Prices for Breda AR15 B4 line in Russia

In 2014 I saw the first Breda AR-15s at the IWA exhibition.

Probably most famous for their semi-automatic hunting shotguns, it was a bit of a surprise to find AR-15s in Breda’s stand. Named the “B4 line” they are considered as as relatively competitively-priced, high-quality AR-15 variants for sport shooters. I wouldn’t say that the brand is too common among AR15 shooters.

The upper and lower receivers are machined in Italy out of billet, then forged in Germany under Breda specifications. All moving parts, including bolts and bolt carriers, are manufactured in-house by Breda.

According to my information, the barrels are also machined by Breda, out of Lothar Walther 11.5″, 14.5″ and 20″ blanks.

Caliber choice is easy: .223 Remington/5.56x45mm.

Below: Breda B4-C, with a 11,8″ bull barrel from Lothar Walther. To set you back 5 000 USD in Russia, in semi-auto. I doubt fully automatic is available for civilians.

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Below: Breda B4-A with a 14,5″ bull barrel from Lothar Walther with a 1/8 twist.

It uses a Yankee 9.3″ diamond series THM 9633 DX 4 rail Systems with a standard trigger system.

Price – hold on –  5 400 USD.

 

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Below: The Breda B4-SE, 20″ bull barrel, Lothar Walther 1/9 twist. Comes with Yankee Hill Machine 15″ TJ and Competition Series THM-5009-TJ. The trigger is Timney AR-15. The grip is an Ergo Grip with Palm Shelf. Magpul stock. Yours from only 6 000 USD in Russia.

 

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The Breda B4 line

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The Breda AR15s are sold in Russia by Italgun.ru

They seem to have a really nice shop, but the prices are quite different from Europe. Compared to the US, they are sky high.

Here’s a video of the Breda B4-SE in Russian, but subtitles seem to work.

 

Below: Mr. Sebastien Marcon shooting for Gold at the WPC Multigun Intro Match in New Zealand 2016. He shots the Breda AR15 and a Breda B12i shotgun.

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Any more examples where the prices of firearms like AR15 are legal, but sky high?



Eric B

Ex-Arctic Ranger. Competitive practical shooter and hunter with an European focus. Always ready to increase my collection of modern semi-automatic firearms, optics and sound suppressors. Owning the night would be nice too.


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  • Wouldn’t an AR-15 B4 be an AR-10?

    • yodamiles

      It took me 1 day! 1 whole day to get that joke!

      WTF I’m doing with my life.

  • 3gun

    “The upper and lower receivers are machined in Italy out of billet, then forged in Germany under Breda specifications”.

    What?

    • Giolli Joker

      Yep, noticed as well… machining before forging doesn’t sound right.

    • ??

      This is where the $5000 price tag comes from.

  • Lou

    Russia is very strict with buying these. First, you have to be approved for a smooth-bore shotgun and then wait FIVE years to be approved for a rifle. Maximum capacity on magazines is ten rounds and real handguns are illegal (ones that shoot rubber bullets from non-standard caliber brass shells with powder and primer are the only handguns which are legal) . Putin and Medvedev are both against making firearms more accessible (contrary to what Putin worshipers will say) and Medvedev has stated many times that he would like to make Russian firearms laws even more restrictive.

    • JustAHologram

      So they need one of these in .410

      • Red McCloud

        *.366 TKM. It would be possible.

    • Minuteman

      That’s nothing new. The rest of the world has always been, is, and always be a dictatorship. No country outside the US has anything even remotely close to the 2A. Anyway, politics…

      • Green Hell

        Switzerland?

        • Minuteman

          No right to carry and the Govt decides when you’re to open your ammo. So no, not even Switzerland. We are the only [civilized, cultured, organized] country in the world that has an armed citizenry in the 2A sense.

          • Mr. C

            The Czech are pretty good.

          • MeaCulpa

            It does seem reasonable for the government to dictate when you’re allowed to open your government provided ammunition to use in your government provided assault rifle in defence of the democratically elected government.

      • MeaCulpa

        So if a countrys citizens votes unanimously for a ban on firearms and then outlaws all guns, that country is by definition a dictatorship? That seems awfully contrary to all known political science.

