World’s First Implant-Activated Smart Gun

Smart PS90

Amal Graafstra has been biohacking since 2000. For those not familiar with biohacking, it is the implantation of a device to interact with technology. The basic ones I have heard of are magnets embedded in finger tips. Other examples involved injecting a small RFID into your skin. That is what Amal has done here. His company, Dangerous Things, sells self inejctable RFIDs. It is considered body augmentation. Coupled with the right technology you can unlock the door to your house with just a wave of your hand.

Amal created a safety mechanism and installed it into an FNH PS90. The trigger is physically locked unless his RFID or any programmed RFID unlocks the safety mechanism. One benefit to implanted RFIDs, is that it is very difficult to misplace the RFID if it is inside you. Most of us, myself included, are always skeptical of smart gun technology. However Amal does acknowledge those issues. He says that this type of safety mechanism could be made to be fail-safe or fail-secure. In a fail-safe setup, the gun will be unlocked in the event of the battery dying that powers the safety mechanism. Another option is to make it fail secure where the safety is still engage even without power. One issue that was not mentioned is how long is the gun unlocked for? How quickly does it lock itself once the registered RFID wearer is no longer in proximity to the sensor in the gun?

 

I can see the attraction to having technology help aid a firearm owner however the same issues can be addressed with a simple gun lock or safe. It may be analog but it still works.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • noob

    Hmm. Isn’t it possible to record somebody’s rfid with a smartphone app and play it back to unlock the device?

    Another thing is that there are credit card sized rfid jammers that prevent thieves from sniffing your paywave cards. Would this lock all the guns in some radius around the user? Would having a rfid jammer on your person to deter the theft of your paywave details also make you unable to use your own gun?

  • MasterBlaster

    Typo in title: impant

    • TVOrZ6dw

      Yes, should be inpant- I was born with my inpant smart gun…
      TFB – love you guys, thanks for putting up with us. 🙂

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        Really? My experience has been that most inpant guns were pretty stupid.

        • Billy Jack

          Hard to conceal carry without inpant guns.

      • John Flynn

        I think you may be on to a better idea. “Inpant-Activated Smart Gun.” Put the RFID in your skivvies. When you are scared enough to soil them, the gun activates. It would also pretty much prove you were in fear for your life.

        • Amplified Heat

          “Skid-marks detected; lethal force authorized.”

        • Billy Jack

          That’s prejudiced against the constipated.

    • Billy Jack

      Not impotent.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Anything can be hacked, broken or made to malfunction.

    Pass.

    • Simin

      Like a safe?

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Yes, like anything.

    • Ramsey

      I agree. Who wants all those complex parts that can break at any time. That’s why I stick to horseback for travel.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Do whatever but im not having a surgical implant just to shoot my gun that works just fine already.

        • Anonymoose

          I’m not getting any surgical implant until the technology gets better. “Biohackers” and that guy who bolted a Google Glass to his face are fools.

        • Ramsey

          Totally personal preference, I get that. I just hate the knee-jerk reaction poo-pooing any new technology added to firearms.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            If people want to do it thats fine but it shouldnt be the law.

          • Evan

            I don’t think anyone poo-poos new firearms technology, as long as it is designed to make a gun better. This “smart gun” nonsense is literally about making guns not work.

          • Billy Jack

            It’s about safety. Parts of our society have bought into being safer if only…

            Never mind fixing the psychological and economic reasons for violence or chasing down all dangerous activity. New tech is a poor substitute for rational responses to social problems.
            ——–/
            On the original issue
            No Luddite here. I love my 400 horses under the hood and satellite navigation. Put a computer in my rifle if it will make it better. Sign me up for a digital fork if it will make food taste better and not make me fat.

          • Evan

            The issue is that it isn’t actually about safety. It’s fools who are entirely ignorant of guns and their workings attempting to push their misguided notion of “safety” on people who know better. You want to put a computer in a gun, do what Tracking Point did, or something lIke that. Just don’t sell it for $10,000 per unit, cause nobody can afford that.

      • LCON

        New fangeled Horses can break there legs.. That’s why I use two round rocks with a pin drilled though them lashed to a sleigh with a hole cut in it for my legs to go though…. YUBA DUBA DO!

