BREAKING: House Passes Bill MANDATING Transfer of ALL US Army M1911 Handguns to the CMP

The United States House of Representatives has just passed their version of the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), and included within it is a provision that will mandate the release of all M1911 handguns currently in US Army inventory to the Civilian Marksmanship Program, for distribution to eligible US civilians. The new bill would overwrite the 2016 NDAA, which allowed for the release of 10,000 of the pistols, but did not mandate it. The text of Section 1064 of the 2018 NDAA is as follows:

SEC. 1064. TRANSFER OF SURPLUS FIREARMS TO CORPORATION FOR THE PROMOTION OF RIFLE PRACTICE AND FIREARMS SAFETY.

(a) In General.—Section 40728(h) of title 36, United States Code, is amended—

(1) by striking “(1) Subject to paragraph (2), the Secretary may transfer” and inserting “The Secretary shall transfer”;

(2) by striking “The Secretary shall determine a reasonable schedule for the transfer of such surplus pistols.”; and

(3) by striking paragraph (2).

(b) Termination Of Pilot Program.—Section 1087 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2016 (Public Law 114–92; 129 Stat. 1012) is amended by striking subsections (b) and (c).

Although the 2016 NDAA allowed for the release of 10,000 M1911 handguns via a pilot program, its provisions did not mandate their transfer to the CMP, and the administration at the time reportedly blocked their release. The 2018 NDAA’s provisions would terminate the pilot program, and instead mandate the release of all surplus M1911 handguns to the CMP via the Secretary of the Army, striking paragraph 2 of section (h), which currently reads:

(2)

The Secretary may not transfer more than 10,000 surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols to the corporation during any year and may only transfer such pistols as long as pistols described in paragraph (1) remain available for transfer.

If this bill passes the Senate – and right now, odds look quite good that it will be – then we could see the transfer of thousands of surplus M1911 handguns to the US civilian market via the CMP. Although these guns are likely to be well-worn, they still could have considerable value as collector’s pieces, inexpensive shooting irons, and workpieces for customization.

More details on the bill, and comments made by its sponser Rep. Rogers from Alabama, is available via an article at Guns.com.



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He is also the author of the original web serial Heartblood, which is being updated and edited regularly. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Audie Bakerson

    Is there a provision excluding limited number of display pieces ect. or is it truly “all”?

    • SGT Fish

      700 bucks barely covers the cost of the aimpoint

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        Economies of scale, friend. When buying in bulk (read: 20,000+ units) you can get prices down pretty low.

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      Full auto cannot be sold, as they were in the Army’s inventory when the machine gun registry was closed. They would have to be destroyed or possibly de-milled.

      Unless those guns having existed before the registry was closed allows them to be registered and transferred. A man can dream.

      • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

        The registry can be opened via an act of congress. In fact, depending on the wording of the 86 FOPA/Hughes Amendment, an executive order could possibly do it.

        Also, the receivers can be demilled and the rest of the parts sold as parts kits.

      • Audie Bakerson

        I thought fixing that as part of it didn’t need to be stated.

      • Anonymoose

        Full-autos can be and are sold as parts kits. A lot of complete M16A1 and M16A2 uppers are on the market. I don’t think many surplus M16A4 uppers are on the market yet, but they ought to be, and they ought to have the M5 RAS included!

  • idahoguy101

    Interesting but thirty years too late

  • Vaquero357x2

    Shut up and take my money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Edeco

    Oooh, I want one to put a bushing comp on and acrylic grips with anime cheesecake pics underneath.

  • Anonymoose

    Watch these all get snagged up by the same rich OFWGs who snag up all the Garands, Carbines, and 1903s, even though they’ve already got dozens of them in their collections.

    Also, what will Delta Force do? (yes, I know they buy fancy COTS custom 1911s if they even use 1911s at all and not GLAWK 19s and 17s, or the SIGs and HKs which are now overshadowed by basic GLAWKs)

    • Warren Ellis

      Couldn’t Delta Force just either use the M45A1s some of the Marines are using or just use that P320 pistol or whatever?

      • Anonymoose

        They will probably keep their GLAWK 17s and 19s that they adore so much these days. Larry Vickers actually came on the comments section here at TFB and said they switched from custom M1911A1s to Glock 22s and then to Glock 17s years ago. 1911s are really old hat now. The M45A1 is seen as some cruel joke perpetrated by crusty old brass. Of course being spec ops guys they can actually carry whatever they want and the Glocks are just the bottomline that they are issued. I heard from another reputable source that individual SEALs have carried Ruger Blackhawks and Colt Officer’s models into battle, and just don’t give a crap what anyone else thinks.

        • Nicks87

          Dont forget the Tomahawks. I heard they are really useful for dismembering corpses.

          • john huscio

            Or getting through doors/into vehicles

          • Phillip Cooper

            Not that I put any credence into your assertion at all- but to be quite honest, if they WERE dismembering these primitive 12th-century murdering shithead’s corpses and leaving them for the dogs to eat, I’d have utterly no problem with it.

