Thanks to Adam S. for sharing this.

A customer stopped into my store and said he had a gun that he was having some problems. I told him to bring it on in. He returns from his vehicle and opens a dirty, unassuming case and this was inside. My eyes immediately got huge!
He said that it was having some feeding issues and I had him try and explain further what was exactly happening and he wasn’t very good at elaborating on the problem. I told him it could something as simple as the magazine being worn since the gun is so old. I checked out the magazine and the mag lips were fine and it had good spring tension.
Then, he said he was thinking of possibly getting it re-blued or Cerakote-d to make the finish look better. At this point I hadn’t said anything about the value of the gun, but then I stopped him. I said that I would not work on his gun. I refused to. He should leave it as is.
He then told me that I was the 3rd stop he stopped at and everyone before me said the same thing.
Finally, I gave him the history and value of the gun. He was ecstatic since it was a hand-me-down gun and he didn’t know the full value or story.
Before he left I mentioned that we buy, sell, and trade and offered him $10 as a joke.
It boggles my mind that Adam was this person’s third stop. I am surprised the other two shops did not explain to this customer what he had in his hands. How can someone not see the Nazi marks and not think that this gun may have some value?
Hopefully this person will appreciate it a bit more. Thanks Adam for saving this piece of history from cerakote!




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  • Blake

    What’s the estimated value of that piece of history?

    • Anonymoose

      Probably $1000. If it wasn’t scratched up it could go for twice that.

  • Anonymoose

    So the magazine was fine. How was the recoil spring? Maybe the ejector was worn down? Was he trying to feed hollowpoints through it?

    • Marcus D.

      Maybe just the wrong ammo.

  • Joseph Goins

    I wager to say the other shops didn’t tell him the value in the hopes that he would sell it to them for dirt cheap.

    • Nunya Bidniz

      I wouldn’t take that bet. I’m sure you’re right… :-

  • Bigg Bunyon

    One man’s trash is another man’s treasure … and vice versa. The gun may have value as a relic of the past, but value is in the mind of the owner. If the owner doesn’t care, then to him the gun’s value is a moot point. He should sell it and get something he does value. Maybe an iPhone 7 or an ALDI coffee maker.

  • FrenchKiss

    Was the owner an old Nazi?
    /jk

    • milesfortis

      More probably the son of a WW2 soldier who brought it back in his duffle bag.
      One of my great uncles brought back a P38 whose original owner “didn’t need it anymore”.

    • Tritro29

      The original owner was probably an historic a-hole and a first hour Nazi/SA.

    • Archie Montgomery

      No doubt one of them was. The marking indicates it was owned by the NAZI government and issued to a party official. (Or something on that order.)

      However, it was more than likely imported to the United States during or shortly after WWII by a U. S. Serviceman; the result of a ‘find’ of some type pursuant to combat.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    How did he nazi that?

    • patrickkell

      after a little fuhrer everything was all reich in the end

    • Hoplopfheil

      Is there an RSS feed for your pith? If so I’d like to subscribe.

  • SerArthurDayne

    “Can we all agree this is Trump’s fault somehow?” — Rachel Madcow

    • guest

      Obviously Russian hackers messed with it.

    • LarryNC

      LOL

  • clampdown

    I hope you also told him that it would shoot right through a windshield…

    • LGonDISQUS

      Similar to a “brick going through a pane of glass”?

      • Dean Seaman

        The line is…”like a brick through a plate glass window”.

        • LGonDISQUS

          ? There we go!

        • Nunya Bidniz

          Well, in Maj. Boothroyd’s [the archetype of “Q”] defence, the plate glass windows in England back then were very thin, not like the tempered, thick stuff a brick practically bounces off of like we have today! 😉

          • Nunya Bidniz

            Or maybe that’s an even greater indictment of his description? %-)

          • Dean Seaman

            HA! I wanna know where you’re getting your plate glass from and how much yer payin’. Last time I had to replace a plate window I had a choice of 1/16″ or 3/32″!

  • Yyyeah, that doesn’t look like a Mitchell’s Mausers or Gunborker class ersatz waffenamt. Hie thee yon to an antique appraiser, sirrah.

  • Nashvone

    “How can someone not see the Nazi marks and not think that this gun may have some value?”

    Some people aren’t students of history. Outside of an autographed picture of Hitler, they couldn’t recognize a piece of Nazi memorabilia.

    • Dean Seaman

      On top of that, as succeeding generations come along, the impact of such an item becomes less and less. Eventually, this will only be seen as “another old gun”, by gun enthusiasts in general and it will only be the firearms historians that will appreciate something like that.
      I’m already seeing such an…”attitude” in the younger crowd with other items in general. They react differently because its something from before their time.