    • Blake

      Well normally I would agree with you but as a maker who has been tinkering with RFID/NFC for years I would have to disagree with you here. It would be impossible to hack this if once the RFID tags are programmed you lock the receiver. There would be no way to either disable it or change the approved tags without actually removing the receiver from inside the gun. Also, if the receiver malfunctioned (which I’ve never seen happen in my entire time hacking them apart and modifying them) it would stay in the unlocked position. As far as “smart guns” go, this is definitely the best implementation I’ve heard of.

      I have an RFID chip embedded in between my thumb and my pointer finger and all I have to do is tap that part of my hand up against a certain point on my steering wheel and my car starts up. There is no (easy) way for a burglar to steal my car without doing some serious hacking with a saw. Plus I never have to worry about car keys. I would never switch back to the old system.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Nobody should ever use the word “impossible” when referring to an infant technology and its ability to resist intrusion.
        Somebody will find a way.

        I prefer to keep my guns out of this situation. They shoot when I pull the trigger. Period.

        • Blake

          Uh this tech definitely isn’t “infant”. It’s been around for decades, and is used to lock up some very very expensive/dangerous items at insanely secure sites.

          Using it in this specific manner is new, but it’s been used in locks for decades. Is it all that useful for regular civilians? No. But for cops who’s guns might be grabbed by people that shouldn’t have them? Hell yeah.

          • BattleshipGrey

            As a LEO I’m completely opposed to my leathal weapons using electronics to fire (or not). That’s why we work on weapon retention drills so that hopefully bad guys won’t get our guns. I’m not a big fan of mag disconnects but that’s also an option for some.

          • Billy Jack

            Is it adding another point of failure, inability of a partner using your weapon in an emergency or something else that makes you hesitate to using an electronic primary sidearm? Just curious.

          • Blake

            Well with RFID you can either have the entire force using tags that are programmed with the same ID, or set the receiver inside the gun to accept the IDs of every officer.

          • BattleshipGrey

            All of what you mentioned and a general distrust of electronics. I hadn’t thought of loaning my sidearm to another officer, but my playground is quite rural so that wouldn’t be ruled out. I’m also not sure of how easy RFID is interfered with. If it’s possible to interfere with an RFID signal, bad guys will try it.

          • Blake

            This isn’t an electronic in the classic sense. There isn’t a bunch of code to freeze or not work, there aren’t batteries to die, and there aren’t any major push/pull forces to mechanically make it fail. RFID is about as simple as it gets. I can totally understand the preference to just having a standard gun, but I also think it’d be rad to have the option available to any officer who does want that extra layer of security.

          • BattleshipGrey

            I get that the RFID chips aren’t a very significant electronic component themselves, but how is the gun locked until the appropriate time? Wouldn’t the RFID signal unlock the gun through electronic or mechanical locks? Also, if an RFID gun is simply stolen, given time, couldn’t said thief just dismantle the gun to remove the added locking system?

          • Blake

            The only thing I know about the specific mechanism inside this gun is that it’s a fail-safe design. Which means if something breaks or the power source fails it stays in the unlocked position. Is there some insanely small chance of some weird thing happening and the mechanism failing? Sure, most likely.

            And yeah, if the gun is stolen the thief could just remove the RFID mechanism. This system is mostly just to make sure no one can use your firearm in any specific situation, not a long term and permanent solution in that sense.

          • Billy Jack

            Actually this system referenced does have batteries that die. Read the article. You can decide if it fails to always on or always off. That leaves you with a broken gun that is worthless in an emergency or what you would have with any non-electronic firearm.

        • Bill

          Conversely, no one should use the word “impossible” when developing new tech. I’m sure the Wright Brothers were told what they were trying to do was impossible, at least a couple times.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I agree but we aren’t talking about a revolution in military technology.
            People have been talking about a revolution in war fighting since macnmarara and his geniuses decided how or win the Vietnam war with the ar 15.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            You’re a law enforcement officer. Not a soldier.

      • Amplified Heat

        You do realize that if this tech becomes at all common, that remotely scanning & duplicating your chip’s signal is quite straight-forward? For something as valuable but ‘physical’ as a vehicle, it may or may not be an issue, but for bank records or for stuff you need to live (like a gun) the risk outweighs the convenience.

        Scenario; common thug with an internet connection builds/buys a code-reader antenna, hangs out in front of a mall or movie theatre. After collecting a number of codes, begins wandering around the parking lot pinging locks until a door opens for a quick, easy, alarm-free theft invisible to the casual onlooker.

        Right now burglars use this exact tactic to intercept & exploit remote garage door locks, even those “encrypted” ones. I think rolling encryption or code-switching would be the only means of avoiding this, and you won’t get that from an unpowered ‘dumb’ implantable this size of a grain of rice.