            Hell, dig a huge hole, sew the bodies into pigskin, and cover them with pig entrails. I have no problem with it.

          • Smedley54

            The ones dismembering corpses are likely to be the psyops folks.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            Some say cruise missiles are overkill for dismembering jihadi carcasses (not corpses, corpses were human), but I strongly disagree.

          • Bill

            Yup. A few of the really lucky ones get lased and then bombed individually by F-16s. I’ve seen the videos, and that’s what you call going out with a bang!

        • Warren Ellis

          I thought the M45A1s are issued more specifically for those groups who held onto their 1911s during the switchover to the Baretta so they mostly just get modernized 1911s and all?

          • Anonymoose

            But they’d still rather have G19s. The M45A1 has had issues with cracking since early in its deployment.

    • Ark

      Goes up for sale. Sells out in fifteen minutes. All pistols reappear on Gunbroker at a 100% markup.

      • TDog

        Wouldn’t that be the definition of capitalism?

        • Dave Shriva

          ah capitalism… and yall thought you were gonna get 1911s for a good price aaaaaahahahahahahahaha

      • Kevin Graham

        Should go to veterans first

        • Dan

          No they shouldn’t. Non vet tax payers out number vets. Also Civilian Marksmanship Program. Not Vets first Program. I would accept WW2 vets getting dibs but that is pretty much it.

          • Scott Hanson

            I think you need to rethink your stance…I think VETs of any time should be first….well maybe you don’t understand cause your not a vet.

          • mreams13

            I’m a veteran and I don’t think there should be a veteran-first program. That’s just stupid.

          • Dan

            Thank you sir. You are one of the vets that I honest to God admire and respect. Unfortunately I have many in my family that use their Vet status to take advantage of peoples respect and programs that should go to vets that really need them.

          • Frankie D

            I agree. I’m a retired cop and carried a handgun for 31 years defending my community, and I don’t feel entitled to any type of preferential treatment. First come first serve and only one per customer.

          • Dan

            No i shouldn’t rethink my stance. I understand full well I also understand non vets out spend vets when it comes to tax payer money. You’re not above the average American. You are no more entitled to them than anyone else. You are not an entitled first class citizen. Perhaps you should rethink your stance. The same people that penned the 2nd Amendment considered a standing army a threat. Quit using your Vet status to climb the ladder.

          • Dennis

            Quit using your penny’s instead of offering your life to justify what was not earned, sissy! You obviously don’t have any honor or moral backbone from the words you have just painted yourself with.

            It must be a horror to live your life in fear.

          • Dan

            Did you really just call me a sissy? What are you 12? Honor and moral backbone? Like that which you are displaying? Please tell me how you have kept me free. Specifically you. The the collective efforts of the U.S. government because that would involve a large, very large number of non military personnel. I’ll sit here and wait.
            I love the personal attacks. Reminds me of another group of people that believed they were above the population. Are you a closet racist by chance too?

          • Dennis

            I see that you sissy Marxist azz can’t help but use logical fallacy and a fallacious rationalization to substantiate you safe space.

          • Dennis

            Since you account yourself as non military you certainly don’t need the weapons which can be better put to use in the hands of veterans who at least put themselves out there.

            I love how you pulled the race card without so much asa hint about race was stated. In fact I served with all manner of races. Even more telling is the fact that you consider any vet a racist since we who have been tried see no color in the brother or sister next to us.

            You little Marxist tail is showing beneath you yellow back.

          • Dan

            I now look forward to you trying to paint me as un patriotic un american pinko commie liberal that hates the Military.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            U r a vet hatin’, un-patriotic, un-american, pinko commie liberal that hates the Military

            The new Vette is awesome.

            Damn Ford guys! ;(

          • Dan

            Lol. I don’t like Fords. I’m a chevy guy.

          • fnu lnu

            So, you became a veteran in order to get to the front of the line? I thought it was to defend the Constitution. CMP already offers vets quick access to membership, but you want >….< much more than everyone else. Real classy. Civilians do nice things for vets and others who serve the populous because they want to, not because they have to. Moreover, those in the rear with the gear think they're just as "entitled" as those who were in forward posts, so how does anyone determine which person gets further up the line? I thank someone when they show appreciation (20 years on the job with my share of baggage for the rest of my life), and I pay it forward; I don't expect or demand it because that's not why I chose the career.

          • Dennis

            We don’t care what cowards accept. War and being prepared for war is not democratic. Maybe you need some basic reasoning skills.

            Hope you sleep well knowing that there are actual men out there willing to die for your sniveling worthless hide.

            We don’t demand a damned thing. We are/were under contract to protect you of less heart. The CMP was created to encourage marksmanship for future military skills. Evidently you don’t need them, you haven’t the testicular fortitude. You just announced that to the world.

            Thanks for self identifying.

