Fuchs Over & Under Bolt Action Rifles

Earlier we showed a side by side bolt action double rifle on TFB. Today we’ll take a look at a couple of over and under bolt action rifles made by the same company – Fuchs. The O&U versions of these rifles seem to be more slimline and handy if this kind of action can be handy at all.
So the idea behind these rifles is to combine the advantages of double rifles and bolt action rifles. It has the advantage of a double rifle to make a quick second shot by just pulling the second trigger. No bolt action can obviously allow such a fast second shot. At the same time, the gun has the advantage of a magazine fed bolt action rifle over double rifles when it comes to making the third shot. Unlike a double rifle, it doesn’t require to break the action and load it with another pair of cartridges. Instead, you just cycle the bolt and as fast as you can do it you’ll have next two rounds chambered.
Fuchs offers two versions of rifles with this action. The simpler one is called Blue Boy. Both barrels of this rifle are chambered in 8x68mmS cartridge. It feeds from a two or four round side mounted magazine. So you can keep it light using the two round magazine and having a 2+2 capacity (2 in the mag and 2 in the chambers). Or you can have the larger 4 round magazine and have 6 cartridges in the gun – 4 in the magazine plus 2 in the chambers. The rifle also features free floated barrels and has a Picatinny rail section for attaching a scope. This rifle weighs 11.5 lbs with 23.6″ barrels.

Fuchs Blue Boy

Next model is called African Queen. It is a more high-end rifle than the previous one. As you can see, the African Queen has engravings with gold inlays all over the metal parts. According to Fuchs, half of this rifle’s metal parts are made of titanium. Just like the Blue Boy, it also features free floated barrels, has the same magazine capacity options, barrel lengths and overall weight. The African Queen rifle is chambered in .416 Remington Magnum (both barrels).

Fuchs African Queen

 
That’s it – a brief look at another weird action and design from a European firearms manufacturer.




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  • M.M.D.C.

    Lovely.

    The engrave rifle would look better with a glossy finished scope, though.

  • YS

    Isn’t one advantage of a bolt action accuracy? I don’t see how both barrels can have the same POI over multiple distances.

    • RocketScientist

      They can’t. Double guns are typically “regulated” to share point of impact at a specific range (which can very depending on intended use). The act of regulating the barrels can be a very labor intensive process on traditional double rifles (testing, adjusting barrels by re-brazing, re-testing, lather/rinse/repeat) and is a major part of why these guns can be so costly.

      • Tassiebush

        It’s worth adding mention of the cheap end double rifles that have an adjustment mechanism to let the buyer regulate their own loads. Baikal and finnclassic are the two that come to mind.

      • Anonymoose

        I would like a double-scope for my double-gun please.

        • iksnilol

          Just regulate the bottom barrel to hit like one hashmark below the other barrel. Of course, you need a mildot scope for this.

          • Tassiebush

            Or develop a red dot sight that has two zeros and switches between the two points of impact under recoil so you make double rifles with independent free floating unregulated barrels. Cheeeep!

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      You’re looking at it wrong. It’s a double-gun for fast follow-up shots with almost no chance of a malfunction (between shots 1 & 2, 3 & 4, etc.), the bolt action aspect is basically a speed-loader.

      • YS

        So, something that allows you to dump couple rounds when the big game’s attacking you? Wouldn’t a side by side pump or lever action make more sense?

  • PK

    Well that settles it, I’ve contacted them asking for a price quote. I have no idea what these run, and the information apparently isn’t posted anywhere.

    • FullySemi-auto

      If you need to ask what it costs you can’t afford it.

      • PK

        That’s an absurd saying when discussing something that lacks any sort of MSRP. For all I know, it might be $10,000 or $1,000,000. That’s why I’m asking.

        • Mark

          Depending on engraving and configuration these rifles are $125k-$200k

          • PK

            The information I found showed a non-engraved model with exhibition wood going for $80k. For a plain Jane rifle, who knows… which is why I’ve asked.