        • Blake

          This tech has been massively common, and has been for 20 years. Duplicating an RFID chip is not really possible except under very strict circumstances. They are extremely close range, as in they can only be read from 3-10cm (can be set during manufacture). This is because they have no battery or power source. They have a copper coil that, once brought near a receiver’s powered copper coil, is powered via the closeness of that coil just long enough to transmit it’s unique ID code.

          So you’d have to get within an inch of the chip to (inside someone’s skin) to read it. There’s no way to somehow duplicate the scanner inside the firearm. And the chip inside someone’s skin can be scanned, but as long as it’s locked (as the vast majority of them are) it can’t be changed.

          So your scenario doesn’t fit this technology. They can spoof those garage door signals because they are long range. These are incredibly short range.

          • Billy Jack

            Which gets back to readers and their power supplies as a point of failure. The firearm in this new system requires a battery which will die.

          • Blake

            And when the two AAAs die after 1-3 years of use it dies in a fail-safe mode if chosen (gun stays unlocked)? How exactly is that not beneficial?

      • MiniBus

        Interesting. Raises a question to those (like me) not all that familiar with the capabilities of RFID technology. Couldn’t someone wave a RFID scanner near your hand and use the gleaned info to start your car, or fire your rifle if it were so equipped?

        • MiniBus

          Just saw your post lower down about this technology having a three to ten cm range. Thanks.

    • Billy Jack

      Don’t worry. Someone will scan that RFID implant and others and create a means to avoiding the chip altogether. RFID isn’t the kind of tech you want “impanted” or implanted. It’s weak. Go to YouTube and see guys walking the streets with a grocery bag scanning every passport and RFID chip that goes by. We are years away from affordable reliable fingerprint scanning that would make this practical.
      Think the military wouldn’t like arms that enemies could never use? But they aren’t using it on vehicles or small arms. If the liars and thieves can’t sell it to them it ain’t remotely ready.

      • Secundius

        Unless YOU Plan to SCAN Virtually Anybody and/or Everybody YOU Come In Contact With. Knowing that, That Person is Carrying an Implant RFID Chip is Going to be “Virtually Impossible”…

        • Billy Jack

          Unless YOU can use capitalization correctly, speak IN Complete sentences and create intelligible arguments I won’t be able to fully respond to you.

          You can store your response on a RFID chip and embed it in your hand and I’ll get back to you later.

          • Secundius

            The Problem with RFID Chips, are there are Proximity Keys. Buried Under the Skin, You would to Literally Make Physical Contact of the Person to Get A Reading. AND, unless their Wearing a T-Shirt saying that “I’m Wearing a RFID “Embedded” Chip”. You’ll NEVER Know. And SOMEONE Acting To Drunk To Walk a Straight Line, IS Going to Get Noticed In A Hurry.

            Side Note! Most Websites, People Can’t Spell for SH|T or make Coherent Sentencing Structures. And So EVEN Write the Comments in Chinese, Klingon, Leetspeak, Latin or those Stupid Facial Characters…

          • Billy Jack

            Thanks for restating your point. What most people do isn’t the issue. I’m not a stickler for grammatical precision in the age of autocomplete. I just couldn’t understand your argument. While offensive language is a no no here slang is acceptable. Capitalizing words doesn’t make your logic more sound.
            I will stand on large organizations not implementing RFID in small arms or vehicles as reason enough for me not to participate in this manufacturer’s experiment/R&D. My non-electronic firearms don’t need batteries. As for hacking the system, I’m sure it is rock solid for eternity like all the systems with much more money and mind power invested in them.

            I’d also suggest people beware of dishonest businesses attempting to use the current political climate to cash in on untested products. Cutting edge often means bleeding edge. Not exactly what you’d want with your life on the line.

          • Secundius

            AMPY, a type of Gravity Generator that uses Motion to Generate Power. My First was about the Size of My Ankle Bone, that Latests Version AMPY is about the Size of a Deck of Cards. Within TEN Years, Probably about the Size of a Watch Battery. Which could Easily be Hidden on a Handgun or Use the Recoil Action of the Barrel as a Regenerative Power Supply. With a USB Port a Secondary Power System ALWAYS On Your Person…

          • Billy Jack

            Cool. Hook up a prototype and post it. Wrap the end of your AR piston with copper wire. Put a USB connector in your stock.