        • BaconLovingInfidel

          No.

          Absolutely not.

          CMP isn’t for vets, it’s for American civilians whether or not they served.

          • M40

            The CMP was established in 1903 as a means to provide surplus arms to the civilian public. The only reason there were surplus arms in the first place, is because they had already been offered to those who carried them in wartime.

            Through both world wars, vets were offered the opportunity to purchase their service weapons at a highly discounted rate. Many were simply given for free if the military deemed them too worn for future service. Roughly half of all soldiers decided to keep their service rifle and sidearm for sentimental reasons. But those that weren’t purchased, went into the CMP and were offered to the civilian market.

            The practice of offering service weapons to the soldiers upon their discharge ended somewhere around the Korean War era, and the military began keeping everything, no matter how worn.

          • Dab

            See that I agree with. The ability to purchase the rifle you used. If the CMP offered guns and a Vet had a serial number it would be cool for that vet to purchase that firearm. 1911’s probably wont have the sentimental value a rifle has but it would be cool regardless. Or if I wanted to find the gun my Grandpa used would be neat too.

          • M40

            My grandfather and great uncle were both too young to join before WWII ended, but both joined the Army Air Corps, and both flew in the Korean War era. I’m sure they both had 1911’s issued but I’m pretty sure neither were allowed to bring them home. I know my family would be thrilled if there was some way to trace those numbers back and buy the guns they carried.

          • richard kluesek

            My uncle was a pilot for the Canadian AF in ww2, was too ‘old’ for USAF, and was assigned to fly new B17 s off a production line into eastern Canada. From there these were picked up and flown by other crews to Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, then England. Would have liked to inherit his 1911 and pistol belt he used then that he showed to me during the 60s, but my cousin, his son, got it and pawned it for a few bucks. Alas.

          • Dan

            My Dad was too young for WW2 entered just after Korea and was out for Vietnam. My grandpa was a Mennonite so he didn’t serve. All my uncles however is know would have liked their service rifles.

          • richard kluesek

            They were honorable men and did their duty with dignity, no one renounced citizenship and fled to Canada.

          • jcitizen

            My Dad carried his on every B-17 mission, yet it looked brand new – he took very good care of it. 100% of the blue finish still on it! It was the old WW! straight back strap with the older trigger – M1911 but not an A1. I have it safely tucked away in the vault. I don’t think it has had more that a box of ammo through it since WW2!

          • ciscokid3750

            Wishful thinking because the amount of paper work would require employing so many people it would push the price to astronomical levels. In other words do you have a spare 25,000 bucks to buy one.

          • WARRIORI

            I must have been misled somewhere along the line. I thought commissioned officers were allowed to keep their issue sidearms.

          • milesfortis

            The only officers that have the opportunity to purchase their issue pistols are General Officers who are issued specially made ‘GO’ serial numbered M9 pistols and accouterments.
            When they retire, they may pay the AMDF listed price.

          • Fail Bot

            My grandfather was in the Navy and was able to keep his m1911 from the Korean War. The general Navy has veered far from issuing people their own weapons. We checked out ship’s weapons when on duty but never had one of our own.

          • art frewin

            here is what i think.those that want them because they carried it even the automatics if the go through the paper work. maybe we could get the price of autos down. second no selling more then one gun type per person. as long as they get into circulation is what is important. if you get a 45 only one you have the right to sell it for money at the going rate. capitalism is what makes this country great, but our legislators have f ed it up and we are turning into socialism. the problem with socialism is it is very close to communism. of course those that want this very bad are the elites. with that it is not so hard to take control.` that way they can speed up and will speed up the new world order. another thing they need to do is get rid of paper money. they have started that all ready. that will leave everyone controlled by the state. those that control the money control everything else. those trying to take control of the money will tell you how much simpler it would be and how it would stop crime, etc, etc. they will never tell they now have control of you and what you spend your money on. a keyboard and they can stop you from buying anything they want. we need to fight for cash. make sure someone can only buy one of any model. that will make sure it is distributed and not have one guy buy for resale.

          • nicholsda

            If a vet asks about a specific rifle’s serial number and they have it, they will sell it to that person. It sometimes took a few years to work thru the crates to get to that number but they did let the person know when it became available.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            “I would love to see them offered first to the men who carried them in wartime.”

            I would not be opposed to that.

          • priest2

            I have a Swiss friend. At the end of his compulsory service in the Swiss Army, he was offered this personal weapon (a rifle) to buy and take home if he wanted!! He declined because he was immigrating to the USA.

          • nicholsda

            Why just in “wartime”? Dad served from Dec 6, 1946 to 1971. Now even though Truman declared the war ended on Dec 31, 1946, the last Japanese soldier did not surrender until the early 70s. While on Guam in 1953 to 1956, dad ( or who ever went ) had to carry a 1911 or a 1903A3 when they went to the antenna field as those soldiers still had working rifles and shot at the Navy guys. Dad, due to the nature of his work, had a weapon close by even when on a ship.

