Prices for Bump-fire Stocks Soar as Speculation Drives Demand

Slidefire

At this point, there’s little need for us to explain what a bump-fire stock is (but if you need a refresher, feel free to click here). TFB has been covering the industry standard bump-fire stock, the Slidefire SSAR-15, since at least 2010 which you’ll note at that time retailed for $319.

The price came down on Slidefire stocks considerably over the years, and Slidefire AK variants were recently selling as low as $50. AR variants had been selling consistently around $100 to $150. Immediately after news broke that bump-fire stocks were used during the recent Las Vegas tragedy, the market changed.

The common rules of Supply and Demand apply, of course. Demand can rise from speculation of retroactive bans (outright removal of supply), a grandfathered ban (freezing current supply), or simply an increased public knowledge of the product. For obvious reasons, Google Trends indicates a dramatic spike in web searches for both the Slidefire brand name and the generic technology:

Google Trends data on Bump-fire and Slidefire searches

 

While speculation about legislation runs rampant (which we won’t cover), let’s take another direction and look at what’s happening around the industry.

Cheaper Than Dirt Removes Slidefire Listing

 

The answer, then, is to seek out the community: People who own a bump-fire stock and don’t mind selling. As of this writing, we’re seeing as much as a 10X markup on an otherwise-common firearms accessory with sale prices reaching as high as $1,500 USD:

Gunbroker Completed Auctions – Slidefire Stocks

 

Gunbroker is hardly alone in this regard. Florida Gun Trader shows listings ranging from $500-800. Texas Gun Trader is showing listings as high as $950 with alarmist titles like “Soon to be banned” and “Its days are numbered”. ArmsList users are taking part across the country.

Moments ago TFB’s Adam Scepaniak reported that Gunbroker is banning the sale of all Slidefire and bump-fire stocks going forward. In an email, the website politely writes:

The Management of GunBroker.com has made the decision to no longer allow the listings of Bump/Slide Fire stocks or similar items on the site. All existing listings have been removed without winning bidders. Please do not relist these items. Thank you for your cooperation and continued support.

TFB has also been informed of rumors that the issue of price gouging or rapid inflation isn’t limited to online or personal sales. Some big box stores have allegedly been taking advantage of the recent spike in demand.

Like any commodity, it’s impossible to know which direction bump-fire stocks will take next. They will either become rare collectors items, contraband, or expensive impulse buys with an interesting story.





Corey R. Wardrop

Corey R. Wardrop is the Museum Curator for the Institute of Military Technology in Titusville, Florida where he manages one of the finest, if not the finest, firearms collections in the country. Corey is a former OIF infantry Marine and has worked professionally in the firearms industry for over 20 years. In 2014 he obtained an unrelated Bachelor of Science degree from one of the nation’s leading diploma mills. Through his work at IMT he is currently studying CAD design with an emphasis in reverse engineering rare firearms.
Corey asks forgiveness for his novice-level photographs and insists they are improving dramatically thanks to certified rockstar http://nathan-wyatt.com/. Corey can be reached at coreyrwardrop@gmail.com and always appreciates suggestions for future articles.
For the record, Corey felt incredibly strange writing this bio in the third person.


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  • iksnilol

    As a temporarily sober individual, I beg of thee to rethink thine priorities if thou considerest to payeth 1500 dollarydoos for a bumpfire stock.

    Like, you could rather spend those 1500 doubloons on rum. Would be less stupid and safer in the short/long/medium/AllTheTerms term.

    • Marc

      I say dear chap, a barrel of Scotland’s finest would strike me as a rather jolly good investment as well; perhaps a nice peat bomb from Islay…..tut tut.

    • PK

      Verily.

    • Cal S.

      Where were you when we were out of rum on the ‘Pearl?

      • iksnilol

        Somewhere were there was rum to be aquired?

        • Cal S.

          If it weren’t for the copious quantity of potatoes and copper tubing…

          • glenn cheney

            May the frog eyes be large and loiter.
            Not sure using potatoes, but we’ve been known to use what is available.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      You still havent escaped the ATF…

      Edit: Except for certain Scandinavian individuals.

