Russia Develops a New .45 ACP Pistol (OTs-122)

Russian “Nezavisimaya Gazeta” newspaper has recently released an interview with Alexey Sorokin, the director of Russian firearms manufacturing plant called TsKIB SOO. Among other subjects discussed they also talked about a new pistol, which is in development. In fact, they’ve released a computer mockup image of the pistol. The new gun is called OTs-122 (ОЦ-122) and it will be chambered in .45 ACP. So far only this image is available:

The most interesting part that jumps out is the suppressor (at least it looks to be one). It is unusually shaped, but presumably, has the same concept as SilencerCo Osprey suppressors with baffles being non-concentric to the bore axis. The advantage is obviously that sights are not obstructed with the suppressor body. Apparently, it also allows to use the light along with the suppressor. Other than that, the general shape and controls are reminiscent of HK USP.

Sorokin noted that during the designing process of OTs-122 they’ve extensively used 3D printing. Particularly, they’ve been printing the prototypes out of a high strength polymer to examine the interaction and fit, as well as ergonomics of different parts of the gun. They make corrections based on the 3D printed prototype and only after that they manufacture the actual metal-made working prototypes.

We’ll keep following the development of this gun and let our readers know about any updates.





Hrachya H

I was born and currently live in Armenia, where I work in a family business of leather goods manufacturing. Being a retired sergeant of my country’s armed forces and a lifelong firearms enthusiast, I always enjoy studying firearms design, technology and history. Also my knowledge of Russian allows me to translate and make Russian/Soviet/Combloc small arms related information available for the English speaking audience.
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  • Ed Ward

    Any word on Trump lifting Obama imposed Russian Arms import ban? The U.S. based Kalashnikov seems to be WAY behind schedule…?

    • Anonymoose

      While we’re at it get rid of the Clinton-Yeltsin import bans.

      • KestrelBike

        I’m losing what little faith I had to begin with (read: almost zero) that anything pro-gun would actually happen. Yes it’s early days, but easily more than half the GOP Congress hates trump and is fighting all the other executiving he’s trying to do…

        Gun stuff was a nice election topic to rattle the anti-clinton sabers, but like everyone expected, jack s*** is actually being done for any of it post-election. Besides bills being introduced that don’t even get past any committees.

        • Rick O’Shay

          Pretty sure he doesn’t really care. He promised whatever he needed to promise to get elected, just like any other politician.

        • Major Tom

          I wasn’t expecting him (and still currently aren’t) to amount to much if anything, even when I voted for Trump. He’s better than Hillary, but given that both were crap it was a decision to avoid the worse crap.

          That and I refuse to vote for dynasties anymore. Had 2016 somehow been Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton, I would have thrown away my vote on 3rd party. (As would probably a large section of the country if not majority given the exceptionally poor turnout in favor of Jeb in the primaries.)

          • noob

            Interesting (veering into politics territory but I am interested) – so Hillary was scary because she’d actually do what she’d promised, and Trump was less scary because he probably won’t be able to do what he promised?

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          I feel sorry for anyone who thinks he actually gives a flying sh-t.

        • Brocus

          You honestly thought a New York billionaire literally living in an ivory tower gives a crap about any of that? If so, I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Might soon get easier to import golf clubs from Russia though.

          • Ed Ward

            Send me the paperwork on the bridge…

        • ozzallos .

          Srsly?

          -Lead-Free State land Ban …Repealed.
          -Social Security Firearms Purchase ban …Repealed.

          It’s not even 100 days, dude.

          • Wow!

            EDIT: This comment isn’t directed to you ozzallos

            Maybe you guys haven’t been paying attention, but we have a serious immigration and healthcare problem to solve, as well as the possibility of war. Trump is working on a lot of things right now, and he has gotten more done in the first months than any other president. Guns are not the first priority and honestly, guns rights are not secured by the government but by the people.

            I mean, let’s be honest, how much have YOU done to fix the problems of America? Let’s hear it.