          • Dennis

            Read the charter. The program was to encourage the shooting sports to be put to use in time of war.

            Oh ye knowers of nothing… how is it you remember to breathe?

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            “Read the charter. The program was to encourage the shooting sports to be put to use in time of war.”

            Don’t be a dunce.

            How in the hell would providing surplus arms to civilians who are veterans (and thus trained soldiers) possibly serve that purpose?

            It would NOT.

            The idea is to promote modern military firearms knowledge and capability by civilians (youth in particular) in order to create a superior pool of civilians from which to recruit future soldiers.

            “Oh ye knowers of nothing… how is it you remember to breathe?”

            Your empty arrogance is born purely from ignorance. Show me where in the charter or in US 36 II B 47 anything contradicts what I’ve stated.

            You can’t. Because you’re completely wrong, and I’m 100% right.

            The statute doesn’t create any responsibility to the military or vets beyond it’s core purpose. Conversely, it charges the US Army with responsibilities of assistance to CMP’s mission.

          • Dan

            You are making an argument where there never was one. My entire point was that vets shouldn’t get first choice. That’s not the purpose of the CMP. If you are not current active military what are you? A civilian therefore you get to stand in line with the rest of us subhumans you despise.

          • David Christensen

            I agree that it should stick too it’s charter. CIVILLIAN MARKSMANSHIP PROGRAM! We don’t have enough people currently joining that can shoot, unlike most past wars. But I also believe there should be a careful LIMIT so that a few folks aren’t allowed to suck them all up for resale. How about an oath that you will keep the gun for a minimum amount of time before selling….

          • Dan

            I would agree to a no resale period clause. A set period of time or in case of hardship.

          • Dan

            Sorry dude i was typing in the sun. Thought i was replying to his royal majesty

          • Dennis

            Your unintelligible citation of a statute makes your presentment doubly dubious. Care to try again.

            Shooting is a perishable skill. Anyone in the military or police will confirm that. Obviously you have no idea. You would put arms in the hands of individuals who have no experience at all over those who could put them to use, except to be able to point them in a specific direction, load and shoot them. You decry the veteran but elect to call on the veterans to assist in your presentment. How utterly convoluted you are.

          • Dan

            By civilians? Or by americas 1st class? I mean vets such as yourself? You also forget there are people who cannot serve due to religious reasons? I suppose they have no business in Your America either?

          • Dennis

            Those who don’t serve for religious reasons can’t use weapons. It is against their religion….. Very telling that you didn’t see your own contridiction.

          • Surly Old Sergeant

            If they won’t serve, then they have no reason to be buying weapons from a program that is intended to promote firearms training for MILITARY SERVICE.

            If you want a gun, go pay full retail for something “sporting.” The CMP doesn’t exist to provide weapons to those who refuse to bear them in defense of their country.

          • Dan

            See your issue is you saw me post a comment then you went full butthurt. Somehow my unwillingness to drag my lips across the ground you walk irks you. The CMP should not be a Vet first program. I didn’t say cut all Vet associated programs let them die in the streets. It’s ok bro you don’t need VIP status for everything.

          • Dennis

            It’s not your status,it’s your arrogance that peaks my curiosity and thus the post. It was a probing patrol to test the enemy’s strength, not much there.

            Butt hurt???? I am not butt hurt but responded in like kind. Your reaction is exactly what I thought it would be. I pointed out some basic truths and did it in terms that would excite an emotional reaction. You were so unsure of your self assured presentment that you reacted in an emotional rant that revealed more than you would if responding to an attempt at reason.

            You position yourself as one who is not willing to serve but demand access of arms intended to train those disposed to serve. You even used the religious exemption from combat service without realizing that these people cannot use or have access to arms. I suppose that you would demand they have arms meant for those disposed to serve as well.

            Brilliant!

          • Steven Feil

            Vets are CIVILIANS.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            Yes, and as civilians they’re not entitled to preferential treatment by CMP over other civilians.

        • spatin

          I agree. Vets should get 1st chance to buy these.

        • Frankie D

          I’d be happy if they just went to Americans!

          • Kevin Graham

            I agree 💯 but I doubt if most of us will be able to afford anyway and I’m not a member of the cmp either so that let’s me out lol

          • Dan

            Well sir now you are asking for way too much!!!

        • Randy Darino

          why?I have rights also.I served as a LEO,am I not a full citizen??

          • Kevin Graham

            As a leo do you deploy 18 months at a time not seeing your wife and kids, friends, family, babies born, elders die, not being able to go to weddings, funerals, birthdays, do you sleep leaning against a concrete wall sitting on the dirt or in your nice soft bed, not worried about being mortared while you slept…. watch your friends and co-workers desintegrate right in front of your eyes, because the people your are there to help send their children to you wear a damned suicide vest, how many of your fellow leo commit suicide daily because of the deployment (s)…. you go right ahead and buy as many as you can afford I’ll pass and keep the 1911 I have…..

