Current usage of the CAA Roni

Converting handguns into a carbine like form is nothing new, going back at least to the Civil War with various attempts at installing a stock and longer barrel on revolvers in use at the time. Command Arms Accessories has been brining to market their Roni kit for several years now, but is there any actual use of it outside of recreational conversions? Examples from Iraq and India have shown the conversion kit in active usage by some soldiers within the Iraqi Army, and the National Socialist Council of Nagaland, a separatist group in India. I can’t find the photograph that showed an Iraqi soldier with the Roni, but instead found one of a soldier in an Iraqi uniform shooting it at a shooting range. In addition I’ve shown a number of Ronis that have appeared on the Iraqi small arms market, some outfitted to Glock 17s, and others to what appears to be a Walther P99 handgun.

Most of these kits are most likely not the product CAA puts out for the small arms market, instead being the Airsoft version that is much easier to acquire worldwide. Especially in Iraq where the proliferation of Airsoft components being used on actual firearms is very disseminated. In fact, the below video is from Thailand, where a shooter takes an actual Glock 17, and assembles it into an Airsoft Roni.

Either way, both groups portrayed with the Roni are using it because it is a cheap and effective method for getting somewhat carbine effectiveness with nothing more than a handgun and a parts kit.

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Miles

Infantry Marine, based in the Midwest. Specifically interested in small arms history, development, and usage within the MENA region and Central Asia. To that end, I run Silah Report, a website dedicated to analyzing small arms history and news out of MENA and Central Asia.

Please feel free to get in touch with me about something I can add to a post, an error I’ve made, or if you just want to talk guns. I can be reached at miles@tfb.tv


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  • Polaritypictures Ken

    overdone with that scope on there.

  • valorius

    These are perfectly viable defensive arms, but under US law they’re a total PITA to acquire or construct, so i can’t be bothered.

  • car54

    I know a police dept that bought HK 94 SBRs back in the day for their dept as patrol rifles. Most the guys and gals who used them liked them because they were easier to shoot more accurately and/or/at longer distance than a pistol. I can see where a PD might consider the RONI for something like that.

  • Winston Behle

    These are used extensively by law enforcement overseas. In fact, RONI’s have been used by law enforcement in Europe to take down high profile terrorists. The main reason police like them is adaptability, cost savings and universality. Suddenly in a long range situation? Your GLOCK now doubles as a carbine and all you have to do is snap the lightweight RONI on and it takes the same ammo.

    Source: I’m a marketing and PR representative for CAA

    • Peter (BE)

      I highly doubt that any terrorist was taken out by a Roni in EU. I know of no LE organization overseas that use Roni’s “extensively” by any stretch of the meaning of the word. Some are in the wild yes. They are used for skirting regulations: Second line LEO’s who are not issued proper long guns get them from their own money to up arm themselves somewhat just in case and some citizens buy them for paramilitary use without having to ask permission first. They seem like good fun on a range too.

      • German_Police_Dog

        No one uses CAA trash here. In fact the ministry of the interior in Germany banned the use of any device that encapsules a handgun. They use dedicated PDW like the B&T MP9 or the H&K MP7. There were field tests with the KPOS G2 which werent even finished since the KPOS produced malfunction after malfunction in an otherwise perfectly firearm, the Glock 17.

        • Peter (BE)

          Hm, build quality looks favorable, time will tell how good it will hold up to use. For the time being no malfunctions yet. The concept has equal merit as a stock on a broomhandle Mauser or an FN GP pistol. Even more so because of the ability of using an optical sight. The Roni fits a niche albeit a small one. No one in his right mind is going to argue the use of dedicated PDWs or long guns for “real” trigger pullers though.

  • I was in Venice in 2010, and bumped into an Italian security guard escorting a money drop with a Roni slung across his chest. It looked pretty handy.

  • Nimrod

    One kind of wonders why the ATF couldn’t simply let them use a barrel shroud that extends to 16″ and is a permanent part of the unit to be considered a legal rifle. I know that’s not how that the longer barrel (shroud) isn’t technically installed on the pistol but the pistol is technically installed on the barrel shroud unit. There is really no difference in installing one over the other.

    • jcitizen

      There are similar conversion kits legally sold that do offer full length barrels. The name escapes me at the moment, but they advertise in (formerly called) Shotgun News all the time.

  • ModelT

    I could see myself owning a RONI for a glock 20 or glock 40.

