YouTube Gun Channels Are In Danger

Yesterday we found out that YouTube gun channels are in danger of losing any ad support that they have come to rely on. TFB TV is among those channels that are affected.

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Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and Co-Director for TFBTV. He is a verified gun nerd and also podcasts at The Firearms Podcast. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially overly modified plastic handguns, precision rifles, and AR based things. You can follow Patrick on Instagram @tfbpatrick, Facebook, or contact him by email at tfbpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • UCSPanther

    Politically motivated business decisions do have a tendency to blow up the faces of companies who practice them. This could very take a chunk out of youtube’s bottom line…

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Gun content is a very small piece of the pie sadly. YouTube won’t even notice.

      • Matt from marxachusetts

        Patrick why not switch over to full30? EFF YouTube…

        • PersonCommenting

          Problem with full30 is you have to be invited and it is only gun stuff. I use youtube for many other things. I wish Full30 would go mainstream without the Harsh youtube restrictions. If it isnt illegal then allow it to be put on. I know they are going for a boutique type thing but they are either visionaries that havent had their time come or they will die off eventually.

        • Mrninjatoes

          Full 30 is all paid reviews. There is nothing honest about Full 30. TFB does not get paid to do reviews.

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          The payout there is not even enough for most creators to cover gas costs.

      • Major Tom

        Snowball effect. First gun vids leave then things like Let’s Play and then goes the fanvids for just about anything.

        Next thing you know, YouTube ratings and views are on par with MSNBC aka nobody watches it.

        So it’s possible.

        • Jeez Louise

          They started restricting and demonetizing LGBT channels and political channels first, then gun channels and other channels.

          I hope this will help other video sites like Vimeo and Dailymotion to grow and compete against Youtube.

        • Stuki Moi

          Explicitly leaving competitors, whether existing or emerging, with unchallenged revenue streams, is rarely a smart move for a business. Kind of like the (once-were) Big3 not bothering to challenge those Japanese upstarts, since they were just building cheap subcompacts, and the real money were in big cars…

          What about Vimeo et al? Why host on Youtube at all? I can’t say donating money, just so to enable youtube to reap pageview rewards, is all that tempting. While they’re not charging you directly, they still benefit indirectly by viewers clicking on to other videos, then clicking on ads etc….

          If this is the way these guys are going, it’s honestly about time the likes of Youtube/Google and Facebook become FoxNewsed/Bypassed by the people/left to steam in their own, ever shrinking echo chamber….

      • UCSPanther

        Maybe, but youtube does not just seem to be doing this to gun vids, but other video sources, such as popular political videos and channel.

    • USMC03Vet

      We can hope, but they are diversified and basically a monopoly in many markets now. Even if you wanted to avoid these scumbags it’s almost impossible to not use their services.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    ISIS is cutting people heads off but they have a problem with TFB?

    Solid priorities.

    • David Harmon

      If the rumors are to be believed, they have zero issues with ISIS.

    • USMC03Vet

      Bro, if you’re really surprised by Google’s priorities we need to have a talk

  • Bigbigpoopi
    • Major Tom

      Where da real money is made !

    • Badwolf

      Great idea! A TFB shirt with face of Patrick, James, Miles, or Edward. I wonder which shirt would sell more…

      • Anonymoose

        (James shirts in Extra Small V-neck only)

        • David Harmon

          I lol’d.

    • LoneStar

      “Moichandicing”* <– correct Yogurt Spelling. May the Schwartz be with you.

  • JSmath

    Look into Full30.

    • toms

      Marketing forum is what that is

      • USMC03Vet

        Yup. The trick is to say the video isn’t a review but rather an “impression”. I’ve stopped bothering with many gun channels because they are basically advertisements and there is no transparency what so ever which means I can only assume the worst.

  • ??

    I’d be more likely to donate to get rid of those annoying “sign up for our stupid newsletter” banners.

  • MrBrassporkchop

    All I could find is YouTube pulling ads from channels with less than x# of views per whatever.

    • this is exactly it. they’ve made a blanket policy statement that under 10k whatevers, you can’t pull in ad revenue.

      • JSmath

        No, that isn’t it, at all. You have to be deliberately ignoring details on the issue to believe that’s remotely the case.

