SIG SAUER Electro-Optics ROMEO-M17 Receives NSN Designation

@W B About the only thing I wanted from Sig was a P226. I picked up a P226 Elite and it runs great. The rest of their lineup I'll pass on.

@W B So since when are P365s going off randomly.... I love how false info spreads. I think you are confusing this with P320s and cops.

@W B Their optics are pretty good. You have to differentiate between their consumer and duty grade (I know, I know. Loaded terms) optics, but both are excellent in their respective categories. Their duty grade stuff is cutting edge.

@TheGreatDeception Poor wording on my part, I was referring to the 320 and Cross issues. Sig has been having non stop QC issues with all new products and after having two separate weapons platforms have discharge issues it kind of sticks with you. True the 365 does not have those issues but it still lingers in the back of my mind.

@Jeff Hewitt I fully understand that. I have a Romeo 4T and I have also heard nothing but good things about the Romeo 8. But with that said, I would still gravitate towards an Aimpoint or Trijicon for the price. If I am just getting a cheap red dot to have as a spare or to throw on a range gun then I have no problem with a Romeo 5 or a Holosun. They are hard to beat for less than $150.

@Jeff Hewitt I’m not convinced. I bought a Romeo 4, because the internet told me it was a duty optic, and promptly put it on a duty weapon. It got yanked and replaced with another optic after it failed to “shake awake” twice.

I was strongly considering buying a Tango 6T, but both of the ones I picked up to examine, at two different stores, were faulty out of the box. I’m sure the ones that work are the majority, but its become apparent that Sig lets bad stuff out the door.

Not to mention the M17 that my unit received that had to be returned for repair straight out of the box, or some of the other ones that have been stoppage machines.

@Andrew I've had a Romeo 4H that got rattled around regularly for a couple years with no effect, but a co-worker recently got a Romeo 1 Pro that couldn't be zeroed.

I've seen a Romeo5 XDR Predator that had one of the mounting bolts cross-threaded/stripped at the factory, That being said, they are manufactured by Huanic/Holosun.

That being said, I'm also one of the people who had one of their RMR Type 2's battery contacts break on them.

@W B The P365 has random discharges? That's news to me

@W B The P365 had bad primer drag issues when it was first rolled out and issues with firing pins breaking and firing out of battery. The fanbois tried to make excuses but SIG had to do a redesign of the striker shortly after its release.

@Andrew Out of curiosity what issues did the M17 have?

@Xerxes036 Stoppages. Mostly failures to achieve battery.

@Andrew The only P320s I've seen have those issues first hand is the issued M18s we got in my unit. I've never seen with any of the commercial P320s.

@Xerxes036 Just realized you meant the one that had to go back….its FCG was assembled incorrectly.

They’ve kept the ones that just have stoppages, hoping that they’ll “break in”. A couple of them seem to have tight chambers, though, which won’t ever break in. Overly tight slides (Ceracote, I think?) might.

@Beju I think I’ve just had bad luck with Sig’s rifle optics. Some people seem to love them. I think it may be like other things, where there isn’t great quality control, but the design isn’t intrinsically flawed. So they get a good one, and crawl the internet shouting to the heavens how its even better than an Aimpoint or Trijicon or whatever and how *inserthighspeedorganization* issues them.

@Andrew The M18s my unit got have issues where the slide won't go forward all the way when actually firing them. Like when the mag runs empty you load a new one and the slide won't go completely into battery when the slide goes forward.

@Xerxes036 Yeah, that’s one of the problems we’ve been having.

@Andrew Lol its funny you say that one of my colleagues was telling me this morning the M17 is less likely to do that because of the longer slide spring.

@Xerxes036 Maybe lol. Is the force in battery different? Seems like a fairly light spring in comparison to other handguns, which might be part of the problem. Though with some of the guns, even back-slaps weren’t great at getting them into battery, hence the suspicion of out-of-spec chambers in some of them.

@Andrew Slapping the M18s home has worked this far for us. I've tried to replicate the problem with the 3 commercial P320s I have (Compact, X-Compact and Full Sized) with no success.

@Xerxes036 Yeah, it works well for some, but not others. I think it’ll eventually go away for the ones that slapping works well on.

Thanks for trying to reproduce it with the commercial models. . I swear, everytime this comes up, someone calls me out like “nuh-uh, I’ve got a M17 and that doesn’t happen”, and it turns out that they have a commercial 320 or P320-M17, and don’t understand that there’s a difference. Or they say crazy stuff like “you have to use the right spring, or you’re not using hot enough ammo”.

@Andrew The SIG Fanbois are irritating theyll pull out every excuse in the book to simp for SIG where they don't deserve the defense I like their products but when they mess up they absolutely need to be called out on it. Blind brand loyalty is for fools.

@Andrew I would take any Romeo4 over an MRO ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm inclined to think that Trijicon's QC is better than SIG/Holosun, but I think that Holosun/SIG's Huanic sourced LED emitters are better than Trjicon's, and I'm not particularly impressed with the optics on the RMR and MRO.

But even at LE pricing, I'd probably pay a little bit more for an Aimpoint H2 over a Romeo8T.

Though, speaking of QC, did you see that Holosun has LE/Mil SKUs that are ostensibly undergo more QC/testing before shipping?

@Beju I forgot about the MRO. Definitely not Triji’s best rifle optic. And Holosun has been beating the pants off the RMR for a while now. Mostly. Hard for me to figure out where Sig fits into all of this. Seems like if I want a Holosun, I can just buy that, instead of a relabeled and marked-up one.

I did see Holosun’s “military” sight. Seems like a marketing gimmick, in that case. Are you saying they have different SKUs for their other optics, though? I’d consider paying for extra QC.

@W B I've had very good luck with the Romeo on my tp9sfx. No complaints

@Abel_Archer83 I had one with the Navy stamp. Absolutely reliable but a boat anchor.

@Andrew FWIU, only the Romeo5 line and some of the pistol optics are straight up Huanic builds. My 'assembled in the USA' Romeo4H models (I've got green and red) definitely has different tint than my Holosun pistol optics (don't have any Holosun rifle dots), so the lens coating may not have been done by Huanic.

The LE SKU Holosuns definitely include the 509T-RD along with EPS and EPS Carry for now. I wouldn't be surprised if the 508T gets added later on. They've got an "LEM" after the rest of the product code like HE509T-RD-X2-LEM. Primary Arms lists them, but they can be purchased for less through Holosun's LE/Mil direct purchase program.