Chiappa T-Series 1887 Shotgun Pistol

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Recent video games such as Call of Duty renewed interest in the oversized and impractical pistol-gripped 1887 Shotgun that was originally made popular by the second Terminator movie. Chiappa is cashing in on the pistol-gripped 1887-craze with the 1887 “T-Series”. It features a rubberized pistol grip and an 18″ barrel. Because of the long barrel it is legally a shotgun not a pistol.

The 1887 “T-Series” shotgun by Chiappa Firearms is a replication of the shotgun that has been immortalized in Sci-Fi thrillers and Video games. The “T-Series” is based on the Chiappa 1887 Lever action shotgun that is already known for speed and reliability in Cowboy Action competition, and a traditional favorite in the field, only now it is ready for a new era. The T-Series features all of the characteristics of the standard model, except with an 18.5” Barrel, matte black finish, and wood forearm and pistol grip that has a durable “Soft Touch” black rubber coating.

[ Many thanks to Jacob & Paolo for emailing us the link. ]

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  • JMD

    Some COD fan is going to blow his own arm off flip-cocking one of these. lol

  • hojo

    no.

  • ARL

    Correction, it’s not a shotgun. 18 USC 921 (a)(5) says:

    “The term shotgun means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.”

    This firearm is not intended to be “fired from the shoulder” as it has no shoulder stock, so therefore it is not legally defined as a shotgun. It’s over 26″ OAL (otherwise it’d be an AOW like a Serbu Super Shorty) so it’s still title I. It’s just a “firearm”.

    • Other Steve

      Agreed, it’s the same reasoning the birdshead Mossberg NFA hack works. It’s over 26″.

      On this, it’s ONLY over 26″ because of the 18″ barrel. So, before anyone gets some great ideas about making this a worse gun, it won’t work.

    • Eric S

      Be that as it may according to the in-print formal ATF laws, the only thing the ATF really cares about is length. There is a ruling on record about a guy who built a 1919 with a 14 inch barrel, but it was still a rifle because it’s overall length exceeded 26in. Justification being was that it was not firable from the shoulder. Same thing applies to M2s. You have to remember that ATF rulings are not black and white, but more shades of grey. Besides, you can buy a shotgun now with a factory pistol grip.

      • CHS

        Incorrect. The 14″ 1919 IS NOT considered a rifle. It’s a title 1 “other” firearm, just like this gun. Lacking a stock, it can never be considered a rifle, and as long as the OAL is over 26″ it remains a non-nfa title 1 firearm.

        Rifle’s and Shotguns are defined pretty explicitly, and they MUST have shoulder stocks (designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder) in order to be considered a rifle or shotgun.

      • Eric S

        That may be true, it’s been years since I read the ATF letter, but my latter point still holds that you can purchase a shotgun sans stock from the manufacturer. So you may wish to inform the ATF that Mossberg is selling AOWs as shotguns.

        http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Guns/930/New/55340.jpg

        But after some thought, I hypothesize the reason there is not a large loop is that it could feasibly be cycled with one hand pushing it near the ‘pistol’ classification and that the standard loop makes using two hands a necessity keeping it closer to the shotgun classification.

      • Eric S

        Woohoo double post. Had time to find the letter.

        http://www.thompsonmachine.net/img/1919/1919letter.jpg

        Apparently, it’s not a rifle, a pistol, or NFA. Should they create a divide by zero category?

  • my keyboard is pregnant

    talking about guns with call of duty players is an epic fail on your part. be angry with only yourself.

  • shockfish08

    Or he’ll break his hand flip cocking with that standard lever loop :P

  • Slim

    Once I saw how far this tacticool phase had gone in bringing classic guns of yester-year back (tactical double barrel was the beginning and the low point was the tactical lever action by Marlin), I am surprised someone hadn’t done this already. While it is not outfitted with rails and everything else, I’m sure it wont be long before that shows it’s uncessary/and more than likely ugly head.

    I know, I know, if people want to spend their money on it, by all means go ahead, but trust me the “chicks dig it” factor you think it has, well it doesnt really exist. And as JMD previously stated, it wont be long until someone tries to flip-cock it and blows an appendage or a friend’s appendage away…

    Just for all that is sacred and holy, please stop this “lets make any gun ever created tacticool, ’cause ‘em kids will eat it up” attitude in the gun manufacturing industry!

