MHS Winner SIG Sauer SUED by Police Officer Shot by Dropped, Holstered P320

SIG Sauer – recent winner of the US Army’s Modular Handgun System competition – is being sued by an officer from the Stamford, Connecticut Police Department Special Response Team over an incident he claims was the result of a defect in their P320 handgun. In the suit, the officer alleges that he dropped the pistol – still in its holster – while he was loading equipment into the back of his vehicle, which caused it to discharge a bullet into his leg. From the Connecticut Law Tribune:

A Stamford police officer has sued gunmaker Sig Sauer over injuries he suffered when his holstered P320 pistol discharged and hit him in the leg after he dropped it in a parking lot.

According to the complaint filed Aug. 4 in the U.S. District Court for the District of Connecticut, officer Vincent Sheperis dropped his holstered department-issued handgun while loading equipment into the back of his car in January. The gun fired when it hit the pavement, and the bullet entered beneath his left knee and lodged to the side “with the round protruding from his leg.”

Sheperis, a 34-year-old member of the department’s Special Response Team, underwent multiple surgeries and is back on light duty, although more surgeries may be required, according to his attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell of Westport.

Sheperis is seeking at least $6 million in punitive and compensatory damages, and is demanding Sig Sauer recall the pistol or include a warning that the gun is not “drop safe” when a round is chambered.

“For it to just go off—it’s kind of horrifying, really,” Bagnell said.

The Stamford Police Department said it’s shelved all P320s it issued to its officers because of the incident.

The SIG P320 is the weapon that formed the basis for the Army’s new M17 Modular Handgun System. The pistol has recently come under scrutiny for a defect in the design which allows the trigger to move to the rear under inertia, releasing the sear and causing an accidental discharge. This defect was first identified by the Dallas Police Department, who recalled their P320 handguns until they were reassured by SIG Sauer. However, the defect was further verified in tests conducted by Omaha Outdoors, which showed that if the P320 struck the ground on or near the back of the slide, it would discharge. This incident in Connecticut is the first, and so far only, injury allegedly caused by the P320’s flaw.

Competitor Glock’s design, like most other striker-fired handgun manufacturers, has from the beginning incorporated a trigger safety which prevents this malfunction. Glock finished second in the MHS contract, and unsuccessfully protested the Army’s decision to adopt the SIG.



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He is also the author of the original web serial Heartblood, which is being updated and edited regularly. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • rychastings

    I suspect theres more to the story.

    • Palmier

      What more do you suspect? Seems a pretty complete narrative on its own. Man drops gun, gun shoots man, man sues gun.

      • Richie F

        …bullet inherits the earth

      • rychastings

        man be idiot, shoot himself by accident, blame sig sauer

  • st381183

    …and the hemorraging gets worse

  • Giolli Joker

    “party’s at glock tonight”

    ROTFL

  • Petto

    INB4 Sig calls for a RECALL

  • feetpiece _

    Meh, at least SOCOM won’t shoot themselves jumping in.

  • Edeco

    Aw man, juicy. *munching popcorn*

    • Dougscamo

      Near as I can figure, with ALL that has come to light, you are well into your second case of popcorn….

      • Edeco

        Well, I wasn’t that interested in the MHS competition. The way such decisions are made, I have to be apathetic about it to avoid frustration.

        Sig having a major embarassment after a major success though, yikes.

  • Ninoslav Trifunovic

    That’s what I call “Special Response Team”!

  • Tyler McCommon

    *It sure is nice not owning any Glocks or Sig…..* *Sits in corner looking at my CZ’s*

    • int19h

      While the striker fanbois debate whether Glock foot or SIG knee is worse, DA/SA guns keep working without incidents. ~

      /ducks

    • DropGun25

      …and 1911’s

      *sits back and waits for the fireworks*

      • Anonymoose

        Series 70s and revolvers with the firing pin on the hammer sure are great…at least they feel good so long as you don’t drop them or mishandle them with a loaded chamber…

      • David Douglass

        and Springfield pistols
        .
        *basking in the success of a great safe pistol product*

      • Mikial

        The military is not ever going to go back to 1911s, 1911 fanboys just have to deal with that fact. Sorry, but reality intrudes.

