Glock Summer Special | NRA 17

Glock unveiled two new Glocks here at the NRA Annual Meeting in Atlanta, Ga. Sadly it is not the 17M but the 17FS and 19FS.

The FS models have front slide serrations, steel sights, and extended slide release.

I like the front slide serrations. I just wish this was a complete package and have the MOS slide cut as well.

Along with these two new offerings, Glock have brought back a couple guns.

Our Summer Specials also include a return of the G17L and the G24, as well as the introduction of Gen4 editions of the G17C and G19C.  We are also producing the G17 Gen4, G19 Gen4, G42, and G43 with factory-installed night sights.  In addition to these pistols, we are producing a series of pistols with Olive Drab frames: the G43; G26 in Gen3 and Gen4 models; and the G17, G19, and G34 in Gen3, Gen4, and Gen4 MOS configurations.

 

The OD Green Glocks are CA compliant. According to the Glock employee I spoke with, California even has regulations on what color the gun can be. Any California firearm owners here that can shed light on this?





Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • Step up ur game glock

    Yawn

  • Rodney Jenkins

    In 10 to 15 years where will Glock be?

    • Jared Vynn

      Probably a similar spot as Colt, but Glock at least hasn’t shunned the civilian market. But they are falling behind fast on innovation.

      • No one

        Aren’t you the same person who actually thinks that Glocks are delayed blowback action?

        • Jared Vynn

          What causes the slide and barrel to move on blow back or recoil operated firearms? The case pushing against the breech face. Yes Glocks are short recoil operated, but that recoil is from blowback so they are technically delayed blowback.

          It would have been better to have used short recoil operated, but either way gets the point across.

          • The Bloody Heartland

            This is categorically incorrect. A delayed blowback action only requires case movement to unlock the breach whereas the breech on a short recoil action will only unlock once the barrel no longer engages the slide. No amount of mental gymnastics can change this fundamental difference.

          • Jared Vynn

            What causes the movement in both designs?

          • HSR47

            Basic physics.

          • Jared Vynn

            Best answer.

          • No one

            Pro tip: He’s not actually agreeing with you.

          • Jared Vynn

            He ain’t wrong though.

            Unless you somehow think physics aren’t involved.

          • No one

            Not a person here said physics wasn’t involved, just that you have no idea what you’re talking about regarding firearm actions and would rather play pigeon chess instead of just man up and admit a mistake.

          • No one

            …..Did you just upvote your own comment on the subject you’re blatantly wrong on?

            …..What?

            Blowback is opened by the movement of the case back, recoil is opened by the energy of the recoil itself and only unlocks the breech when the slide and barrel are no longer engaging.

            So no, it doesn’t “get the point across” because they’re 2 different things and there’s a reason they’re referred to as such, you’re just simply wrong and should have admitted it instead of trying to play it off like you know better.

          • Jared Vynn

            What causes recoil in both designs? The same thing that pushes the bullet out. Blowback uses recoil. This is basic physics.

          • No one

            No, words mean things, and you don’t get to simply decide what they mean on a whim to suit your needs. The fact you fail to accept this and yet keep arguing about the fact you don’t understand firearms is actually baffling. You’d think the amount of people calling you out for being flat out wrong would enlighten you, but I guess it’s just too hard to admit you’re wrong.

            I guess by your logic, gas operated firearms are blowback too, I mean, some of the propellant gasses are vented back to cycle the action and eject the spent cartridge through the energy of the high speed gasses returning, It’s basic physics!

            I mean, if I can define anything the way I want it to, a revolver and a CZ-75 are the same thing, I mean, both have a hammer, and a trigger, a way to hold multiple rounds of ammunition before needing to reload, and do damage by basic physics! therefore I proclaim there’s no difference at all because I said so and if anyone tries to prove me wrong I’ll change the dictionary and very common accepted terminology in the firearms world to fit my own meanings!

            Hey, let’s go further! If someone were to shove you in an argument, and you were to non fatally hit them with a car in response, both parties would be physically harmed to some degree due the “PHYSICS!” in both cases, does that mean they’re nearly the same thing? Of course it isn’t. Well, that, and legally one would be assault and battery, whereas the other would likely be attempted murder depending on the circumstances, but I bet if you argued in court that because both are just basically the same thing because both are injuries caused by basic physics so they’re both just even responses, I don’t think a judge or jury would buy you trying to manipulate words and terms to your own meanings in your defense.

