Justin L. recently acquired this never fired H&K P7 M13. Of course it was fired when it was inspected at the factory but it has been sitting in it’s box for almost three decades. The magazines have never been inserted into the gun.



Currently Justin is torn between keeping and shooting it or selling it due to it’s semi-rare nature of having never been fired. What would you do if you came across a gem like this?


  • Joe

    I’d sell it, pick up a used one, and put the profit into spare magazines.

    • Risky

      Bingo! A gun is only new, once. There are collectors that would pay a premium to have a truly unfired version of this pistol… you might as well take advantage of that rarity if you, yourself, are not a collector.

    • Joe

      Don’t cheat yourself Justin, let Ian at Forgotten Weapons white glove it before auction. Buy any other P7M13 and have a blast. Everyone wins, especially you.

    • Longhaired Redneck

      Hear, hear! No safe queens for me. That includes my grandfather’s vintage 1918 1911 (there’s a mouthful), my 1916 DWM Luger PO8, and my 1892 French revolver. Let’s not forget my Colt’s Python. If I’m not gonna shoot ’em, I’m not gonna have ’em!

      • I might not shoot my antique milsurp guns often, but not shooting them at all just seems disrespectful. The only guns I don’t shoot are the ones that are too old and/or broken to fire safely.

    • DrewN

      Agreed. I sold a first year Python that had been presented to my grandfather for something or another, who promptly stuck it in a closet and never touched it again. Too nice to take hunting he said so he had no use for it, and it held no sentimental value for him, so none for me. Too nice to shoot really, and that gun bought me a bunch of other guns which I’ve shot the crap out of.

  • Zundfolge

    Lemme get a tissue for the drool.

    Justin, man up … order something classic like a Milt Sparks VM2 and EDC it. Please don’t make it a safe queen.

    • Pipedog

      That’s not drool.

  • Kevin Riley

    Value dropped 20% when you put your paws on it without gloves on. LOL

  • Dougscamo

    Trust me on this one! KEEP IT! Sell it in the future! If I had only kept my MIckey Mantle, Roger Maris, Sandy Koufax, and Yogi Berra baseball cards that I had years ago, I wouldn’t be picking up pop bottles and aluminum cans to pay for my ammo addiction….

    • Swarf


      If only I had held on to my Beanie Babies longer.

      I’d sell it, and pretty quick, because I know myself well enough to know that I couldn’t resist shooting it– or at the very least, inserting the mags– for very long.

      • Dougscamo

        I’m serious….used the damn things to make “motorcycle” noises on the spokes of my bike….google Topps baseball cards for values on Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris baseball cards….no one ever thought this would happen…
        Of course, using them on my bike would be comparable to your not being able to resist shooting it…. 🙂

        • BeGe1

          If it weren’t for the fact that so many people put them on their bike to make motorcycle noises (and comparable other means of destruction) then they wouldn’t be worth that much.

          • Dougscamo

            SO very true!

        • Tassiebush

          I just cut up ice cream container to do the same but you use what you have handy.
          I wore out a set of hobnail boots as a teen in the 90s. They wouldn’t be very valuable but they would have made a nice museum piece.

  • randomswede

    How are these not in production?
    (It’s probably not cost effective in relation to market share they could have, but still…)

    • Ben

      Because it’s a dumb design ?

      • randomswede

        In what way?
        Other than fairly extensive use of sheet metal stampings in the polymer age.

        • Ben

          Heavy, low ammo capacity for it’s size, overheats quickly, and the squeeze cocker. Let’s face it, if the squeeze cocker was that amazing we’d see it copied in modern pistols. It’s a niche feature with a cult following that has no real place in modern firearms aside from a small cult following. If anyone other than HK’s name was on the side of the P7 nobody would care about it’s existence.