  • Nick

    Those ridiculously high prices appear to be on full rifles.

    • Corey R. Wardrop

      I believe only the top example from the Gunbroker screenshot is a complete gun, but I could be wrong. A comment in Adam’s article claims to have seen one listed at $2,000 (unlikely to sell, but it was listed) and a reliable source told us they saw two advertised, then sold, at a big box store for $1,000 each.

      But you’re absolutely right – for that money it should come with the gun!

  • Dickie

    They can have em. No interest in this product however im in the do not give one inch gun control camp

    • Budogunner

      If you oppose politically exploitative gun control, “They can have em” is an inconsistant sentiment.

      • Dickie

        Thats was towards the people willing to pay in excess of a grand and fight over getting them while the demand is high. Not legislators. Sorry for confusion

  • rychastings

    and the NRA has abandoned actual american gun owners in favor of political expediency

    • Porty1119

      The NRA has guaranteed that it will not receive a penny from me.

    • Evan

      My membership had lapsed, and I was about to renew it. Then I heard this nonsense. They won’t be getting any money from me anytime soon.

    • Michael R. Zupcak

      It’s not so much about the NRA thinking they should be banned as it is about a mental chess game with democrats who are constantly referring to the NRA as a “terrorist organization”

      • Edeco

        I’d say more like mental jello wrestling after which both sides hug, shower off and go eat steak and lobster together on the American public’s tab.

        • Marshall Price

          Mental jello wrestling is right. I don’t think either parties mentioned operate from a position of integrity.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      They did that years ago when they became a lobbying organization for gun manufacturers.

      • Vitsaus

        Very well said.

    • kevinp2

      I suspect that the NRA is playing a longer game: Ban bump stocks in exchange for suppressor deregulation and concealed carry reciprocity.

      The last in particular is far more important on a daily basis than any bump stock.

      • john huscio

        Then they better push to get the SHARE act untabled quicklike.

        • Smedley54

          It will be awhile before pro-gun legislation can make any progress, so a delayed effort is better than an actual no.

      • Budogunner

        I don’t undeestand the mentality of sacreficing some lawful products/activities to protect others. All right should be defended.

        • Johny Vev

          Well said! But you see, you are a true American who loves freedom and will not sell-out to appease those who hate us and will NEVER stop taking and demanding more of our rights and freedoms.

          To those who give a nod/okay to giving away ANY of our freedoms, you have zero morals and are truly cowards. I think slidefire stocks are nearly useless, nothing more than a novelty item but will never appease control freak gun grabbing liberals by “giving them up without a fight”.

          After all these years, we finally were totally safe from any more gun control bills or bans because of Trump & rep in both houses… and now our own are going to give-in and allow a legal gun part to be ban without even a fight! Damn disgusting!!

          Screw the leftist liberal control freaks, do NOT APPEASE them with any measure because the second they get it, they will start saying it is not enough and they will instantly demand more, more and more as PROVEN year after year.

          Don’t be a cowardice fool, stand your ground against any and all gun control bills!

      • Nashvone

        After all this time, I would have expected the NRA to understand that this is not how the antis work.

    • fintroll

      Rather this is a smart move. There is no way they can win the bump fire stock fight, so better not fight for that and actually get other stuff through like the suppressors. Also they propose to make those stocks NFA items, not ban them. This drives a wedge between the dems and the reps that supported the idea.

      • rychastings

        so keep giving up concessions until the libs start demanding that the military kick down doors and start confiscating guns?

        • Smedley54

          They would expend disproportionate resources in a losing battle to protect something very few actually care about. I thought ATF had banned these things from the outset, and was surprised (and horrified) to find out they were legal.

          • Johny Vev

            Horrified? lol!!! You control freak libs out yourselves every time! lol Quick, run to a safe space if I hurt your “feels”…. lol!!

          • Smedley54

            You caught me – outed by my adequate vocabulary again.

        • Paul McCain

          Yes, that’s EXACTLY what is going to happen. Bump-fire stocks are regulated and then…BAM….they are breaking down your door and taking all your firearms. Insert eye roll here.