    • Other Steve

      Tactical lever was Mossberg, not marlin who seems to at least currently have an once of self respect left.

      • Slim

        Ah, thank you for the correction. And you are right Marlin (to this point, and hopefully forever) has kept some self-respect.

      • Other Steve

        No issue. Easy enough mistake. Just remember Marlin is still OK, and Mossberg is the WORST for gimmicky bullshit.

        Chainsaw shotgun
        Zombie bullshit
        “tactical” lever gun
        Shotgun JUST IN CASE tube

        Funny how top tier companies don’t have to do that crap. That said, I am curious to cycle the action on their MVP rifle, I fully expect a bolt action that takes AR mags to feed like rusty hell, but they say they have some “solution” so I’ll reserve judgment.

      • Quintin

        Marlin does indeed make a stainless, railed, lever gun. Model number 1895SBL. They go for around 800 on gunbroker.

  • Other Steve

    Stop hanging out with kids….. I say that, although I know most adults are no better.

    I overheard a guy at a gun shop this weekend looking for a 10 caliber (10mm apparently) and didn’t want the Glock 21 (He meant 20) because he was told Glocks have plastic firing pins. This ass has no business with a 10mm. Absolutely true and sad story.

    • W

      haha it reminds me of when my daughter was calling local gun stores to see if they had any glock 19′s…one unnamed owner of a outfit said, “we dont carry glock. they are unsafe. google “glock + kaboom then get back to me”. apparently i should bin my AR15′s too because of kaboom photographs on the internet.

  • Other Steve

    Say what you will about COD, the 1887 action, this gun itself, or Steve’s hated of it.

    I can’t think of a more concealable ready to go shotgun that has the same capacity. I’d take this in a truck over nothing any time.

    On the capacity, I’m not understanding it because I have never worked an 1887 action, but their site says 5+2. So I’m guessing it’s 5 in the tube, one in the chamber, and one on a feed tray like a Benelli?

    If it does hold 7 2-1/2 12ga in a 26″ package, well, it certainly might have some redeeming merit.

    • Slim

      From the other replicas (the ones with wood stocks) and originals I have handled, I cannot in my mind see how the action would work as a Benelli, unless they changed the action drastically. As far as I know they were meant to hold 5 +1 in the chamber. I suspect that was a typo you may have seen.

      • Other Steve

        Yea, I don’t know how it works. But as far as a typo goes, it’s on every page on their 1887s. One big ass glaring mistake if it’s really 5+1

      • Other Steve

        So, apparently it does hold one on the tray. 5+2

    • Slim934

      If they still made the Winchester 1300 defender models with the 7 shot tubes then you’d clearly have something superior.

      I love the looks and mechanics of the old 1887 design, but a lever action in a size like this is just does not strike me as too useful. Any large capacity pump action with a birdshead grip would serve you better (like a 1300 Defender with a Speedfeed pistol grip).

      That being said, I may buy one of these depending on the MSRP for not other reason than the Neato factor of these kinds of guns.

  • Jusuchin (Military Otaku)

    As a gamer and a weapons enthusiast, all I’m gonna say is to the gun generation 1.0: Please tone down the snark and teach. What would rather have? A gamer who has been taught proper firearms knowledge, or one who vows to never visit a range again because of the amount of unfriendliness he gets from Gun Generation 1.0.

    • Nanban Jim

      A very good point. Focus on the positive, not the negative. No enthusiast bitches about the Mausers in Star Wars not being very accurate. A good tactic is to acknowledge the cool parts in the games, and segue into how interesting it might be for this or that realistic aspect to be involved. Bring up the difference between arcade or cinematic games (eg L4D, who give weapons high capacities because it’s based on B-movies), versus more simulationist games (eg STALKER series, pardon the name, they’re Ukrainian and don’t understand English but do understand bullet drop). Don’t just harp on the safety rules, but bring up real examples of accidents or near-accidents. Positive thinking will get you much further than sounding like you’re sipping a vinegar martini.