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            Bizarre and ridiculous response to what he asked. CMP was designed to build civilian skills with firearms, not to provide veterans with firearms or training.

            CMP has nothing whatsoever to do with veteran benefits.

          • Kevin Graham

            Lmfao

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            Deep thinking there, Kevin.

            Care to attempt any sort of coherent response to what I wrote?

            It doesn’t appear that you have any idea what you’re talking about at all.

          • Kevin Graham

            Oh yes your absolutely right I don’t, but you obviously do don’t you… come on you can come up with better insults for me than that can’t you…..

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            I didn’t insult anyone. Your comment was irrational and irrelevant.

          • Kevin Graham

            Well hell I’ll remove my comments just for you!!! My point was someone that ‘was’ in law enforcement was not the same as a deployed veteran, although the current leo unfortunately have targets on their back nowadays due to the idiotic anti police rhetoric and the butthurt snowflakes. My comments may be irrational but they are no less relevant than yours. Veterans used these weapons before they should be given an option to purchase them when released. It’s not about benefits

    • Nicks87

      Ah, shucks now the SEALs wont be able to canoe insurgents anymore. Might have to switch back to the Mk 23.

      • Phillip Cooper

        to “canoe” insurgents?? What does this mean?

        • Destro Yakisoba

          Warheads on foreheads. Of the 5.56mm variety.

        • M40

          Turning a skull into a dugout canoe… usually accomplished by a well placed shot when an enemy pops up to take a peek at the field of battle.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            Charlie don’t surf.

            Hadji don’t float.

            Winning hearts and minds, one canoe at a time.

          • M40

            Most just want to win a war… but the liberals insisted we win their hearts and minds too. And thus we have the double-tap.

    • PK

      Just be patient. I expect that in coming decades, there will be a large amount of estate sales flooding the market with milsurps, while the demand will be lower thanks to interest primarily being in more modern firearms.

      • BaconLovingInfidel

        Maybe.

        I stupidly sold a sweet Marlin .357 rifle to some random guy in my neighborhood roughly twenty years ago for $350, making a tidy $25 profit after putting a few boxes of ammo through it.

        I was at a gun show a few months ago, and there was my rifle, minor pit bull puppy chew marks and all. Jerk asked $900, couldn’t talk him below $800.

        Checked out some SKS’s for my Godson at the same show. People were asking $350-400 for freaking SKS’s and were totally unimpressed with my tales of tiny prices in the olden days.

        • PK

          Well, we’ll see. I’m patient.

    • Taylor Hardin

      A guy that comes into my gun shop on a regular basis has, not joke 70 Garands. He has transferred at least 20 in the last couple of months. They are all rack grade CMP rearsenaled. so nothing special. Most are not even numbers matching.

      • mazkact

        I’m pretty sure there is no such thing as a numbers matching Garand unless maybe it is a tool room prototype. I’ve owned “correct” Garands with all or most of the parts being same manufacturer and period correct. Not sniping at you. I’ve just owned,collected and shot Garands most of my life and heard way too many gun shop stories about the all numbers matching 😉 Singer 😉 made M1 Garand someone used to have 😉

        • Taylor Hardin

          Ok that maybe true, idk Im not a Garand nerd, but I can say that 70 of the same rifle is dumb. All that money spent could have got him one of the early, actually valuable models or even a machine gun that will always go up in value.

        • Norm Glitz

          I have one that I got from the DCM (pre-CMP) in ’88. It’s a 1945 Springfield that looks to have never been disassembled. My brother in law has a Winchester that’s similar. That one looks to have never been fired after the initial testing.

    • BaconLovingInfidel

      I’ve heard Delta is switching to single action Colt Peacemakers because none of them have big enough hands to sport 1847 Walkers like Josey Wales.

    • John Burch

      I’ve snagged one of each and not rich at all. fingers crossed for one of these babies!

    • i1776

      What if they’re OFHG’s or OFBG’s? Then what?

  • Warren Ellis

    I imagine the M45A1 won’t be included correct? They’re pretty new from what I remember.

    • M.

      Lol they aren’t giving out brand new handguns to the CMP

    • SGT Fish

      most of those already got sold on gunbroker after SOCOM returned them to colt. Sorry bud, but you missed out earlier this year

  • Destro Yakisoba

    Next up, gazillions of Garands!!

    • Fail Bot

      Japan’s Gorilla?

      • 日本のゴリラ

        いただきます

  • Joe

    Sounds great, depending on the price point.

    • PK

      And, of course, if any of them aren’t entirely beat up… which isn’t too likely. Expect these to be extremely well used, mixed up parts, and historically interesting, but not reliable shooters.

  • Hellbilly

    These 1911s will sell-out in 5 minutes and re-appear at gun shows for triple the cost.

