Review: Midwest Industries Kel-Tec Sub2000 Gen 2 Optic Mount

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After seeing Tim Harmsen’s video, I had an impulse to get this optic mount and see how it runs on the new Sub2000 Gen 2. I called my local gun shop and they had a Kel-Tec Sub2K Gen 2 in 9mm Glock Mag for $500. I ran over and picked it up on June 6. Then I ordered the optic mount from Midwest Industries. Andy Yohnk sorted me out. The mount was to arrive on Thursday which would be perfect as my friend and I were going to a local club practice that still had a steel match stage left up.

Here is a video from the steel match I shot on Sunday June 5th. I shot it with my CZ Scorpion Evo3.

 

Before the Midwest Industries optic mount, running optics on Kel-Tec Sub2000s were a compromise. With the old Gen 1 Sub2ks an optic or top rail would interfere with the gun’s ability to fold completely.

One method of mounting an optic was the use of the Red Lion Precision indexing handguard. It allows for optics to be mounted but you have to unscrew a locking ring, rotate the handguard and retighten the locking ring.

Here are some old pictures of my Gen 1 Sub2000. When I heard about the Gen 2 I immediately sold it off. And now just recently acquired the Gen 2. It was the Midwest Industries optic mount that sold me on getting this gun again.

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Unfortunately the optic mount got delayed by UPS due to Train Derailment.

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So in the interim I used my Holosun HS503C red dot on my Samson QD Mount. Unfortunately I cannot completely fold the Sub2K with the optic on it. But since it is quick detach, I can remove it to fold the gun.

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More importantly I was surprised how well this setup works for fast shooting even though the gun is light weight at 4.25 lbs and has a 9lb trigger pull. Here is a video showing how the Kel-Tec Sub2000 runs on the left over 36 steel target stage.

 

The gun and optic are precise enough for my needs and then the optic mount arrived the next day on Friday.

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Installation was very straight forward. I had to back off the screws a bit so that the MLOK threaded washers could do their job and lock onto the polymer handguard of the Sub2K Gen2. Then it is just a simple matter of screwing it tight to the handguard.

The MI optic mount has to be installed into the fourth MLOK slot due to the storage position and charging handle. When stored you lock the charging handle back, turn the optic 180 degrees, fold the gun and turn the optic back 180 degrees. I opted for putting the mount on the right side of the gun so it would not interfere with my left support hand.

The only tricky part of the installation was tying the piece of paracord. Make the loop too long and the charging handle can smash into the optic or the mount. Make it too short and it can’t loop over the charging handle even when it is locked back to the rear.

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When all folded the Sub2000 is still compact and the optic mount only sticks out a little bit. The only downside is that the bolt is held back and open. But even without the optic mount and the gun is folded, the chamber is still exposed anyway so this is a moot point.

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Due to the height of the optic mount required to clear the buffer tube when folded, this mount positions the optic too high to co-witness the irons. You can sort of look underneath the optic mount or just swing the optic out of the way if you need to resort to irons

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Last Saturday, at the last minute, I decided to go take the Kel-Tec Sub2K out for a spin in a local USPSA match. Unfortunately I did not have time to zero my red dot. Here is the video from last Saturday’s USPSA match running the Kel-Tec Sub2000 with Holosun HS503C mounted on the Midwest Industries Optic mount.

Aside from not having a zeroed dot, the Midwest Industries optic mount worked as expected. As I explained in the notes of my video, the folding nature of the Sub2000 is actually a benefit for USPSA pistol caliber carbine (PCC) division. At this moment there are only provisional rules regarding the use of PCC in USPSA. It is up to the match director how a shooter brings his rifle up to and off the line. At this match I was told to bring the gun bagged and flagged. After I am done shooting a stage the range officer has to check the chamber and insert a flag. It is easier to just fold the gun thus exposing the chamber and making it easier to insert the chamber flag. The Midwest Industries optic mount just swings out of the way. Not hitting steel was embarrassing and annoying since I know that this gun and I can do a lot better. That is what I get for not zeroing the optic. But I knew that going in. Now I had to zero the optic to make sure the mount can hold zero. Here is a little test I did at my local range using their 6 plate rack to test the gun after being zeroed. This is the type of precision that I require for this gun and optic setup.

Some things to note, while I was zeroing my Holosun I noticed my groups were all over the place. Then I noticed there was play in the optic mount. The MLOK screws had come loose. I simply retightened them. I am not sure if perhaps I did not tighten them enough when I first installed them or if the gun will continue to vibrate the screws loose. It is something for me to keep my eye out for in the future. Another issue is with the position of the optic. Even when using Samson QD mount, the optic was positioned so far forward the ring reticle of the Holosun is almost as big as the aperture of the optic and it obscures more that I would like. The Midwest Industries mount is positioned just a little more forward which exacerbates this issue. So it is a waste using this optic on this gun setup. I cannot benefit from the Eotech like ring reticle. Luckily the Holoson HS503C is dual reticle and I can switch to just a 2 MOA dot.