          • jimmy craked corn

            Gunbroker.com sold a plain model a few years ago for $80,000 and they said that was half of the new retail value. A brand new plain model will run $165,000. The engraved one is over $200,000 brand new. How long does it take to receive one if you buy one as each one is hand made?

          • jimmy craked corn

            Gunbroker sold one a plain model a few years ago for $80,000 and they said that was half the retail price for a new. Gunsinternational has a matching pair for sale as they say”offered for sale far below replacement cost of $300,000″.

      • mazkact

        It’s like a menu or wine list with no prices. If you need to ask go elsewhere.

      • HSR47

        No, that’s a bullshit answer.

        In the vast majority of cases, failing to post prices is dumb, because it wastes everybody’s time with inquiries about pricing. If pricing had just been posted up front, those questions would never have been asked. Using those inquiries as an opportunity to insult potential customers is even dumber, because it is a surefire way to ensure that the vast majority of people will do everything reasonably in their power to ensure that you get as little business as possible.

    • wetcorps

      Well, apparently Fuchs aren’t given.

      • iksnilol

        They’re paid for.

  • kyphe

    When this was designed, no Fuchs were given that day.

    • FightFireJay

      I can’t figure out what the Fuchs I’m looking at!

  • iksnilol

    Fuchs, that’s a cool gun.

    Can’t wait for the version with alu wrapped barrels and carbon fiber stock. Preferably in 6.5×55.

    • Tinkerer

      batmanbitchslapsrobin.jpg

    • Sarig

      “Preferably in 6.5×55.”

      How to spot a Norwegian. First thing we look for.

      • iksnilol

        Well, not technically a Norwegian. But these Northerners have it figured out.

        #6.5x55MasterRace

        • Bernardo Costa

          I second that!

      • MeaCulpa

        Or a swede.

    • mazkact

      6.5×55 THE caliber.

    • Hyok Kim

      All that extra weight toward the muzzle, doesn’t it defeat the advantage of bolt action? I want my bolt light and handy.

      • iksnilol

        Is light weight suddenly an advantage of the bolt action?

        I mean, a .223 bolt action usually weighs the same if not more than a lightweight built 308 AR.

  • Mark

    Thank you to all those willing to buy these rifles for tens of thousands of dollars so that this craftsmanship and design can happen.

    • Old Vet

      I wish I was in that category myself. I love this thing.

  • Vet for Trump

    Can’t Fix Stupid.

  • Edeco

    Wow! I’d kind of rather the side-by-side, since there’s more room for mags, without turning into a Sten SMG. But still amazing. Needs to be in bullpup form, with 10 round mags and 26″ CFC wrapped barrels, for, erm, quick handling during water buffalo attacks.

    Great job having dual triggers instead of a selector. Drives me nuts when theres a weird multi-barrel gun and they go with the boring fire-control system.

    • Edeco

      Also I’d want one side chambered in 458 Lott and the other in 375 H&H, dialed to same POI at 50 yards. Or one in 416 Rigby, one in 338 LM.

      • Tassiebush

        I really like the idea of a repeating shotgun and rifle combination gun with dual triggers and a selector that picks which is reloaded by working the action. No idea how workable the concept is but gee it’d be neat.

  • Ryfyle

    Sweet! An Expensive Rifle to throw a cheap Field Sport Red Dot on.

  • derfelcadarn

    Ridiculous BS is sublime !? Who knew ?

  • B. Young

    Anybody got a price?

  • noob

    Remember – if it took more than one shot, you weren’t using a Jakobs! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d4709f180354ac92d132868d45eda16d2e5bc86c88ff65390a1bd4ba14ad4d12.jpg

    • Great_Baldung

      AND IF IT TAKES MORE THAN ONE SHOT TO LEVEL THE CITY, YOU WEREN’T USING A TORGUE!

  • noob

    And we laughed at the Gilboa / Silver Shadow DBR Snake double AR! Who is laughing now? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/81ee264f9c684fd49c45ce5f204a6654c7f907d37ede1e482782031be90d323e.png

  • John Daniels

    In 40 years, this will make a spectacular entry to the video archives of Forgotten Weapons.

