Breaking News: New .308 Tavor By IWI

IWI US just posted this on their Facebook page.

I called them to confirm, it is a .308 Tavor.

The rifle looks interesting. It is like a hybrid between the SAR and X95. The handguard and mag well are reminiscent of an SAR. Even the bolt release is SAR styled. Yet the handguard appears to have MLOK slots. In front of the handguard is what looks like an adjustable gas block. The magazine release is similar to the X95. The rear of this new .308 Tavor looks odd with such a flat stock. As if it was chopped in photoshop. I suspect the barrel will be 18″ giving the rifle a greater OAL and so it does not need the thicker buttpad that the SAR and X95 do to keep the OAL greater than 26″.

No word yet on price or when it will be available. Hopefully we will get to see one and shoot it at the upcoming Big 3 East event in October.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • Drew Coleman

    Wew lad I need one of these. As long as it suppresses well.

    • Vitor Roma

      I guess that with a gas regulator, it will supress well. The 5.56 Tavor should get this regulator, the gun is quite overgassed.

      • JSmath

        It won’t/can’t. As I just posted in a comment on an article a day ago featuring an integrated gas block, the 5.56 SAR/X95 have integrated gas blocks … And I *severely* doubt IWI is going to go out of their way to add a regulator to a system that already works and sells well enough.

        I honestly wish someone would put together aftermarket barrel kits and the relevant doodads we’re talking about, in different calibers… That would be something.

  • Vhyrus

    That sound you hear is Desert Tech’s bank account being drained.

    • AC97

      That is, if they actually get around to releasing the damn things, lol.

      • Drew Coleman

        They STILL haven’t? Good lord.

      • Nicholas C

        I would be happy if it just worked. The one I shot kept having FTF and FTE.

        • iksnilol

          You actually fired a MDR?

          • Nicholas C

            Yeah at Shot Show. Burgers and Bullets range day. Hosted by Faxon.

          • iksnilol

            Like, was it real ?

          • Nicholas C

            Yes. It shot. Single fire. The semi auto part didn’t work.

          • iksnilol

            That was probably the secret Ultra Precision mode.

        • QuadGMoto

          Was that at Shot Show where they had 6.5 Creedmoor rounds mixed in with their .308 ammo?

          • Nicholas C

            Didn’t see that happen.

          • QuadGMoto

            They later determined that’s what was going wrong. Initially they thought they just had bad ammo and quickly went out and bought some. That ammo had no failures.

            They make their own ammo and were using seconds which had just been tossed into a box. Somehow they wound up with both .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor in the same box(es).

        • Yep, I had a FTE issue at Burgers and Bullets too. They did call in their specialist and he worked on it for a bit. I was then able to get through a magazine without any failures, but …

      • Saint Stephen the Obvious

        So Desert Tech is the new Kel Tec eh? Only on the high end side.

        πŸ˜‰

        • kel tec actually sells their guns to plebs like us

          • Major Tom

            And Kel-Tec guns are increasingly proving to be good ones. I’m waiting on the KSG-25 myself.

          • Tyler Giese

            I sent my RFB rifle in to have work done. I was lied to about what was going to be done an lied to on official paperwork about what was actually done. The gun is flat out DANGEROUS.

    • Wrex

      I gave up on waiting on them while they were too busy making promotional videos and teaser posts on Facebook and got myself a K&M .308 BP.

      Haven’t regretted it for a single minute.

      • PK

        Ditto. K&M makes a fine gun!

  • mechamaster

    It would be interesting if the X-95 version is available in .308 too…

    • LCON

      This thing looks so Hybrid They might not need to build an X95 version.

      • JSmath

        They should not build an X95 version.*
        FTFY

  • BattleshipGrey

    I know the Tavors get some bad reviews, but this intregues me. I’ve always wanted a Keltek RDB, but I’ve only ever seen one.

    • andrey kireev

      What’s wrong with Tavors ? I’ve never had any issues with mine…

      • Get over it fanbois

        It’s just nubs complaining that Tavors don’t work with the crappy overpriced specialized ammo they bought for their ARs.