    • Slim

      I too enjoy games and am a still in my 20′s! This is not snark, but my opinion. I own several guns, but try to find some practicallity in owning them. I have been raised around guns, and believe to each his own in regards to taste. But I myself, cannot see the practicallity of such a gun. I am sure you could go through my gun collection and ask why I have what I do? And yes some of them are just for plinking, but could I hunt or protect myself with them, absolutely. To me this firearm has “bad ideas to try by gamers who’s only knowledge of firearms comes from COD” written all over it.

      I have many friends who want to go out and learn how to shoot, and I am all for that! I enjoy helping them learn, and select the gun right for them if they decide to purchase one. What I CANNOT abide is someone who says they want to learn, but is just out there to make noise and “do cool stuff” with a firearm. I have had 2 close calls in regards to almost being shot by (in gamer words so you can understand) “noob” who did not regard a single thing that was said about safety. I have also had a friend shot by someone who was trying to do something “cool” when he had his back turned.

      Should we bring in new generation of gun enthusiast, absolutely. As for generatoin 1.0 of gunners, I have met the grumpy old men now and again, but there are even more out there willing to teach you, if YOU are willing to actually listen and not think you know it all (As a side not I know many 1.0 generation gun owners that love all of the new things, not just the old models, so be careful on the broad generalization without any actual backing). Like them, I too do not have the paitence to listen to a “noob” who brags about all of this knowledge he has based on a video game and then looking up info on wikipedia. If you want to learn, do it with your ears, not with your mouth.

      • SpudGun

        Very good points Slim. I applaud you and hope you continue shooting for a long time.

    • rick

      1. Get gun.
      2. Sign up for firearm safety course.
      3. Ranges aren’t usually filled with bored instructors hanging out.
      4. Going on and on about CoD gets tiring.

    • hojo

      Unfriendliness at the range? Have you actually played games online? THAT is unfriendly… Noob. :-)

  • SpudGun

    All right! I can’t wait to get to the range and wave this thing around like a pair of goddam nun-chucks. Imagine the look on their stupid faces as I muzzle sweep their asses over and over again? I can’t wait to ND my first noob before going to jail forever. Team kill FTW!

    A lever action shotgun without a stock? It screams practicality and anyone who says different is a hater.

    / sarcasm off

  • DurgaMDK

    Jusuchin (Military Otaku) ¿”military house”? Anyhoo, I agree that the older generation needs but rarely remembers their manners when it comes to legacy and properly passing the torch. I think even at my age I got a little lucky to get my start. I’m a believer in give to get respect. The younger gen tends to not know this and the older gen tends to no want to correct them properly so that they can get on with learn/teaching.

    I think this pistol club of a weapon might be fun at the range but even with my EBRs and MP5 etc I find it highly impractical.

  • JimRan

    Awesome. I want one for when I ride my Harley Davidson. I can shoot locks off gates as I ride towards them at full speed. Or put (temporary) holes in those annoying T-1000s.

  • lyndon

    All it needs is a rail. And seriously, I will buy one.

    • hojo

      Cannot tell if trolling…

  • Not a terrorist

    I’m one of those COD fans, but I try to at least learn how that weapon works (like the bolt action and the auto shotguns), and I look at alot of documentaries. I have no experince whatsoever besides shooting a rifle at a yogurt can.
    So I know (a little) how some guns work you could say. I hate it it too when some jackoff thinks he knows it all.
    Anyways, what im trying to say is please dont be too harsh on “us young’ins”.

    • Brian P.

      I know exactly what you mean. I find it frustrating how so many people instantly assume that Call of Duty players (or players of other, similar games) are idiots who know nothing about guns. I’ve been studying all sorts of guns, and learning how they work and such too (mostly because I would like to get a job designing weapons), and I know more about guns and how they work than my own dad (a retired Marine).

      That said, I really want one of these pistol grip 1887s, because it looks awesome, and I am a huge fan of all lever actions. That, and being of Browning’s design really makes it a huge plus in my book. ;)

    • Sid

      In a similar way, I get tired of the same comments about M14 vs. M16. My greatest peeve is when the crusty elderly bring out “battle tested” as a trumping remark. My counter is that nothing is ever battle-tested until it is battle-tested. We don’t still fight with rocks because bows and arrows were too new to test.