    • Bob

      Yes. But as long as a large capacity magazine is not attached to a weapon, it’s OK.

    • Anton Nazarov

      While I agree that gun laws could be improved even further in Russia, reality is that capacity of maga is not capped for sport shooters (e.g.ipsc).
      Permission for guns collection (allows one to have unlimited number of rifles and shotguns) is an easy to get via electronic government portal.
      Storage at home – requirements are quite easy, just a box of metal with lock on it.
      Handgun is a sacred cow indeed, don’t expect civilians to get access to in the coming 2-3 years.
      So, stay calm 🙂

    • Riddick

      A need to protect themselves is one reason Putin and Co. are against firearm ownership. But real reason, had anyone here ever resided in Russia, is actual mental instability of population there. If they are given easy access to real firearms, pistols for the main part and semi auto rifles, their population would be decimated in days, if not hours. Their entire culture doesn’t “get” what gun ownership is and means and if parking space disputes today often end up in use of traumatic pistols (rubber bullets) one can easily surmise what real bullets will do in short order.

      In Tsarist Russia guns were no big deal, anyone was able to walk into a shop and purchase one. But people’s mentality back then was way different as well and eons beyond what current generation exhibits. Its a generational thing at this time, although seeing what’s happening there I don’t think they will “get” what firearms ownership is and means any time soon.

      Just watch their utube videos with daily occurances of traffic infractions VERY OFTEN ending in physical confrontation, sometimes with what’s at hand weapons in use (baseball bats, sticks, knifes, rocks, etc.), then add to this crazy mix firearms. And you really cannot imagine what living in large apartment buildings leads to between neighbors in Russia, and then again add firearms to the mix. Putin and Co. are actually saving the population there from self destruction.

      PS. Oh, and to add to the above. Their laws are pretty stupid to this day when it comes to self defense. One is often forced to call cops and wait instead of defending yourself and your family. So, if some people break your door and decide on raping your wife in front of you Russian law is still on the side of offenders if you decide to attack the animals.

  • Garmanarnar

    “The upper and lower receivers are machined in Italy out of billet, then forged in Germany under Breda specifications.”

    Ehhhh… Machined, then forged? Do you know what those two terms mean?

    • mb

      Forged, as it fake? Maybe they start with a piece of billet Aluminum and rough machine it to dimensions and openings, then press forge the result, sounds like common practice to end up with a forged receiver or any forged item

  • toms

    Again Russia is not firearm friendly!!! I got into it with some guy here who swallows all the Russia cool aide coming from their firearms industry. Having lived there, I can say that the average Russian has no problem with firearms, BUT they will never shoot one outside of military service, militia training, or an expensive range rental.

    1) Real handguns are forbidden except to police/mil/and those special enough to receive one for outstanding service.

    2) Rifles like the one in the photo are extremely expensive and only sold to those with special permits acquired after jumping through numerous hoops. Ammo is expensive too. Mags limited to ten rounds. Must be stored in a safe yada yada.

    3) Even regular Russian guns are 3x more expensive then here. Ammo is about 2x as expensive.

    Russia might have the most restrictive gun laws outside of england ect.

    • Anton Nazarov

      Mags can be even 85-90, should one do sports shooting.
      10 is for hunting.
      Ar-15 are not cheap anymore since 2015.
      Cheapest out of brand new ones is just below usd3000 (20″ chrome lined barrel).
      As for the russian rifles – you can get Saiga-MK in 223 or 5.45×39 (415mm barell, plastic foldable stock, Izhmash produced) at usd450-550 on average.
      What is the price of similar one in US? Or what was it before sanctions were implied?

      Ammo – I do shot .223 produced by Barnaul. Not the best option around the world, but price is abt usd0.11-13/shot.
      Wonder what about ammo price in US for similar product?

      No offense, dude, just providing you with data from.the field 🙂

      • Riddick

        Its not just the price of ammo you guys pay, its the size of salaries there and for us here in USA. Russian ammo here is pretty inexpensive, especially when one looks at it as percentage of salary, its way more expensive for you there. As are firearms prices.

