Exclusive: World Record 4380 yard shot

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Beware, this is not your average TFB article.

This post is over 3,000 words long, but it is well worth the read if you care the slightest about long range shooting and the gear being used. Please take your time. I’m not a long range shooter (yet), but I got very involved by this story and hope you do too.

It might not be a coincidence that Simo Häyhä, aka White Death amongst the Russians, with over 500+ confirmed sniper kills during WW2 was from Finland.

For most people the Sako TRG M10 is the pinnacle, the unreachable. Rightly so, it’s a rifle with a base price around 10,000 USD. This story starts with base camp TRG M10.

 

Here is Jarno from Finnaccuacy‘s story:

 

We did some shooting, and we did hit 4 005-meter target. That’s 4 380 yards or 2.49 miles for those living in imperial unit part of word.

 

For starters – as I have received quite a few inquiries and some congratulations about new distance record: Firstly – to even break a record, it would require having some kind of rules that everybody must follow. Secondly – how to determine that shot or trials were comparable? I don’t know. Air pressure only make big difference with +10 sec flight times, and we unfortunately did not get any advantage from it. We are located in pancake-flat country by the sea.  It also makes a slight difference with difficulty if 5, 10 or 20 shots has been taken before even hitting anything smaller than barn wall.

Below: A hit! 4 fingers, 4 kilometers.

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Way I see it, if hit is done with one-man carryable rifle and supports, it’s done with couple of shots, and impact is close enough to disable or at least scare living daylight out of imaginary person standing against target, story might be worth sharing with others too.

Shortly said, we don’t care about what somebody else somewhere has done. Policy that has suited for us Finns well before. We just wanted to see how far we can reach with setup we happened to have. Still, and to be honest, we dragged our frame to further distance that some who has announced having world records have ever shot. But not so much because of “records”- just for S&G.

This being said, hopefully we get more people pushing limits. With right setup, enough knowledge and enough people trying it, even longer ranges can surely be done. Our motto was and still is to use normal stuff and commercial gear whenever available – meaning factory ammo, rifles, mounts etc.

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Time for custom solutions.

This was sort of exception, as we built 375 Cheytac on Sako TRG M10 ourselves and factory loads are simply not available. At least here. But still, it’s pretty close to standard rifle anybody can purchase. Only barrel is changed, bolt head is opened slightly, as well as ejection port is larger. That’s it. Bipods, stock, trigger all exactly as they came from Riihimaki factory. TRG M10 action has proved to be unbelievable strong – and we have proof tested it with Cheytac overpressure 5500bar / 80000PSI cartridges with no problems. Headspace has also been checked after shooting pile of +10000 Joules / +7375 ft lbs loads, all ok.

But still. TRG M10 action size is scaled accordingly to 338 Lapua-class cartridges and Cheytac is above this. We do NOT encourage anyone to do same. Safety margins are much larger with dedicated Cheytac actions. +130gr powder charge energy guarantees very bad day to anyone who do silly things, intentionally or unintentionally. One can imagine AR15 catastrophic failure videos. Multiply explosion energy by 6, and you’re in ballpark how bad a day could be if something goes wrong.

Below: 1000 meter zeroing

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Barrel is from Finnish barrel maker Peurala. Note the rifle in the back as comparison.

 

All in all, this was still kind of a milestone to us, on road that basically started already 2003. Both I and my colleague were both curious to get hold of LR ballistic side. Then soon after, business related to high-end optics came along when Finnaccuracy was founded. Optics weren’t available- or rare dealers selling them did not have a clue what they were dealing or what our type of customers even need. From day one, we concentrated particularly on practical long distance precision shooting. We have expanded to various products since, but military type sniper shooting was and still is our bread and butter, and also what we love to do.

We do not shoot groups or tow 25lbs $20000 candy-painted custom rifles from trunk to concrete bench. Way we see it, rifle has to be practical and carryable.