      Back to your point… Some guns are just nice to have. If you like it and can afford it and want to be a responsible user, get it. And ignore the remarks and enjoy the sport.

  • SM

    What!? No large loop lever? Now I can’t flip it around like Arnold while I’m riding my Harley! And to all you gamers out there, Arnold did it first!

  • ruben

    wheres the sights lol

  • tommy2rs

    If it was available in 10 gauge like the original I lost in a house fire maybe.

  • JC

    I’m guessing that they left the oversized lever loop out on purpose for legal/don’t shoot yourself in the foot reasons.

    • Matt

      Even if they (Chiappa) have large lever loops for their winchester rifles as spares/custom parts because they have models with large lever loops, looks like it would be quite expensive to make it on the 1887 for the T-series only (already pricey by itself)

      Unlikely the Norinco 1887 loop, which is a separate “oval” connected to the triggerguard by an hinge (which will be simpler to make or weld modify), the Chiappa leverloop trigger is integral to the breech bolt (see the exploded view) http://www.chiappafirearms.com/sites/default/files/manuals/Exploded_view_1887_11.pdf

      Most probably the would also need a new forging requiring an additional mould, is not only a questio of CNC machining cost.

      For those wondering about the +2 shots, on Chiappa’s website in the manual there are some 3d rendering on the action, you can see how the cartridge sits below the chambered one.

      • Slim

        Thank you for the info. I was not aware it could hold an extra round in the tube, thus making it 6 not 5. The way I have seen it work it did not seem like it could be manipulated it that way.

      • Matt

        No, is NOT in the tube.
        when the breech closes, it sits below it, if you look at the picture, is “behind” the T-series logo.

        You can clearly see it on a Norinco 87 at about at 0.30-0.35

  • Mike

    5 in mag, 1 on rising feed tray, 1 in chamber. Ask the cowboy shooters. LOL

  • Rangefinder

    I am surprised no one makes a volcanic pistol replica. At least it was designed with a pistol grip. It might even look good with Hogue grips and a halo sight.

    • Cymond

      I’ve actually wondered about the Volcannic and several other classics like the C-96, S&W #1, Reid Knuckleduster, and weird French Apache thing. They’re very interesting, old, classic designs and no one really wants to shoot the originals. I’d add a Volcannic and a C-96 to the wishlist if they were reasonably priced and shot available ammo. I’m fortunate to have stumbled onto a 1968 Uberti replica of the Sharps Pepperbox.

  • Netforce

    I didn’t think of Call of Duty though. I thought of Arnold’s T-800′s shotgun from Terminator 2!

  • Mike

    The actions on the 1887 has a shorter OAL than a pump shotgun, is made of steel. They can take a pounding. I would not be suprised if someone takes this to the next step, like Red-Jacket, and makes a “Stake-out” or “Entry-gun” out of this. “NEVA-BEEN-DONE-BEFORE…GAME-CHANGER!”

    • Rangefinder

      How about an underbarrel configuration for M4/M16?

      • hojo

        I kinda like this idea, but I think the length would be a problem… Shell capacity would be like 2+1

      • Austin

        In my opinion, that would not work very well. The 1887 shotgun loads and ejects from the top, so unless you mount it on the side of the gun (and therefore make the AR-15 rail effectively twice as wide and very awkward to hold), you could neither load nor eject a shell without removing the 1887 from your AR. In theory you could remedy that by putting a vertical grip on the bottom of the rail, but you would have to work the lever with your fingertips to avoid hitting the vertical grip and failing to complete the stroke. It would take a lot of getting used to!

    • Aurelien

      Well, mix this 1887 with the Mossberg tactical lever-action, add a muzzle break, and you got yourself a nice tool for when you lose your keys.

  • Permanent Resident

    Consumerism. Consume!

  • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

    I seem to remember plenty of old timers (maybe some who are filling this thread with snark) loving the old “Witness Protection” model of shotgun in the 80s ad early 90s. Point being people collect guns that are impractical (though all guns are more practical than people think even if they’re not a M-4 clone) I know people who love flintlocks, hunt with them and do all sorts of useful things with them. In the early 1900s .22 short pistols were all the rage in CT judging by how many I used to come across used in the gun store. And for many years I loved antique bulldog revolvers. We can all agree that Call of Duty is a step above World of Warcraft in terms of wasting time – but if fans of the game keep gun companies in business I fully support them.

