Consumer Alert: Whiskey 3 Precision Systems (W3PS)

Steve Johnson
by Steve Johnson

UPDATE 2016 : A number of people claiming to be customers of Whiskey 3 Precision Systems (which may be going by the name Terminal Ballistics Group today) have complained to TFB regarding their orders not being fulfilled. We recommend caution when placing orders.

UPDATE: While the owner of W3PS has not made a formal statement, he has indicated that the disgruntled customers on multiple forums are the same person who he believes is a previous business associate trying to tarnish his company’s name. I have requested a formal statement. The company says they never saw my request for comment.

Folks have been complaining on a number of gun forums about Whiskey 3 Precision Systems (W3PS), makers of .375 Reaper rifle and ammunition components. They alledge that W3PS have not been shipping products that were paid for and are not issuing refunds.

UPDATE: As some evidence has been provided that casts doubt on the legitimacy of those forum posts I quoted below, I am removing the the quotes for now. You can read them in full here and here.

Almost four weeks ago, on September 18, I contacted Whiskey 3 Precision Systems asking them about this controversy. I immediately received an automated response saying they would be in touch within 48 hours. Four weeks later I have not heard from them.

I don’t have their side of the story, nor can I verify that they are in fact not shipping orders, and if not why not.

TFB has blogged about this company’s products in the past so I feel duty bound to alert my readers. It is quite possible that the company has resumed delivering orders on time, but before you purchase anything from them, get a firm guarantee about the shipping date (and if the product is not shipping, call your credit card company and arrange a charge back.)

Remember you can always get your credit card vendor to initiate a chargeback.

I am very familiar with libel law. Nothing in this blog post constitutes libel.

Steve Johnson
Steve Johnson

I founded TFB in 2007 and over 10 years worked tirelessly, with the help of my team, to build it up into the largest gun blog online. I retired as Editor in Chief in 2017. During my decade at TFB I was fortunate to work with the most amazing talented writers and genuinely good people!

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  • Joe H. Joe H. on Oct 21, 2015

    I am one of the customers who has not received anything ordered yet. Its almost been a year since my order was placed. Seeing how I have an interest in this issue I have seen exactly what the other complaining customers have seen. A lot, and i mean a lot of posts under the company name have been deleted. I know you have no reason to believe me and i dont care. What i do know is i exchanged a decent sum of money for a product i never received. My cc company has a 3 month limit on claims which was passed a long time ago. When you are told by the retailer there were issues and just wait a few more weeks it easy to see how everyone passed the window to get their money back. I had no reason to suspect i was being lied to. Its possible the company has every intention of still honoring the sale. Yes there was T&C at purchase but I can also testify they have been changed on several occasions. You can doubt me, you can claim im the same guy just posting under the same name, or you can order an upper or barrel or bolt for this caliber and see how long it takes you to get it. I have already talked to others who are in the same boat. There isnt one guy, theres a lot of us. Like i said believe me or dont, doesnt matter to me. We are trying to warn others of what has happened to us. The only person im concerned about convincing will be the judge and with all the eveidence collected so far i wont have to say much if anything at all.

    • Dan Regg Dan Regg on Oct 24, 2015

      @Joe H. Same thing I've read. Did an extensive search and found nobody with a barrel other someone that appeared to receive a used barrel, test barrel. No videos online, nothing. From the information posted in a link here, appears he is taking money and hasn't delivered a thing. Found some other threads on AR15 forums, same thing. And reading thrift other forums, appears nobody is making barrels for them.