Previous time we did something similar was when Lapua´s radar data was not publicly available, early 2008. Quick Target Unlimited with Cd- drag files proved itself then to us. We were using bone-stock original Sako TRG-42 and Lapua 250gr Scenar factory loads, shooting first-round hits 1000-1400-1600 and ending up with 2nd round hit at 2003 meters or 2190 yards. Target was 45cm wide and app. 120cm tall (app. 18”x45”) reactive plate. Most amazing part, for us at least, was that first time we had access to software that actually takes impacts to target right away on ELR (then), IF input values are right. Naturally- then and now- there is always some luck involved. When target is smaller than theoretical group dispersion, quick prayer to trajectory gods is appropriate thing to do before sending any bullets. But all in all, long range marksmanship is about minimizing variables that can be effected. Bye bye PCB 1.0!

So, long range field shooting has always been a passion to us, and therefore this was somewhat rewarding feedback. But to be honest, it was not only us. We are basically only a visible tip of iceberg inside Finnish sniper shooting community- on both active and reserve side. I even dare to claim that average knowledge and skill level compared against anybody is extremely high, thanks to long Finnish tradition in marksmanship and well organized reserve sniper shooting courses. Especially few individuals have pushed things forward to modern direction both in civ/reserve side and active duty/training side.

Thanks and part of credit goes to whole Finnish sniper shooting community- as well to professionals from various companies. Sako and Lapua have been actively developing products for LR/ELR community, and were involved in this particular event too. Special thanks to them as well.

 

The GEAR:

Weekly portion of dramatic prefix should be filled now – gear list and how it was actually done.

Rifle:

  • Sako TRG M10 base rifle
  • Finnish Peurala CrMo barrel with .375 CIP dimensions. 10” twist, 31” length made from 32” blank. Final slug check / hand lapping done by me.
  • Terminator T4 muzzle brake
  • Chambering: standard Pacific Tools 375 Cheytac reamer
  • Support during shooting: prone, TRG 42 bipod with Finnaccuracy M10 bipod adapter. TRG M10 adjustable monopod

Ammunition:

  • Cases Bertram 375 Cheytac (lot with malformed shoulder..), 3rd reloading cycle, necks annealed after 2nd round
  • CH4D dies- neck sizer only used so far
  • Cutting Edge Bullets, 352gr MTAC, COAL to 0.1mm / 0.0039” jump. G1 0.890, G7 0.408 according to Applied Ballistics measurements
  • Primers Federal 215 – normal, not match grade
  • Powder Vihtavuori N570, 2015 lot. Charge 126.5gr.
  • Muzzle velocity (climbed during day) final string with 936mps / 3071fps average

Rifle optics:

  • Hensoldt ZF 3.5-26×56, std reticle
  • 22MOA picatinny riser with improved recoil stopper
  • Recknagel adjustable 0-70MOA mount with app. 115MOA mod
  • TRG M10 30MOA integral rail
  • Total cant approximately 167MOA
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Customized Recknagel mount on top of 22MOA riser and TRG 30MOA original rail. Total cant angle approximately 170 MOA. Note the custom writing.

 

Other:

  • 4 spotting scopes: 3pcs of Zeiss Diascope 85, one Zeiss Diascope 65 with Finnish army fine milling reticle on 30x Wide Angle eyepiece
  • Steiner Military LRF 8×30 R SUMR, Vectronix PLRF 10 + 15
  • 3 pcs of Labradar velocity radars
  • Military / artillery grade laser range finder
  • Tracker Android GPS + maps, with GPS+Glonass support (non-differential, accuracy under 2 meters)
  • Vaisala VM30 wind sensor (used in firing position)
  • Field laptop with Quick Target Unlimited v. 3.9
  • Android Shooter used too on side, for comparison
  • Several Kestrel weather stations
  • Towable target frame
  • Wireless Kongsberg acoustic target system (used on 1000m zero verification, max range app. 1000m)
  • Crew: Shooter, ballistic field office manager, forward observer, 2 spotters located on firing point. One person verifying/logging set values + tracking sent projectile MV:s from radar.

Event started with last day changes, how else. Not sure if this part of story is too interesting- but as everybody ever competed know, something will with no exceptions go wrong just before important event. Destiny did not fail me this time either, but we had to do it as participants had arranged spots in very busy calendars. More about this on our pages, will try to keep this version short. Full version with mishaps will appear to our pages later. Shortly said, original plan was to shoot with S&B PMII 3-27 with 34mrad turrets.

