Daniel Watters And I Discuss Machine Pistols At Handgun Radio

Nathaniel F
by Nathaniel F

After our respective first forays into the Firearms Radio Network, Daniel Watters and I both were asked to return to the program for a Handgun Radio segment. Our topic for this week was machine pistols, their history, their relationship with PDWs, and the possibilities for their future. We cover the earliest documented machine pistol the Steyr-Hahn M.12/P.16, touch on the shadowy Russian Stechkin APS and the tiniest machine pistol, the Trejo, discuss short-barreled M1 and M2 Carbine conversions like the Enforcer, hash out the small caliber high velocity machine pistol concept as most successfully embodied in the H&K MP7, and answer the question: “What, exactly, is a PDW?”

Hopefully this segment helps spark a conversation about the machine pistol and its role in the future. Special thanks to Ryan Michad for inviting me on, and the Firearms Radio Network for hosting such a great show!

Nathaniel F
Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.

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  • Tassiebush Tassiebush on Aug 20, 2015

    I finally got a chance to listen to it. good work fellas! that was a very entertaining and informative show. good exploration on the limitations and small number of niche uses for machine pistols and a good explanation of pdw concept too. I was glad the Trejo was mentioned too. it's a quirky little idea, the pocket machinepistol.

  • Nobody Nobody on Aug 20, 2015

    Just a few of my thoughts on this. First with full auto and increasing accuracy/hit rate, considering pistol ammunition can only damage what it directly impacts and shot placement is pretty much everything, a controllable full auto gun capable of putting multiple rounds nearby each other/in center of mass has a much greater chance of hitting something important that will disable a person quickly. A lot of people seem to miss the same fact for shotguns, while the "wall of lead" hitting the person if you aren't aiming for them won't play out, 27 pellet #4 buckshot gives you a very high chance of hitting the vitals such as the heart/spine at closer ranges as long as you are aiming near them, at a range where the spread is about 6" in diameter that will give you about 1 pellet per square inch assuming it patters evenly (no, it won't be that even, but still that's a lot of pellets in a small area), kind of hard to miss any vital organ in that 6" circle as long as the pellets penetrate far enough. I also noticed that they missed talking about the rate reducer on the Stetchkin that brings its rate of fire down to 600-750 rounds per minute. Also, as to how much you can improve the accuracy/controlability of a gun by adding more points of contact (such as a stock) for those who are curious, I have a Masterpiece Arms MAC-11 clone (the MPA930 SST, the mini model with the top rail) that I have mounted a small red dot sight on and when shooting it have a single point sling that I push the gun outward against to stabilize it (left hand grips the front of the gun with the web between my thumb and pointer up against the charging handle, I don't grip it by the barrel extension), at 75 yards my groups are only about 2" larger than what I can shoot with my SKS (completely stock) at the same distance and if I remember correctly I was able to fire the MAC-11 just as fast or slightly faster than the SKS, and that was several months ago when I first got that MAC-11 clone and didn't have much experience with it (going to bring it out and do that test again when I get the time now that I've shot it more).