        • andrey kireev

          My tavor eats up just about everything you can find on the shelf (Mainly Tula and wolf, but also more common US brands as well)

      • BattleshipGrey

        I’ve read of accuracy issues and I recall former TFB writer Alex C regretting his purchase. I don’t personally own one so I’m just saying about what I’ve read.

        • JSmath

          I don’t remember Alex saying he regretted his Tavor – he definitely did say he regretted his Scorpion, but I think he called both overhyped and underdelivering.

          • No one

            Yes he did, he posted it in his one of his videos. (It was either “top 5 most overrated guns” or “5 guns I regret buying”, and either way he brutalized it when he said why better then anyone here could do.)

          • Ebby123

            It was posted on the internet therefore we know three things:
            1- It must be true.
            2- It must accurately represents all weapons of that manufacturer.
            3- There are no other factors to take into consideration.

            I commend you for not letting facts get in the way of your conclusion based on an opinion of one writer on a sample of 1 gun.

        • Porty1119

          The accuracy issues are real, mostly due to that godawful trigger. I probably shot about 9MOA with Tavor irons off a bench. It was bad. My C7 did a lot better with the same ammo, same shooter, same day.

    • Jim Slade
    • mike

      Tavors get bad reviews? Almost all Tavor reviews are positive, it’s the best bullpup on the market.

      • iksnilol

        Unless you appreciate having your rounds land near eachothers.

        • ostiariusalpha

          My FS2000 is a better bullpup, and it’s not even a good bullpup.

          • iksnilol

            Worked for Sam Fisher, works for me.

        • roguetechie

          Or a decent trigger, or …. List is too long I’ll just sum it up with a single sentence.

          Tavor is the best rifle on the market right now, as long as you consider literally NONE of the other currently manufactured bullpups!

      • Sermon 7.62

        It’s called Social Media Marketing. Israelis are good at it.

      • Bill

        *cough* AUG *cough*

      • No one

        “it’s the best bullpup on the market.”

        LOLOL

  • Ebby123

    FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

  • Jim Slade
    • Ebby123

      DO IT NOW!!! *throws bags of money at IWI’s head*

    • Paul White

      that’s not near enough money

  • Ragged Hole

    4 MOA Guarantee!!!

    • Ebby123

      To get full power 308 in a 26″ OAL weapon, I’ll TAKE IT! πŸ˜€
      But my guess is it’ll be 2MOA or better. With each new generation they will learn better how to improve things like this.

      • Ragged Hole

        Hopefully. The X95 and SAR were very underwhelming in the accuracy department. I really like the compact package and bullpup in general but my groups with were piss poor from 2-4 MOA with everything from 55gr Hornady Match to 77r Gorilla OTMs and that was WITH the Geissle SuperSabra and Lightning Bow… All of my ARs shoot sub MOA with good loads and inaccurate rifles are just not my cup of tea.

      • iksnilol

        Well, full power 308 ain’t much better than intermediate cartridges if you can’t hit past 300-400 meters.

        • Ebby123

          Except for the 180% muzzle energy, and better flight trajectory. πŸ˜‰
          There are many graveyards full of people killed very dead by a 4MOA Kalashnikov using open pistol sights.

          • No one

            There’s probably alot more filled wish imperialists and fascists killed by old Mosin Nagant rifles, along with many that were never found but buried somewhere lost forever, and?

            Raw muzzle energy doesn’t flat out = better.

          • Ebby123

            The mosin is a 3-5MOA gun. πŸ˜› πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

          • iksnilol

            In hands of fat capitalist who shoots of bench, sure.

          • iksnilol

            Nah, 308 ain’t really better than 5.56 in regards to range. That extra muzzle energy helps none if it isn’t used somehow (ie to fragment or expand the bullet).

            And those graveyards of people weren’t hit at 800 meters. Which is the whole point of bothering to carry a 308.

          • roguetechie

            Better flight trajectory….

            Bwahaha!!!

    • Get over it fanbois

      DMRs don’t need to be sub MOA. Between 1.5 to 2.5 is good enough.