      • richard kluesek

        Well said, no sense of values, history, or tradition, which arms and firearms are linked into. And as long as ammo is available, its always the weapon it was made to be. Just like an old coin is at minimum worth its face value.

        • Yes, don’t get me started on young people… The brutal rolling winter campaign of 1812, that immense conflict that brought the world to the brink of ruin and re-shaped history, still fresh in our minds — and these guys are just like “um, it’s some old war, right?”. I MEAN THERE’S BONAPARTE’S COAT OF ARMS STARING YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE! *facepalm* I lost faith in humanity.

          • Dean Seaman

            Yes, exactly…but it goes for all generations. Let’s say I had a civil war era ’51 Colt Navy and an old horse pistol from the revolutionary war. To the guys who fought in those wars, and the couple of generations after, they have a much deeper meaning than to anyone today, because they would be of that time.
            Yet, to me, while I can appreciate their historical value, when it comes down to brass tacks, they’re both just a pair of old guns. I can’t relate to the eras they come from, directly, because it all happened way before my time.
            We’re so immersed in the history of our own time, its hard to understand (sometimes) when someone who came afterwards takes the attitude that we see in many younger people today.
            …yet, we’re guilty of the same thing ourselves.
            Something to keep in mind the next time you deal with someone many years younger than yourself.

          • I’m very sorry, but WOOOOOSH

  • Polaritypictures Ken

    Ehhhhhhhhh, so what was the problem? bad recoil spring? jacked up feed ramp? what about the follower?

    • noamsaying

      Maybe they should get the engineers who designed the new Remington RP to have a look at it. Has anyone seen the military arms channel video on the RP9?

  • Will

    Were the feeding issues resolved?

  • tsubaka

    yep but this one is almost in pristine condition has an holster so that will uprise the price.
    while this one is kind of worn out, still it probably worth a lot of money

  • Tritro29

    That’s A NSKK marked gun. You should have asked for the damn case and checked it for other markings. These were often marked for Hardcore SA that survived the Long Knives Night. Anyway yeah that’s 2500 at minimum.

    • John Brown Jr

      Perhaps the author could’ve shared that info with everyone in the article, rather than just assume everyone would know…

      • Tritro29

        Well, not to be rude with the author, but indeed the article is really short on relevant information on the “historical value” of that piece.

        So I agree, the article needs some depth.

  • Johanne Johanne

    I would have said “screw it, kote it brah” as dura-cera-gunna-whatevertha-kote automatically makes any gun 100X more tacticool and therefore awesome.

  • jamezb

    Valuable gun or not, there is no reason not to fix it. You can always bag the original parts along with a note reading something to the effect of:
    “KEEP THESE ORIGINAL PARTS WITH THE GUN FOR FULL COLLECTOR VALUE”
    If you had a 63 Corvette with a cracked windshield or a bad distributor, would you leave it screwed up because “it’s original that way?”

    – Not fixing the gun, or at least explaining that it is only going to feed right with ball ammo, is inviting the owner’s cousin Bubba to take his dremel to the feed ramp. While some purist collectors may insist that classics must never be shot, I assure you not all gun owners agree with that idea. If you BUY the gun from the guy THEN it’s up to you whether it gets used. If it is their gun, and mechanically safe, the decision to shoot it or not is theirs, not yours.

    I’ve gotten unsolicited advice from professionals I didn’t agree with before.
    I’m polite, so I thanked them and went on my way cussing them under my breath, then went out of my way to do EXACTLY what they said NOT to do. …occasionally to my eventual regret, but far more often to my unyielding satisfaction.
    If he gets pissed that it wont feed Double-Shok Super Zombie Killer Mega Square Hollow Points and throws it down and breaks a grip, that’s on YOU.

  • ToddB

    Some gun shops would take advantage of such a customer, while others simply don’t know as much as they think. I used to be friends with a guy who worked in a shop, he was very opinionated. If it wasn’t an AR15 then it wasn’t worth owning. If it wasn’t a glock it was junk, and had to be in 45 ACP. He sold other brands but only because ‘idiots kept buying them’. He was giving people $100 less on 40 cal trades due to his dislike for the caliber. He was also the guy who gave $250 trade for a bubba mosin. One with an obviously loose scope mount, butchered left hand only stock, and cheap chinese scope. He tried to pawn it off on me, at full price since nobody else would buy it. Eventually in desperation he sold it to me for $50. Wasn’t anything actually wrong with the rifle, that a screw driver wouldn’t fix, and a real gun shop could have easily fixed it and maybe not lost $200. Or parted it out considering it was a fin mosin w timney trigger and $100 scope mount.