      • Major Tom

        And ’86 importation bans. And the GCA, and the NFA.

        And while we’re at it, disband the ATF.

  • HK fanboy

    “the general shape and controls are reminiscent of HK USP.”
    If you’re gonna copy…

  • Stephen Paraski

    Love it. Now make a .45 acp AK carbine, import to US and sell like hotcakes.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    They missed a golden chance to correct the only flaw of the USP: The bass ackwards mag release.

    • Anonymoose

      But that’s the best part…

      • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

        Youre one of those people…

        • iksnilol

          That mag release should be standard on all pistols, less likely to be activated accidentally and it is actual ambi.

          • Czwithpaddlesplease

            Count me in the paddle crowd.Being a Cz s!ut, my wet dream is a Cz 75 or P07 with a paddle release. I might start carrying a PPQ just because the option of paddle release.

          • Ed Ward

            Yup–I carry a Beretta 21A pocket pistol and too frequently I have to reseat the magazine due to inadvertent release from grip mag eject button….

          • iksnilol

            I remember first time I tried a Sig P226 with my left hand. I drew the damn thing and then BLAM! … the magazine had hit the floor.

          • noob

            my heart skipped a beat at “blam”

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, didn’t get to fire a round. Then again, that’s probably because it was empty. Was just groping the gun to see how it felt.

        • Tinkerer

          Which people? The ones with five fingers -one of which is an opposable thumb?

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    So theyre in the computer mock up stages of a .45?

    Sounds major.

  • MPWS

    Question is how much more or better you can do in handguns with all in place already. Yes, similarity with HK is obvious. This is not to say it has to be same in every detail.

  • Sianmink

    Darn, I was hoping that was a muzzle-loading underbarrel mini-grenade launcher.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e9e017dea99bd940dad597367ecda2ee4f6fc7d8f1a0a58fcf3d18cc5a60a4e6.jpg

  • Nicholas C

    Im surprised the person who mocked up the 3D drawing didnt fix the weaponlight. It wont work well with the suppressor in the way.

    • noob

      maybe they liked light sabers?

  • aweds1

    What interest could Russia have in making a .45ACP? Given all their 9mm equipment of various kinds, it seems odd.

    • Max Glazer

      Sometimes 9mm doesn’t do the job on the high-on-drugs enemy. Sometimes head-shot isn’t an option. That was the EXACT reason they developed ASh-12 assault rifle that fires a 12.7x55mm ammunition. Leave it to Russians to make THAT kind of monstrosity.

      • No one

        If you don’t stop your target in the first few hits, It’s because 1. your aim is off and 2. pistols are terrible at stopping determined attackers, drugs or not.

        9mm or .45 ACP isn’t going to change that.

        • Max Glazer

          All else even, .45 ACP will always cause more damage then 9mm. Bullet is heavier and gives higher stopping power due to more energy transferred to the target. I’d rather hit one target once/twice and shoot the next one, then pump 5-6 rounds into it and then move onto next one as that extra 1-1.5 sec can mean the diff between me killing them both or killing one and other getting me. You ALWAYS want to hit your target harder.

          • No one

            “All else even, .45 ACP will always cause more damage then 9mm. Bullet is
            heavier and gives higher stopping power due to more energy transferred
            to the target.”

            Which is why pretty many PDs and Federal agencies are switching back to 9mm after the FBI determined 9mm has about the same terminal effectiveness as .40 S&W and .45 ACP with modern loadings right? Velocity kills, mass just sitting there doesn’t do anything, mainly considering 9mm and .45 ACP actually have about the same energy considering the large PSI differences between the 2 and will have the same “energy transfer” if they don’t fully penetrate the target.

            “I’d rather hit one target once/twice and shoot the next one, then pump
            5-6 rounds into it and then move onto next one as that extra 1-1.5 sec
            can mean the diff between me killing them both or killing one and other
            getting me. You ALWAYS want to hit your target harder.”