            Can I inquire about the random all capitalized words? Would you say you’re a promoter of capitalism?

          • Secundius

            Make You Queries to DARPA…

          • Billy Jack

            I think you should. You write much More better.

          • Secundius

            The Technology Exists, it’s just a Matter of Time when its Used…

          • Billy Jack

            I’d prefer to leave the electronics out of my projectile weapons unless it’s a mini rail gun.

          • Secundius

            As I Recall, the .50-caliber “Smart Round” Not Only has Smart Electronics, but a Micro Turbojet too. And Yet Everyone Wants One, Isn’t that Called a “Oxymoron” or being “Hypocritical Thinking”…

        • Foohbard

          Mark of the beast… no thanks.

  • Travis

    There was a time when I loved computerized technology….. Now, in only my mid-twenties mind you, I far prefer “simple” mechanical equipment, especially in the piece of equipment that I stake my family’s life on.

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      The older I get, the more I hate tech. Give me a mechanical device over something computer controlled, and I’ll be happy with it 95% of the time.

      • iksnilol

        That’s only because you aren’t good with comps, right?

        • Sunshine_Shooter

          Nah, not really. I’m 25 and been around computers all my life (well, since I was 5) and even worked on people’s computers in high school. I’ve just seen so much tech introduced to make life simpler and easier that only serve to do the opposite that I’ve come to appreciate a mechanical device that is reliable and can be fixed.

          • iksnilol

            I can appreciate that view, but I also like some of the added tech. I remember first time using a diagnostics program on a car. That was an eyeopener for me… then again, I am really not a fan of “limp” mode in cars.

          • Amplified Heat

            It helps that OBD is finally somewhat standardized, and the onboard computers sophisticated enough to do more than turn on a ‘trouble’ light 😉

          • iksnilol

            Well, I like it at the “only turn on a warning light” stage considering limp mode ruined my day once.

      • Bill

        So you’d prefer a car with a distributor and gapped points instead of electronic ignition, and a carb instead of fuel injection?

        • Amplified Heat

          You only say that because you aren’t good with tune-ups, right? 😉

          • billyoblivion

            You ever drive a vehicle from sea level over the (a?) continental divide and back down in 2-3 days?

            Have you ever lived at 6000 feet, and driven up to 10k on the weekends?

            Had points fail?

            In many ways modern motor cars are MUCH more reliable than even a generation ago (1996)

            That said, I’ve got an old HJ 60 Land Cruiser that’s got automatic NOTHING that would be a hoot to drive more often if the state wasn’t so persnickity about emissions on a 30 year old vehicle.

    • Amplified Heat

      There’s a lot from the end-user standpoint that’s been getting worse. Compared to the leaps & bounds seen each year in the 90’s (I still recall installing Incredible Machine as a child via DOS prompts complete with crude codebook theft-proofing measures) the actual “stuff” we do with computers is definitely stagnating. Twitter –a mechanic that honestly could have been implemented thirty years ago during the earliest days of the ‘net– is among the most ‘innovative’ uses for the nearly endless supply of processing power & peoples’ time in recent memory, and Pokemon Go constitutes the most technologically sophisticated child’s scavenger hunt ever conceived (centrifugal bumplepuppy, anyone?) And the interfaces used to do that stuff are ever more needlessly flashy & resource intensive, the cramming-in of more ads and intrusive data-trackers being the sole justification for improving specs any further, it seems. I can only conclude that we’ve reached the useful end of Mohr’s law, but that it’s human programmers, developers, and users that are the ‘weak link’ obviating the need for new quantum leaps. The stagnation is even more starkly evident when it comes to “high end” video games, where the technical resources required are exponentially growing, but the end product from the human eye’s standpoint is increasingly indistinguishable with each new generation (vague memories of Duck Hunt & Maniac Mansion, here, lol)

      • iksnilol

        Hey, at least Pokemon go gets people to excercise.

  • AK

    Fail-safe in this case can be interpreted both ways. Having the fail-safe deactivate the gun completely can be more dangerous for the bearer. This is why the whole concept is invalid when talking about firearms. Plus the usual arguments of hackability, etc.

  • Maxpwr

    The government or criminals (but I repeat myself) will love tracking you with your self-implanted RFID and remotely disabling your firearm by jamming the RF signal. Let cops and military use it for 50 or 100 years and I might think about it.