  • MidwayBill

    Fortunately some folks don’t just “try to sell it”, and there are dealers out there that’ll do straight by a customer. My brothers neighbor had a 1911 from around 1918 marked “Property US NAVY”. My brother told him what it was worth and wanted right of first refusal if he ever sold it. Some time later the idiot sold it for dirt cheap so he could get money for a new recliner.

    • Bill

      Unfortunately, the wrong people tend to end up with the nicest guns. I knew a guy who had managed to keep his mint issue Remington Rand 1911A1 after WW II and would not part with it for any amount because he wanted to give it to one or the other of his sons. He went into an Alzheimer’s facility and his sons ditched it at a garage sale that I heard about after the fact for something like a hundred bucks. If ever two people deserved to have their heads bashed together, it was these geniuses. Pretty sure everybody here has at least one story like this.

  • GetFactsBeforeFormingOpinions

    I once traded a PPK/S, stainless, with Nazi markings, on another pistol. I got $150 in trade and was happy… I had no idea, and the guy behind the counter had no idea. (this was back in about 1990) Lesson learned…

    • Sulaco5

      A PPK/s Stainless Steel with Nazi markings? Not possible I would think, not real anyway, SS didn’t come into use in firearms until the 70’s +/-. Sure as heck was not used in the 1930’s to 1945. PPK/s was a result of the 68 gun ban……or am I missing something here…? Might have been a SS Walther made in West Germany with the German eagle government markings but not Nazi.

      • DennisBechtel

        was probably a nickel plated ppks we own several that are engraved and in nickel.

        • GetFactsBeforeFormingOpinions

          I thought it was stainless, but I know next to nothing about Walther/Axis firearms. It very well could have been nickel, that was over 25 years ago. I do know it had the Nazi markings – on the side like the one in the picture, and a swastika on the barrel. At the time, no one really cared about the markings.

          • richard kluesek

            Was checking out a Polish Radom 9mm in a pawnshop and questioned the clerk about it being “silver”. He plausibly explained that after all that time WW2 bringback trophys were sometimes plated by the new owners, sometimes there in Europe during occupation duty, as well as stateside later, chrome or nickel.

  • Archie Montgomery

    Perhaps offer the gentleman a trade. Provide him with the type of sidearm to suit his needs and move the PP to a more appropriate situation.

    I tend to eschew NAZI marked items, but that pistol is a bit of history.

    • Cottersay

      I agree, and I understand the huge historical significance of these items, but I refuse to have ANY Nazi items in my house. (I even sold the Nazi knives given to our family by my uncle who served on the front lines. Just couldn’t stomach them anymore.)

      • Archie Montgomery

        Cottersay, my thought is everyone should remember the lesson, but forget the people (causing the problem).

  • DennisBechtel

    was left over 20 such reich mark ppks in 9mm and some in 32 caliber ,none have ever been shot all very greasy all have intrinsic value to me.

  • Nunya Bidniz

    I’d sell it, buy a Makarov [better all around, caliber & handling] and put the rest of the money in stock. But then, I’m not a Naziphile, so the history of this particular piece is of trifling importance *to me*. Let someone who wants it have it, and I’ll take the money & run! ;-D

  • ciscokid3750

    Certainly one of my favorite hide out guns. Its reeks of quality and its made of all steel, no modern plastiky parts or stamped sheet metal or cast iron parts. Just pure quality. No I would not carry a Nazi marked gun but there are tons of them out there still that were made in France and Germany but at a price my dear Mr. Ugarte, but at a price.

  • ltcray

    I have a Italian marked Beretta type 31 that looks almost identical to that one. It was inherited from my father in law, who served in WW2 as a Pacific Theater Seebee. Seems he won it in a card game. The only wear is from it laying in a drawer in the bedside table.

  • richard kluesek

    Sadly many collectors, dealers, pawn store operators, and retailers, will withhold their knowledge. And it works both ways. Not just that they are predatory and greedy hoping to make an acquisition for very little. But that the customers themselves are unappreciatative of the service and dont support their local sources. They will come in for help or service on something they bought elsewhere, so that guy profited so why should the one your going to provide assistance ? And they cherrypick to buy up deals and sale items but weill travel far spending time and gas money or order off the internet and pay shipping and transfer fees while the local resources could have done the same service for less and would be close by for support.

  • Baggy270

    It’s a PP not a PPK

  • John Brown Jr

    How much is that really worth? Seems like only around 1k or so on GB. Doesn’t seem all that special even with the waffen marks.

  • Pollyannanot Blufelt

    I got one better than that…A German helmet with a bullet hole in it and a small chunk of the former owner’s scalp. Back in the 50s we kids found all sorts of things in our basements and garages our dads brought back. How about a piece of a German fighter plane fuselage…the part with the iron cross spray painted on it? I guess this stuff is worth some money to someone. Zehr interresantes.