Shooting day

We started with 100 meters zero, and checked same time our other TRG M10 with 338 Lapua Mag barrel for Lapua Scenar 300gr factory load tests. We were curious to see how this latest Scenar works beyond 2000meter mark. This rifle was equipped with Schmidt&Bender 3-20 Ultra-Short, also offering large 34 mils travel from latest low profile double-turn MTC/LT turret. Scope was installed with IEA modular KH QD mount, 60MOA cant wedge. This added to M10 integral cant picatinny, total was 90MOA.

375 Cheytac zero was done with five shots. Scope turret bottomed to zero, impact was 26.8 mrads high. Last two after windage adjustment were very close each other. This elevation was used as base for further calculations, as zero POI offset value in ballistic application. Just before shooting started, I found out that my bubble level was sitting on table back home. This was serious setback. During both zeroing and shooting, reticle and rifle must be in absolute vertical level. This was difficult, as there wasn’t horizon reference visible. Velocities were compared constantly, with each and every shot. In beginning, we had several Labradars pinging side by side. This was to ensure that none of our new units happened to be Monday-morning special giving silly readings. All showed identical velocities, so we had confidence to pick any of them and proceed with single device only.

1000m zeroing

After zero was done, we hauled our base camp to 1000meters zero check distance. Meanwhile, also Kongsberg acoustic target was prepared for use. This saved lots of time- and shots too. For reasons mentioned in full version of story, I was trying to keep shot count in absolute minimum. Luckily I realized that my CTK all-purpose gun level could be used on rifle during shooting. I happened to have it with me for scope installation we did previous night. Integrated sturdy rubber cord seemed strong enough keeping level in its place during shooting, as it did too. First 1000 meter shot aiming trough sight reminded that something unusual was going on. 1000 meter zero was on reticle upper portion, about 20mils over center cross when turret bottomed to zero. When aiming and seeing target on top portion of reticle, ¾ of FOV was on close proximity terrain. Silly view!

5- Shot fairly good grouping string proved elevation to be correct and exactly where we expected it to be. Windage zero was 3 clicks off, error very likely caused by unintentionally tilted rifle on 100m zero. It was a mishap costing extra rounds in next 3000m range we went. Hensoldt turret zeroing requires loosening big flat-head screwdriver like nut on top of turret. Same design was originally presented on Finnish Army Sako TRG42 Zeiss Diavari scopes, and it can be tricky. Locking nut head is designed to fit 338 Lapua Mag case head rim. Machining and dimensions are spot on, but case head grip is far from proper big screwdriver- and case has to be pressed sideways against nut hard. I have done this dozens of times with army scopes. Problem is that turret must be hold absolutely still with one hand, while (often) unnecessary tight nut is turned counter-clockwise with other hand holding case as a tool.  And classic thing happened- same time tight nut opened, counter force of fingers holding turret rotated it to right unknown amount of clicks. After several carefully assorted curses, I decided to leave it as it was with no further adjustments. Just careful tightening to prevent further damage.

After successful zero (with a small blemish), we moved our ballistic base camp to actual shooting point. Barrel got some TLC in this point too, few wet patches followed by several dry ones.

Cleaning after verified zero

Next distance was 3000 meters or 3281 yards. Terrain spot was higher, so we needed to get idea of wind and other related effects. Ballistic software was truly benchmarked too first time. We had used QTU successfully before on extreme ranges, but only with Cd radar data. At this point, my favorite general-purpose looking glass Steiner Military LRF 8×30 SUMR laser bino was not enough with app. 2000meter ranging capability. Same happened with Vectronix PLRF 10C, it stalls at around 2500meters, and 15 does did not go much further. We proceeded with GPS + maps and mil-grade LR laser.

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Bipod is Sako TRG 22/42 original, attached with FinnAccuracy’s own adapter which will be on offer soon.

