Kjaskaar Tests the Ludicrously Short Barreled Shotgun from “Killing Them Softly”

Practical or not, short-barreled sawed off shotguns are nothing if not cool. Two short, big bores on a frame with nothing but a pistol grip says “bad***” like little else.

Well, they are cool, except when they’re not! So runs the gag in the 2012 crime thriller Killing Them Softly, where two lowlifes are hired to hold up an illicit poker game. In the scene, Australian drug addict Russell brings out the equipment he’s acquired for the heist: Dishwashing gloves, pantyhose, and a comically short double-barreled shotgun with barrels cut down so far the ends of the shells are exposed. Frankie, his accomplish, quips in astonishment: “If you shoot somebody with this ******* thing, it’s gonna kill everybody in the ******* room.”

YouTuber Kjaskaar decided that he wanted to Form 1 a shotgun, and, what the hey, why not clone the gun from that scene? Kjaskaar documents his first range trip with ‘the littlest shotgun” in the video below:

As he points out, building a gun like this isn’t actually “wasting” a Form 1. Since it is the receiver of the shotgun which is registered, and since no modifications have been made to it, a simple swap of the barrels and stock bring the pint-sized scattergun back up to a more traditional “sawed off” configuration.


Thanks to Tassie for the tip!

Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He is also the author of the original web serial Heartblood, which is being updated and edited regularly. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


  • Anonymoose

    The bead is a nice touch.

    • adverse4

      For those times you really need to make that precision shot.

  • Darren Hruska

    Oh look, loaded chamber indicators!

  • Sledgecrowbar

    I feel like the velocity is going to make it useless. It’s effectively impossible to do a velocity test with anything but a slug, but energy being energy, I’d like to see a slug put through a meter. I know the .223 Derringer is clown shoes, so I’m guessing this will be, but I hope it’s not because a Form 1 is just too much effort for clown shoes.

    • You saw/read the bit about how he has an alternate barrel and stock set for it, right?

    • iksnilol

      Meh, pistols work just fine with super short barrels. Shotgun powder is essentially pistol powder.

      I doubt he has lost more than 30% velocity to be honest.

    • Tassiebush

      He actually plans to do a more extensive test with ballistic gel etc. He couldn’t really determine if his chrono measurements were accurate or not but if they were it was like .45acp velocity.

    • PK

      You’re going to be floored about actual gel tests from barrels like that. Shotguns use extremely fast-burning powder, and they tend to be much higher FPS from much shorter barrels than you’d expect. 8″ keeps normal and magnum loads supersonic, in my experience, and even 6″ keeps everything but low velocity loads supersonic.

      • Giolli Joker

        Sounds painful on the wrist but cool!
        I think one way to look at it is also the very low pressure of 12GA compared to most centerfire rifle cartridges: after few inches the barrel pressure (also considering the large volume given by wide bore) drops to levels that a rifle cartridge would get in, maybe, 30+”; therefore it is intuitive that the push on the wad/slug would be relatively mild after the initial inches.

        • PK

          Correct! That’s actually the same reason things like 40x46mm can have such short barrels and remain effective.

  • Peter

    Am I seeing this right? Is he standing in front of that gun with a live shell in it which failed to fire?

    • iksnilol

      No, he fired only one.

      • Norm Glitz

        Exactly. The second shell is present with the action still closed, the hammer cocked and a piece of string around the trigger.

        • iksnilol


          It didn’t fail to fire.

    • Tassiebush

      Hehe half the Comments on the video are people talking about the fact he walks in front of a cocked shotgun.

  • Edeco

    Should put adhesive googly-eyes on the fronts of the shells.

  • iksnilol


    But seriously, surprisingly little velocity is lost by going uber short on shotguns. There’s a couple of shotgun pistols in Canada made from Rossi single shotguns that were accidentally sold with 18″ barrels (minimum in Canada is 18.5″) which were then reclassified as pistols and people just ran with it. There’s one on youtube with a 6″ barrel, looked surprisingly manageable (with normal ammo).

    • PK

      I found that the sum total of velocity loss going from 18″ to 8″ was less than 200FPS with my chosen 00 buck load and slugs.

      You know, I think we’ve even talked about this before!

      Also those videos about the Rossi 12ga pistols made me send in yet another F1. I saw one video a few months ago I think, but I decided to copy one of the “pistols” just for laughs!