      • Ragged Hole

        Yeah, accuracy is overrated…

        • Get over it fanbois

          DMRs are not supposed to be like sniper rifles. Expensive 7.62×51 ammo is only good for shooting unmoving targets. Not for getting one shot kills like console games.

          • Ragged Hole

            Well, these are commercial rifles for civilians so as much as anybody wants to pretend this is their go-to SHTF ultimate DMR setup, it is just a rifle. As such, I sure as hell expect good accuracy out of it. 1.5-2.5MOA off the bench or rest under perfect conditions multiplies EXPONENTIALLY in the field. Whether you are shooting hogs, bucks, or something bigger you want to minimize as many variables as possibly and 1.5-2.5 MOA leave a lot to be desired…

          • FarmerB

            2MOA makes an adequate 400m rifle. For a DMR I want about 1MOA.

          • Sermon 7.62

            For the DMR version of SVD the requirement is 1.5 moa. DMR is not for just shooting people, but also for defeating tank optics, etc.

          • iksnilol

            Also, whole point of DMR is shooting at things farther than standard infantry rifle.

            So is crappy DMR if it is 4 MOA or so. I mean, at 400 meters your spread is 60 cm. Imagine then shooting at 800 meters.

          • Sermon 7.62

            You are right. Albeit 4 moa at 400 m is 48 cm. So it has to be at least 2 moa to be able to hit a man from 800 m.

          • Ryfyle

            PC games desire more precision.

          • Ebby123

            Yup. The number of people who actually shoot past 200 yards in a non-combat role with this rifle can be counted on one hand.

            Mall ninjary… mall ninjary everywhere.

          • Ryfyle

            I really don’t understand why anyone would go for Bull-pup on a Full sized cartridge. Secondly, there are far better Bull-pups out there.

          • iksnilol

            It makes hella sense.

            A bolt action with a 22 inch barrel versus a bullpup with an 18 inch barrel, both in 308. Which one handles hella better?

          • Ryfyle

            Probably the Bolt action with it’s overall lack of mass. Secondly I find that IWI produces hype and not much else.

          • iksnilol

            Doesn’t have to be the IWI.

            The K&M M17S308 weighs just as much as the bolt action (about 3.8 kg). I compared it with a run of the mill Savage . The savage is 11 inches longer with a 2 inch longer barrel (22″ vs 20″) and weighs the same. And the RFB is even lighter.

            So there’s no weight saving by going with the bolt action.

          • Ryfyle

            Well if it doesn’t have to be a IWI, I’ll take an K&M or a decent Keltec.

          • Ryfyle

            Also what Am I doing in the first place with said rifle?

          • iksnilol

            Well, if shooting past 200 meters is mall ninjary, then we all should just get 5.7×28 rifles.

        • Ebby123

          It is, actually. This is a 0-800m infantry rifle. There are graveyards full of people killed very dead with a 4MOA kalashnikov shot with pistol-style iron sights.

          • Ragged Hole

            I guess it depends on your intended use. 4 MOA is acceptable for $500 Milspec rifle but for almost $2000 I expect a bit more.

          • jeff k

            you can bet it will be more than 2k .. probably more like 3k

          • William Elliott

            well, with the amount of $ they have printed, $2000 today might just about be $500 back when an M1 garand was worth that…

    • GhostTrain81

      It was actually more like… 2 MOA, then 4 MOA the next day, then 1 MOA, then 5MOA, then you patted your good luck rock, then back to 2 MOA a week later.

    • Dmitry Veselovsky

      I get 1.5-2 MOA on my Tavor.

      • Ebby123

        HEY NOW!! THIS IS THE INTERNET!! YOUR FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE HAS NO POWER HERE!!

        Once the internet has spoken something, from that moment on it must be true.

  • Juggernaut

    Tavor fanbois are even worse than SCAR fanbois- drooling over average weapons that are not exponentially better than other guns enough to justify the higher price tag.

    • Ebby123

      Full power 308 in a 26″ OAL platform that you
      1- Can actually find on the market, and
      2- Can actually afford to buy, and
      3- Was designed by for a military actively fighting enemies on its doorstep (IWI is tied to IDF) with a history of reliability.