Wind was coming almost behind, average 7 o’clock. Magnitude 2-3 meters per second or 4-6 mph, so not too strong but still gusty. Mirage was moderate, air temp was 18C (64.5F) in beginning and warmed soon to 22C (71.6F). Mirage changed from small to moderate, but there is always some mirage with such a long range in summertime. We got elevation sorted close with few shots even with restive and raising muzzle velocities, but windage took bit longer time. This was partly because of messed up turret, partly because finding out effective side wind average with uncertain or not-seen impacts. Spotters- especially other one, was also very experienced, but calling winds for such a long distance was new thing to learn for him too. I was basically blind monkey flipping a switch instantly when told to do so: Elevation needed for 3k was already so much that I was shooting with low magnification and plenty of hold-over- not much chance to see details from tgt area. Besides, I had my hands full keeping rifle still on target- aligned and in perfect level same time. Comfortable prone position is hard to achieve when muzzle is literally pointing towards sky- buttplate angle against shoulder was silly, not to speak of cheek rest as scope was very high.

We had Vaisala VM30 wind sensor which turned out to be excellent aid, but when looking bullet path with spotters, mirage was changing directions every now and then. With ranges this long, even several opposite wind directions can easily happen. Main thing was still to keep eye on shooting point Vaisala, as roughly 50% of total windage deflection form in first third of trajectory.

Shot count was 15 when we got everything finally sorted and good hit on target. Good meaning that everything matched. That particular shot MV (MV = bullet muzzle velocity) was same we used on ballistic software and actual elevation adjustment matched perfectly to QTU firing solution on same time. Also most importantly and with that particular shot, I knew shot was good. As mentioned, maintaining readiness and bubble where it should to fire in 1-2 seconds after permission from ballistician-on-duty was extremely cumbersome thing to do. We did not use heavy sandbags or other methods not belonging on to true field rifle- just original TRG42 bipod and M10 original monopod. Which is excellent by the way.

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Also MV deviation was settling down in last 5 shots, although higher than expected. Could be caused by barrel temp, pre-heated cartridges in chamber or something else. Cartridges were never chambered all the way while waiting wind to settle within pre-adjusted corrections, but some heat may still transfer during pauses. As ammo count was decided to keep as low as possible before 4000 meters, we stopped there. Case ejection was also giving warnings in form of light jamming, so it was really pointless to continue.

Morning started with around 925mps / 3035fps, and now highest individual shot was already 3084 fps or 940mps. Further calculations for final 4k push were adjusted according to average 936 meters per second (3071 fps) assumption.  Each meter per second (3.3fps) change on MV would cause 0.2mrad (80cm/31”) vertical POI shift at 4000 meters. Coriolis Effect only shifts impact 0.6mrad / 2.4m / 2.6yds with 4000m fight times by the way, so there was really no room for unpredicted changes. Atmospheric conditions were 22C/71.6F, 996mbar/29.41inHg/RH 78%, DA 513meters/1682ft.

As we had statutory refreshment pause (except poor crew member hauling target 1000m further), I decided to play around with Android Shooter same time. Just to see what is says. With verified 3000m POI, I had to use much higher BC than A.B. verified .408. Otherwise firing solution seemed to make sense.

Tapped in next range 4000, and realized instantly that we are in trouble with elevation correction. Android Shooter solution was over 100 mrads (its +1000 clicks btw) of elevation, and from top of my head I was uncertain if it could be even arranged. Hensoldt 3.5-26 has smaller FOV than originally planned S&B PMII 3-27, meaning less room for silly amounts of hold-over.

Took a look through scope and crunched numbers for exactly required hold-over, and realized that only way to get it was to go almost lowest 3.5x magnification in order to see enough reticle. Luckily, target was made rather big for this particular reason, being 2.4 x 2.4 meters or 2.6yds square piece of art cardboard. One of our crewmembers even politely painted huge bright crosshair on it, leaving trigger monkey no uncertain feeling where exactly to aim it.

Same time, target was fine-positioned and checked for clear line of sight, and first time I realized how long distance it actually was. It was far, ridiculously far. Very hard to even see with bare eye, but surprisingly still ok visible with 3.7x (or so) magnification. Target was ok, and we received permission to shoot.

 

Below: Rifle pointed exactly at 4 005 meters TGT, or 4 380 yards / 2.49 mile.

Look at the setup and the angles on the barrel vs. scope. There’s a target far, far out there. They hit it. Think about it.