    • GaryOlson

      But, but, buuuutttt…jamming RF signals is a against the law! This argument has no basis since you don’t have any experience with jammer interfering with your RFID unlocker. You really should implement this because common sense shows it will work.
      EOS #end of sarcasm

  • Tim Barrera

    Realistically, we are still far short of this being viable tech for home defense or LEO guns, but it does open up an interesting avenue.

    new manufacture NFA items

    Its been argued that a lock that can only be opened by one person(short of cutting out the chip) is total control. Can’t sell it without having ATF do a transfer to new RFID…. so its controlled by a backgrounded person, so why can’t new FA guns be made? They can’t be sold short of cutting your chip out…

    The problem that remains is it is unfortunately too easy to hack RFID chips, so if the gun was stolen, it would open up a black market of gun hackers….

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Yeah, thatll happen.

  • xa

    Excuse for social control.

    • Voice from East

      Exactly.

  • Rick O’Shay

    In the world of firearm safety, everything has one job. A safe has one job. A lock has one job. An alarm has one job. You can improve, hack, modify, tinker… whatever… to make them do that job better. Those mods come at a cost, though. Whether it’s added expense, added time, added complexity, added failure points, you need to strike a balance and figure out what you want to give up in order to gain added functionality.

    A gun has one job. Don’t f**k it up by trying to make it do something else, because there will be a trade off, and any trade off you have is going to come at the cost of that one job.

  • David Harmon

    No thanks chubster.

  • Roy G Bunting

    Smartguns will be useful when they do something better then a locking box. The potential for preventing gun takeaways is interesting, but doesn’t seem to justify the increase in complexity and failure points.

  • Texas-Roll-Over

    Don’t be fooled here ladies and gentlemen. This man cares not for anyone’s safety but has the smarts to go after the market. He only cares for the potential money that will be made.

    Cops will not like this feature, civilians will not like this feature, but politicians will love it. The market is growing regardless of what normal gun owners think. Where there’s a market, there is money to be made.

    Politicians will force it down the chain of command. Police departments, possibly even military units will be forced to upgrade their pistols. The cost of upgrades will be payed for by tax payers. Users will be put at a greater risk due to mechanical or electrical failures. And meanwhile tech companies will be profiting off perceived safety.

    There are huge ramifications to personal and civil liberties here that are not discussed

    This is not the way and people that support this technology are not your friends.

  • Lance

    More scary news that the mark of the beast is coming.

  • Darren Hruska

    So, inject yourself with nanomachines? I now need a friend named “Drebin,” me thinks.

    • Anonymoose

      Nah, man, he’ll just give you Foxdie and cause you to inadvertently kill your parents. :

      • LCON

        You know Every day that Goes by these last two years, I am just amaze how much MG GOTP seems a pretty much to describe what’s happening in the world.

        • mrdakka

          I’m pretty sure Hideo Kojima is actually a time traveler from the future.

  • Cal.Bar

    This is FANTASTIC! I recommend we implant ALL State and Federal LEOS first and let THEM try it for a few years and hear how it goes. (then I will ignore it entirely)

  • spencer60

    And when he gets knocked down and has to use his other hand???

  • Pod

    Smart gun technology won’t work as a retrofit for a long-term security solution. If I got ahold of this guy’s PS90, all I’d have to do is open it up, disconnect the “smart” system, and re-estabilish the mechanical linkages. Now, if something was cut or filed down where I couldn’t do that, I could just order the correct parts from FN and put a new assembly in. Boom, smart gun rendered “dumb”.

    For a smart gun to be viable, it needs to be an all-new design where the smart systems are integral to the gun and not just an add-on.

    • Anomanom

      But logically you would have to know that such a system was there. If it was completely enclosed in the receiver, you probably wouldn’t know it was even in there until it didn’t go bang.

      • Pod

        True. In my hypothetical, assume I acquired the gun without him knowing and have time to discover and remedy this. Obviously in a firefight I can’t hack his gun apart and disable the security 🙂

      • jamezb

        A gang banger might not figure it out, but anyone here would.

    • iksnilol

      So… how’s hacking apart the gun, ordering new parts and then installing said new parts gonna help you in a fight?

      • Pod

        Yeah I forgot to include that part in my hypothetical. Assume that I took the gun from this guy without him knowing and had time to work on it. During a fight, I’d have to have some sort of jamming device on me. Or chop his arm off…

        • iksnilol

          I tihnk if you manage to chop somebodys arm off in a fight that a firearm is the least of your worries.