      There’s a good reason I’m a fanboy. Its certainly not perfect, but for a do-everything from 0-800 meters gun its the closest I’ve seen so far.

      The only thing (in my fantasy island world where everything costs nothing) I would add would be match grade accuracy, and quick change caliber conversions to 7.62×39 and 9mm for training.

      • Sermon 7.62

        IDF is fighting enemies with Tavors?

        • Ebby123

          And X95s.. yes. That’s their primary infantry rifle.

          • Sermon 7.62

            That’s their primary rifle. But it has not been used to fight enemies. Last time IDF used small arms in a conflict was in 2006 and it was M4.

          • Renato H M de Oliveira

            Re-check your data.
            There were ground troops in Gaza in 2008-9, 2012 and 2014, and they did see battles, firefights included.
            But the 3 together were less than Lebanon 2006, that I give to you.

      • iksnilol

        See, the whole issue is that to hit reliably at 800 meters you’d need better than 4 moa accuracy.

        And there’s other 308 bullpups that are minimal length. Like the K&M or Kel-tec one. those are more affordable than IWI anything and have better precision as well.

        • roguetechie

          The K&M guns are flat out better than Tavor in every possible way!

          Especially since they are actually mechanically accurate enough to even consider using in combat, with a trigger that’s flat out superior to ANY FCG you can hope to drop into a Tavor!

          The fact that K&M manages that while having a very comparable MSRP to 5.66 Tavor while being a much smaller company etc pretty much says it all!

          Well that and the fact that Tavor can be found for MUCH below it’s MSRP pretty much everywhere while the K&M guns basically sell at MSRP even used with a couple thousand rounds through them!

      • No one

        >Tavor
        >History of reliability

        Hahaha.

        • Ebby123

          Uzi. Used widely by IDF and U.S. secret service, and numerous special forces groups worldwide for over 20 years.
          Tavor. Primary infantry rifle of the IDF.
          Jericho. CZ Knock-off (not rocket science). Primary side arm of the IDF/mossad.
          Galil.
          Negev.

          You were saying?

    • USMC03Vet

      I’ll never understand the hype for overpriced IWI either. If this is priced below $1800 I’d be shocked.

      • iksnilol

        *2800

        Fixed for ya.

      • No one

        Next to German weapons, Israeli weapons are next on the list of “let’s overrate the —- out of them because clearly they can do no wrong in weapons design ever!”

        ….Aside from the fact they do, the fact people actually think the Tavor is even decent, let alone above average shows this pretty perfectly.

        • Ebby123

          *waits patiently to hear about all your first-hand experience that supports this claim*

    • Dmitry Veselovsky

      Given how reliable and functional the Tavor is, it’s definitely worth drooling over.

      • No one

        Putting Tavor and “reliable and functional” in the same sentence is an insult to firearms everywhere.

        And you accuse ME of being biased?

        • Porty1119

          Please elaborate.

          • Sermon 7.62
          • No one

            I could write for hours about why It’s not a well functioning or ergonomic design and why it’s sure as —- not reliable, or how IWI fanboys will literally write off it’s faults as selling points/feautures (Like someone who wrote how the fact it can’t use damn ear any ammunition like an AR can is clearly a feature and not bad design.)

            ….But honestly, Alex C. summarized everything I actually think about the Tavor in a single video so it would be faster for you to simply watch that. (It’s number 4 on his “Top 5 overrated guns” video.)

        • Ebby123

          Lol. Citation badly needed.
          The entire army and SF of Israel disagrees with you, but hey, this is the internet. Clearly you must know better. πŸ˜› πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

          • iksnilol

            Why does israeli SF then stick to the M4s?

  • Get over it fanbois

    That’s looks just ordinary. Which is probably a good thing as the old saying goes. “If isn’t broke don’t fix it.”
    Best to wait until there are comparisons 5.56 and 7.62 versions, which will IWI will upload themselves. To get more social media buzz.

  • RogUinta

    I’ve been waiting for someone to spare me the shame of considering a Kel-tec RFB purchase. Finally, IWI delivers…

    • Rob

      Check out K&M. They have had a 308 available for some time and I have never heard someone speak ill of their products.

