Captain Barred emailed us a photo of his new belt bed 9mm upper receiver. He wrote …

First Production FM9 Belt Fed 9mm upper sold by Freedom Ordnance!!! The one from their gunbroker sale. Outfitted with a Grip Pod, an Aimpoint Comp M2, and a Caldwell brass catcher

Very nifty. Its belt fed fun at 9mm prices! I would not say no to putting a few hundred rounds through one of these!



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  • Mike

    I must haz!!!

  • Giolli Joker

    Does it use 5.56 links?
    More info and photos wouldn’t hurt… this is a tease…

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    That photo blows.
    I cant tell what im looking at except from the shadow.

  • Tyler McCommon

    Why would I need this?

    • Jack

      Why do people forget that sometimes it’s OK for a gun to just be FUN?

    • Same reason you need a 700 horsepower car: It’s fun as hell.

    • Rock or Something

      When some men ask “Why?” other ask “Why not?”

    • GaryOlson

      Now you can wear your double looped crossing 9mm ammo chains as a fashion statement.

      • jcitizen

        KEWL!

    • 1leggeddog

      Because two words:

      “Belt” and “Fed”

    • jcitizen

      What part of “well regulated militia” did you not understand? Oh well the law makers in Калифорния don’t understand either.

  • gunsandrockets

    Nice.

    Need better photos and video.

  • Vitsaus

    5.56 links or…?

  • Anomanom

    It seems nice, but does it use standard links, or proprietary. Of those are proprietary links, then it will be a beehotch. 1 min firing = 1 hour trying to find all the links.

    • iksnilol

      Install a link catcher in addition to the brass catcher.

    • gunsandrockets

      Why not use a non-disintegrating belt?

    • Tim Barrera

      Proprietary, $60 for 1000 links. The Caldwell bag catches both brass and links as they come out.

  • Bradley Chapman

    Here’s a pic guys.

  • Jose

    If this gun gets successful enough in the sales department, then they should develop a .223 version of that upper unit. And, a semi auto-only kit; plus the slide-fire stock attached to the weapon, equals bump-fire fun. I should pay attention in its progress; and you should too.

    • dshield55

      Especially since this company has reasonable prices. There are two other companies that make .223 belt-fed uppers but they cost around $4k or more. This guy is only asking $1895. Much more reasonable since RPD belt-feds in 7.62x39mm go for $2,000 to $2,200 for a whole rifle.

      • iksnilol

        Yeah, I would hope they make a 5.56 and 7.62×39 version. Preferably with some form of quick change barrel. Would be nice for stages where they require just enough rounds for you to reload.

      • jcitizen

        Hmm, the prices must have gone up on RPDs. Not surprising though!

        • dshield55

          The cost of kits have been rising. I think you can still build one yourself for around $1300.

    • Tassiebush

      It’s already been done actually 🙂

  • schizuki

    Depending upon how the laws are worded, that could conceivably be a diabolically clever mag-capacity workaround.

    • gunsandrockets

      how worded indeed.

      It is a no-go in Commiefornia, which bans “high capacity feeding devices”. A stupid stupid law. Since 10 round belt segments could be quickly assembled into a 100 or 200 or whatever round length belt within minutes.

      • jcitizen

        Maybe they’d allow 50 rd belts snipped to 10 rds each; but I doubt it. This on non-disintegrating links of course.

  • Southpaw89

    Some would ask why, I can only ask, how much?

  • Wetcoaster

    Who makes/sells 9mm belts/links?

    • Tassiebush

      I’m guessing it probably uses links for 5.56/.223 The back end of both cases are close enough that you can make 9mm brass out of .223.

      • jcitizen

        I checked and the M27s links don’t look like they’d work – but maybe someone with a better imagination and shop could!

    • Tim Barrera

      They are made by the company. They are proprietary. $60 for 1000 links.

  • kawa1

    Us guys need one of these for the same reason that you need more than one (1) square of toilet paper. One square isn’t enough and neither is one gun.