    • DangerousClown

      Exactly. We have 2 CZs for each member of our household.

  • Brett baker

    Time to bring back DA revolvers.

    • Tim

      That would require actual training, it’s not in the budget.

      • Christopher Papachristou

        Too busy with transgender training…

        • Michael Gallagher

          No, they trying to figure out a way to keep transgender people from joining so they can demand that we (taxpayers) pay for the surgery, counseling, rehab, uniform modifications and job accommodation.

          Then when all is done, they can rage quit and file suit for discrimination, harassment, etc., get a medical retirement and win the law suit lottery.

          Passable retirement plan for an 18 year old if you don’t mind getting your junk cut off.

          .

          • Anonymoose

            Actually, real transgenders would be barred for being depressed. There are no real transgenders who aren’t depressed. A more likely scenario would be lazy dudes saying “I want signup bonuses, a desk job, and a GI bill, but I don’t want to have to meet physical fitness standards, so I’ll just tell the recruiter I’m a chick.”

        • Tim

          Oh, it’s a huge budgetary issue with all the worlds militaries and fighting forces. That transgender sensitivity and integration training is a top priority. I bet Russian, Iranian, North Korea and ISIS are all cutting back on their weapons procurement to fit it in. No respectable Military wants to be labeled as insensitive by today’s media.

  • int19h

    Ah, what a ripe field for conspiracy theories now. For example, suppose Glock were right when they were complaining that MHS wasn’t tested enough? But no, wait, it’s even more sinister if the Army knew all along, and rushed the completion of trials deliberately so that this issue wouldn’t come up in them. Because they already had a kickback scheme all arranged with SIG! But SIG didn’t slip that bug in by accident; oh, no. The whole thing was a Russian intelligence operation, meant to demoralize American troops for the upcoming invasion of the Baltics.

    • mig1nc

      Tom Clancy? Posting from beyond the grave?

      • int19h

        You say that, but already (like literally 3 comments above) you see people taking this angle with all seriousness.

  • venku

    Not that I would discount the possibility of this really happening, but the incident happened on January 5th, yet the complaint was filed roughly 7 months later… right after the issue was on the news.
    I would advise against rushing to conclusions on this particular case until it has gone through court.

    • venku

      Also, the complaint contains references to similar incidents, most of which are related to a Sig gun, but definitely not the P320 because it didn’t even exist during those incidents.

    • Rob

      This is typical. The complaint was filed after failure to reach a settlement. The complaint was filed the same day that Sig made a statement that now was very obviously meant to mislead consumers. People should be appalled at the disdain that the company has shown along with their disregard for the consumer after they already knew that the issue has has resulted in injury.

    • Joel

      It is actually common for complainants to get a full scope of their medical costs prior to filing the lawsuit.

    • Old Tofu

      surgeries take time

  • Black Dots

    $5 says Glock is currently lobbying everyone on the Armed Services Committee citing TFB as a source.

    • Big Daddy

      I’m sure their legal team has all the information and that’s why they filed the claim against SIG with the Army contract in the first place. They knew, SIG knew and the Army knew that’s why they ended the trials early. It makes sense now.

      • Rob

        The protest was a rather simple no brainer step for Glock. While Glock did call for Phase 2 testing to finish before an award the GAO over ruled the protest.

        This looks like it might benefit Glock to actually sue.

        • Evan

          IIRC, the tests ended early because Glock didn’t provide a pistol that met the tender.

          • Rob

            No. Read the GAO report.

            The contract was awarded after the completion of the limited phase 1 testing do to a 38% difference in price. No endurance testing, drop testing, environmental testing, or shooter in the loop accuracy testing was completed before the award.

          • Wow!

            The primary reason for Sig over Glock based on the Army’s statement was Sigs great price. As far as I know, Glock did actually try to meet the requirements.

    • Justy

      If my competitor screwed up THIS bad, you can bet I’d jump at the chance to capitalize on their mistake while the iron is hot.

      • DangerousClown

        Was that a quote from Marion Barry?