          • Johny Vev

            Yes, it’s the true end goal of the liberal agenda… so roll your eyes all you want because it only outs you for the liberal you truly are.
            Leftist liberal will never stop with slide-fire stocks or any other gun control bill… this is an absolute proven fact. Giving up anything or making concessions only impacts legal firearm owner… it’s funny how liberals only take and never give-up anything, damn control freaks the lot of you. I for one will never submit or appease those that are ‘UN-appeaseable’ and true goal is a total firearm ban. Anyone who does, shames themselves.

          • rychastings

            have you such a short memory that you forgot the assault weapon ban of the 90’s? thats what happens when people start to give concessions. you are sounding like chamberlain coming back from the munich agreements. “peace in our time” bs

    • Paul McCain

      The NRA does not need members like you who can’t figure out that politics is the art of the possible. If you think the Bump-Fire stock is THE hill to die on, please..leave.

      • Lee Enfield

        If you dont realize that after the next mass shooting some other attachment will be selected as the next evil device then we don’t need members like you either.

        With your thinking we’ll be down to bolt action Crickets after awhile.

  • Guy

    Im surprised Cheaper Than Dirt hasn’t price gouged considering what they did with 30 round mags a while back.

    • Mr._Exterminatus

      They already did with beta mags for ARs. They were up to $700 when I looked a couple of days ago.

    • Rooftop Voter

      Nothing is ever inexpensive at CTD, crisis or not.

  • Ark

    Gun owners in a nutshell. Yesterday: “Slide fire is stupid and there’s no reason to want it.” Today: “OH MY GOD I NEED IT BEFORE IT GETS BANT!”

    • A Texan

      Bump stocks have several strikes against them. First the being able to shoot 300+ rounds a minute should get them regulated like machine guns. Second, they are not accurate so they really have no legitamate purpose for anything, self defense or otherwise. Not even the military has any use for them. You could claim you need one for the zombie apocalypse, but semi automatic rifles just overheat when shooting that many rounds so they render themselves useless. You could argue that they are a hazard due to their inability to be able to properly aim. They make the rules of gun safety a joke. Any device that makes a gun unable to shoot accurately is a hazard.

      • Ark

        What’s the difference between that and just pulling the trigger really fast?

  • Budogunner

    Banning bumpfire stocks won’t stop basic physics, by which I mean the ability to bumpfire as normal. In the recent tragedy, accuracy of fire was not a concern of the criminal given the density of the population he targeted. In truth, no bumpfire stocks were needed to accomplish what he did.

    If any legislation passes requiring law abiding citizens to surrender lawfully owned private property due to political exploitation of the loss of American lives we have no hope of living in a country that values freedom.

    • Gabriel Owens

      In all honesty the fact that he used a bump stock probably SAVED LIVES. Ive never been able to shoot one accurately with much consistency. Too me its just an overpriced piece of plastic that wastes ammo.

      • 1kRider

        Does accuracy really matter when you’re firing into a crowd of 22,000 people?

        • Rock or Something

          I make the argument he caused more injuries than deaths because of he used bump fire in a .223/5.56 at that distance. If he had used precise shots with say a .308 rifle, there would probable be less injuries but more deaths.

          But the fact of the matter is, this guy was well prepared, in an elevated position overlooking a crowded venue with makeshift walls and few exits. This wasn’t going to end well regardless.

          • iksnilol

            I just find it weird that he used a bumpfire stock. I mean, the guy was a millionare. It would have been chump change for him to buy a transferable M2 or M60 and link up a couple of thousand rounds or so.

    • The Punisher

      Indeed. And with everyone focused on the stocks they’re missing the fact that binary triggers and other things are also up for being banned. In fact the “legislation” is so poorly worded and so general, one gets the idea that ANY modification to the trigger which could “accelerate” firing would be verboten.

      But everyone will just give up and say, “whelp it’s just stupid, silly bump stocks so who cares.” This misses the point entirely and this is why stupid things like the NFA exist. Because we let them or even actively promote it as the NRA is.