  • Louis C

    Waiting for the followup with slugs and buck shot.

  • DW


  • 22winmag

    Flecktarn forever!

    • Hoplopfheil

      And he’s got a nice /k/ patch in other videos…

      • Xtorin O’hern

        the second i saw the flecktarn i knew he was a /k/ommando

        • Hoplopfheil

          Hell, I have some Flecktarn stuff, and I can’t stay on 4chan for more than 15 seconds at a time.

          • Xtorin O’hern

            i suppose it was probably the combo of flecktarn, not showing his face, blurring his license plate, and the ridiculous gun he was testing that gave me the /k/ vibe

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    The perfect weapon for a gunfight inside of a tin of Altoids.

  • Gary Kirk

    No interchangeable chokes??

  • Kivaari

    He likely measured the shock wave. Without a baffle to stop the muzzle blast you start reading the noise.

  • Mike Partain

    I just wish some company would follow mossberg and Remington’s idea and com up with a short barrel double pistol grip only!!!!!

  • Tom Currie

    PLEASE TFB, please hire a proofreader instead of letting Nathaniel rely on the spell check function in his word processor. (Hint, just because a word is spelled “correctly” does NOT mean that it is the correct word.)

    • jerry young

      Grammar Nazi!

      • Robert T Foy


  • jerry young

    If I’m not mistaken these shorty’s are against the law the barrel is far from minimum length, some years ago a friend was cleaning out the garage from a house he bought and found a single barreled shorty like this with a sawed off stock so he decided to fire it, after a trip to the emergency and an ungodly amount of stitches he said he’d never fire it again I don’t know what he ever did with it.

    • Andrew Miller

      Tax Stamp.
      If you’re in about 35 states in America you can buy, but it’s like buying a machine gun with a 9 month waiting period.
      It’s in the first few minutes of the video “is this legal yes it is”.

      • jerry young

        If you’re willing to pay almost anything can be legal so for the average person no they’re not legal

        • Laserbait

          They are legal for the average person.

          • jerry young


          • Laserbait

            Minnesota, for one.

  • jerry young

    So I checked your site and the first thing I read is, SBS = Deactivated War Trophy (made permanently non-functional) NOTE the NON FUNCTIONAL part, I thought we were talking about a fully functional shotgun at least I was and here in Ohio there is a minimum barrel length of 18 inches for working shot guns, I don’t know if you can get a permit to own one with a shorter barrel here or not I assume that being a federal thing you can, I haven’t checked for a long time and unless they changed things here that I’m unaware of the laws should still be the same.

  • supergun

    Is that illegal?

  • Robert T Foy

    This is stupid and worthless, seen it shot on YouTube, rather have a good K-bar period. At least I could still fight off an attack.

  • CavScout

    Not sure if that’s a movie, or one of the many new soap operas you all watch.

  • maodeedee

    I would like it a lot more if it had at least ten inches of barrel so that some pressure would be able to build up behind the payload.

    • Norm Glitz

      He shot it with 11 inch barrels at the end of the video.

  • jerry young

    As for 1 and 2 again not for the average person and #3 if in working condition and not disabled according to guidelines you would have to have a permit.

    • Laserbait

      Yes, of course you need a tax stamp. Any average person can get a tax stamp. Just like any average person needs a drivers license to operate a car.

      • jerry young

        As I said if you have the money you can own almost anything legally, the average man doesn’t, that’s all I’ve said from the beginning

        • Laserbait

          If the average man can afford a gun (and many do), they can afford the $200 for a tax stamp. If you can’t afford a tax stamp, how do you afford ammo? How do you afford a car, gas and insurance to get to the range and the range fees? How do you afford a an apartment or house to keep your firearm? I am a very average man, and I have several tax stamps. You have to be well below average to not be able to afford a tax stamp.

          • jerry young

            It’s not the cost of the tax stamp it’s more the cost of the weapons or things that you need the tax stamp for, I don’t buy cheap junk and cannot afford to buy the guns I would like to have that require a tax stamp, maybe I’m stating it wrong you just seem to want to argue good for you, you have tax stamps, I on the other hand have many guns and don’t have any that I have to have permits to own, that is by choice not lack of money so with this I’m ending this conversation.