    And as someone else said, the cowboy action market and others likes oddities. I myself have a .45 ranch hand specifically because I like how it looks on my mantle and love siting it on my lap while sitting in my backyard. I could shoot a home invader with, but that’s not really why I got. Just wanting a gun is enough reason to own one.

    • Matt

      Agree, I like the witness protection as much as this one which I will buy for sure…

      I recognize nevertheless pumping the forend on a witness while holding the “birds head” hand grip is much better than rotating the lever on the 1887 (and the rotation is pretty wide).

      Two hands close helping each other on the former, one hand has to contrast the rotation on the latter.

  • David

    I think it’s kinda cool, I’d never buy one but I wouldn’t whine if someone else did, as long as I got to shoot it….

  • Darkness

    “I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle…”

  • Lance

    Love it want that and the “12ga auto loader and Uzi 9mm”

    But you need the Harley bike and scabbard too.

    • Other Steve

      Back from troll vacation huh? Stay under any nice bridges?

      By reading your nonsensical comment, I see you haven’t learned anything.

      • mosinman

        the only one who is trolling is YOU!

      • hojo

        Other Steve is no troll.

      • mosinman

        his comment says otherwise…

      • JM

        How very productive, Other Steve.

    • Sid

      You forgot the .45 cal long slide with laser sight and a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

      • West

        Haha, 40 watt range.
        Perfect for heating up burritos or Hot Pockets!

      • mosinman

        i think it was 40 kilowatt range lol

  • Airman Nick

    Any work on the MSRP?

  • BillyBones

    I’d buy one in 10ga :)

  • http://www.woodsmonkey.com Tim

    Haters :-) I kinda liked it. Not saying there’s any practical value but when did that stop the market before? I didn’t even know it was in COD. I caught the Terminator reference obviously (I’m in my 40′s, go figure) but my first thought about the 87 was from guys using them in CAS. I put a couple rounds through it on media day and thought it was fun. Its pretty darn short. I thought it was an AOW until I saw full specs on it later. Personally I liked the wood stocked model better though.

  • Raoul O’Shaughnessy

    If the firearms industry is going to start catering to gamers , where the hell is my BFG 9000???

    • hojo

      In that case, I want my lacerator… most effective imaginary small arm ever. (ETQW).

  • Josh B

    Would not be surprised if the Ex Governator uses one of these in the new Expendables movie

  • greasyjohn

    I’d be more interested if it weren’t for the blatant logo on the receiver. Really I just wish someone would go the whole nine with wood grips and a large loop. My next buy will be an 1897, but only because 87′s are so hard to find. Norinco’s always sold out, Cimarrons cost over a grand with sparse distributors, and Chiappa I’ve heard nothing about, and still more sparse distributors.

    And I don’t know how you’d blow your leg off flip-cocking since the action is open during the process.

    • http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com charlie Brown

      Chiappa has been around for 52 years, they make a very good product and the 87′s they make work very well, the parts even interchange with the original winchesters ( Chiappa make’s the Cimarron 87) I have sot the T-series and it is way cool, just thought you would like some 1st hand info.

      • Javier

        ive heard some pretty good things about this myslf,the info is spread far and wide,but i want one, but know absolutely nothing about the pricerange of this,could ya help me out?

    • Matt

      YOu never heard of Chiappa because they are the other ONLY manufacturer other than Norinco (or IAC or whatever, and Winchester of course) of course of the model 1887 (ADI in Australia did something like a 50 pcs “production” run years ago).

      Cimarron’s, Puma or any other 1887 are Chiappa manufactured as well.

      Easy way to distinguish Chinese from Italian (save for PRICE & Finish) is the lever loop (solid one piece on chiappa’s, oval pin connected on Norinco’s).

  • D

    Be an interesting home defense gun. Small, maneuverable indoors, lots of punch. I like it.