    • BillC

      I don’t really think so. I don’t think there will be a big 2nd hand market for beat to Hell surplus 1911’s. People will want them from the CMP, but not JoeBob on Gunbroker.

      • pojodog

        Totally depends on their condition.

        If they are beat to hell, you are correct. However; if they were in deep storage in another country like the Korean M1s, that will be a different story altogether.

        Who manufactured them, and when, will also be huge factors.

        • BillC

          Considering soooo many were made during WWII, new production stopped after. Instead, they were just continually rebuilt/refurbished. There may be a handful (relative term) that are considered collector grade, but it’s probably a safe bet that most are well used, but shoot-able, and not rare, even if somebody snatches them all up. Even then, their premium probably won’t be enough to move them. The nostalgia card can be duplicated with the GI inspired clones that are made in the Philippines already.

      • Ark

        I’m really wondering about this. Scuttlebut suggests they will be absolutely beat to crap. People will still buy them, but it will be a different matter if we’re talking glorified wall hangers.

        Maybe CMP will do their own refurbishment.

  • MrBill

    Yeah!

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    If I can get one for $300 that works most of the time for a range toy Ill be a very happy man.

    • Ark

      LMAO try $900.

      • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

        Im the one who should be laughing. You can buy a brand new Kimber, Sig, Springfield, and many other respectable 1911s for that much.

        These are 50+ year old worn out mass produced surplus 1911s. Not exactly in the same class.

        When they come out Ill gladly sell you one for $900 though.

  • Maxpwr

    The law should have included M9s as surplus as they become available, too. Give the tax paying citizens the right to buy all legal surplus.

  • USMC03Vet

    I’m gonna get one and use it at the front door. Just rattle the 1911 instead of knocking.

    • BillC

      Yeah, those 1911’s are going to be beat to Hell.

      • M40

        Maybe… maybe not. I would assume many of these spent years sitting in a holster, and were only brought out for range quals every year or two. In reality, there are plenty of 1911’s in civilian hands that put a LOT more rounds downrange than those in the military inventory.

        I’m guessing there will be a grading system that these will be sorted into, from near pristine down to heavily worn examples that are maybe good for parts.

        • BillC

          I’m going purely off of 1) age, they are old, no matter the condition 2) the number of conflicts the US has been in while the M1911 has seen action (it’s a lot) 3) the condition I’ve seen M9’s in and out of theater (which are younger, newer production, and already beat to Hell).
          Considering production of M1911s stopped after WWII and were finally replaced starting in the mid 80’s to early 90’s, yeah, they are going to be beat a bit. Sure, some may in great condition, but not many.

          • TankGuy

            I was thinking the same thing. Hell, I joined in ’94 and my first M-9 was already a good example of a great rattle! That’s only nine years after introduction/formal adoption. The last 9 I was issued was from the upgrade program in ’05-06, and looked brand new. Damn thing was a tack driver, and with my civilian supplied premium hollow points would routinely pop ravens at 100 meters plus.

  • Sunshine_Shooter

    I’d love to buy a well used & worn 1911A1 for ~$300. Buy one to screw around with and one to keep.

  • BillC

    Pretty much the only reason to get a 1911.

  • Christopher Wallace

    I read that these will go for $1,000 plus each. no thanks

    • robocop33

      Yes, way too much. I was in the Military during Vietnam and the 1911 I carried sounded like the slide would fall off at any minute. I did fire and somehow I managed to qualify as Expert. Still, these pistols are not worth more than a few hundred dollars basically as a collectable wall hanger.

  • IMPRIMATUR

    Now you too can own an old, beat up, worn out 1911! Yahoo.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    Aren’t there supposed to be 100k in total? Let push to get them all distributed out through CMP. That would keep prices reasonable and give the CMP years worth of inventory.

    • M40

      A hundred thousand 1911’s made available to a hundred MILLION gun owners? Somehow I doubt they would stay in the CMP inventory for years!

      • Harry’s Holsters

        How many of the 100 million gun owners buy just 1 gun a year? How many care about buying an antique handgun that they can’t checkout at their local store before buying? They’ll go quick but CMP also has to process them which takes time.

        • M40

          A hundred thousand guns released to a hundred MILLION gun owners means that only one in every thousand shooters will get a chance to buy one.
          If they are priced anywhere under $400, I predict they will be gone VERY fast. I know a LOT of guys that would buy one just for the historical significance.

  • John Ruhl

    And the #1 answer is YOURS!!!

    promote shooting not hoarding

  • Matt Myers

    Where the beck do I sign up? I have a cpl and own a couple handguns. Would love me a piece like one of these.

  • A.D. Hopkins

    My experience with CMP in last few decades indicates they won’t be “inexpensive shooting irons.” They’ll try to get a collector price for them, and I guess they will get it, at least from me. Selling to collectors is good enough; the main reason I want to see these guns sold to public is because they’re pieces of history that would otherwise be destroyed.

    • mazkact

      Amen. It is about time this comes to fruition.