  • Iggy

    Looks fun, the original was classier though:

    • dshield55

      I must know more…

      • Iggy

        It’s a Standschütze Hellriegel 1915, a prototype Austro-Hungarian heavy sub machinegun (my favorite gun terminology oxymoron). There’s not alot of info online, but if you google it the first few results have what’s known about it.

        • Tahoe

          Nothing like a sub-machine gun that requires an AG to carry the ammo for you…and in a classy wood-framed pack, no less!
          If it were a Brit gun I’d say that was his batman.

  • gunsandrockets

    I love it! Thanks.

  • Blake

    Looks like the ultimate range toy.

    All sarcasm aside (well, almost…): other than Alex’s hog hunting trips, what are the practical/professional applications of this system (if any)? If it has the same manual of arms as a larger MG perhaps it’s useful as an inexpensive training tool or something?

    Also, a handguard-mounted optic would probably get pranged by the top of the receiver flipping forward every time you load it…

    • dshield55

      I doubt anybody would buy it for tactical purposes because it’s too outside the box… but… I do believe some SWAT teams in the country do have Minimis/M249s… so apparently some police have found a need for belt feds. with a short 7″ barrel, this thing would be the same size an MP5 but you could lay it on thick for some suppresive fire…. if thats what your SWAT team was want to do… which apparently some think is prudent if they have M249s. Could do 200 round belts in a tight package versus a 30 round MP5 mag right?

      • jcitizen

        I wonder if 9mm would be safer in the neighborhood that 5.56mm? At least the range is significantly shorter. Somehow I wonder that it wouldn’t – the 5.56mm round turns into powder when it hits anything substantial. Of course cops shouldn’t be using M855 ammo either.

        • dshield55

          Agreed. 5.56×45 sbr’s have been gaining popularity over 9mm subguns in law enforcement. Seemingly and for that very reason. However, they’re still quite a few law enforcement agencies who swear by 9mm and .40cal subguns.

  • roguetechie

    it also highlights what I’ve long thought would make the whole belt fed rifle thing a bunch easier.
    aka build on the next size up of platform.
    so for a 5.56 get yourself a g2 style 308 gun…
    Would the CMMG mutant make a good start for a x39 or grendel belt fed? I don’t know yet, but hopefully when the early adopters are done doing their premature adoption thing… (you see what I did there, I know you did! It’s ok to laugh… Go on have a laugh, we’ll wait….)
    ok now that everyone has regained their composure, hopefully some rich guys will finish breaking their mutants soon, and it’ll be open season for the more sense than money crowd to get handed the baton…
    honestly I think this allows more time for key phases in the belt feed cycle to play out, whilst also allowing more meat in the operating group without going to the nuclear option of adding weight to operating groups. (tungsten/wolfram)

  • Joe

    I want to see the 11″ with a suppressor and subs.

    • Adam aka eddie d.

      Check Panaceabachbum’s channel on Youtube.
      It’s the channel of Thompson Machine.
      They fire one in full auto with the 11″ barrel and one of their suppressors.
      They’ve got multiple short videos on it.

  • iksnilol

    It seems like a good idea IMO. Maybe go with a pistol length barrel (4-5 inches) and a suppressor?

    Also, I hope it is successful so that they can develop a 5.56 or 7.62×39 version since these guys have reasonable prices. Would be nice with a belt fed that can somewhat quickly/easily change calibers.

    • jcitizen

      Or just buy a semi-auto RPD in 7.62x39mm, That is if that is legal in your location. I’ve seen the quality on those guns, and it is shockingly good. They look brand spanking new! The only reason I didn’t buy one was the barrel is not removable, and no one seems to know where to get a link loader! They are VERY reasonably prices in the US.

      • iksnilol

        RPD isn’t bad, but I presume that making an AR belt fed in the caliber could provide better accuracy and lower weight.

        A dream blaster would probably be a Stoner LMG rechambered for 7.62×39 and the barrel chopped to 10″.