    • datimes

      When Ian is in a wheelchair.

    • Y-man

      In 40 years, Snake Plissken [Sp?] will be using this in his ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK!

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        That movie takes place 20 years ago.

        • Y-man

          Oh… My bad… Maybe “Serenity” then?

  • VieteranGunsmith

    Great technical challenge and exercise, but it is fugly. and awkward as hell. I understand the attempt but the execution was not worth the time and effort when you consider there are many more elegant semiautomatic rifles out there that look so much better than this “thing”.
    Proof of the old saying that just because a thing can be made does not mean it should be.

    • iksnilol

      BOOO!

      Rule #1 of Africa: No semi autos (and when allowed, the magazine isn’t).

      And you call yourself a gunsmith, be ashamed.

      • ActionPhysicalMan

        But I hear about gentlemen using AKs on elephants and rhinos all the time!

      • VieteranGunsmith

        I AM a gunsmith with 45 years of experience and you? Not so much. I never had the priviledge of hunting in Africa, I was too busy making accurate and aesthetically pleasing guns. This thing may be adorned with remarkable embellishments but it is about as attractive as a warthog. It reminds me of a Krag Jorgenson, and we all know how that design was emulated by no one. The side loading internal box magazine was clumsy and had no graceful lines.
        Why is it that semiautomatic rifles aren’t allowed in Africa? Some irrational fear of rapid follow up shots, or do they think that having a wounded dangerous game animal charging you is the best way to go? Personally, I would opt for killing the animal in the most expeditious manner possible and putting restrictions on weapon types is just Victorian silliness.

        • iksnilol

          Well, that’s your taste. Pesrsonally I like the lines it has. Don’t badmouth the Krag, that just shows how little you know of shooting with one.

          Semi autos ain’t allowed in Africa because that’s the law. Simple as that. Also, a double barrel is faster than a semi auto for a follow up. No cycling time needed.

  • Marcus D.

    I would like to see that bolt in action. I can’t even imagine how it works.

  • Bigg Bunyon

    I’ve always liked Steampunk; even when it’s only maybe the “punky” part.

  • mazkact

    Appropriately named.

  • mazkact

    Must be a family name. All I can see is FUCXXXXs. Not great for marketing in the U.S or GB.

    • iksnilol

      What about the color Fuchsia? Does that bother you as well? Get your mind out of the gutter.

      • Beju

        I can’t help it, fuchsia reminds me of aroused lady parts.

  • Tassiebush

    Modify rear trigger to fire both barrels simultaneously if pulled first and load with duplex round’s for an expensive bolt action salvo rifle.

  • Glenn

    Why ? ? ?

  • Goody

    One of these could kill a deer just with its looks, if hampered by goofy laws give me a Maral any day.

  • Grant

    If it flies, floats or Fuchs it’s cheaper to rent than to buy.

  • .308 51st State

    If you own one of these and are considering taking it to the pawn shop, please call me first 😀

  • VieteranGunsmith

    Additionally, any double barreled rifle or shotgun has to be regulated to hit point of aim at a fixed distance which makes expecting it to hit the same point of aim with both barrels problematic to say the least. That is probably why most double rifles are express iron sighted instead of scoped because zeroing the weapon for accuracy would only be possible for the primary barrel until someone invents a double scope with two reticles.
    You can be assured that anyone who purchases such a gun to hunt dangerous game with is going to want extreme accuracy, but with a double rifle you can expect to be able to zero it to one point of impact from one barrel, and then adjust the scope to that point of impact. The other barrel will be close to the first zero, but only at one range and it would have to be regulated by the manufacturer to approximate accuracy and it would be nearly impossible to expect better than one and a half minute of angle between the two barrels.
    A traditional single barrel bolt angle gun would be more accurate than this double ever will be no matter who made it.

  • Ebby123

    Beautiful rifle… but the first thing that comes to mind is “why not just semi-auto”?