        Many channels, some of them including channels with the highest subscriber/watcher count in history (Pewdiepie), have had all of their new videos demonetized despite being exceptions to any made up rules you guys are just guessing at. In the case of many, it often has nothing to do with any legitimate complaints about illegal content – it is merely content that people do not like, such as firearms.

        TFB has nearly 300k subs, if they only needed 10k whatevers, they wouldn’t even waste their time making this video or article.

        • iksnilol

          But I think people do like Pewdiepie. Why is his content being demonetized?

          • Paul Rain

            Because he’s considered a threat by the power elite.

          • Raven

            Because he’s dumber than a box of rocks and has been a controversy magnet over the past few months, nobody wants anything to do with him.

          • ActionPhysicalMan

            I have only seen part of two of his videos. IMO he is terribly irritating, but there is a huge market for that with kids and he made a ton of money with it. I am not sure that he didn’t discover a character that a lot of kids liked and then honed it to get rich off rather than really being that guy in real life.

          • Captain Stove

            Whatever your opinion about Pewdiepie (Felix Arvid Ulf Kjellberg)
            as an entertainer, it’s a fact that he is a pretty cool guy. I am saying
            this because I’ve watched his videos and because there are many YouTube celebrities (Jenna Marbles, Lily
            SIngh, Smosh, Markiplier, etc., etc.) who dominate the headlines
            whenever people talk about YouTube celebrities.

            Stop using them as
            examples of Google’s nefariousness. We don’t know how Google’s super secret proprietary algorithm’s track this stuff – or why – but let’s instead focus on channels with relevance to the subject at hand.

            I like watching Gun Gripes and I was saddened at the death of old Barry a couple of years ago. I was also annoyed at the almost instant diversion into politics afterwards by Eric and his buddies when they continued the show.

            I think an awareness of the politics around gun ownership and the legalities and responsibilities thereof, is important.

            I DON’T want the politics to be all I hear about whenever I talk about guns.

          • ActionPhysicalMan

            It is absurd to say that it is a fact that he is a ‘pretty cool guy’. “Cool” is entirely subjective. You also don’t know him personally, his youtube behavior could also be a facade, and you have no way to know it.

        • Then I stand corrected. The only public thing i’ve seen is Youtube changing their public policy regarding monetizing small channels.

  • valorius

    The sooner all gun channels abandon Youtube, the better.

  • anonymous

    YouTube Shrugged, and denies the fruits of their labour to viewpoints they don’t want to support.

  • Jim N Jenna SK

    The Serious lighting was busted out for this one.

  • mmyers08

    Meh. This is not going to affect the truly useful YouTube gun channels. You know, the ones that actually TEACH people something. I don’t need to hear NutNFancy ramble on for 35 minutes about the POU or whatever of a pistol. I don’t need to see Patrick’s “reviews” which only consist of “let me put the camera on my face while I blow through $100 bucks of free ammo and miss 1/3 of my targets”. Patrick, your reviews really aren’t informative. You don’t give out any useful information. James’ videos are informative. Yours just seem like kind of an ego stroke for you. Less camera time for you, the better.

    But some hobbyist who puts up a video he shot at home showing me how to reassemble something? That guy’s going to be there. Somebody honestly reviewing his pistol, that I know he bought with his own money? He’s going to be there.

    • Paul Rain

      Too true- I heartily endorse James’s guns.

      • Y-man

        Yeah – I see what you did there! [Tongue out smirk!]

      • mmyers08

        Good one. But homoeroticism aside, perhaps James’ videos are better because he’s a lawyer and knows how to structure a presentation? His video series comparing various compact double-stack 9mms was very informative indeed. Pros and cons noted, comparisons made, and enough information given so a consumer could make a somewhat informed decision. Still didn’t show groupings, but not bad.

        Patrick—get behind the camera, not in front of it.

    • Dang man, pretty mean there! I mean, I prefer Alex’s videos the most, but wow! LOL.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Patrick, your reviews really aren’t informative.

      I don’t know, I wouldn’t say that. I mean, all the reviews are surface level of guns I’m usually not interested in. But I’m sure someone finds them informative.

      My bigger gripe is the pretty obvious technique issues like bowling draws, talking with hands – with a gun in the hand, muzzling himself, etc.