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For first shot, I took correction from Android, using “calibrated” BC. Impact not seen or heard, by spotters or FO. We stopped there and thought it through. MV was low, couple of meters per second under ballistic solution assumption. Meanwhile our on-duty-ballistician also appeared on site, he was meditating in he’s Olympic Opel (Audi) command vehicle. He crunched numbers again for 4000 with QTU and result was over 2 mils more elevation. First shot had to therefore been way low- correction and MV of particular shot were both in same direction.

Second shot was sent, and about ten seconds later firing point spotter catched 90% certain splash just next to target frame. Also that individual shot MV was close but little under target velocity, so very likely it was so. Third and fourth rounds were sent in rapid pace to same wind. Right after, FO informed with radio that he had heard something after these shots. He was not in close proximity to target, so he wanted to check target. Shooting was stopped and we waited.

And there it was, a clean round hole in cardboard.

40cm (15.7″) right and 60cm (23.6″) high from center.

To be honest, it is uncertain if it was 3rd or 4th shot that actually was a hit. But later, after examining MV:s of string, 3rd shot MV was very close to predicted, and 4th shot should have been over 2 meters / 2 yds high. So with good probability it was particularly 3rd that made the hole.

After small moment of circular back-tapping and couple of high-fifes, we sent 2 more rounds downrange. MV:s were still high, continuing in same level with 4th shot. Also case jamming was getting worse, so we decided to stop. Purpose of trial was achieved, and there was possibility that jamming is caused by excessive headspace. And we had no way to check it. After all, we had been beating TRG whole day with rather warm +10000 Joule / +7250 ft.lbs loads whole day, so better safe than sorry. Shoulder bumping seem to take Bertrams to 3rd reloading round fine, but not further. M10 headspace was checked later, and it passed it (again) with flying colors.

 

Below: Perfectly round hole, punched by 100% stable bullet. Easily enough remaining energy for any soft target.

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Links:

www.finnaccuracy.com (Organizer- optics, lasers, ballistic software, mounts, M10 accessories)

www.sako.fi/defence-law-enforcement

www.lapua.com

www.vihtavuori.com

www.peuralanasepaja.fi (Peurala barrels)

www.pacifictoolandgauge.com

www.cuttingedgebullets.com

www.ch4d.com (dies)

www.mylabradar.com

www.kongsberg.com

www.hensoldt.de/

www.zeiss.fi

www.steiner-defense.com/

http://www.vectronix.ch/

www.vaisala.fi

www.kestrelmeters.com

www.recknagel.de

www.terminatorproducts.co.nz

www.tracker.fi (GPS + maps application)

 

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One important hole in the paper

– Bullet flight time to 4000m = 11.2 seconds.

 

There is no film from the World Record as the location is secret, but this is from another event with the same rifle but some different mount (Spuhr) and scope (S&B).

Below: Short video from a TRG M10 test. Field zero checked at 1265 meters, aiming reference bottom end of visible stick. Consider the size of the .375 Cheytac cartridges.



Eric B

Ex-Arctic Ranger. Competitive practical shooter and hunter with an European focus. Always ready to increase my collection of modern semi-automatic firearms, optics and sound suppressors.


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  • A bearded being from beyond ti

    4000 meters? I can piss longer than that.

    • Gary Kirk

      You hanging it outta X wing at full throttle? But then that’s distance covered, not achieved

      • A bearded being from beyond ti

        No, im sticking it out the window on my apartment, pissed all the way to the castle!

        • Budogunner

          Not sure if you are a fan of White Castle or “The Golden Arches” based on that comment.

          • A bearded being from beyond ti

            Im talking about the Royal Castle here in stockholm.

            Also there are no White Castle’s in sweden.

      • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Plus 5

  • Colin

    So you hit a stationary target the size of a back of a bus over 4km away . You hit it on shot 3 which took over 11secs flight time. Great science BUT what’s the practical everyday actual use .They make cars over 200mph but where can you drive them all day everyday. Maybe a 2km+ one man one shot one kill carryable 24/7 usable reliable rifle is the way to go. 338Lm anyone .boys will be boys with rich man’s (military ) toys .how’s it on deer ,moose ,Isis ?

    • DGR

      Why cant you do something for the sport of it? What is wrong with doing something for the sake of doing it, for the simple reason that you haven’t done it yet? What would life be like if nobody ever pushed the boundaries?