  • A.D. Hopkins

    One to a buyer sounds good, at least for starters. Maybe more if the market for them goes soft.

  • Tom Currie

    While this is good news – if it actually passes, and if DoD doesn’t simply ignore it (yes, they have been known to ignore requirements they don’t like) — it is not about to flood the market with inexpensive 1911 pistols for two reasons: 1) CMP will be quite slow in processing them, and 2) CMP will price even the worst maracas as if they were collector pieces.

  • RazorHawk

    Thank God for a Republican congress. Thank God for Donald Trump.
    And Thank God for Russia for leaking Hitlery’s emails.

  • Finally

  • Dan

    Or a no resale clause.

    • A.D. Hopkins

      How you going to enforce “no resale” without universal registration?

      • BaconLovingInfidel

        Easy.

        CMP simply posts a monitor right outside your front door who shadows you for the life of the 1911 or until you die.

        • Frankie D

          we already have that here in Calif.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    We all know how this will go.
    Some skeezebag company on gunbroker will buy a whole bunch of them at garabage bin prices. They’ll throw them up for an absurdly high markup and the same dudes who grossly overpaid for their milsurps will overpay for these.

    • mazkact

      I am fairly sure that recently the CMP has placed a cap on how many Garands an individual can purchase in a given year. Likely the same will apply to the 1911’s. It will take quite a while for them to go through and grade them. Rare ones will be auctioned and the proceeds will go to funding Marksmanship programs. The CMP is not the old DCM but it really is a great organization

  • D Keith Straub

    The CMP will price these well out of the range for average gun owners anyway. I have watched M1 Carbines and M1 Garand rifles creep up and be reclassified many times over the years. A one gun per member program would be good for the first two years before the market prevails. I love the CMP and what they do but I am disappointed in some of their sales tactics.

  • dmacleo

    served as MP in germany in mid to late 80’s and springfield 1911 was my sidearm, loved it. would love to grab one of these.
    oh well can’t get blood ($$) from a turnip (me) so its a pipe dream.

  • georgesteele

    Absolutely limit the number; Ex: Soros and Bloomberg join up and buy the lot and keep them in a warehouse (or use them to arm their minions – take your pick). Result: purpose for which they were surplused to CMP thwarted. The program is there for a reason. Bulk sales would be a violation of the CMP purpose.

  • John Burch

    All the whiners who never buy from CMP will oppose this.

  • Rogertc1

    I know when at Ft. Riley in 1972 the 45s I used were well worn. In Reserves in the 80s the 45s they rattled and had little finish. They still worked however.
    Hate to see the prices they put on them. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aebecbe8c6fe37b90c0dd679010b748d9b113bed6fc6a758df2644a1de587b48.jpg
    Be great for young gun owners to have the opportunity to buy history. I still have one my dad got in 60s NRA program for $16. from the Rock island Arsenal, IL. Picture attached.

  • fnu lnu

    Limiting quantity is a fine idea. Your first paragraph is pure socialist crap.

  • Don

    Yes Vets go to head of line! Maybe if nothing else for payback of 12+ mo of combat, not even making min wage incl combat pay. Or payback for the blood sweat and tears. Oh and I will gladly trade any or all of my combat disabilities for your good health… My 1911, made in 1919, issued to my dad in 1934, went to WWII, Pacific Island tour, Korea Vietnam, given to in 67 till retired in 94…

    • B Hawk

      We don’t serve for the pay. Most enlistees know military pay sucks before raising their right hand, but I agree, Vets and those currently serving go to the head of the line.

  • i1776

    They can do this but not one useful thing such as the Hearing Protection Act?! WTF OVER…

  • GR Arnold

    It’s about damn time. This should apply to ALL USA-made military-grade weapons that are currently overseas yearning for new owners. AND YES … THIS INCLUDE ALL FULL-AUTOS TOO !!!

  • William Taylor

    ” inexpensive shooting irons”? Not likely………… every other article I’ve seen has the minimum – MINIMUM – price for these as $1,000 each. That is obscene.

  • Eric B.

    This is good news.
    BUT… most of us are waiting tor a passage of a bill combining the best parts of the Safe hearing Act and newer, better act.

  • RPK

    WHY can’t some of you people on this blog simply be GRATEFUL these 1911’s will be made available at all? America is a capitalistic society. If some rich person has the means to purchase them all and re-sell the entire lot at a profit…THAT IS AMERICA! We are Americans!!! Veterans, non-Veterans, war time, peace time, liberals, socialists, Christian, Muslim… it does NOT matter! We are ALL Americans. I just happen to be a Veteran military retiree of over 20 years service…I work for a living after military “retirement”…I do not use the V.A., look to go to the head of the line or seek Glory from my past career. YES, admittedly, I am proud of my modest service. I also RESPECT my brothers and sisters who use the V.A. to enrich their lives, if need be. And, I support Veterans organizations who provide a hand-up, rather than a hand-out. The majority of Veterans do not want a hand-out or desire sympathy. It was our (my) PRIVILEGE to serve the American people. We were volunteers and not drafted, as in past conflicts/wars. So please, QUIT bickering. Be GRATEFUL you live in the greatest Country on this planet. With unmatched opportunities. Unequalled education. Plentiful food. Clean water. And now 1911’s pistols that served our Country faithfully, much like many Veterans have and will continue to do. God Bless America and God Blass Texas!