          Damn Rail Tracer pretending to be worried about simple stuff like gunshots.

  • Anomanom

    You know, i’m really not opposed to this idea. But I want some *real* smart guns. Targeting smartlinked to my glasses (or my eyes), heads-up digital ammunition counter, automatic ballistics correction.

    • Amplified Heat

      Yeah, how about that stupid palm-chip turns on a laser or red-dot sight, or automatically dials 911 if inside the home & the safety is switched off. There’s like eight or so functions far more intrinsically useful than adding yet ANOTHER sear-blocking feature. Ironically enough, the ATF actually made the PS90 ‘stupider’ and less safe by requiring FN to remove the safety-sear that prevents out of battery detonation of primers on the (accurate) grounds it made the guns easier to convert to full auto. Yeah, it also makes a blowback gun a lot safer for everyone, and yet that’s not the overriding concern for the Bureau pimping ‘Smart Guns’

      It has nothing to do with safety (said everyone, always)

  • jamezb

    As an added feature, a signal sent by a simple tool supplied free to law enforcement will not only lock your gun, but also cause the RFID capsule to explode, releasing cyanide into your system.
    I’m only being 50% sarcastic here..

  • Joe Schmo

    This is so dumb. This guy said he’s a “gun enthusiast”, meanwhile he is apparently against the constitutional ownership of certain firearms. He is not going to win over much of the gun community with that sort of mentality.

    He mentions that he would like to work with manufacturers on similar projects, I don’t see that happening.

    Civilians, Military, and Police will not want this.

    1. It is likely very expensive. Current guns will need to retrofitted or new designs will have to be made up. And despite what this guy said about guns being very simple, creating a robust and modern design has proven very difficult for many companies. The US military is still using the M16/M4 because it works very well, and new designs haven’t provided enough of an improved performance to constitute buying new rifles for a whole military. I doubt they’d want to retrofit thousands of rifles with tiny computers, or even worse, buy new rifles with tiny computers.

    2. It requires a PHYSICAL modification to the human operator that most people will not be comfortable with. I can’t think of anyone I know, civi, military, or police that would want to put a chip in their body. I certainly don’t want some strange man in a garage injecting a RFID chip into me.

    3. It limits the available users:
    – Civilians like to have their friends shoot their guns, they wouldn’t want this. They may want to sell their gun after a while, how would the RFID system work with a new owner?
    – Police may need a partner or fellow officer to use their gun in a firefight, they wouldn’t want this.
    – And the military issues thousands of guns to thousands of troops, and those troops will likely need to be able to use each other’s guns, so they will not want this.

    4. There is not telling how reliable this RFID reader in the gun is. How will it perform in different climates? How does it perform wet? How does it work after being dropped? How does it hold up on guns with more recoil than a 5.7x28mm carbine? Military and police do not want something if it isn’t going to work under adverse conditions. And civilians don’t want something that may or may not work. Civilians buy Glocks for a reason, they work 99% of the time. This chip reader probably will not.

    There is no market for this, and it is insulting to gun owners for this guy to imply that there are too many irresponsible people out there to keep selling certain guns. He may not have meant it that way, but that’s the way it comes across. It is normally best to be involved with or have a great understanding of the market you are selling to, and it would seem this guy is not greatly involved with the gun community or have a great understanding of the community.

  • joe tusgadaro

    Welcome to our cyberpunk future…

  • Smedley54

    This has a lot of potential, and if it’s imperfect right now, it still sounds a lot better than safes, keys, combinations, and bracelets. And a whole lot better than my granddaughter hurting herself. Security of any kind comes down to something you have, something you know, or something you are – that’s it. Those are your only choices, and they’re always imperfect.

  • Amplified Heat

    Good lord, man, just think of the money to be made selling chipped fingers on the black market!

  • LazyReader

    A magnet sewn in his finger….thousand dollar procedure
    or… one glove, a magnet and some hot glue, 25 bucks.

    • iksnilol

      Uh…

      RFID isn’t that simple, buddy.

  • 22winmag

    Look!

    A ridiculous solution looking for a problem.

  • Marcus D.

    This reminds me of the –who was it, S&W?–who invented an rare earth magnet safety device. The magnet was in a ring, and opened something int he grip that allowed the gun to operate. this is so much the same and yet so much more complicated. The more something becomes complicate, the more room Mr. Murphy has to operate.

    Also note that if the gun was designed to fail unlocked, a simple defeat is to remove the batteries.