      So once again, we have the government we deserve…

      • Budogunner

        You are correct. As I read it, the legislation would also ban binary triggers. Hellfire trigger assist devices (and all similar secondary trigger spring devices, in theory including rubberbands), crank triggers (to include all gatling style guns), and POTENTIALLY ant trigger with shorter reset, lighter pull, and/or less over-travel (any competition trigger) as that is to help with faster follow-up shots by design.

      • Smedley54

        Hopefully this is dealt with by the ATF reversing their decision on bump stocks instead of through legislation, and the existing units are ignored until someone wants to transfer ownership. That preserves most property rights while still getting them under control.

        If things go the legislative route, other things will get caught up and potentially banned. Plus, we’ll end up with triggers specced out by politicians.

        • The Punisher

          No. The ATF doesn’t need to reverse anything. We don’t need additional regulations or restrictions on stocks or any other accessory or object. No law or regulation would’ve prevented what happened.

          We need to stop playing political chess. We need to have the moral fortitude to stand up to any and all attacks on our position. Truth wins out.

          • Smedley54

            We have a solid record of standing our ground, but abandoning “political chess” is unrealistic unless you want an even bigger mess. First we’d get legislative action action regulating rapid fire devices and probably trigger design, then we’d lose the legal battle, and then we’d have even worse troubles with public opinion. Are you really going to take up arms over this? How many do you think would follow?

            Better to give something of small value to gain something better, like “firearm mufflers.”

          • The Punisher

            Wow. You’re already on your knees.

            Who says we have to take up arms? I believe when ~50% of the population vehemently opposes and espouses to hate the other 50% and that half also extremely dislikes/hates the other side then you have a failed marriage, politically speaking.

            From a human relationship perspective people amicably divorce all the time. Is it perfect? No. Does it sometimes get messy? Sure. But both parties are able to heal and move on in time.

            Why can we not do this on a grand scale when it comes to something as important as governance of a population? We’ve all been indoctrinated to believe that secession is a dirty word and that it’s “illegal” and therefor immoral. That’s poppycock.

            I believe if New York, Chicago and LA want to live a certain way and have certain laws – they should. But why should those laws affect anyone outside of those cities? Furthermore why should Washington D.C have a say in what people in Texas or Montana or Oregon do?

            If our forefathers thought that being ruled by a King and Parliament across the Atlantic was absurd then why should we not find it absurd that our “union” should not be perpetual?

            Once again we must seek to form a more perfect way of governing people. I believe this is a local thing. I don’t believe that people hundreds or thousands of miles away should have any say in the day to day lives of people far away and have access to their wallets.

            No need to make a deals with devils. Peacefully withdraw and ignore them. If they come with force of arms then what does that say about the relationship in the first place? Do you put a gun to your wife’s head if she doesn’t say she loves you or she disagrees with you?

          • Smedley54

            This country means a great deal more to me than back door automatic fire devices that ATF should never have approved in the first place. We can agree to disagree, but as a Son of the South I can already tell you how “amicable divorces” work out, so I recommend serious negotiations as a better way. Try to remember that we’re much stronger together than we are apart.

            State and local governments already get to make their own gun law choices within the spirit of the 2A, although several regions need a reminder that *they* are still part of the USA. Negotiation does cut both ways.

          • The Punisher

            LOL.

            Lincoln and the North wanted nothing “amicable”. So the fact that one party decided to use lethal force and invade a newly created sovereign country means that all talk of secession is now laid to rest and final?

            Laughable.

            I guess the people of Catalonia, Britain, Southern Brazil, Basque, Scotland, Flanders, Veneto, etc. haven’t gotten the message!

            You cannot negotiate and work within a system that is beyond broken. Imagine you are in a marriage. Your wife wants to leave you. She no longer tells you she loves you. That upsets you. Would a moral and just response to her no longer loving you and telling you so be to put a gun to her head and demand that she pledge her love and loyalty to you? Would you threaten to kill her if she said she wanted to leave?