        • Justy

          Why would you think so? Sorry, I’m not well-versed in Clapistani politics.

          • DangerousClown

            If I have to explain, you won’t understand.

  • Ryan L

    I own this gun and the way this has been handled by sig has been a complete bungle. Issue a recall, pay the lawsuit, help rewrite SAAMI testing guidelines fire your PR team and somebody very high up probably needs to fall on their sword.

    • Jennye

      Or on their dropped Sig 😉

    • Bill

      I own this gun and will wait and see if there is an actual problem, or some other explanation. Particularly when it comes to lawsuits, and cops shooting themselves, It’s ALWAYS the gun’s fault, until there is proof of some other cause.

      • Giolli Joker

        Well, the guy in the Orlando airport could not cover his fault (although he may try to sue the holster manufacturer).
        In this case, if the shot trajectory appears to have started from ground level, it won’t be hard to prove that the gun shot because of the fall.

        • Bill

          I thought his was a classic case of fumbling the gun until finger found trigger.

          • clay

            ‘cept it was still in the holster…

      • clay

        There is plenty of evidence including a real test on video. It’s only a problem if you drop it the right way, but it is consistent.

    • Sigelitedark

      Ron Cohen needs to fall on his sword. This should be a mandatory recall, not a PR slip-n-slide.

  • Amanda Hernandez

    So the simple fact that the writer mentioned Glock at the ends says it all… smh
    ANY firearm with one in the chamber can go off if dropped in a specific way. Glock sure is going WAY out of their way to damage Sig. Even if proven to be a true issue, all firearms has some issue at some point. Sig will correct it and everyone will move on. (We won’t even START to discuss the amount of recalls that Glock has had.)
    Finally, it’s hard to read this article and take it seriously with all the typos. Apparently there was such a serious rush to get this article out that it wasn’t even spell checked! I’m guessing the writer’s a Glock boy.

    • Old Tofu

      how is this “Glock sure is going WAY out of their way to damage Sig” ??? do you think glock wrote the article ? maybe glock distracted the cop so he dropped the gun??

    • john huscio

      Yea, its all a conspiracy to keep sig down……not like they have ron cohen running the company (into the ground) or anything….

    • Friend of Tibet

      Oh mention Glock has a drop safety is suddenly a conspiracy huh?

      I bet Glock special agent must have entered Sig’s factory and sabotage all the P320 trigger with voodoo magic right?

      That Cop who got shot probabaly on Glock’s payroll or something like that?

    • n0truscotsman

      Oh yes, the conspiracy mongering.

      Do continue, allow me to grab the popcorn…

  • DiBs

    Is it common practice for high grade LEOs to handle loaded weapons as cargo without first clearing them? Serious question.

    • DiBs

      Nevermind, I misunderstood the story. A re-read rendered my question irrellevant.

    • Kivaari

      Yes. It is common to load completely load firearms into vehicles. Most long guns will have an empty chamber, but handguns will be ready to go. I did it all the time. Each vehicle I used had a complete set of gear ready to go.

      • Dougscamo

        Had to bring my own….but I was assigned the car until it wore out so there were a lot of advantages

  • Two Guns

    wait a minute. it says the gun was in the holster when dropped and the gun discharged. what kind of holster? maybe the holster is the problem? maybe that is why sig didn’t settle? just the facts mam just give me the facts.

    • Old Tofu

      spoken like someone not keeping up with the subject

      • Two Guns

        Nice response. Since you can’t answer my questions with facts shut the hell up. Gun was in holster gun was dropped in holster gun discharged. what kind of holster.? I have two sig p320 and dropped one while it was out of the holster in a training session and it did not discharge.

        • Cactus Air Force

          The specific drop malfunction occurs when the P320 is dropped on the rear of the slide and frame at the same time. It is unlikely that any holster would protect that area sufficiently to prevent a discharge, even with a large retention strap. The issue is that there is no mechanism preventing the trigger from traveling to the rear, so regardless of holster, with the proper angle of drop, you have the chance for momentum to pull the trigger and touch off a round.

