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@supergun ...are you really suggesting that the military ditches a fully automatic mode for a binary trigger? Really?

@Blake Civilians can not have automatics. Most of them anyway. Have you watched the video of an Echo in action. Looks as close to any automatic that I have seen, and is probably more accurate. Next question please.

@supergun Yeah that is just... massively incorrect. Pretty much any person who is capable of owning a gun is capable of owning an automatic gun (as long as they don't live in the small number of restricted states). Yeah I have seen video of them, and no it's not going to anywhere near as accurate as a gun with an auto mode. We live in a dimension where physics exists, and where repeatedly slapping the trigger is going to make your groupings massively larger than someone bursting with an automatic firearm who is just holding the trigger down. Not to mention the most important aspect of accurate full-auto fire - leaning into the weapon - is not going to be repeatedly accurate with a binary due to the inconsistent cadence of fire.

This is all setting aside the fact that this article was about a new potential M4 upgrade for the *military*, not civilians. Next thing I need to massively correct you on please.

@Blake Blank, you remind me of a friend I had in grammar school. He was probably the most intelligent boy in the school. Most of the kids did not have anything to do with him, but we clicked. He probably became some research scientist that made a hell of a lot of money. Most people don't want to spend $20,000 for some automatics. Most people don't want to pay the kind of money that could be used to buy guns instead of paying the toll tax to the democrats. Most people would not like the idea of the FBI being able to search your home without a warrant, which is what you give up if you have automatics. I could go on and on, but I don't have the time that you do, to talk much about nothing and nothing at all. If that was all I had to worry about, I would have it made. The military encourages 3 shot bursts instead of full auto anyway. The Echo is the perfect trigger, because you don't need full auto unless you are going to rob a bank and plan of dying.

@supergun You're missing the point and arguing completely moot issues. I agree that most civilians don't want an automatic gun enough to buy one, but I was arguing against your statement of "civilians *can't* own them". And as far as automatics not being useful, that's just wrong too. Besides suppressive fire being far more effective when automatic, USMC studies have also found that automatic fire is far more accurate when engaging moving targets. And all of this is completely moot because the article and original comment were about soldiers, not civilians.