            How is it any different on a national level? If people no longer feel represented or they feel that the “system” is rigged or whatever, don’t they have the same rights as a single man or woman? Why is it suddenly moral and just to kill people en masse because they believe something different than you? It doesn’t matter whether it’s over taxes, voting, guns, abortion or a myriad other issues. If people no longer want to be a part of a union it’s only right and just that they be given the opportunity to leave peacefully and try their own thing.

            That we can’t apprehend something so simple is utter madness to me!

          • Smedley54

            Civil War reminders have surrounded me all my life, much more in terms of poverty and illiteracy than in monuments. A century and a half later the South is still damaged from this one catastrophe, so advocating we try it again over bump stocks is dumb. This is less a compromise than giving up something we should never have had and trying to leverage it into something we want. Getting a divorce over kitchen paint color is just stiff necked.

            Our 2a rights are something less than absolute, extending beyond muskets but stopping well short of tactical nukes. We will always have to negotiate, and renegotiate, where we are on that continuum, and negotiation will always be a reality when people try to live together. If you’re always a “my way or the highway” type, you’ll spend a lot of time on the road.

          • The Punisher

            To suggest that this is merely over something as superfluous as a bump stock is unfairly framing the arguement and not taking it seriously. Suggesting that we are merely arguing over “kitchen paint color” is painfully ignorant at best or arrogant at worst.

            Your assertion that the 2nd amendment stops short of tactical nukes is merely that: an assertion.

            You do realize that in the revolutionary time frame and after independence that private people owned gunships right? These were equipped with cannons and the most sophisticated weaponry of the time. And to suggest that we can trust a government entity with nukes but not private citizens is absurd.

            The only entity and people that ever suggest “my way or the highway” are governments and their supporters! For instance, if one does not wish to participate in Social Security or other such taxes, what remedy do they have? They cannot merely opt out. They can literally hit the highway so to speak and expatriate…but expatriate into what? Another nation-state that does the exact same tax-and-redistribute scheme? Some “choice”.

            And if one merely wants to opt out without having to relocate what do you suppose the true “my way or the highway” people will do? They send armed agents with guns (ones you and I aren’t allowed to own mind you) to forcibly evict you from your rightful property and/or take said property against your will.

            Sure seems like a sane way to treat other people and be on a “continuum of negotiation” to me…

            I would end with this: You play by the house rules and the house always wins. Whenever there is a “system” one must look at whom designed this system and for whose benefit. As George Carlin pointed out: “… It’s a big club and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. …The table is tilted, folks… It’s called the American Dream, ’cause you have to be asleep to believe it.”

          • Smedley54

            Who claimed we live in a perfect world? Just consider the Biblical story of Eden as the original morality play: two people handed a perfect world with one simple rule, and they still screw it up. There are no worlds without rules imposed by a tyrannical nature and those concocted by people.

          • The Punisher

            With that kind of logic then the tyrant should always win. I mean, it’s not a perfect world and there’s always going to be bad guys doing bad things…so why even try?

            Are you a nihilist?

            More sidestepping of important questions…

          • Smedley54

            There’s a lot of ground between Eden and tyrant; our choices are much better than simple binary so I’m far from nihilistic. I’m also uninterested in chasing every stalking horse you concoct, although I will discuss actual issues.

            My original point was, and is, coexistence requires negotiation and compromise but everyone is better off with it than without.

          • The Punisher

            Who says the ~50% of the population that disagrees fundamentally with liberty-minded people want to coexist or negotiate?

            That, I think, is one of the deadly traps we’ve fallen into. We’ve bought into Lincoln’s “union at all costs” mentality and bought into the “secession is illegal and doesn’t work” mentality because an army decided to invade and kill a bunch of people.

            A man and woman can choose to coexist in a marriage or they can choose to coexist outside of marriage. But if one party wants to leave the marriage it’s unlawful and immoral to force the other party to stay married.

            Why can’t we grasp that politically?

            Are choices certainly aren’t binary and I wasn’t implying that they were. But negotiating away freedom should never be an option. Better to live peacefully separate from people who are antithetical to rights and liberty.

          • Smedley54

            My answer is still that we’re stronger, safer, and more prosperous together while your counter argument boils down to “You’re not the boss of me!”. If you’re so miserable as a US citizen, then you’re free to leave anytime. Your challenge is finding someplace that suits you better and that will let you immigrate.