    • PK

      Practical? Everyday use? You must be new to hobbies. Practicality isn’t why people have hobbies, generally speaking.

    • What’s the point of climbing Mt Everest or the Olympic 100m race? To see what humans can do.

    • stephen

      Sooo lets not push the envelope or develop better products because they are not “practical everyday use”.

      Most advancements in the world come to light because people went way past everyday use. When the impossible was achieved those developments and technology filtered down to ‘everyday use’.

      Just saying

    • Klaus Von Schmitto

      If the guy can hit the back of the bus at 4000 meters I’d expect that a moose, deer, or a terrorist would probably be in real danger inside of 1200 yards.

    • micmac80

      Anti material rifle mean anything to you , A .375 hole in a jet or helo parked on a tarmac and its not flight worthy anymore

      • Tritro29

        Helicopter is less problematic for take off and limping to the next base. Jets that’s more interesting. Soft skin vehicles too.

        But at that range Anti Tank guided missiles are far more interesting and more reliable. But this, this is amazing.

        • Schnee

          Except this is $5 per shot, easily portable. You don’t need a squad of akbar cheerleaders to haul it around, and you don’t need the CIA to buy you ammo.

          • Tritro29

            You have a vast choice of 4km+ ATGM’s on the black market that are not BGM-71. Thus portable by two people while carrying kit including this rifle.

    • Tassiebush

      There isn’t some rule that snipers are only allowed to take one shot. Sure at 600m it’s probably highly preferred but 4km of distance equals a fair bit of impunity.

      • Tritro29

        And at 4000 m, the target will never know where it came from

        • Tassiebush

          Absolutely! They probably wouldn’t hear it and they may well lack the means to spot where it was coming from and they’d have such a huge area to search. Then there’s the matter of what means of retaliation would they have available?! It’d only be artillery or airstrikes.

    • Sam

      I know, right!? I mean, that’s what I been sayin’ ’bout those dern fully automatics these days! It ain’t got no damn practical everyday application!!! Glad they’re banned! We don’t need to be explorin’ outside the already established boundaries! Stay in the lines!

      Like my ol’ buddy Joe Biden said, “Buy a shotgun!” Now that’s everyday practical, right there.

  • Ευστάθιος Παλαιολόγος

    Pretty short length that scope, compared to it’s actual magnification

  • Anonymoose

    Incredible! Does it feed from the magazine or do you have to load each round individually?

    • PK

      With the opinion expressed of what is and isn’t a rifle, it wouldn’t surprise me for the ammo to be within the maximum length to feed from the mag for that setup.

      “We do not shoot groups or tow 25lbs $20000 candy-painted custom rifles
      from trunk to concrete bench. Way we see it, rifle has to be practical
      and carryable.”

      • FarmerB

        No, I don’t think that follows, and it doesn’t really matter.

      • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        That doesn’t make sense. This guy is practical but uses factory spec ammo. What you are suggesting isn’t factory spec

    • Edeco

      I was thinking it’s weird it happened with a repeating receiver. Would not have expected that.

      • micmac80

        As M10 locks up in barrel extension its relatvely cheap to convert just a new barrel , barrel extension and bolt and when it done old bolt and old barrel can go back for continued use.

        • Edeco

          Ah, interesting. Makes sense why they chose it, but I have this idea that single shots are stiffer, so assuming there’s people pushing both kinds to the limits I would have expected any one shot records to come from a single shot.

    • FarmerB

      At this range and in this situation, it doesn’t matter.

  • Jon Fox

    Lee Van Cleef fan?

    • TechnoTriticale

      perhaps just showing what you can do
      For A Few Dollars More

  • Tritro29

    Letting the Duchy of Finland become independent was the single greatest mistake of those Bolsheviks. The Finns remind us that at any possible occasion. ;-)/ Great article.

  • Russ Kell

    I’m happy to make decent groups at 1,000Y. Zero’ing at 1K Meters…that makes me 🙂

    • FarmerB

      I know people that zero at 1300m.

  • Gus Butts

    This article makes me feel bad for having a $3,000 rifle and high magnification scope to shoot paper at 50 meters.