          The reason Old Tofu did not give you the ‘facts’ is because the holster used was irrelevant, and the drop firing occurs at a specific angle. Both of these things are readily apparent if you took the time to watch the Omaha outdoors video.

  • Joel

    So, how did the P320 do in FBI’s testing?

    • Rob

      The rumor was that it failed drop testing. Looks like there may have been something to it.

  • jawman

    The fact that Glock was specifically mentioned at the end of the story really tells you something. Other guns with drop safety were also submitted for the contract, but there’s no mention of them in this article, nor any of the other articles on TFB of similar subject. But Glock is ALWAYS mentioned. Why go out of their way to specifically mention Glock? Oh, wait… XD

    • Old Tofu

      probably because it came in second to the sig , when first place falls no one looks to third or fourth to take their place. it’s called logical not conspiracy.

    • john huscio

      Alex Jones…..is that YOU?

    • Friend of Tibet

      Cuz Glock is the most popular and most famous Striker fired pistol, use logic is not that hard.

      • jawman

        Stop pretending to be smarter than you are

        • Friend of Tibet

          I think you just replied yourself.

          • jawman

            Stop trying so hard.

  • Bill Wilson

    IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN

    • Treiz

      It just keeps letting me down letting me down letting me down

      love that song

  • And just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse…

    😉

  • Big Daddy

    This is just the start. I’m sure there’s more to come.

    The Army did not test the guns enough and Glock might have a leg to stand on now. Get it….yeah a bad pun.

    The more I see coming out the more the Army contract smells fishy.

    • Rob

      Is Sig leg a thing now?

      • Dougscamo

        No, it’s “Sig foot”…

        • Rob

          The officer was struck in the knee…

          • Dougscamo

            Was referencing the ICE agent in Orlando…weak, but I tried… 🙂
            I like your Sig knee better….

          • Rob

            Got it. Makes sense. ICE is slated to get the P320 in October.

          • Kinetics

            Not an arrow though. Is Sig gonna bring this saying back?

    • Army tested the guns to all published standards and industry standards, and to all the requirements of the contract award process.

      Glock’s claim of, “They didn’t finish testing! WAH!!!” is solely over testing that was never intended to occur BEFORE contract award — because it is quality control testing on PRODUCTION guns from the contract run.

      So far as I am aware, *GLOCK* doesn’t run these types of drop tests, either. Because they ARE NOT the industry standard drop test…

      • Big Daddy

        Glock does I suggest you talk with a Glock armorer. In fact once you modify the trigger one of the things you must/really should do with a glock is to drop test it to make sure you have not stopped the safety from working. Glock has a specific system that in fact stops this type of discharge from happening. It was one of it’s selling points.

        As far as the army test….they’re all BS.

  • olivehead

    As recalls go, this could be a relatively “easy” one. You wouldn’t have to send in the whole gun, just the chassis, and SIG replaces the trigger with either a lighter one or one with a tab. Sure it’s costly and time consuming, but I’d guess not nearly as much so as with a typical handgun where you’d have to first start by detail stripping the thing just to get to the trigger.

    • Rob

      The guns are probably an easy fix. Sig’s integrity will be harder to fix.

      • olivehead

        Yeah, I can see SIG sitting at the bar with Springfield saying, “Yeah, I used to be in the firearms industry. It’s a tough gig.” (takes a drink)

  • olivehead

    BTW am I correct that the X-Five did pass the Omaha drop test? That trigger appears to be lighter (by weight) than that of the standard P320, so wouldn’t switching to a lighter metal or even a plastic trigger (they seem to be good enough for just about every other striker/polymer frame manufacturer) take care of the problem?

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    Someone definitely isnt still bitter at all about Sig having won MHS. Given the recent revelations, Im not saying Sig should have won, but dang. He just cant let go. Im not sure if this article is about a man dropping his gun or Glock not winning. Its one thing to talk about the gun that shouldnt have won here. Its something else entirely to talk about an unrelated gun that “should have.”

    • Lowe0

      Whether the editors are biased towards Glock, biased towards SIG, or just drumming up clicks, I’d consider a new, popular gun that goes off when dropped to be newsworthy on a firearms blog.