  • mazkact

    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO………….HELL NO

  • jerry young

    I’m not a fan at all of RFD chips or them being implanted, this is going too far, they started by putting computers in our cars now cars are nothing more than expensive junk that breaks down easily and the average back yard mechanic cannot fix them without spending a fortune, this has brought nothing but added unneeded expense to the auto industry and now the government can track your car 24/7 and have remote control of your car, this is what will happen when people accept RFD chips implanted in them, the government will know where you are and what you’re doing anytime they want and will be able to render your firearms useless, there will be no need for gun confiscation if they control when they work or not, this is just another form of government control!

  • King of 21 Jumpstreet

    Headline should read “Seth Rogan look-a-like proves smart guns work for dumb people”

  • Billy Jack

    “This isn’t an electronic in the classic sense. There isn’t a bunch of code to freeze or not work, there aren’t batteries to die”

    You clearly were not limiting your remarks since you did not state that and you were replying to the person regarding the entirety of the system. My firearms needing an additional component to function is not acceptable to me at all. It’s not acceptable to others here. Since schematics of the interior locking mechanism of this new product were not provided we don’t know what other parts could fail.
    Your RFID saturated lifestyle sounds very interesting.

    • Blake

      It’s so funny to me how people will replace Milspec triggers with packs that have a handful of additional parts in them and other very similar upgrades but when an upgrade like this comes up it’s “one additional part is unacceptable”. It’s especially funny to me when the device has a built-in system that forces it to fail-safe if it ever does fail.

      Yeah I’d be very interested to see exactly how this guy implemented the tech. Hopefully he plans to open source the design files.

      I’m a maker and a tinkerer, so instead of waiting for the slow ass economy to bring me new tech and products I make my own. My entire room is controlled by my voice, my security system automatically recognizes if it’s me, my roommate, or someone who shouldn’t be there walking through the place, I don’t think I own a single piece of tech that’s warranty hasn’t been voided, and yeah I have a few RFID/NFC door locks and of course my car. I love it.

      • Billy Jack

        Forgive my questioning your enthusiasm. I had another reply that’s awaiting moderation with info on how to scan RFID chips from 3 ft away and obtaining cryptography keys. I apologize in advance for questioning your agenda but I included a valid source of information that contradicts some of your assertions regarding RFID chips.

        Optimizing a trigger is different than what’s basically a high tech embedded gun lock. The politics involved in restricting access to firearms are really heavy now and taint what would be viewed differently under different circumstances.

        • Blake

          RFID is a family of standards. Just like the word “lock” can describe a vast amount of different lock styles with varying levels of security, RFID describes a multitude of different protocols. There are long(ish) range examples, but the majority of RFID implementations are close range. In fact the ring I wear to unlock my phone and hidden gun shelf has an embedded NFC tag that’s positioned in such a way inside the ceramic ring that it limits the range of the tag even more – down to about 1-3 cm.

          I don’t see much of a difference from the “more components to make my gun work” argument. If the argument really is about not reducing gun reliability then adding tiny set screws, springs, and bars could be a huge liability. Especially in the mechanism needed to actually fire the weapon. Once you start straying into mandatory gun locks or anything institutionalized everyone starts to get uneasy, myself included. That’s something that no one wants.

          Part of the reason I am and like being a maker so much is I don’t have to wait for the slow ass economy to bring me new technology. I’ve been using RFID/NFC for years and it’s only been the past (maybe) two years that I’ve started seeing it pop up in commercial door locks, Bluetooth speaker auto-pairing systems, and tap-to-pay. Same goes for this whole “smart home” and “internet of things” bloom. Back starting with the RFM69 915MHz radio chips, then onto the ESP8266 WiFi chips I’ve been making my lights, security system, appliances, and A/C internet accessible for years. The greatest thing about the maker community is the willingness to share and help others out. It’s an outstanding community to be a part of.

  • Steve Gwilt

    Oh great. That bad guy not only steals my gun but now my hand too. Gives new meaning to the word “hacked”.

  • Matt

    2 things:
    1. What happens when the person’s right hand/arm gets injured, can that person fire the weapon from the opposite hand?
    2. Why not develop a “smart” system for vehicles? Wouldn’t there be less accidents/injuries/deaths if a vehicle could be locked out from an unlicensed person from driving or if their license is expired? Or better yet uninsured drivers? Well that wouldn’t work because of all the illegal immigrants now wouldn’t be able to drive. My ex-wife was rear ended by an illegal with NO license, insurance and registration so guess who was on the hook for paying for the repairs…that would be me.
    Of course people would be crying foul if they couldn’t drive without an implant or “smart” unlocking device, but for guns the liberals are all about it. But guess what, one thing is a Constitutional right and the other is a privilege.