      • RogUinta

        I’d love to, but I’m left-handed AND left-eye dominant. So far only Kel-tec offers a truly ambi .308 bullpup…and I’m hoping that IWI offers a left-handed bolt for their .308 like they do with their regular Tavor.

        • roguetechie

          You can get left handed k&m guns AFAIK still.

    • MrPotatoHead

      There is no shame in wanting or owning an RFB. I’ve had mine for almost seven years. Still has the 1st gen gas system. I’ve put a few thousand rounds through it. The only issues I ever had with it were mag related. Repainted Israeli FAL mags bought in bulk that needed to be stripped and redone.

      It’s not my go to gun for SHTF – that’s my AK. But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t use it in a life or death situation if necessary.

    • No one

      Instead you can live with the shame of buying a Tavor.

      ….That’s only about a shade better really.

      • Ebby123

        Keep talking unsupported crap. Its working, I swear.

  • GearHead

    But will it do better than 4 moa?

    • Ebby123

      I also wonder this… though for a gun this unique I would be willing to buy a match-grade rifled blank from Bartlein and reverse engineer it to work on my Tavor.

      But that’s just me… I recognize my tastes are not mainstream.

      • Sermon 7.62
        • iksnilol

          I assume it’s the appeal of a minimal legal length rifle that can reach 800 meters.

          >though I’d go for 6.5 something over 308. Especially if I am bothering with installing a match barrel into the damn thing.

          Besides, Vychlop is cool, but a bother to get ammo for.

          • Sermon 7.62

            HK can reach 800 meters.

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, but is the HK minimum legal length.

          • Sermon 7.62

            In the US? The barrel is.

          • Ebby123

            Excellent idea. I’m still trying to have a 6.5CM barrel made for my R25… damn proprietary barrel extensions..

    • Dmitry Veselovsky

      My Tavor is 1.5-2 MOA.

  • iksnilol

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1640ea596a0af1c60a99436288bdef7a1f001f583460b5ccb569a23c5fd6961e.png

    I rate it a seven on my Blyin or Blyatβ„’ scale. You can Cheeki the Breeki solidly with that rifle but the accuracy we ain’t too hopeful about, so I’ll deduct points there.

    • Noishkel

      … what?

      • ProLiberty82

        Internet, do you speak it?

        • Noishkel

          Apparently not well enough. :p

    • USMC03Vet

      cyka blyat!

    • Major Tom

      What kind of gun rates as Pancake? (Or is it Blyin?) Taurus?

      • iksnilol

        I’ve no idea yet. It has to be something truly horrible.

        But you are correct, “blyin” is “pancake” in Russian.

        • ostiariusalpha

          But… I like pancakes. 😟

          • iksnilol

            Comrade, you are in combat, what has better combat efficency; OTs-14 “Groza” with 40mm grenade launcher, or … tactical, weapons grade pancake?

          • JSmath

            Depends on if fascist is within melee range, comrade.

          • iksnilol

            Well breekied, you cheeki comrade.

          • BillyOblivion

            Depends on how hungry the op4 is.

            I bet that a couple cases of Bisquick, some maple syrup and a hot griddle could get about 1/4 of the Nork army to surrender…

          • Major Tom

            Only 1/4?

        • Sermon 7.62
          • iksnilol

            Yeah, Blyin, and you posted a pic of a pancake.

          • Sermon 7.62

            Pancakes are smaller and thicker.

          • iksnilol

            I see no difference. Is in pan, is sweet, is pancake.

          • Sermon 7.62

            It can be filled with ground meat, too.

          • iksnilol

            And that is why I love our part of the world.

            “So we made this cool thing”
            -But can we put meat in it?
            “OF COURSE WE CAN. Aj, pizdec, how’d I not think of that before?”

          • JoelC

            Genius!

          • supergun

            How bout whip cream?

          • Sermon 7.62

            No, but we eat it with sour cream.

          • supergun

            Oh,,,,,,I thought liberals did that. What do I know?