    • iksnilol

      You should feel bad for that. At least simulate range and use .22 LR at 200 meters or something.

    • The_manBEar

      Could be worse … saw some one with both of those shooting at 75 FEET at an indoor range last weekend

    • Budogunner

      There is a deficiency of outdoor ranges in my State. I started a new precision rifle build but stopped, realizing I might actually only shoot beyond 100 yards once per year, at best.

      Please, Bud’s Gunshop and range, buy some land in the bluegrass and establish a group of loyal customers for a minimum 600 yard range. 1k would provide the opportunity to host more competitions.

      • hingedthinker

        bummer. we have a great range out to 1350yds. $30/day to visit. 🙂

      • James Young

        Start a range yourself. If there’s demand, but the land, build the range, and make it happen.

        • Budogunner

          I don’t have the capital that Bud’s does…

      • Ben Pottinger

        Which means your in my state. I have access to a 100 yard private spot but understand the issue with longer ranges. That said if your anywhere near Covington then we have Miami rifle and pistol just over the river that has a 600yd range and 3 hours north is thunder valley and it has a 1000 and I believe a 1 mile section.

  • Nicks87

    “rifle has to be practical and carryable” I couldn’t agree more.

  • M-cameron

    wow….so one shot in a target the size of a small house is all it takes to set a “world record”..?

    let me grab my M249 and ill set some “records” at 6K…..

    • Sam

      Lol no you won’t. I bet, at 2.5 MILES, you could dump an entire 200 round drum at that target and miss every single one.

      But good one! Har har!

  • Andrey Osnovsky

    Ha! Col Mortimer!))) You are the best guys, but Im giving female names to my rifles….

  • Schnee

    This article makes me feel good about my 1970 dated Finnish M39 Mosin. Rifles of the white death indeed. Putin, take note. Those are some crazy people who will ruin your day if you decide to get stupid.

  • FarmerB

    Boy, this ultra long range stuff is starting to heat up in Europe. We have friends in Norway this week at the same range mentioned here earlier this week. Now we see nice collaboration of the Dutch, Belgians, French, Danes, Germans, joined by the Swiss (with a few foreigners as well) and lately the U.K., with a hookup this year with talented Italians and now the Norwegians. Now we need to get in touch with the Finns.

  • The_manBEar

    ‘Powder Vihtavuori N570, 2015 lot. Charge 126.5gr.’

    Sweet jeebus and I felt like a bad ass throwing a 21.5g charge in some 300 blackout 😐

  • guest

    slightly off-topic, or perhaps very on-topic as to how this is in any way practical in any way in regards to military applications.
    It’s not. I will not go into the deep and almost mythical world of anti-materiell rifles that supposedly render a multi-million jet sitting on the tarmac useless with a couple of shots from a huge distance, instead I will simply say this:
    those of you that follow military conflicts around the world on the net (especially Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Yemen etc) have all probably seen it for yourself that ATGMs and MANPADS are the ultimate “cheats” on the battlefield. No tank, no APC, no plane, no helicopter, no car and no group of individuals is entirely safe from these weapons. All sides LOVE using ATGMs especially on even such non-standard targets for those weapons as for example just a couple of soldiers in an entrenched position, a car with fewer than 2 passengers, a suspected enemy location inside a building etc.
    Why?
    Though the cost of these weapons would not necessarily justify such ample use on such low-priority targets consider this – a Metis ATGM round is so dumbed down it does not even have an internal battery or gyroscope, and costs just slightly more that a standard artillery shell.
    Anyone with an IQ of above 70 with acceptably bad eyesight and about as much physical strength it takes to carry 2 full plastic bags of groceries in equivalent weight can deploy the most commonly used ATGMs after very little training and “snipe” targets as small and as mobile as anything there is to see on a modern battlefield at ranges usually reserved for expert marksmen. And so they do exactly that.
    While here it took an expensive rifle with mods, with expensive scope, with some boutique components for ammo to hit make a small hole in a target the size of a barn door on a soft target, which would be about the only such other equivalent target on a battlefield (unarmored, extremely frail, large, stationary etc) while a toothless Houthi rebel can light up an M1A2 Abrams up into a sparkling ball of flames by scoring a hit on the rear side of the turret at several clicks away with a weapon just slightly heavier without any preparation, with the bar for required skills set extremely low… and succeed with the first and only shot.