        • jcitizen

          True – light is better – removable barrel is better. I love the Stoner 63 weapon system, which included all of this. The seals were using one that was stainless steel, if I have my facts right, and maybe heavier than an M16, but then with all those features, it is no wonder. The Robinson’s Armament Expeditionary rifle was almost a spitting image of it, but they crapped out on the belt fed device, when they shifted everything to their plastic XCR rifle for military competition.

  • jcitizen

    Somehow I think this is going to end up just like the Shrike – all blow and no show, and reports of waiting lists to never be satisfied. You’d be better off buying an RPD. I especially have my doubts about the belts, it doesn’t look like you would ever be able to convert M27 belts for fit, and they say right on the site they don’t last long. There is no link loader – that can be a major pain in the behind! I have to admit, though, that 9mm is some of the cheapest shooting ammo right now. I hope this comes to market with no problems. I love belt feds! I’ve always wanted to make a 20 gauge belt fed as I think you could use 50 cal links to make them. However you would have a hard time lining them up straight. I love the quick change barrel, and that is a prerequisite for that kind of shooting.

    • Johnny D

      Well if you google them you will see people on the list have already been getting units. Also unlike the shrike their preorder doesn’t cost anything. The first video was uploaded to youtube 3 weeks ago and they are already shipping something so I would say that is nothing like most companies currently in the industry that come out with something like this let alone a new company that just appeared.

      • jcitizen

        I must admit it was a few years ago I was in the market for one – but things looked so dismal I gave up on ARES Defense. However, I can’t help noticing they want about what a complete belt fed weapon would cost for just the upper. At least that is what I see for sale around Google. I’m not sure you can’t get a complete M249 semi-auto for what they want for just an upper! I think I’d rather have an 8mm or 308 upper from a guy I know selling modified machine gun parts, and put that on a semi-auto lower. Way cheaper!

        • Johnny D

          For some reason my response to this got flagged for moderation then didn’t get allowed. 2a blog that doesn’t allow freedom of speech? Ironic. If this makes it through… who are you talking about Shrike’s upper being as much as a complete M249 or Freedom’s? I thought the semi auto M249s where like 8k+ so please link me if you have info cause I am not a rich gun collector lol I need the deals!

          • jcitizen

            The machingunarmory(dot)com lists some of their models at around 6 grand, but there are knock offs out there that are cheaper, just like their web site warns. I can’t vouch for the quality, but then, I don’t trust ARES defense with quality either, so no love lost there.

            Actually I see no evidence that ARES is even selling uppers with the belt feed mechanism any more – if your lucky you might find one for sale on an auction site for around $4000, but those are drying up fast. I believe TNW is selling complete semi-auto belt feds of various historic arms, a guy will have to check to see what is still available. I bought one for around $4000. These are in BRAND NEW condition, and the quality is exceptional! One of my TNWs fires perfectly. The other I’ve not had a chance to test, I’ve been saving my ammo for full auto fire, from other legal sources.

            I can get .308 or 8mm uppers very reasonable, but the stock is limited and I don’t have the money yet, so I’m not going to divulge those sites, until I get mine. These are not the same design at all, and are very heavy.

            Heck, I still see a lot of ads for reasonably priced M1919 semi autos in Shotgun News. I don’t think any of these, or the kits will last very long with the political climate the way it is. It is better to jump at the chance now, or forever wish you had.

            As I have stated on here before, RPDs are still 2400 plus, and those I have seen are very high quality. I’d sooner invest in one of those as any Shrike. At least a Soviet bloc as been, is a known quality, where who knows what ARES did with that Shrike!

  • Donald Darr

    Why climb a mountain? Because it’s there!

  • jcitizen

    You should probably check the dates on a lot of what you see on forums – many of them are way back in 2010 or older. I did the same Google searches you did, and I only find Shrike uppers on auction sites. ARES is only servicing military or Title II deakers now. Trying to get into a situation where you can only deal with post 1986 weapons as an SOT is an even more expensive and paperwork intensive game, if that is what you want to do.