            Yeah, only there’s an equal chance of either happening whether or not you’re using a 9mm pistol or a .45 ACP pistol, pistols are just bad period at stopping determined attackers, but at least with 9mm you’ll have more ammunition in your magazines and less recoil for quicker follow up shots making your “extra 1-1.5 sec” scenario a complete myth. If anything, you’d be more likely to die to a second attacker using a .45 ACP pistol due to running out of ammunition faster or not being able to aquire the second target fast enough for follow up shots. “Stopping power/knockdown power” is a complete myth, velocity and good bullet design are far more important.

            As Russian Spetsnaz once said: “You need your pistol to get to your assault rifle, which you never should have left anywhere.”

            Actually the Spetznaz weren’t even the first to say that line, and it was just rifle in general, since rifles firing much higher velocity projectiles do infact cause far more damage then pistols.

            “As a backup when you need to transition from rifle to pistol in event of
            failure to fire, you still wanna deliver the hardest hit possible.”

            Which, as said above, the .45 ACP won’t actually do as knockdown power is one of the longest standing ballistic myths there is.

          • Max Glazer

            Mass doesn’t do anything? Ever heard of inertia? Larger size (11.43 vs 9mm) increases the damaged surface area and larger mass helps bullet continue forward on to rip a nice big chunk of flesh out the back.

            If mass does nothing, care to explain why US military had been trying to find a more effective LARGER round then current 5.56×45? What was the point of developing 6.8 and then .300 blackout? You’d rather be on a receiving end of a smaller guy then a bigger guy. Can’t deny physics. Russian 9x39mm ammo with heavy subsonic bullet is proof of that.

            You might have more ammo in the mag, but you’ll be spending more ammo per target and thus more time to put him down. It takes way longer to make extra 2-3 shots, period. Range you use pistol at, accuracy is sufficient for follow up shots, recoil or not. Unless the shooter is a crappy shot in which case he has no business carrying or even trying to use a pistol in a combat situation.

            It’s been proven that time is of essence in firefight. You denying it flies in the face of every instructor I ever been taught by, both military and civie. Same goes for ammo. The less ammo spent per enemy the better.

            Doesn’t matter who was first. What matters is the meaning. Also Rifle bullet ALWAYS weighed more historically.

          • No one

            “Mass doesn’t do anything? Ever heard of inertia?” I don’t know, have you ever actually READ Newton’s laws of motion that would show why Intertia is a meaningless value on how effective a round is at stopping a target? I have.

            “Larger size (11.43 vs 9mm) increases the damaged surface area and larger
            mass helps bullet continue forward on to rip a nice big chunk of flesh
            out the back.”

            Hollow points rarely fully exit a target, and if you think all of 2.5mm/2.43mm is going to make some massive difference, mainly when a vast majority of pistol rounds move too slow to cause great secondary effects (less when using JHPs), I’m afraid I have some bad news for you, or did you glance over that part where the FBI switched back from .40 to 9mm after determining in multiple tests that 9mm is just as effective as .40 S&W and .45 ACP? Velocity kills.

            “If mass does nothing, care to explain why US military had been trying to
            find a more effective LARGER round then current 5.56×45? What was the
            point of developing 6.8 and then and then .300 blackout?”

            I don’t know, what WAS the point, the former was NEVER requested by the standard Armed forces or SOCOM common to reformist beliefs and that’s a myth propagated by Gary Roberts, funnily enough, 6.8mm SPC also never reached the Armed Forces desired velocity requirements (remind me, what kills?) and the army simply chose to upgrade their fleet of 5.56x45mm ammunition types instead (and If you seriously think the 5.56mm is bad rifle against man sized targets at this point, you’re the one denying the evidence of gunfighting experience, not me) the latter was also never designed for use by the US armed forces and would be completely awful as a potential replacement for 5.56x45mm (which it never was, it was designed mostly for subsonic use) tell me again how the Army sees these rounds as so much more effective if they have zero plans on actually using them?