  • Just Wayne

    Perfect! A device the government can switch off at will (Shakes head).
    How about inventing a device that can control a human, something that makes them understand right from wrong so they never use a firearm with criminal intent, we could call it a ‘BRAIN’ and those who disobey we could call ‘CRIMINALS’ and put them in something called a ‘PRISON’.

    What I’m saying is the problem is people, what’s next, a knife that only becomes sharp after it registers a RFID chip, or fuel that only becomes flammable when registered?

    Does anyone really think that it’s a good idea to have a weapon that you depend on to save your life reliant on electronics…
    If the concern is having a weapon taken away and used in a crime, consider how easy it would be to cut this RFID tag from someone’s hand and permanently tape it to a gun. In ten years this tech might be good enough to work without delay, but I think it would cost more lives than it would potentially save. Until it’s in every weapon that is manufactured and sold across the world, and not a single non RFID chip firearm is in circulation anywhere in the world, it’s a stupid idea.
    This gun control push is like making everyone drink alcohol free beer because some people drink and drive. Instead of punishing everybody for the actions of a few, let’s use the law as it is, and enforce it without this PC bullshit, even if it means one race is more likely to be prosecuted than another.
    15 years automatically for having an illegal firearm on you, no appeal, no argument, it was tried once, I can’t remember where, but it was stopped by the democrates because those convicted were mostly one particular race, PC costs lives, enforce the laws that are there.

  • Patrick ONeil

    I’ll never buy or desire any “smart gun”. If it has a microchip in it then it can be fried and rendered useless by static discharge, moderate EMP, or simply fail like ALL chips must do. The gun can, by design, be inactivated remotely (how’d you like the feds or any hacker to be able remotely inactivate your firearm at will?). The only way I’d ever accept one is if it fails on. If the chip gets fried then the weapon is activated. Naturally, this makes the entire point of “smart gun” rendered moot but there you go.

    I could gut a simple microwave oven, put a directional horn on it, and fry an RFID chip from a distance (or make an EMP gun – designs you can find online!). Zip! Your gun is now a decoration for your wall

  • Mustascheo

    I bet that if one REALLY wanted to, the mechanism could be removed from that rifle pretty quickly. I also imagine that the implant could be removed from the owner fairly easily after his incapacitation. I also don’t trust that the government wouldn’t be able to hack it an prevent the firearm from being used.

  • CavScout

    This is a BAD thing. If someone develops it, liberal anti gun peeps will push to make it required. In places already down the gun control tube, they’ll actually pass that BS. In states like mine, Minnesota, we’ll have to fight it every legislative session. So how is this good? A tech that’ll be too unreliable for use for a LONG time, yet required or on the plate. Also EXPENSIVE and INVASIVE.

  • brainy37

    Lets ignore the huge amount of obvious editing that went into this and start with the major issues.

    1) This isn’t about safety, this is about control. As he said it himself, this is about controlling the gun after it’s left the store. How long after it’s introduction will there be legislation to make the smart card render the weapon “fail safe” at battery failure or by introduction of a government command? And after the Apple fiasco we know how much the government loves back doors. This is adding another line of attack on firearms.

    2) Your weapon would be limited to you and anyone with a similar implant. That means family couldn’t just pick up the weapon and defend themselves. They would have to be chipped. After a certain point of overlap, people would need to be chipped multiple times. RFID’s are not great for multiple signals.

    3) Extra cost. These things aren’t cheap. Don’t expect the addition of this technology to a regular firearm to be handled by the manufacturer. Getting a unique chip, the operation, and the hardware in the firearm can easily reach over $100 extra or more. Now add that with any family member or trust member and the cost starts to add up.

    4) Failure: Batteries aren’t the only thing that will fail. If your firearm is a working gun then it will be exposed to a lot of different elements. How long will that ardino board hold up after being submerged in salt water, mud, or oil? Remember that these are small compact things. They aren’t hardened with thick insulating cables or solid connections. These are going to be standard gauge wire. Anything larger is going to start requiring a change to the actual firearm to accommodate the extra space needed. This is fine for range queens but not for a gun intended as a serious training or working gun.