          • randomswede

            It should have shared magazines with the VP70.
            I’d say the squeeze cocker falls into the category of “good idéa, not worth the cost of labor”. Especially since the introduction of the Glock. It’s cheaper to copy the Glock and reach a sufficient level of safety.
            I’m a neophile and technophile not an HK fanboy but I see where you are coming from.

          • Madcap_Magician

            Man, I really love the squeeze cocker. It does fantastic things for the trigger on a P7. But yeah, it is a niche feature.

        • J-

          Gas delayed blowback is touchy. It doesn’t like being dirty. It doesn’t like +P. The squeeze cocker is odd. It requires a lot more grip than a grip safety. If you want to shoot slow and accurate, it actually tires out your hand.

          • randomswede

            I don’t think I’ve heard any long time owners having any of these issues, but plenty of people who prefer other pistols have this issue with the pistol they have never fired.
            It appears +P+ ammunition might be an issue but; the pistol was designed in ’76, the introduction of +P+ as far as I can tell was in the early ’90-ies.
            But then I suspect we have a similar amount of time actually shooting one.

          • J-

            I had a P7, the single stack, Euro mag release version. I hated that gun with a passion. The only good thing about it was that I bought it at a pawn shop relatively cheap and eventually unloaded it on Gunbroker for a lot more than I paid for it.

            It is a cult gun and can’t stand the reverence people have for it.

          • iksnilol

            Uhm, why wouldn’t it like +P. More gas just keeps the slide locked a bit longer.

          • J-

            It is a balance of gas force, spring force, and timing. Change one of them by 5,000 psi and it doesn’t keep the slide delayed longer, it rockets it open.

          • iksnilol

            I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work like that.

          • Johnsmyname

            The gun was designed specifically for 9mm NATO which is +P…

        • BeGe1

          I mean…do you have to ask?

          The squeeze cocker thing is cool and all, and I’d love to have one to play with for novelty’s sake. But I thought we all mutually understood that it’s basically retarded. There’s a reason nobody else ever did it.

      • Johnsmyname

        It’s a brilliant design. While not as practical as current designs, the engineering can’t be ignored. And to the nay sayers, the grip is not tiring and it’s made for +p or NATO ammo. I do agree with the dirty comment though, but it’s not an issue, just more finicky than a Glock would be.

        • Grant

          That’s what most people don’t get. Since gas pressure holds the slide shut, +P ammo works just fine. The system is self adjusting.

          I would never try it, but I read an article once where the author was using cut down .223 cases to reload super hot 9mm ammo and shooting it in a P7.

  • MeaCulpa

    Divorce my wife and marry the gun.

    • Al

      The gun truly does look immaculate – a virgin, you might say… Tough competition for any wife.

    • Mike

      I got a gun for my wife…….. Fair swap.

  • aweds1

    Shoot it! No gun is going to appreciate enough to make hanging on to it as a safe queen worth while. They’re purchases, not assets.

  • maynardb

    P7s have a glorious trigger, and are accurate.
    I took my P7 M8 to the local steel challenge match and did better with it that any other previous outings. The squeeze cocker takes some getting used to, getting it out of the holster, and figuring when is the best time to squeeze. It got pretty darn hot, though.
    But, I didn’t even better last week with my new VP 9.
    Seriously considering selling the P7 M8.

  • D

    As someone in a similar position, there are collector pieces and shooters. That it a collectors piece.

  • DangerousClown

    The article is five sentences, and you couldn’t have someone proof read it?

    • BeGe1

      Agreed. Needs commas.

      • DangerousClown

        Less apostrophes.

    • retfed

      “. . . it’s semi-rare . . . ” You’d think a professional writer would know the difference between “it’s” (contraction) and “its” (possessive).
      Sorry, but that’s fingernails on a blackboard for me.

      • DangerousClown

        If they had an editor, he or she might catch these annoyances.

        • A Fragile Alliance At Best

          The lack of an editor is no excuse for chronic grammar errors; many of which have been on a fundamental level.