  • hween

    A dedicated submachine platform is much more expensive and heavier. (mp5, uzi).
    It’s taken decades for a cheap and light subgun to arrive which is the Beretta Cx4 Storm carbine. That and a px4 pistol would probably be the best combo, especially for heavy real world use. I have doubts on the CAA Ronis ruggedness but it is Israeli designed and they are very hard on their equipment.
    Also in third/second world countries weapons are constantly lost or stolen, the Roni would enable them to issue one pistol that would also serve as a carbine.

  • guest

    I think the choice of scope is bad.
    What it could have instead used is a S&B 5-25×56 with a cosine indicator, and also have a bipod and a bayonet.

    And the name, lol. MacaRONI, just another stroke of pure branding genius like the “STD Rifle”.

  • bill

    good fun, a great loophole for places like Australia where semiauto rifles are heavy restricted

    • VanDiemensLand

      Hand guns even more so though.

  • Yankee

    Sorry, a 4″ barreled handgun is not a carbine, not matter how much plastic you bolt to it. Please stop calling it that. I’d likewise argue that an AR15 “pistol” is not a pistol just cause a stock isn’t attached. BATFE regs don’t change the reality of design limitations, they just alter the meaning of words. At best, these exoskeleton pistol attachments can result in better shot-to-shot consistency and maximize the base weapon’s mechanical accuracy, while reducing recoil effects on the shooter. But they do nothing to enhance ballistics or the round’s effects on target.

    Shoulder-stocked handgun does not equal pistol-caliber carbine. Nope. And tactically, taking a secondary weapons system and making it a primary weapons system is not gaining much, IMO. Just because some foreign forces, many of whom are poorly-equipped and trained, are using these things…or airsoft knockoffs…does not prove the viability or performance of the idea.

    You know what would be cool? If my rifle had a pistol attached to it, then I could transition to…oh, wait…

    • kajaja

      All that’s needed is a test, pistol glock vs glock with roni. Done by someone with little shooting experience. Measure for speed and rounds on target. Any of that on youtube?
      I predict huge differences.
      Also just from a size and intimidation standpoint, the illusion of carrying a proper rifle/carbine would be a great deterrent to anybody wanting a shootout.

      • Peter (BE)

        It is more accurate at a farther distance. Fast it isn’t. Preparing the Roni takes about half a minute in field conditions like taking it out of a backpack you are carrying, inserting the gun and activating an electronic sight. Maybe a little less if you train it a lot. I highly doubt that anyone actively looking for a shootout is going to be deterred by anything short of a CNS hit.

        • Cymond

          I think kajaja’s reference to speed was stuff like split times, transitions, first hit from low ready, etc.

    • Peter (BE)

      Departments issue pistol calibre carbines because of enhanced hit probability and greater useable range, not for enhanced terminal effect.

  • Joshua Knott

    Sad part is, we see this same b.s here in the states, pistol AR , arm brace , 4×10 optic ,Harris bipod ,I can’t even ….it hurts me …

  • 22winmag

    I’m going to go hug my Gen 2 Sub 2000 and the Glock magazines that feed it.

  • Goosey

    If the law prevents owning automatic or semi-automatic rifles, or rifles in general, or multiple firearms, or other tough restrictions, this conversion can make sense. I think many readers here forget that.

    • 22winmag

      I get that. However, it’s slavish attempts to comply with grossly tyrannical gun laws that results in firearm abominations like this. If I had a dime for every “rebel” and “patriot” who bent over backwards to comply with ridiculously tyrannical rules and laws, I’d be quite wealthy.

      • MrBrassporkchop

        Or you could sell a binary trigger/pistol arm brace/solvent tap to every “rebel” and “patriot” and be even wealthier.

  • jonp

    I’d almost buy a Glock if I could get a Roni to fool around with. A cheap pistol caliber semi would be great especially if they made it with interchangeable magazines for a pistol. I wish someone…oh, that’s right. I have a couple of the Hi Point’s in my safe. Very fun for not much money and absolutely reliable.

  • Sirpad
    • Peter (BE)

      Interesting. I would really like to know why they would choose those over a dedicated PDW.

  • jcitizen

    I think I’d prefer that mini-UZI with a folding stock better. I don’t mind paying the 200 tax stamp. If it isn’t light, I just don’t cotton to it. I used to shoot SM-11-9 sub guns that were the bomb – very light and controllable, even if they are obsolete as a military arm.