            You lost, get over it.

          • Jared Vynn

            You ranted and ranted and think that meant something. This is the internet you don’t win or lose mate.

            And consider geometry for a bit, it’s well known that a square can be a rectangle while a rectangle​ can’t be a square.

            In this case short recoil operated firearms are a form of blowback action, a delayed form rather than straight blowback. Delayed blowback after all is simply blowback with an operation to delay the opening of the bolt/breech face by definition. And as blowback uses the opposite reaction of the forces to push on the bullet to cycle (AKA recoil operated) this makes short recoil operated fall under delayed blowback by definition. Unless you think there is some different force that causes short recoil operated to work other?

            I am basing all of this off the basic definitions used, short recoil operated falls within the definition of delayed blowback.

          • No one

            Oh, you better tell everyone following conventional, well accepted firearm wisdom that delayed blowback and recoil operation are the same thing now, even though there’s distinct differences that make them separate because you have the power to change the definition of words and terms on a whim!

            Also, there’s a word for people who refer to rectangles as squares, they’re called uneducated on the subject, much you you on firearms it would appear.

            The Steyr GB is delayed blowback, the FN FiveSeven is delayed blowback, The H&K P7 is delayed blowback, the Glock is NOT delayed blowback. Infact, a vast majority of firearms currently on the market are short recoil, something that is infact distinctly different from blowback as many people here have told you several times despite you playing mental gymnastics and shifting goalposts.

          • Jared Vynn

            I am not changing any words or definitions and an working completely within the existing definitions.

            Also reread my post, Square can be a rectangle but rectangle can’t be a square is quite clearly what I said, not rectangle equals square. The uneducated one appears to be you if you can’t grasp the basic logic I presented.

            Can you dispute that recoil is what operates both the recoil operated, delayed blowback, and blowback? Answer is no. The same force that operates the blowback also operate the recoil operated. A short recoil operated can be a delayed blowback but not vice versa. Much like a square can be a rectangle but not vice versa.

          • No one

            “I am not changing any words or definitions and an working completely within the existing definitions.”

            Yeah, yeah, whatever you say, just keep slipping deeper into denial because god forbid you man up and admit you made an incorrect statement.

            “Also reread my post, Square can be a rectangle but rectangle can’t be a square is quite clearly what I said, not rectangle equals square. The uneducated one appears to be you if you can’t grasp the basic logic I presented.”

            At least I can understand fundamental differences in how firearms work and not backpedal and shift goal posts constantly when proven wrong.

            also, speaking of that statement and being uneducated, that comparison was so awful I just had to share it, so I actually, told a few people that exact quote about without even naming you about squares and rectangles or what the original topic was about, I got a couple of amusing responses from friends.

            Let’s have a look.

            “If you’re gonna chastise someone by telling them about something that’s well known, it pays to not be so r—–ly wrong about it that your words mathematically contradict themselves”

            Next friend

            “Who the —- said that?”

            “Some guy who thinks short recoil and blowback are the same thing”

            “…..”

            5 lines down.

            “Basic physics is involved in literally everything, sooooooo……”

            Yeah, sorry to tell you, your comparison was THAT bad that people who don’t even know you or about this topic think that statement makes zero sense at all.

            “Can you dispute that recoil is what operates both the recoil operated, delayed blowback, and blowback? Answer is no. The same force that operates the blowback also operate the recoil operated. A short recoil operated can be a delayed blowback but not vice versa. Much like a square can be a rectangle but not vice versa.”

            Yes, actually, considering WE ALREADY DID MULTIPLE TIMES, you just refuse to listen and keep shifting goalposts and backpedaling instead or just plug your ears and pretend everyone else are the wrong ones because it certainly can’t be you! Also, do I have to repeat the responses I got with your amazing “square and rectangle” logic?

          • Jared Vynn

            Delayed blowback is a form of blowback operation intended for higher pressure rounds such as rifle rounds. It uses an operation that delays the opening of the bolt until the gas pressure drop to a safe level to reload when firing. Definition for delayed blowback.

            Recoil operation is an operating mechanism used to implement locked-breech, autoloading firearms. Recoil operated firearms use the energy of recoil to cycle the action. Definition of recoil operated.

            These are the definitions in use, by these definitions it is clear recoil operated can fall under delayed blowback. I haven’t changed or altered any words or definitions.