      This wouldn’t stop me from buying a P320 (were I in the market for a pistol right now), but it would if I were a police armorer.

      • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

        Im not saying the subject should not have been addressed. Im just pointing out other things that were said in the article.

    • EzGoingKev

      It is gun industry news. This is a site that reports that type of news.

  • TJ Bone

    I smell a repeat of the stuff with Beretta. Its the new normal in defense procurement. The Glock fans are going to be beating the drumbeat on this now for years just like the Sig fans were beating the drum on Beretta for years.

    Pistols are not issued to most troops. The whole modular thing is nonsense. From what I have read the .45 version of this gun is not interchangeable with the 9mm version of the gun. So the guy has a polymer shell with different grips sizes. Lots of guns have this now.

    I always read with amusement about the so-called “men” complaining about gun grips that are too big. Maybe if you didnt have manlet sized hands this would not be issue.

  • Rob

    Interesting, TFB reported that part of FN’s protest regarding the ICE contract won by Sig was that Sig failed drop tests but was allowed to advance.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      That isn’t what was reported. I said there have been rumors of the P320 failing the drop tests in a few cases. At that time I only had unofficial word that it had failed these tests, proof is finely coming to light.

  • Jeff Smith

    Didn’t Andrew state that the drop test the gun failed isn’t a part of the standardized drop safety testing protocol? If so, why not? Also, how do other firearms compare to Sig?

    This is definitely a problem, but I’d love to see how other firearms fare in the same testing.

  • Hem90

    At least with .40 glocks you have to pull the trigger before they explode I guess.

  • Martin T

    Didn’t the last article explain that sig included a warning in the manual stating that the p320 may discharge if dropped?

  • TallTalesTasteLikeSourGrapes

    I wouldn’t say Glock “finished” second in the MHS contract when they never even finished the testing.

    Greased palms and sham competitions are the norm of government procurement. It’s all about lots of $$$ and who gets it.

    • The testing they “never finished” was NEVER intended to be done before the contract was actually awarded *anyway*.

      It was quality control testing of production guns intended for the Army contract. Which cannot happen, obviously, until the contract was awarded and when production guns for that contract start being delivered…

  • MIke H

    A little perspective… the gun has been out for several years, it’s been a HUGE seller, and is currently in service a with numerous departments… and it’s just now a thing? I mean, it should absolutely be taken seriously, but this is just now becoming an issue after one negligent discharge, and several people testing to try and make it fire when dropped? Other than not dropping it while loaded at certain angles onto hard surfaces (which I wouldn’t do anyways), I don’t feel any less safe with my P320.

    • Bill

      Well said.

    • Treiz

      “and it’s just now a thing?”
      This is how it happens. A lot of people who have experienced an issue that they thought might be just a one-off suddenly learn that other people are having the same issue and all at once it becomes a big deal.

    • Just Say’n

      ^^This^^
      I mean, there’s certain to be a recall to install light-weighted triggers and/or some kind of gimmicky hammerblock to put this to bed, but dropping your pistol is abuse. And what’s not to say that the LEO behind this lawsuit’s holster contributed to the AD?

    • Friend of Tibet

      You just described the most common recall progress

    • David Douglass

      I understand your situation HOWEVER….your statement sounds like something someone would say….just before they have someone bump into their arm at the range…causing the P320 to drop unexpectedly, discharging into the head of a person down line. Point is…..’No One Sees It Coming”. No ONE.

    • Kiran Buenafe

      Of course you wouldn’t drop your gun. No one drops their gun intentionally, and if you’re only going to the range to unload on some paper you’ll probably never drop it. But in a gun fight where bullets are whizzing, adrenaline is pumping, and people are dying, dropping your gun isn’t out of the question. I’ve never dropped a gun, but I’ve never been trying to manipulate one in a gun fight either. The point is, there exists guns that don’t fire when dropped. Given that, why would I buy one that does fire when dropped? That’s like buying the car without an airbag. Sure, I’d never intentionally wreck it, but it’s not always up to me.