  • Bill

    It’s a gun built for using, so I’d use the hell out of it.

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    I’d sell it to a collector and buy 1 really nice gun to shoot, or 2-3 “ok” guns to shoot.

    But I’d definitely replace it with a shooter.

  • Kelly Jackson

    I’d use it in the USA

    • KidCorporate

      B-b-but, you suck and we hate you!

  • Karl Vanhooten

    IF, I was going to sit on a new gun (as a collector) for 30 years – and I would never do that – I certainly would not handle the collector’s piece with bare hands.

    • ostiariusalpha

      Why not? The oils in your hands aren’t going to harm it in any way.

  • Tim

    Old virgins are fun in b—……oh w8……they’re not fun at all.

  • Geoff Blake

    I had a friend that owned one, with an extended barrel. He was deadly with that pistol, and when I tried it, agreed that it was a pleasure to shoot. It came on-target effortlessly, and was quite accurate. Whatever I chose to do…I wouldn’t let it slip through my hands !

  • Elegans Jinfengopteryx

    KEEP IT!!! That’s a masterpiece~~~

  • FOC Ewe

    Run a few cases of Wolf through it.

  • valorius

    I love the HK P7, ive owned 2, but the M13 (and M10) are just too fat around the grip for my taste.

    • well you’re not supposed to put it in your mouth

      • valorius


  • atmar

    i wont let her die a virgin lol

  • USMC03Vet

    Give it to MattV to operator test for this channel.
    NO BALLS!!

  • Damn, that’s gorgeous. It may have had its problems, but the P7 was one of the prettiest 9mms ever made.

  • Charlie Victor Alpha

    I’d keep it, and use it whenever I felt like it.

  • Bradley

    What is the trigger like on these?

  • autofull– kevin horning

    beautiful, but if ya can afford to, just shoot it. that was the latest model available back in the day. even has the finger heat shield on her and the american magazine release. i owned and sold the single and twin stackers over the last 30yrs and these are just to cool not to use them. i say just shoot her but, no cast bullet tips or reloads in her as the gas system and poly groves in the tube only like jacketed tips. aww, if ya can afford to own her, shoot her.ya will fall in love. jus remember yer ammo choice. my two from prior experience, kevin.

  • Chippah

    “Shoot the glass” -Hans Gruber

  • BeGe1

    There’s markets for pistols that cost more than that and hold 7 rounds of .45. But they’re of a design people actually want. Custom 1911 makers abound.

    If people actually wanted that concept of design then it would be produced. But it’s not. Not even for a small niche market of cult followers. The ones already produced satisfy what little demand their is, which is mostly just for novelty’s sake.

    And no, it’s nothing like your SIG P210 statement. Because we’re not just talking about nobody producing that specific model, we’re talking about the entire concept of the gun having been abandoned and uncopied.

    The basic features of the SIG P210 are basic features that are still commonplace to this day, continually copied with continual variations made and/or improved upon. The basic concept of the squeeze cocking design you cannot say the same for. I don’t even think the chinese ever made a pistol that copied the basic squeeze cocking feature, lol.

  • J-

    I had a P7, early 80’s model, with the European style magazine release on heel of the grip.

    I bought it because it was “cool” and everybody love them. I hated it. I hated shooting it. I hated cleaning it.

    It balanced well when you held it, because all the weight was in the grip, but choices for holsters for it was limited.
    Because of the squeeze cocker design, the grip is thick but only single stack.

    The ONLY thing about that gun that I liked was that I sold it for way more than I bought it for.

    I am convinced that the P7 series has a following like Aston Martins or stuff like that because they are few and far between, European, and expensive. I’d take a commander size 1911 over a P7 any day, all day, and be happy. Oh wait, I did.

  • Alex A.

    Let Karl and Ian from Inrange do a mud test!

  • Old Tofu

    “What would you do if you came across a gem like this?” . . . wish that I had more money