’t imminent.”

    Translation: We tried to get away with it, but somebody caught us!

    • Independent George

      Or, “We need to keep this quiet until we the MHS contract is inked.”

    • Ebby123

      …or it could be exactly what they said, instead of the elaborate conspiracy theory you’ve constructed.
      As a reminder, speculation =/= fact.

  • John

    Yes but can you prove it landed at exactly a 30 degree angle? I don’t think so.

    Alright you Glock lovers, you need to start hitting your Glocks with a hammer over and over at a 30 degree angle between the slide and frame (oh heck, just hit them anywhere, I don’t care) and prove to the world that they are safe!

    I await the flood of NEW Glock videos.

    • Nicks87

      Why would I hit a perfectly good firearm with a hammer. I’m pretty sure Glocks are drop safe, I’ve seen more than a few hit the ground and not go off. Plus the way they are designed makes it pretty difficult.

      • John

        If you hit a Glock with a hammer hard enough, it makes a bunch of little Glocks.

  • Renato H M de Oliveira

    So it only took them a seriously injured customer and a lot of videos to admit to a problem that they already knew about.
    It would’ve been much better (and cheaper!) if they had just recalled the handguns as soon as they discovered the flaw.

  • Ebby123

    Lighten up francis.

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    And today Rotten Tomatoes gave this a solid “Meh” on their scale of don’t give a shit to interesting.
    New toys come with new problems. Try something “tried and true” rather than the shiniest newest thing.

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  • Ebby123

    Tinfoil is in aisle 4

  • Kyle Reid Steck

    So they knowlingy sold unsafe 320s to civilians?

  • Brian G. Lowery

    “Voluntary upgrade” what most people would call a recall.

  • LetsTryLibertyAgain

    It takes some chutzpah for a firearms manufacturer to offer a “voluntary upgrade” for their customers who want a pistol that won’t kill them if accidentally dropped. That doesn’t sound like an optional feature to me, but what do I know? I’m just an engineer and not a manager, lawyer or marketing executive. The voluntary P320 safety upgrade would be like Ford offering a voluntary upgrade to prevent the Ford Pinto from becoming a huge fireball in a 20MPH rear impact.

    This seems like a very unethical position for Sig to take, but it also seems extremely stupid. At this rate, we’re going to start seeing sleazy lawyer ads on TV in the morning hours, but instead of asking if you’ve had any adverse reactions after taking Vioxx, they’ll be asking if you’re the victim of an accidental discharge after purchasing a Sig P320.

  • Seamus Bradley

    Curious, I thought the MHS M17/M18 production models would NOT have a thumb safety. Is this correct?

  • Richard Lutz

    The S&W M&P series are proven striker fired pistols with an optional manual safety catch and magazine safety, while Glocks have proven to be even more durable if you don’t want a safety catch or magazine safety. As for the US Army, I believe they should have adopted the Glock 19 (Gen3) as did the US Navy SEALs in 2015.