  • DropGun25

    Although I am a firm believer in “where there is smoke, there is some kind of fire.” Its a little too hard to believe that all this information that has recently been announced as “breaking news” is all accurate and not just people trying to take advantage of a reported evolving concern…

  • Spencerhut

    Boy the Army is looking dumber everyday for picking this gun. S&W M&P for the win?

  • Dean Fellabaum

    It is absolutely true that all the Glock fanboys are butthurt about Sig winning the MHS contract. No rational person would dispute this- they are truly up in arms and making up all sorts of BS about the trials being incomplete (they weren’t). So yes they are out trying to find every possible thing wrong with the P320, including these nonstandard drop tests.

    But this is a GOOD thing- good for the public, and good for Sig. They just uncovered an admittedly extremely rare but nonetheless real and dangerous malfunction and it deserves to be reported. Perhaps not sensationalized to the extent that the Glockistas are doing, but reported, yes, absolutely. Sig will now improve their product with either a lighter trigger or a trigger safety. Everyone wins with a better product. (The Glockistas do have a point that the Glock has been proven and improved for much longer, but that’s sort of the point- it has had a long time to shake out the bugs. That’s all this is with the Sig.)

    • Shlom Shekelsteen

      Dude, are you daft? This has nothing to do with fanboyism. The gun goes off when dropped. This is not Glock forcing it to go off, paying someone to make it go off, if you own a P320 you can test it yourself with the same results.

      This is not someone trying to find something wrong with a P320, this is people pointing out what is a terrible design flaw in the P320. It should be recalled, the issue should be fixed.

      The gun should also be retrialed. A trial that does not find on of the most obvious safety issues with a gun can not be called complete.

      • Bill

        “The gun goes off when dropped”

        Not exactly. There have been reports that individual pistols have fired when dropped, but nothing indicating a pandemic problem, Plenty of guns have the potential to fire when dropped and are well accepted, the Remington 870 and 1911 being obvious examples.

        • Treiz

          Users have conducted tests of multiple guns and found the same issue in both new and used examples. This is not an isolated problem.

          • Bill

            But none of the “tests” appear to be designed or thought out, nor put into the context of a failure rate. I have no idea of how many P320s are in the field, nor how many have fired when dropped, or the circumstances in which they fired when dropped. If it happened 3 times and there are only 30 P320s in the field, it’s not an isolated problem. If there are 30,000 or 300,000, not so much.

            It’s am interesting concept, but I have no idea of how much force or acceleration would be required to actually get a 320 trigger to move sufficiently from impact alone to actually fire the weapon.

          • Treiz

            “But none of the “tests” appear to be designed or thought out”
            What more design or thought do you need? The tests showed that the guns from various serial ranges and in various states of usage can be reliably made to malfunction dangerously in a situation that IS likely to occur in common use.

          • Bill

            Read the SSD post to see how it’s done. How often do you think people drop P320s at negative 30 degrees in “common use?”

          • Treiz

            At least one so far.

          • clay

            The live people or the dead ones? smh You only need to do it once in the right context. Then if it happens every time it’s dropped that way it’s a MAJOR issue.

          • clay

            “sig drop fire” search on youtube. There’s a bunch of well thought out and well done tests. The guns fail, and they fails consistently.

      • Dean Fellabaum

        Dude, can you read? Read my post. I said it’s a good thing that the Glock fanboys are crawling all over the P320. (And if you think that all of these people would be doing all of these NONSTANDARD tests and screaming “Re-do the trial and select Glock!!!” if Glock hadn’t lost out on MHS then I’ve got some swampland to sell you.) And yes, Sig should recall and fix their guns- I never said otherwise and at least strongly implied this. So what are you bent about?

        “Terrible design flaw” Really? Pffft. Get a grip- it’s an easy fix.

        So, yes, I’ll disagree with you: the Glock fanboys are doing the fanboy thing. They’re all kinds of butthurt, as you can see on almost any firearms forum that you peruse. But as I said, in the end that’s a good thing.

        • Josh

          This is not an easy fix. It’s become apparent based on other testings that there are at least two problems with the gun: not only can the trigger be pulled by inertia, but hard force on the back of the slide without the option for the trigger to have been pulled by inertia can ALSO discharge the gun.