Small idiosyncrasies aside, this optic mount is a perfect solution for having an optic on the Kel-Tec Sub2000 Gen 2. It is quick and easy to deploy. Best part is that it is not terribly expensive. The only thing I would change would be to make adapter plates so you could mount pistol MRDS like RMRs, Fast Fire, and similar red dots. Also they could make a picatinny rail that could be screwed into this mount allowing the end user more options in optic choices. I think a Trijocon MRO may be short enough to work on this setup.

The Midwest Industries optic mount retails for only $99.95 on Midwest Industries website. Click here to find out more information.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • James Caid

    Where did you find a Kel Tec Sub-2000!?

    • Sianmink

      Were plenty at the gun show the other week…
      For between $550 and $600.

    • Nicholas C

      I called around the local gun shops. Three of them have Sub2000s however only one had it in Glock 9mm and they were the most expensive at $500. Everyone else had in in either .40s&w or M&P 9 for less.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    That certainly is….something.

  • Joe Schmoe

    100 dollars for para chord retention on a reciprocating part. Just how bubba can you get? Maybe a “value” option down the line with some baling twine or zip ties. I swear……

    • Jwedel1231

      You realize there is more than paracord being reviewed here, right?

  • YZAS

    Well, that is really pretty cool. A definite advantage for USPSA, to be able to fold quickly like that.

    I don’t compete with mine, so a Hi Lux Max B-dot on a ADM QD 1/3rd mount works great. Sits at the perfect height too. I don’t find that it loses zero at all that I can notice, but I’m not exactly bench shooting for groups at 300 yards either. That’s not the point of the gun for me. At 100 yds and in, I can’t notice any shift. I think that paracord thing might tweak me a bit with this mount, but if I needed the quick fold capability for matches, I’d definitely consider that option.

    In case anyone is interested…. I’ll pass on one very cool option I discovered with my Gen2. It’s almost too cool not to share: I put a FAB Defense BSR-1 under barrel rail on the barrel. It fits perfectly in that space between the handguard and front sight. In fact, it ‘rests’ perfectly right up against where the barrel tiers up to a slightly larger diameter, so it aint moving forward a hair. Almost like it was meant to be there. (One thing about the sub2k, anything you don’t lock down, will move forward. Even thought it’s only a PCC, that bolt slapping around really jostles things loose). So anyway, that BSR-1 allows me to run a TLR-4 under the barrel/front sight and have an IN-LINE light and laser right at my extended finger tip, without changing my grip even a little bit (I run a Magpul AFG1, with something of a costa-C clamp grip way up front with my index finger riding in front of the AFG). All I have to do is extend my index finger and I’m on the light/laser. It’s super light, keeps the gun sleek, never have to take it off, closes right up with the gun, doesn’t add to the length at all. And it means if I need to slap it open quick and not take the extra 2 seconds to put the red dot on, I still have a light and laser ready immediately.

    I heavily modded a couple of Gen 1’s and have had a ton of fun with these little PCC’s. If you like effing around with things, these are the best little fun ‘project’ guns out there. The Gen2 saves you a lot of the work though you’d have to do to a Gen1 to get it right (swapping front sight, mounting optics, etc). But the biggest difference? The 40% larger ejection port. My Gen2 runs like a top. Not a single FTE stove pipe yet with a ton of rounds down the tube. My Gen2, like others have noted, every 300 rounds or so, will stove pipe a casing on the way out. Not hard to kick out of there, but it always does unnerve me a little.

    Anyway, at this point I could write a damn book on these things, so I babbled on enough already. Maybe someone will check out the BSR-1/TLR-4 thing and really dig it. I know much of what I learned was from people passing stuff on that they tried, so back at ya peeps.

    Peace

    • YZAS

      **correction: of course meant ‘my Gen1″ stove-pipes every 300th round It’s almost uncanny, I can almost tell when it’s coming now.

  • Dakota T

    Wonder if this will work on my Black Spider Optics Micro? If anyone has any idea let me know.

  • Cymond

    Wait, wait, wait …. How are you running a suppressor and iron sights? I thought the threaded barrel was under the front sight, and that front sight had to be removed to access the threads.

    Also, cool optics mount, I haven’t really kept up with Sub2k accessories. This makes it a more desirable little carbine!

  • Paul O.

    Another option that is less complicated and allows for the gun to almost completely fold is a 45 degree offset mount. Also allows for use of the iron sights with a slight gun movement.

    Also I noticed the butt pad in the article’s pictures. Mine beats my shoulder up too. Wouldn’t think a pistol caliber carbine would do that, but it does have a heavy bolt. Think I’ll try a god-a-grip pad on it.

    Thanks for the article!