            Too few folks want secession enough to vote for it, and even then, they’d never agree on how to actually run the place. It sounds like you have an idealized image of how this would work, but the reality more closely resembles “Lord of the Flies”.

            Directly relevant to your divorce example, people get the spouse they deserve. Too often, someone goes through two, three, or four marriages without learning anything and then, too soon, life is over and they’re miserable. Commit to making it work and see what happens.

          • The Punisher

            Immigrating to another country is not a proper solution. Although I’ve actually done it. Unlike most, I put my money where my mouth is, vote with my feet, etc.

            But that doesn’t do anything to answer the bigger question of peacefully solving our political and other differences. You can feel that we’re “stronger, safer and more prosperous together” but what lengths are you willing to go to to force that on everyone? What about the population that disagrees with you? This isn’t “You’re not the boss of me” this is “Please remove the gun from my head and let me live in peace”.

            Your assessment isn’t true regarding secession. Just take Catalonia. The Spanish government refuses to view the people of Catalonia as sovereigns over their own destiny. People all over Europe, South America and even in the US would like to separate peacefully. It is not the will to do it that is not there, it’s the will to let the people do it that is forceful and coercive. People in California, Oregon, Washington, Texas and elsewhere have all had referendums to secede. And they’re gaining steam. I don’t worry about it too much because forced relationships always come to an end. Empires fall. The future of the US will be in smaller political entities. My concern is the means to get there. There’s not need for violence or bloodshed. But I’m sure the Fedgov will ensure that there’s war rather than peaceful dissolution…it’s already proven that once.

            Again, your assessment on marriage is missing the point. While I agree that committing to making it work is the ideal situation – granted that both parties want that and there is no force in the equation. But politically we have people who do not want to continue the relationship and we have force and coercion involved. Frankly, it’s an abusive relationship and everyone has the right to voluntarily nullify any abusive relationship.

          • Smedley54

            Since we’re circling back around on this, could you please explain what you believe is cause for secession? It has to be more than bump-stocks.

  • bruce Cambell

    The typical life of a slide fire stock.
    1. I want to experience full auto !!
    2. Spend $250 to purchase slide fire stock
    3. Excited ! Run home and install on the AR
    4. Finally, Found a range that allow my to use it
    5. Packed my gear and 200 rounds of ammo
    6. Went to the range and used all of my ammo in about 5 minutes
    7. Fun?
    8. Went home and removed slidefire stock and threw it in the drawer
    9. Depressed because I just wasted $50 in of ammo.
    10. put the stock up for sale at the next gun show.

    • 1kRider

      This is exactly why I never bought one. Everyone said the same thing, Now, I’m kicking myself for not buying one. LOL

      • Smedley54

        Pretty sure I’d walk the other way at this point since that’s the wrong kind of attention.

        • mosinman

          owning a scary black rifle is the “wrong” kind of attention now a days

          • Smedley54

            Camo’s nice.

          • Paul McCain

            That’s why I only use a SCAR 16S in multi-hued gentle earth tones. It is so pretty and so not dangerous.

      • Cal S.

        Old saying: “I never wanted it until they told me I couldn’t have it.”

        I was considering buying one months ago to work in conjunction with a bipod. I had that same consideration Monday morning when they were still $124 on the website I had open. That was before I refreshed it Monday afternoon.

        If I weren’t unemployed I would have bought it then and there. But alas.

    • MiamiC70

      You forgot clear jam every 3 rounds

    • Lee Enfield

      Paid $90 shipped for the patent infringing version.

      Chews up ammo just like a 30K$ machine gun. So what?

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    While I on principle oppose the banning of any gun (or feature or component thereof), I wouldnt care in the slightest if all slidefire stocks and their equivalents ceased to exist.

    If I owned one you bet Id be selling right now.

  • Paul O.

    Tried out a bump fire once and dismissed it as a silly range toy and a waste of ammo. No desire to own one.