          • J Ballew

            No. just no/

            Blowback is depending on the combination of case obturation and slide mass *(with or without spring tension) to retard unlocking.

            Short recoil depends on external mechanical forces to determine unlocking . Same as long recoil. n Things will happen independently of forces exerted by the cartridge base.

            To even confuse blowback and short recoil.. Really?

          • Jared Vynn

            Delayed blowback is a form of blowback operation intended for higher pressure rounds such as rifle rounds. It uses an operation that delays the opening of the bolt until the gas pressure drop to a safe level to reload when firing.

            That’s the definition of delayed blowback.

            Blowback is a system of operation for self-loading firearms that obtains energy from the motion of the cartridge case as it is pushed to the rear by expanding gases created by the ignition of the propellant charge.

            That’s the definition of blowback.

            Recoil operation is an operating mechanism used to implement locked-breech, autoloading firearms. Recoil operated firearms use the energy of recoil to cycle the action.

            And that’s the definition of recoil operated.

            As the recoil is generated by the case pressing against the breech face after firing we can see recoil operated falls under the category of blowback, but because of the definition of recoil operated requiring a locked breech the opposite isn’t true. Furthermore the locking mechanism falls under the definition of being an operation to delay opening the bolt until pressure has safely dropped and thus falls under the definition of delayed blowback.

            Unless you think that the purpose of recoil operated isn’t to delay opening the breech until the pressure has dropped to safe levels?

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      other than ditch the finger grooves and help us lefties out with an ambi slide release, which we’re presumably going to get in gen 5s, I don’t know what grand, dramatic innovations people are wanting from them. is the slide not cool looking enough for you? does it need to say TAC-OPS NIGHT MURDER MAN on the side

      • Seamus Bradley

        If they ever open up from factory custom laser engraving TAC-OPS NIGHT MURDER MAN is on my list!

    • No one

      Probably making millions, if not billions of dollars still I imagine.

      I can’t imagine anything worse.

  • 1911Junkie

    In California there’s a list of handguns approved for sale in CA, so called “roster” : http://certguns.doj.ca.gov
    An FFL cannot transfer any handgun that is not on this list. Most guns are listed by the specific SKU, so there could be a situation where a black gun SKU is on the list, but the same model FDE SKU is not.
    Previously handgun models could be submitted for approval by a manufacturer, but recently that passed a law which does not allow any handgun to be put on a roster unless it has a micro stamping (unique ID imprinted on a cartridge case in at least two places). Essentially this means no new models can be put on roster. An older models require resubmission or re-certification if anything n the manufacturing process changes (new materials, new location, any change in the design, etc.)

    • MiamiC70

      I wish gun manufacturers would just stop selling to California put the screws on the ——- yards that live there and allow this BS.

  • 1911Junkie

    Also, Gen4 Glocks are not on the CA roster, so they cannot be imported, transferred or sold in CA (there are some exemptions though, but not for civilians)

  • SGT Fish

    OD green 19FS please and thank you

  • Edeco

    The 17L going to be 4th gen? It’s driving me nuts not to have the extra 3/4″ of barrel and slide

    • FightFireJay

      You could buy two guns, swap slides, and sell the unused portion on gun broker.

      • Sledgecrowbar

        It would be nicer to just buy the gun with the configuragtion you want. I’ve been hoping they would come out with a 17L Gen 4, too. I ended up buying a LW slide for mine to get the bullnose in a Gen 3.

      • Edeco

        Yech, gunbroker. I have thought of making a 17L ghost glock or something. Basically it has to come to me with high features and relatively low time/money cost, since my pistol needs are already thoroughly met, so an off-the-shelf 4th gen is the first I’d consider.

  • Symon Bang

    CA has a handgun roster, can’t buy anything from an FFL not on the roster, and for roster purposes, different finishes are considered a “different handgun” for roster purposes, so if the manufacturer comes up with a different color, it is considered a new handgun and they have to put it through “safety testing” in CA and PAY THE FEE to have it added on, but thanks to our microstamp requirement, you can’t even add a finish change that was not on the roster before.
    A good example of this is the CZ97, CZ actually makes the older version for CA, since by changing the fixed sights to night sights and the grips to aluminum from wood, it is considered a new handgun by CA definitions, and cannot be brought in since it was not added to the list before the micro stamp requirement.

    • DrewN

      Different SKU = different gun essentially.

      • James Young

        Exactly. That’s how CA sees it. Even a color change is a different gun

        • Dougscamo

          What a football bat!!!