  • bthomas

    Heard about it. Will believe it when and if it actually gets done.

  • jcitizen

    I’d rather have an M1 Carbine – probably too late for that! I was just too lazy to sign up for CMP at the local range. Too much paper work.

  • jcitizen

    As for all the comments about them being worn out. That may be, but the ones at my old unit looked like they’d never been fired. I was glad we didn’t have to turn them in to get the M9s when they were 1st issued.

  • ciscokid3750

    The NRA reported 40 some years ago that an inspection of the 1911 pistols showed 50 per cent had serious mechanical problems including cracked frames. In other words if you buy one you have a got a wall hanger not a shootable gun. The price to repair them will far exceed their worth and repairing them will destroy all collector value of the gun further reducing its value on resale. In other words you lose 3 times, once on purchase price, then on the rebuild and then on the total devaluing of the gun as a collectors item. In other words if you do buy one its best left as a wall hanger for future re-sale.

    The legal delays will last until the 2018 elections. At that point Congress will have an overwhelming majority of Democrats in power who will scuttle the bill forever. The pistols then will be melted down just as Clinton did to thousands of BAR guns and other U.S. military surplus weapons.

  • diesel1959

    I’m fine with anyone–individuals NOT corporations–having access to buy firearms from the CMP. What I am less fine about is when they run auctions–THAT’S where the big bucks wind up getting shelled out by the mukkity-mucks and I think that should be done away with. The CMP should review, repair, classify, then sell these to all and any who qualify according to the statute. Go through the hoops and make a part of the Arsenal of Democracy yours for good. I’d be fine with a limitation on transfer (except within immediate family) for a certain period, say ten years or whatever, but I don’t think there should be a “one gun” limit. Just eliminate the damn auctions.

    • diesel1959

      . . . and before you jump to conclusions, I’m an eight-year vet, and a twenty-year cop, but see no reason for there to be a CMP priority for either (beyond the somewhat less paperwork for these).

  • Dan you just signed on so let me explain we don’t appreciate anything less than civil behavior whether you agree with someone or not. There are also younger folks who read TFB because the parents expect us to keep it clean. You might keep that in mind.

  • Buzz Buzzard

    It should be limited to one, per person, per year. I know of a gun dealer that grabbed as many as he could get his hands on and turned them for a big profit.

  • George Peter Anaipakos

    This is just a response to all those naysayers that are calling all these 1911s “…worn out pieces of hudda, selling for $1,000…”. I bought an M-1 Garand rifle from the DCM (the Director of Civilian Marksmanship – the predecessor of the CMP) back in 1976 for the unheard of sum of $96 delivered. It was in immaculate condition, completely restored by the Red River Army Depot, with the sling, cleaning gear, etc. I am not a big time rifle shooter, and frankly prefer shooting handguns, but I threw my hat in the ring and was lucky enough to score one of these fine old rifles. My point is that even though they are old surplus 1911s (just as my M-1 is an old surplus rifle) doesn’t mean that these handguns will be worthless pieces of junk. Just my two cents as the proud owner of a small piece of Americana.

  • TJJ300

    Now let’s get back the millions of Garands and Carbines countries like South Korea have but the Obama Administration was blocking and offer them through the CMP.

  • Fail Bot

    I hope they can get to the individual’s still cheap. When a flood of surplus Mausers and Mosin Nagants came out I remember they were $50 at Big 5. I bought a Mauser. I didn’t think much of it at the time but I really should have got one of the Mosin Nagants for $50 too because you can’t get that deal anymore. I think it would be far more sentimental for many Americans for the opportunity to get a 1911, but if it’s going to be in the hundreds it’s going to be a collector’s only thing.

  • FriendOfJohnnyM

    Well, HECK YEAH!
    Just imagine all the teary-eyed, whining, butthurt Liberals reading this news, and throwing anti-gun tantrums in their “safe spaces”!

    SUCK IT, Liberals!

  • Everett Walker

    100,000 of them – they may last a while. When these were available decades ago, like the springfields and m1 carbines, they were termed “Unclassified, Unserviceable.” They were all funcitonal but ranged from well-used on downward. A lot were so loose they would group about 12 inches at 125yards. One I had did that until I dropped in a Wilson-Dwyer Group gripper and got circa 3″ groups.
    Still has to get past the senate and a number of turncoats who may decided to humor Chuck-The-Snake

  • 3am

    There’s no CMP in WA so makes no dif around here.