    • Gabriel Owens

      +1 from every sensible gun owner ever

      • AJ187

        Well eventually the anti’s will get to something you care about. And someone will say that a flash hider isn’t really necessary or a pinned collapsible stock is just fine for target practice….etc

    • Lee Enfield

      Gun-E (Gun-Elite)

      But yet when ever I take mine to an outing there is a line of people that will line up with their own ammo and want to take it for a spin. Was never a person who didn’t leave with a big grin.

      Remind me how a machine gun at the range is a “useful” use of ammo?

      Second, when were you promoted to be my financial advisor.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    I think the NRA is beginning to sense that the days of their being able to hold the line through stonewalling after these little incidents are coming to an end. For the first time in history more people live in cities instead of rural areas and a large portion of the population has no experience with firearms. Those people vote like it or not.

    • Edeco

      You’re not wrong but stonewalling was always a losing strategy. Unprincipled, inelegant, uncharismatic. It’s like John Milton apparently (I’m weak on his history/philosophy atm) thought there is no standing still, things have to get better or worse.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Youre right, that strategy was only a holding action.
        I think that in a country with this many guns where the largest mental health care providers are prisons with the NRA totally unwilling to give an inch then these things are just going to happen until a tipping point is reached and we find ourselves past the point of reasonable compromise.

        • DaMan

          But what is the “reasonable compromise?” It’s not like anti-gun groups will pack up and go home if they get universal background checks or ban AR-15s or whatever the topic of the week is, they’ll just move on to the next objective until guns are totally outlawed. It’s more like tug-o-war, where every inch the other side gains brings you closing to losing.

          I agree that the NRA is losing the hearts and minds war with ordinary Americans, but you really can’t compromise with an opponent who’s end goal is the exact opposite of yours.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I dont know exactly where the two sides can meet but the definition of compromise is each side giving something in order to achieve the goal. Personally I dont think guns could ever be totally banned in the US, not in a thousand years and I havent heard any (viable) candidate express that goal. My fear is that if we, as gun owners, dont start showing that we at least understand the fears and frustrations of non gun owners when insane things like this happen we may wake up one day with the tide of public opinion turned against us.
            And as an owner of several NFA items I have a lot to lose.

          • Mystick

            There is no such thing as “compromise” in the modern paradigm of partisan “politics”. If one side comes up with an idea, despite any true value it may have to the public, the other side will oppose it on principle and come up with some machinated reason for doing so through opposition research, identity “politics”, ad hominem attacks, and whatever other selfish tools they have in the box.

            Politics IS compromise, and there is no longer a doctrine of true politics practiced in the US arena of governance. The sad irony to the situation is that the only endpoint to this doctrine is one in which firearms will be a necessary commodity. It’s happened before, people don’t learn the lessons of history, and it will happen again.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Youre correct I think.
            Our political “leaders” on both sides are incapable of dealing with complex issues.
            Which sucks because we kinda have a lot going on currently.

          • john huscio

            The US isnt gonna last much past 2030……just a feeling….

          • DaMan

            There’s the rub: both sides have to give something up, and the anti-gun crowd is never willing to do that.

            For example, I don’t oppose universal background checks in principle if some conditions were met:
            1. They are instantaneous, free, and can be done over the phone by anyone and don’t require a dealer.
            2. There are no records of seller or buyer kept. Think a of something like a numerical checksum to prove you did the check.
            3. There are absolutely life destroying criminal penalties for any government employee who even tries to keep prohibited records with zero prosecutorial discretion on if charges are filed, no plea bargains allowed, and no sentencing discretion

            Of course I would also want something like national concealed carry in trade. That would be a compromise. The anti-gun crowd would never entertain it, because it’s not about background checks or keeping guns out of criminal hands for them, it’s about getting rid of guns one step at a time. Universal background checks a just a step in the process, and one they can sell as “reasonable” to those who don;t have a dog in the fight.

        • nadnerbus

          The simple truth, in my mind, is that the average American is going to see bump stocks (now that they know they even exist) as full auto loopholes. Which, honestly, they are. I know the legal technicality that makes them not, but the result they produce speaks for itself. The average American knows, or should know, that full auto firearms are highly restricted and rare, while these are not. Those are two truths in the average voter’s mind, that will not add up.