    • Nicholas C

      But nothing to stop you from making those changes once you buy one in CA right?

      • Symon Bang

        Yup, once you have the pistol, you can have it modified (except for threaded barrels). Off topic but this is one reason I like 10 round .45s since I’m limited to 10 rounds in this state, just bothers me how much I will need to spend to have a CZ97 like everyone else can get.

  • M1911

    No, I don’t want to receive your newsletter, for the 100th time. FFS.

  • Gabriel

    You wouldn’t think it was possible, but somehow Glock managed to make their guns uglier…

  • Nolan

    I like that there are new steel sight. I’d like it more if there was a picture of what they look like.

  • Moondo

    So close, Glock, you need to make the under cut of the trigger guard larger, and bull nose the slide.

  • john huscio

    dont give a damn about slide serrations, just give me the m/gen5. anyways this is news thats at least a month old.

  • rennsport4.4TV8

    Either show a gen5 or M or go home.

    • FightFireJay

      “The public wants the M models, what should we give them?”
      “Let them have their cake and eat it too… give them forward slide serrations!”

      How long before someone re-subtitles the Downfall bunker scene with the Glock FS vs M fiasco, similar to when Glock brought out the 43???

  • Jim

    How about a Glock in .38 Super Auto? Ballistically, it’s a .357 Mag. in an auto frame. Not an over-pressure round. Proven man-stopper. Close to the same case diameter as a 9mm but a little longer, so no major dimension changes in the grip circumference. Very accurate round. Colt 1911’s were chambered for it back in the 1920’s & 30’s. Favorite of John Dillinger and FBI agent Melvin Purvis.

  • Dickie

    Im glad ppl are hating on glocks. Gives me a better chance on snagging a 17longslide and the 19 with front serrations.

    Glock says these are limited run specials only available for summer or until they run out.

  • Jared Vynn

    Only one wrong here are the ones attacking my person. It’s shameful you would rather disregard my well layed out logic because it goes against what you believe and instead attack me.

    A serious thought for you to consider is what could it hurt for me to be correct? What would it affect for Recoil operated to be considered a subtype of delayed blowback? It’s not like calling a double action revolver a semiautomatic because it advances the cylinder with every trigger pull, but it is like calling a revolver a repeating firearm because it can be fired multiple times without reloading.

    • No one

      Yes, the classic “no, YOU’RE all the wrong ones!” argument.

      And yes, it would infact hurt the intelligence of the average person to admit that something known to be factually inaccurate which you refuse to accept is right just because you say it is despite the fact no one with any actual sense and knowledge on the topic would, while we’re at it, can you just ACCEPT that I may be correct and the Earth is flat? nevermind that was debunked centuries ago, everyone who proves me wrong are the REAL wrong ones and I’m always right!

      Also great job on reporting someone who gave you the most firm beatdown on why exactly you’re wrong, I guess It’s easier to just silence anyone telling the truth then accept you could possibly be incorrect about something.

      • Jared Vynn

        You appear to be taking this very personal, has my application of logic offended you in some way? I could understand someone getting upset over calling a magazine a clip, but this is completely different like calling suppressors silencers. Pedantry can be important, but sometimes it is just trying to force other to conform to your views.

        • No one

          Calling a Magazine a clip is factually inaccurate, much like calling recoil operation and blowback the same type of action.

          (Also, calling a Suppressor a Silencer actually is accurate, you know, considering that’s what Hiram Maxim Jr. named his invention.)

          This isn’t pedantry, this is you being wrong and finding excuses.

  • Seamus Bradley

    If Glock wants to set a crap ton of guns the formula is rather simple:
    “M” series + MOS slide cut + steel sights + front serrations.
    BONUS POINTS FOR: Picatinny rail + frame reworking of adjustable back straps that are more akin to the M&P and “wrap” around the gun as appose to just cover the front and back + thinner/ more open trigger guard for heavy winter glove use.

    All but the bonus point one they are doing already but it is IMPOSSIBLE to get all of those features on any released gun.

    Glock for once needs to take a page from the other companies in the market. Who knows maybe they will take a page from Sig and go for the chassis design.

  • Blake

    I have no freaking idea what the Glock employee was talking about. We just have a pistol registry. If the gun isn’t on the list it can’t be bought in CA. Last I checked that counted all gen 4 Glocks so no matter what the color you can’t get a gen 4 in CA.