          • supergun

            My wife cooks the best pancakes in the world.

          • Sermon 7.62

            You should then open a restaurant.

          • supergun

            With a gun shop,,,,hey?

          • Sermon 7.62

            A range and a cafΓ©. “Pancakes & Targets”.

          • supergun

            Well………After they eat my Wife’s pancakes, they will want to buy a gun and shoot it at the range.

          • supergun

            I will trade 5 308 bullets for one of those.

    • Rob

      Its “Blini” not blyin. (since you showed a stack of pancakes, think crepes) The word “Bleen” is a toned down version of “Blyat” and doesn’t have anything to do with pancakes but is miss translated often (to my understanding). (With the image of pancakes I assume your scale is based on Blini tasting good, equals good…)

      Also for those wondering, there are also Russian pancakes that are more like American pancakes, and as someone said about with meat, well thats a whole other thing…its like calling all handguns glocks.

      The Russians have a whole bunch of “pancake like things”.
      My source is many trips over there, and married to one.

      Now, one more Tavor I’ll have to consider…but the price of 308 probably makes it a no go…hopefully they worked out whatever accuracy issues some had, and will have more calibers coming out as well.

      • Rob

        Alright, I checked with the Bear…I got it half right.
        “russian pancakes” closer to what we call crepes is as I said “blini”
        Blyin or Bleen, is both a singular “pancake” and a toned down word like “darn it” vs Damn it.

        • iksnilol

          yup, thus the whole point of my joke.

          but again, WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PANCAKES AND “CREPES”!? It’s just a french word for pancake.

          • noob

            texture. it’s all about the texture.

      • iksnilol

        I know I know, stop trying to kill my joke.

    • Pauly_Pants

      Don’t ever stop doing this please.

      • iksnilol

        I thought to make it some form of staple. It saves me the bother of actually contributing to the discussion with thoughts or ideas.

    • Vhyrus

      I would give it at least an 8 since right now it’s only direct competition is the Kel Tec RFB.

      • iksnilol

        Uhm, the K&M 308 ?

        Or the, *snicker*, MDR?

    • noob

      This should be on the official TFB Review ratings scale spreadsheet

      • iksnilol

        Working on it. πŸ˜›

  • rip desert tech mdr

    • KidCorporate

      Can it rest in peace if it never lived in the first place?

    • No one

      As much as I get annoyed by Desrt Tech fanboys overhyping a vaporware gun, something tells me that it won’t be killed if it every does come out by a garbage bin rifle platform like the Tavor.

      • Dmitry Veselovsky

        The Tavor is awesome. From your comments, it’s clear you’ve never had one.

        • No one

          The Tavor is straight garbage and I regret ever firing one. People just attach their identity to inanimate objects and brands and go into denial when told something that goes against their pre set beliefs. (what? he called myt favorite gun bad? how dare he, hes’s never owned one!)

          You’re right, I haven’t, because after firing so many, I wouldn’t be caught dead wasting my money on that dumpster fire. And I would bet pretty much anything my gun buying budget is larger than yours.

          Then again, the clueless also think the M1A is a good gun so…..

        • Porty1119

          The Tavor is a great CQB weapon, no doubt about that. I would not, however, consider it a great rifle. The trigger and accuracy leave a lot to be desired beyond about 100-200yds.

          • iksnilol

            Why bother chambering it in 5.56 if it is not gonna get use past 200 yards?

  • PeterK

    Oh man. So much want.

  • Raptor Fred
  • Anonymoose
    • Ebby123

      My sentiments exactly.

  • ProLiberty82

    My first impressions just looking at the picture:

    1: That looks like one heck of a long length of pull on that thing, probably OK for people with a static sideways/biathlon stance, but what if you IPSC or oper8 m8?

    2: A lot of people seem to have a hard time with the SCAR .308 and it’s muzzle compensator blast, this rifle has one to and it looks to be even closer to your face.

    3: Putting a sling attachment on the hand-guard looks like it will interfere whit the charging handle if you put it on the side facing your body, if they had put a QD slot just behind the charging handle port it would make more sense, it would also keep the charging handle away from your body and less likely to snag on your gear when slung.