            Also, I’m guessing you missed the part where the US Armed Forces determined that, through extensive studies that a 9 man team armed with M16s could throw out more effective fire power then a 14 man team armed with M14s, using a 7.62x51mm cartridge larger then both 6.8mm SPC and .300 Blackout, I guess considering this happened in the very late 50s-early 60s and is still true today, The armed forces actually aren’t looking for anything to replace the 5.56mm and 7.62mm for specialist roles! (unless CSAT does actually go anywhere, but that’s more about saving weight on ammunition then anything.)

            “You’d rather be on a receiving end of a smaller guy then a bigger guy.”

            I don’t know, does the big guy punch at speed of 30 MPH while the smaller one punch at speeds of 90 MPH? I’d take the big guy in that case.

            “Can’t deny physics. Russian 9x39mm ammo with heavy subsonic bullet is proof of that.”

            Those bullets which perform significantly worse then lower caliber rounds fired at supersonic speeds? this proves what? 9x39mm is like .300 blackout in that it was designed specifically for Subsonic use first, any well designed 5.56mm or even rounds like the 7.62x39mm 8m3 are going to absolutely destroy it.

            Also, velocity is part of physics calculations, hope that helps.

            “You might have more ammo in the mag, but you’ll be spending more ammo
            per target and thus more time to put him down. It takes way longer to
            make extra 2-3 shots, period.”

            What part of “just as effective according to the FBI themselves” eluded you? you’ll be spending the same amount of rounds, you’ll just have more of them and less recoil/easier target aquisition. PDs and federal agencies are switching back to 9mm, there’s a reason for that.

            “Range you use pistol at, accuracy is sufficient for follow up shots, recoil or not.” The FBI and various PD and SWAT teams disagree with you.

            “Unless the shooter is a crappy shot in which case he has no business
            carrying or even trying to use a pistol in a combat situation.”

            Even the best police shooters have had trouble taking down fully sober opponents driven by sheer willpower, why? it wasn’t their aim, they should’ve been lethal hits, pistols are just terrible at keeping a determined attacker down.

            “It’s been proven that time is of essence in firefight. You denying it
            flies in the face of every instructor I ever been taught by,”

            Most instructors are clueless, In taking the choice between unnamed instructors and “actual tests and documents by the FBI and the US Armed forces”, I’m surely taking the latter.

            “both military and civie. Same goes for ammo. The less ammo spent per enemy
            the better.” It turns out you’ll spend the same amount of ammo, possibly less using a lower recoiling, easier to control and reaquire on target cartridge, how about that?

            “Doesn’t matter who was first. What matters is the meaning. Also Rifle bullet ALWAYS weighed more historically.”

            What the hell? are you implying Rifle bullets have weighed more then .230 gr (your original quoted weight for the standard loading of .45 ACP)? are you insane? If I could list every modern rifle cartridge lighter then that that are far more effective then .45 ACP would ever bee since the very late black powder era to the smokeless powder era, your head would spin.

  • roguetechie

    I’d like a pair of PL-15’s in 9×18, 9×19, & 9x21built to handle the Russian +p+ and a little more GPAP ammunition and using a variation of the gsh-18 operating mechanism and definitely using true double stack gsh-18 style magazines!

    Bonus points for a pull then push feeding arrangement. Even more bonus points for using techniques found in the Robinson model 11. I don’t need a holster, but I will require a simple locking mechanism a LA removable stock hi power pistols along with the toleranced technical drawings of the locking mechanism.

    I don’t ask for much, this should totally be doable in a week or two…

  • Mark Lee

    The apparent misalignment of the ejection port with the magazine is striking. I’ve got to figure out how that works before thinking about the potential performance of that suppressor. Just having a ported barrel on the underside is going to have severely limited functionality.

  • Sean

    A Russian HK USP Compact. I’ll take the German one