          We all know that any ban will do nothing, and that it will not appease any future attempts at gun restrictions, but I just don’t see defending these as worth the expenditure of political capital it would take.

          Basically all the major gun retailers online have removed them from their listings, to which everyone is freaking out and calling them sellouts. This is hysteria, and everyone needs to calm down and think about this.

    • SP mclaughlin

      I think more people have been living in cites for a long time now, but I might be wrong.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Just in the 21st century I believe

  • Edeco

    Don’t ban the bump!

    I’m usually succeptible to panic buys because I’m a recalcitrant horse’s butt and resent being told what to do. But to me the bump is too mewling an approximation of auto fire. It’s like how during the AWB I figured I wouldn’t even try to scrounge up a set of reliable Glock, AR or AK mags. Still I of course think I and others should have the option.

  • nova3930

    So when does everyone stop selling shoestring machine guns?

    • Cymond

      When they are actually declared as such

  • Mystick

    I’m surprised they haven’t even mentioned the magazines. Every picture I have seen of the crime scene shows piles of 3 or 4-wide stack true “high/extended capacity” magazines. Thank God for the ignorance of reporters when it comes to firearms… sometimes.

    • Edeco

      Heaven forbid they realize those mags are a thing, and that there are scary-sounding names for them.

  • ShrimplyPibbles

    Gotta get that terrorist toy.

  • 22winmag

    Speaking of web trends… the more howitzer, aircraft, flashlight, knife, and military procurement drama articles appear on TFB, the more readership goes down.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3fbc0f94207eea975299fcd3af0594f453d62c440899916e7af9f94bc4f3e9e8.jpg

  • Geoff

    So this is how The Great Cuckening continues.

    I’m sure it’s totally not planned or anything. Just a random crazy white guy, goyim. Nothing fishy here at all.

  • James

    After Sandy hook everyone freaked out and ARs were fetching a pretty penny. One day I was at the gun shop and ran into an old work buddy. He was wanting a new ar but didn’t have the money. He asked me what I had to trade. I mentioned I had a sub2000 and loved it but wasn’t really trying to sell it.

    He offered a trade. A 2 month old colt new agent in 9mm. With crimson trace grips, factory grips, mags, holsters everything.

    I took the trade.

  • Simon Riley

    Then, I will make my own bump-fire grip.

    • Klaus Von Schmitto

      Why don’t you just make your own full auto then? The penalty is going to be the same.

  • valorius

    Gotta love people looking to make $ from the worst tragedy in America since 9-11.

    • iksnilol

      It’s called capitalism, go be a commie somewhere else… pls.

      /sarcasm

      • valorius

        As a former cold warrior, please allow me to tell you to go F yourself.

        • iksnilol

          Why former cold warrior? You put on a jacket?

          • valorius

            Let me know if you figure it out.

    • Cymond

      Anti-Gunners are the ones seeking to exploit the tragedy to achieve their goals. The panic buyers are merely responding to that, and the mark-up sellers are merely responding to the buyers.

      I have no desire to make a profit off of tragedy, but if i don’t see anything wrong with selling at a mark-up if I can dispose of something I don’t want, get it to someone who wants it, and make a buck.

      • valorius

        The panic buyers (who are panicking over a gimmick product that can be replicated with a piece of string) are idiots, and anyone that jacked up their auction prices after the shooting is the moral equivalent to the scum bags that sell bottled water for $30 a bottle after a natural disaster.

        Just my opinion.

  • Well, I can think of several scenarios facing the bump stocks. The anti-American politicians and lobbyists fight like hogs in a mud pit overt a candy bar to get both AR’s and bump stocks banned. Unable to get AR’s banned, they go after bump fire stocks. Unable to ban those, after much finaggling and fighting, they get the ATF to make them NFA items and that’s that. It seems Mr Pollock has done as much to hurt the 2nd Amendment as Mr Obama.

  • Obi Sean

    Right now somebody with a bump stock is looking for a guy with a 3d printer…

  • Donovan Kevin Moore

    Coward’s move across the industry.