    … and in the meanwhile extreme range sniper kills take several snipers who are literally the creme de la creme of their profession hours of preparation and a simultaneous shot from several positions to kill some Afghan snackbar from about same range. Just think about the disproportionality of actual cost vs results here, which is simpler and more practical.

    • Gary Kirk

      WTF are you rambling on about there sparky?

    • Nicks87

      “while a toothless Houthi rebel can light up an M1A2 Abrams…” I get your point but thats a bit of a stretch isnt it? Most M1s that were taken out by man-portable systems were hit at relatively close range and the guys that did it were well trained and well equipped insurgents. Now when it comes to IEDs your toothless rebel probably has a much better chance at disabling a MBT but it takes some serious ordnance to turn one into a “sparkling ball of flames”.

    • DGR

      What’s your point? Why cant someone take a long range shot for fun? Why does everything need a military purpose? I thought we wanted to legitimize the shooting world by itself, without relying on the “military purpose” clause as a crutch…
      Seriously, why cant we just enjoy shooting and push boundaries for the sake of having fun.

    • ghost930

      You are “technically” correct. The problem is, and we saw it in both A’stan and Iraq, every time you use an ATGM type munition you produce collateral damage and death which in turn makes more insurgents, and is a recruiting tool for the bad guys. Same with drone strikes. Precision target interdiction is harder, and cost more, but most things that are worthwhile do. A bigger less discriminate “hammer” isn’t always the answer to the problem. And, as one other commented said, sometimes you do it because it’s fun, and don’t sweat the military applications.

  • MindMelder

    No video……zzzzzzzz

  • hingedthinker

    and I made a shot at 1350 with a .308. I hit on the 8th shot after correcting on 7 shots with a spotter. And some interweb hero said I was crazy and a liar. Ha. Suck it punk.

  • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    “was that first time we had access to software that actually takes impacts to target right away on ELR (then), IF input values are right”
    Hey guys, anyone know what software he is talking about and what ELR means?
    Still reading

    • RSG

      Extreme long range

  • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    I have a 338LP. This article sure is giving me big rifle envy. But you know, since I already have 338LP ammo, maybe I should just save my pennies and by a Sako.

  • Giolli Joker

    Glad to hear there’s some real development on the 14.9.
    I thought it was dead after, as 14.9 SOP, it made the news, then nothing…
    I see they changed bullet design and supplier and they dropped the SOP denomination.

  • Whitney Philbrick

    Wow, a 3 yard effect just from bullet spin? Impressive effort!
    There should be a “standard” for a long range record, one thought is it needs to be repeatable? Say 10 shots to get 1 hit, then wait an hour and shoot 10 more get a hit and it’s a record? Just an idea…

  • NormB

    I’d be really interested in knowing the SD of those handloads. “Each meter per second (3.3fps) change on MV would cause 0.2mrad (80cm/31”) vertical POI shift at 4000 meters. ” It’s rare to see a handload with very low single digit SDs, 6 fps is commonly achievable, meaning an approximately 120 inch dispersion (+/- 6 fps) at 4000 yards, you’re talking about a long-range shotgun, not at all practical.

    • Marc357

      I will have Kari ask. 😉

  • Anthony “stalker6recon”

    That’s a piece of artillery, not a rifle. The round must have hit the ground just inches from the target, wish we could see the trajectory from barrel to impact.

  • dltaylor51

    I put together an Armalite AR-50 BMG with a nightforce scope for a fraction of the cost and get just as much more bang for the buck,I get about 28 or 29 shots out of a pound of powder so its not really cheap to shoot but i load my own premium grade ammo for about $1.90 a shot.The gun is the cheap part its everything else that adds up in a hurry.Would love to have one of those high end hot rods but the buy in is to steep.

  • jerome

    I guess you could keep a couple in a guard tower on base lol. Maybe they could put them on a little red radio flyer wagon and make sure the axels are well lubricated.

  • RSG

    Coriolis effect of 2.6 yards under his conditions. Meaning, without compensation, a miss of 7.5 feet at 4000 yards. WOW!!!