  • jaekelopterus

    Operating a lever-action gun without a butt stock on your shoulder for leverage seems impractical. The down and forward action guarantees you’ll lose whatever sight-picture was even possible with this thing between each shot, for a second or more. It also requires spacial clearance for the lever and trigger-hand, and requires the user take their finger off of the trigger while cycling a cartridge. Compared to a pump-gun in a similar configuration, this thing is goonier in every way, and far more expensive. When it comes to supporting arms manufacturers with questionable political affiliations and buying their license-free knockoff shotguns, I’ll keep my $150 Norico 870 clone thanks!

  • JT

    I’m wondering when somebody’s going to design a 26″ double barrel with a usable stock? I’d think it would be the logical conclusion of these compact non-pump action shotguns.

    • SKSlover

      Ive got a 100yr old H&R fox gun, thats a hair under 26″, and the stock is sure useful for that shoulder cannon. what do you mean by useable stock?

  • John Doe

    Can MJ bullets make you moon walk?

    • mosinman

      works best agianst women named bille jean…

  • John Doe

    Needs a rail for an Aimpoint and a 3XMag, and COD fans will line up for this.

  • Matt Gregg

    I’d still rather have this than that useless Judge/Governor.

  • Gary

    I own a third-generation Norinco knockoff of the Winchester M-97 riot gun – not, I hasten to add, the military one with the heatshield/bayonet mount.
    Now I know I am going to get a mouthful from the patriots about Chinese cr*p, but not all of us can afford a genuine M-97, and even if one could find one in top condition, I am sure you would be hesitant to fire it.

    It is terrific fun to shoot, having dug about a pound of sticky Chinese cosmoline equivalent and washed it in brake cleaner, it has smoothed up remarkably well, and will now shoot all day without a hiccup. That being said, does anyone know the chances of Chiappa making an M-97 clone?

    I’d sell my granny into slavery for one.

    • Matt

      I own both 87 & 97 Norinco’s.

      As you would have noticed stripping down the ’97, it is a nightmare of small parts.

      Which means the tooling to mfg and assembly time would drive costs pretty much up.

      And IMO the market is not there for another ’97 replica.

      The Chiappa was introduced right after I got my ’87, it is possible they started development before the Norinco’s hit the market…

  • Van the Handcannon Man

    Dammit Chiappa! My plan of getting into the big boys league of firearms manufacturing was to make copies of videogame guns and sell them to recently legal kids is now foiled!

  • Bryan S.

    As per their FB page, MSRP is 1249!

    Wow… I’ll pass.

    • Matt

      thanks, on Fb found this video link (in Italian)….

      Looks like there is a “BOOTLEGGER” version, with NO t-series logo & plain wood stock (no “soft touch” rubber).

      from 2:32…

      • Other Steve

        Ok Matt, and how much is the bootlegger? Because unless it’s far less than half the price than the one with the rugger grip and logo…

        Still not worth it.

        Mossberg cruiser + birdshead grip + 14″ barrel = $500ish, same OAL, Mossberg is more practical

      • http://www.woodsmonkey.com Tim

        RE: Other Steve’s Mossberg comment

        Yeah but with a 14″ Mossberg you’re going to have to deal with an AOW tax stamp won’t you? I’ve read the gray area of 26″ OAL trumping barrel length but I haven’t see any factory guns coming out like that to really test it yet. Not that the Mossberg and tax stamp might still not be cheaper, but the paperwork hassle is the bigger issue IMO.

      • Matt

        @Other Steve

        NO idea….but forget “half the price” though…

        You can get an idea of the price looking at standard Chiappa-Puma-…1887.

        Cost should be same a the “full” 1887…only because the barrel & stock are shorter, it doesn’t mean you cut the price in half.

        Due to smaller quantities I expect price will be at least same as the other 1887 from Chiappa.

        Y

  • abprosper

    Its cool looking but impractical as its configuration makes its prone to short cocking the lever and being 1ts 12g its a recoil pig. Its a toy basically.

    Also its Chiappa and after that little contempt of customer RFID issue, thanks no.

    • JMD

      Yep. Even if I lost my mind and decided I wanted this more than any other gun on the planet, I still wouldn’t buy one just because Chiappa made it.

  • Jake

    This looks amazingly impractical, and it looks like it’d be uncomfortable as hell to shoot.
    That said, it’s one badass looking piece and I’d love to own one just for the fun factor.
    If only it cost less than a nice AR…