Walther Q5 Match – Where are the Irons With Red Dot?

Walther Q5 Match

Walther recently released their Q5 Match handgun to some fanfare. Based on their PPQ platform, the handgun would likely be a smash hit from the beginning. Its got great ergonomics, an utterly fantastic trigger, and its got the looks. Still, I contend they omitted a major component that will ultimately hamper the Q5 Match’s success

There is no provision to use iron sights with a red-dot (minus the Delta Point Pro).

Having shot with and without a red dot on handguns on a variety of occasions and on personal handguns (I also have the Suarez Defense Red Dot Adapter in for review), believe having a red-dot only sighting system on a handgun can detrimental to performance.

The problem comes from a phenomenon known as “chasing the dot.” Basically it refers to when a shooter pulls the handgun into firing position and cannot find the red dot. Immediately the shooter will start moving the handgun around trying to find (ie “chase”) the dot, not having any reference to find the dot relative to their position of the handgun.

Iron sights, even if not Zero’d (they should be, but I digress), are the perfect reference point to ensure that the handgun is aligned in the sight plane. One can immediately see the relative position of the muzzle, correct, and pick up the dot from there. Its instinctual.

An adapter for iron sights? What?

An adapter for iron sights? What?

Instead, the Q5 Match has an adapter plate that can accept either the irons or a red-dot system. Frankly, there’s a reason no company has done similar…

I’m not the only one to say so. Ian from Forgotten Weapons had a similar experience when moving to a red-dot handgun. He likewise goes into detail:

While the Delta Point Pro has the option of mounting a iron sight directly to the optic, that’s a work-around to an omission. I contend the Q5 should maintain the provision for an iron sight on the handgun, even if in front of the red-dot, if only for the sake of reference points.



Nathan S.

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

Nathan can be reached at Nathan.S@TheFirearmBlog.com

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • Ben

    I wonder if they’re aiming for the new Carry Optics division with this.

    • almost first

      I think that is the main reason why this exists

      • Ben

        Yeah, Walther sits at an odd level where they’re big enough that everyone knows of them but small enough that attracting competitive shooters is a viable strategy (there are only 24k USPSA shooters, and only a small proportion are going into carry optics).

  • Nicholas C

    I concur Nathan. I find it lazy when companies will not cowitness irons with a counter sunk red dot. It can be done and up within budget. M&P CORE is the perfect example. Next up is the FNX-45 tactical. I wrote an article about optics on handguns,

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/12/review-optics-on-handguns/

  • thedonn007

    It would need suppressor height sights to work.

    • mig1nc

      Agreed, but you can actually put a Glock front sight on a PPQ (I have one on mine).

      Then use the Delta Point Pro rear or use J-Point (if the mount fits) like David Bowie (the shooter, not the singer).

    • Budogunner

      Speaking for lawful suppressor owners, I think I can say that would only make the product more appealing.

  • USMC03Vet

    I love me some fiber sights.

  • Joel

    There are some explanations why the Walther Q5 “Match” does not have the inherent ability for iron sights to cowitness with a red dot. One is probably that many “match” shooters do not use cowitnessed iron sights with their red dots. This tendency is already prevalent among USPSA Open division and Bianchi Cup Open division shooters. They practice enough that they don’t need irons. Time will tell if this tendency becomes prevalent in Carry Optics.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      This changes nothing with actual issues of MRDS. Did you watch the video above where it’s reasonably well explained?

      9/10 people I’ve seen run a red dot, spend more time fishing for the dot than shooting.

      There is a reason those giant stupid CMORE sights are still popular in competition uses and the MRDS is much less so.

      • Nicholas C

        CMORE are ok, but sitting on top of the gun I had a hard time finding it. Turning it 90 degrees made it much easier.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Imagine my surprise that Walther screws something up! :

    I shot Walther handguns exclusively since 2009 or so and finally had to drop them. They had a magical hit with the PPQ which is all irony because it’s almost exactly the P99 AS trigger in SA mode, but they just don’t know what to do with it.

    A competition gun… Of a gun I think already did well at competition because it has a stupid light trigger. Ok Walther. Gee, I hope colors are next.

    Walther proved to me about a year and a half ago that they won’t ever be “serious” in the same way Glock, Sig, HK, S&W, or even Springfield are. They’re content to be the special snowflake – and for carry and competition – I’m done with that nonsense.

  • Mike

    If you don’t like this set then don’t buy it!!
    Walther obviously think enough people will buy it to make them money.
    It is nice that we have lots of options.

  • Anonymoose

    I want one in .45.

  • Budogunner

    Anything electronic can fail, that’s why I always want BUIS. I agree with the author’s concerns on this one.

  • AK™

    If I were to have MRDS on my carry Glock,I’d probably just go with a Dueck Defense. It replaces the rear sight through the dovetail, and has built in iron sights.

    I don’t watch enough competition shooting,but like someone else posted,this is probably just for match/competition shooting.