      It’s my opinion that esp when TFB name is attached – the videos should be UNQUESTIONABLY flawless in terms of technique and safety. For that reason, I wouldn’t mind seeing 1/4 the number of videos at 2x the quality. But I can’t really fault them for being uninformative if you are a novice.

  • imachinegunstuff

    I wander what the potential is for channels to approach big gun companies and advertise directly on a video. It would be cheaper than advertising with Google and could directly support a channel.

    No bought and paid reviews, but run a short advert on the front of videos. Idk I’m just brainstorming. I’d imagine it’d be more effective than advertising in magazines.

    • Paul Rain

      Ask ‘the last boy scout’.

    • gusto

      and how trustworthy will those channels then be?

  • FOC Ewe

    Wake me up when Ian has problems. Everyone else is shilling some sort of new slap-chop.

    No, we aren’t going to love your nuts.

  • pablo4twenty

    I paetron a few various podcasts and YouTube creators including tdbtv because a few dollars a month are worth quality content to me.

  • mazkact

    Maybe this will make Full 30 stronger. Adds on Full 30 go right to their target audience, the adds are short and you cannot skip them. More viewership on Full 30 should mean more ad money.

  • Tassiebush

    I already support tfbtv via patreon but I hope a secure alternative to YouTube can be sourced in time because this is just going to keep on happening. I’m so sick of companies getting involved in activism.

  • jonp

    This is not directed solely at the gun video’s. I think it is directed towards every channel with less than 10,000 subscribers.

    • Cymond

      That’s not it. TFB has 289,402 subscribers at the moment.

  • Megaman

    I love this site, but I absolutely don’t like or need your youtube channel.Have already unsubscribed. I will donate for mac, but definitely not for tfb tv.

  • JSmath

    Excuse me, Mr./Mrs. Moderator, but the Pu**y part of my comment was crucial to my remark. Otherwise, ilks wouldn’t know I’m referring to the bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Genit**s having to approve applications I.A.W. the PCA. This is important legal discussion.

  • Hi Patrick.
    I’m doing a little research for a similar blog story for my own site, Inspiration Point. Obviously, it’s not about gun ads. Rather, I am concerned about my fellow content creators in the YouTube community. They have the same problems, as gun related YouTube channels. I’m glad someone is talking about it; even if we’re not on the same page in the area of guns. I may just reference this blog post.

  • Blake

    You know what I’d really like to see (but don’t have the cycles, drive, or contacts to execute)?

    A sort of “journalism credit card” based on a common widespread auth system (e.g. OpenID) that allows me to top it up as I please, & lets sites charge me as they feel fit (e.g. pay-per-article, monthly subscription, etc), but is generally not in my face & in the way.

    I’d happily pay ~$15-20/month to charge this thing up, but under the condition that I can read what I want on NYT, WaPo, LAT, WSJ, FT, etc. with no paywalls, signups, or spam.

    & personally I’d very much prefer to pay some trivial amount on a per-article basis (like back when ad clicks were profitable & non-detrimental for journalism sites), but I’m well aware that most sites will want to enforce their monthly subscription because their shareholders are pushing them for consistent, predictable revenue as if every reader was still getting a paper copy delivered to their mailbox every day. So even if you push the per-article model, you still have to offer sites the ability to charge a monthly fee.

    & if they want to reward readers, give them incentive to share links to articles (e.g. a tiny bit of credit for clicks leading others to the site), moderate comments, flag ads as harmful, & otherwise be helpful to the site’s community. This could even be a way for students & other broke-as-a-joke folks to earn article reading credit & add value to sites’ ecosystems while only making a very small financial contribution.

    • Captain Stove

      Add The Guardian, Alternet, Mother Jones, Jezebel and Gothamist / LAist to that list of subscribers.

      A mixed diet is a healthy diet.

  • Captain Stove

    Google ARE openly leftist. Like hundreds of millions of people in Europe, South America, Africa and the Middle East. What’s your problem with that? Do you want your search engine run by a corporation that’s openly rightist like the Chinese government?

    There’s nothing wrong with having either leftwing or rightwing social policies. What really matters is if those policies work for people, as a whole. So quit your partisan bollox and grow up.

    And no, you don’t have to consent to a EULA, but let’s face it; When United Airlines can brazenly ignore their own contract rules and people think that RT is news, we can only hope for more companies like Google.

  • Fox Hunter

    Go to full30.com instead of youtube.