        А насчет оружия, как пистолетов так и винтовок, то проблема, как я уже указал свыше, не в оружии а в людях. Давать дамочкам, да и другим, оружие в руки когда они травматами машут и палят в борьбе за парковочное место это просто дебилизм. Все равно. что дать обезьяне автомат, результат будет тот же. Да и сколько пьянок закончатся печально когда на сегодняшний день, в крайнем случае, закончится поножовщиной. А о сельских дискочах даже говорить не буду…

        Пока население не повзрослеет законы не изменятся. И не должны, ИМХО.

        • Джон Доу

          Травматами потому и махали, что не воспринимали их как реальное оружие. Если ты думаешь, что обычный человек из-за парковочного места перестреляет всех как ковбой в салуне, то у тебя синдром Д’Артаньяна и непомерное ЧСВ, либо профессиональное искажение психики.

          • Riddick

            О, и сразу, как и можно было предсказать, быдло тут как тут. Вот такое мнение и подчеркивает насколько отупело ваше общество когда сразу на “Ты” да и попытка доказать насколько вы там все лучше нас “тупых”. Меньше Задорного надо слушать и больше своими мозгами шевелить.

            А то, что вы там все устроете перестрелки на ровном месте то сомнения ни у кого нет. Травматами не один раз уже стреляли из за парковки.

          • Джон Доу

            То есть, у тебя бомбит как только ты читаешь мнение отличное от твоего и подгорает, когда к тебе в интернете на ты обращаются? Какое ты интересное ебанько, ты в сеть выходишь сразу в смирительной рубашке, видимо, и печатаешь хуем.

        • Anton Nazarov

          well, let’s be specific.
          to measure purchasing power of average citizen it is worthy to use GDP (PPP) per capita.
          wikipedia, referring to IMF, gives for 2015:
          USA – usd56.084
          Russia – usd25.965
          Proportion is 2.16 to 1.

          Let’s have a look at ammo price, think that it is appropritate to compare TulAmmo in USA and Barnaul in Russia:
          TulAmmo in USA: 0.24-0.25/round
          Barlnaul in Russia: 0.11-0.13/round
          Proportion is 1.92-2.18 to 1.

          Conclusion: cost of ammo is on average of the same availability for shooters in USA and in Russia, provided we consider bulk/low end niche. Which is by far enough for training up to 300 meters.
          Thank you for your attention :).

          As for your statement about “mental instability of population there”, I will just leave it here, since this is one of the typical arguments of anti-gun idiots worldwide.
          Just to give you a clue – how do you consider population of Moldova these days, for example? Stable or unstable mentally? Meanwhile, they can own and carry handguns…

  • There’s another, I think more prominent reason ARs and Glocks and Steyrs and Benellis are so expensive in Russia (about twice as expensive): small market.

    From the seller’s side, there is an initial investment into importing a new, yet uncertified firearm, and it cuts into the profit margin, so the price rockets. The insidious catch is you can test and certify just a batch, not the entire model for all further shipments (I’m not even sure how you go about certifying the model, it’s definitely Byzantine). This is an obvious solution, and this keeps the price high by the need to re-certify and test each time. And the batch you import is just tens of guns, to supply gun stores for recreational hunters or well-off IPSC shooters in big cities. This means you’re a small firm, and certification, brick&mortar stores and even online stores cost you a bunch, to sell relatively few guns. So the price rises and rises and rises, and you insert ridiculous profit margins on the occasion you do sell an import.

    From the buyer’s side, you have a 5-year waiting period to buy any rifles (inc. pistol carbines) after buying your first shotgun, so a LOT of potential recreational shooters / amateur collectors / plinksters / movie and videogame fans just don’t gather enough motivation to go through with it. And even if your rifle license finally arrived, you always have a TON of new and surplus Russian guns that are 3-4-10 times cheaper than imports. So again the recreational shooters / amateurs… etc. choose the easy way and settle for Russian rifle, or at least something that’s already certified across the board like Rem 700s or CZs. Rich people, on the other hand, tend to buy proper hunting rifles and shotguns, so tacticool options like these ARs get even smaller market. And you can only buy personal civilian handguns if you’re competing, and that handgun is stored at the club. Hence the $1000-2000 Glocks and $5000 bespoke ARs – in a sense, only a handful of IPSC shooters / idle rich (i.e. not dedicated hunters) will buy them anyway.