    And then there is the question, will it be more accurate then my Mini-14 this time?

    • JSmath

      1. Not even exaggerating, but visually that looks like the same LOP as the commercial X95 (due to it’s long buttpad).

      2. People complain about the SOCOM 16 and every 16″ 308 rifle. At the least, this is an 18″ barrel which will tame some of that. Plus, what looks like a regulator would make this ideal for suppressing.

      3. The dot right above the charging handle is an assembly pin. There don’t appear to be an QD sockets besides the one in the rear. This makes sense though, considering the rail and [probably] MLOK options.

    • John Yossarian

      Kel-Tec RFB with 18″ barrel and A-2 style flash hider was putting too much muzzle blast near my face – Solution was switching to a $60 linear compensator.

      • iksnilol

        Or slap on a small suppressor.

        • John Yossarian

          Yep – That’d work too!

        • Ebby123

          Small (<5") suppressors are wildly underrated – especially on super-sonic rifle cartridges.

          Not every use of your gun needs to be secret squirrel quiet – but for a much smaller weight/length penalty you can also avoid “I can’t hear anything for two days after I shoot my rifle”.

          • iksnilol

            I see no point in the larger suppressors.

            American suppressors never appealed to me simply because they’re so monstrously large (20 cm muzzle extension, like, for real?)

  • Hardwood83

    I have no use for this rifle….so I’ll probably end up with 2.

  • Arandor Thinnorion

    The more bull-pups on the market, the better. I’d like to see one in 6.5 Grendel. But I’d be happy to see one 5.56x45mm in the $600 range.

    • MrPotatoHead

      Keltec has been saying that the RDB was going to be offered in 6.5 Grendel for a couple of years now. It’s the only reason I haven’t bought one yet.

  • Josh

    Think they are releasing this now so they can get in in the Army’s RFI for 308 rifles? I do remember reading that rifles have to be ready off the shelf and not in development.

  • HSR47

    I’ll have to reserve judgement until I actually shoot one; If it’s anywhere near as gassy as my SAR is, then there’s no way I’ll buy one. If it’s actually comfortable to put more than a mag through at a time, both with and without a muffler, then I might consider on if the price is right.

  • Raptor Fred

    LOL so people were shooting 6.5cm through the .308 gun . That’s funny.

  • I read that it’s a 300 BO, not a .308

    • Kent San

      They have both. It’s obvious from the magazine that isn’t 300 BO

      • Not from that picture – looks photo-shopped, but that’s cool and I hope the .308 is affordable.

  • LazyReader

    If you thought the Tavor was unwieldy crap before, wait til we give it a bigger caliber

  • camosoul

    Oooooohhh, I don’t want, anybody else, when I think aboOOout you I touch myself…

  • supergun

    All these fancy guns are pretty. Would not mind owning one. But I still love the tried and true Smith and Wesson AR 10. What a beautiful assault weapon.

  • Tom Currie

    The rounds are similar enough in appearance that I can understand making the mistake in a bunch of loose rounds without looking closely. The only part of that mistake that would bother me at all is the loose rounds having been mixed in the first place. Apparently when they were sorting out ‘blems’ they were just all tossed loose in a box which is a careless way to handle ammo.

    The interesting thing is that they chose to just grab their own blems as the ammo to take for the event – looks like they found that trying to save a few pennies was a bad decision. Bulk .308 isn’t as cheap as 5.56 or 7.62×39, but when you’re planning to show off your Great New Gun to the world, I’d think you could budget for buying some ammo.

    Nick’s comment that would concern me a little more was the bit about the guns getting too hot to hold and needing to stop to let the guns cool down frequently. They were apparently using magazines loaded with 5 rounds per person for (most of) the shooters. Even with a steady line of shooters and just blazing away, I wouldn’t expect a rifle with pretensions of being a battle rifle to overheat that badly with the rate of fire from five rounds, stop to change magazines and shooters, and repeat. Seems fine for a range toy, but a lot of people eyeing the Tavors have more serious uses in mind (even if only in their imagination).