    • n0truscotsman

      …Reminds me of SIG fans following the XM9 trials…

      The only thing I have seen here and elsewhere is gloating by the anti-Glock crowd, who have conveniently forgotten about the number of Glocks in service *elsewhere*.

    • DangerousClown

      It may be rare, but apparently LEO dropping their weapons is a fairly common occurrence.

  • D

    I find it funny/fishy that all these drop safety issues are coming out after the mhs contract

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  • French Balloon

    I’m pretty sure that 99% of the people reading this comment have bashed people that advocated for condition 3 carry and thumb safeties. They almost always argue that proponents of condition 3 carry and thumb safeties are ignorant of firearm design and are incompetent novices who don’t have a lot of experience with firearms. They also almost always argue that it’s literally mechanically impossible for a firearm to accidentally discharge without human interference. “Just keep your booger hooker off of the trigger! Hurrr…” And yet every year I hear about mass recalls of firearms for flawed designs. This pistol was just adopted by the U.S. military and yet it STILL isn’t even drop safe!

    Will you close-minded, group-thinking, arrogant morons finally admit that you were wrong and that condition 3 carry and manual thumb safeties aren’t as stupid as you thought? Of course not. You’ll just keep mindlessly bashing condition 3 carry and thumb safeties for decades to come…

    • Anonymoose

      Condition 3 carry is still dumb, and will always be dumb unless you’re walking around with a revolver with the firing pin on the hammer and no type of blockage device.

    • Joe

      No. You and all your friends are still wrong.

  • billjohnso20

    None of these articles state what gun was involved in the incidents. Do you have evidence that states these incidents involved any Sig model of any kind?

  • Eddie

    Makes me happy, I didn’t buy a SiG. Hahaha

  • Giolli Joker

    Now we need:
    -a full auto Sig P320;
    -a flight of stairs;
    -some dumb terrorists;
    -a remake of True Lies.

  • koolhed

    So which pistol has suffered more real world drop tests? A SIG 320 or a lowly Hipoint?

  • Joseph Rivers

    Any firearm may discharge if dropped. Cartridges may blow up if dropped. If you fall over, you may break a bone.

    If Sig Sauer feels there is an issue to be fixed, they will fix it. If not… There is no point in making a big deal out of it.

  • Mystick

    As far as handling goes, firearms are considered always loaded and always dangerous. While there may be a mechanical issue with the design, your own negligence is what is leading to the gun being mishandled and dropped, so you, too are at fault for not properly handling your firearm.

    Let’s sue automobile manufacturers when some asshat drives his car into a tree. After all, the vehicle did nothing to prevent that from happening, and someone may have gotten hurt as a result.

  • Rogertc1

    Surprised the cops don’t sue Glock too every discharge..

  • Iblis

    Glock has a drop safety…..that works.

  • mazkact

    Striker fired , sitting on sick um not a good thing ever. Double action first or all shots for me.

  • mazkact

    Gaston and His haram rejoices.

  • albaby2

    How many Glocks have discharged while being holstered? Human error, yes. So is dropping a gun.

  • survivor50

    I guess I need to go whack all my pistols with a HAMMER to see if any will fire that way…
    Then drop them all in the local Police parking lot…
    Or, maybe I’ll just try to be more careful…
    How many of you have Glock leg?

  • scaatylobo

    Funny that = never EVER heard of a ” holstered” gun dropping ??.
    And if I hear about another “high speed,low drag” operator that shoots himself OR another and blames the gun, @#$%%^&^&%^%$$$$.
    I own and carry a Glock for more than a few decades,NEVER had an incident with it yet,IF that happened I would look at another tool to save my butt.
    BUT then again I have not dropped that gun ,or ANY guns in too many decades to recall.

  • Mikial

    Guess the Army should have gone with the best pistol instead of the lowest bidder. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1762c5bc1c934ebf06ac650b9c721ab6cbaaa9fae9bccf5d3d0ae1ca43a0021d.jpg

  • Jamie Clemons

    Don’t drop it problem solved.