Beretta APX – More Information Released by Beretta

Beretta has released more information about their APX pistol on their website (in Italian). They’ve shown several images and a video, as well as more technical specifications and general information about the APX. Let’s watch the video first:

So the gun will be offered in four frame color options: black, wolf gray, olive drab and flat dark earth.

Just like SIG P320, Beretta APX has the trigger mechanism in a separate metal chassis, which allows swapping the frames on the same handgun. The chassis is the serialized part and it is considered the firearm (not the frame).

The gun will also come with interchangeable backstraps of three sizes – small, medium and large.

 

Magazine release button is not ambidextrous but it is reversible. Beretta also points out that they’ve designed the smooth external lines of the gun to make holstering and unholstering much easier. APX also has a striker deactivation button on the right side of the frame. It is for disassembly without the need to pull the trigger for dropping the striker.

Decocking button

The gun also has a firing pin blocking safety, which prevents the striker from dropping unless the trigger is pulled.

The firing pin safety protrudes on the slide.

Beretta has also released a .pdf brochure, which you can download right here.

Here are some images of the gun:

I think with the MHS contract lost to SIG, Beretta will probably start “aggressively” marketing APX in civilian and law enforcement markets.



Hrachya H

Being a lifelong firearms enthusiast, Hrachya always enjoys studying design, technology and history of guns and ammunition. His knowledge of Russian allows him to translate and make Russian/Soviet/Combloc small arms related information available for the English speaking audience.
Should you need to contact him, feel free to shoot him a message at TFBHrachyaH@gmail.com


Advertisement

  • Harry’s Holsters

    World record for longest US release. I don’t understand why they have taken so long and still haven’t released it to the US market.

    • TTremel

      Italian KelTec?

    • Giolli Joker

      Blame the MHS…

  • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

    World record for ugliest Italian design, that slide is an abomination.

    • M

      I know right, they need to get rid of those buttresses

    • Gary Kirk

      “Beretta also points out that they’ve designed the SMOOTH external lines of the gun to make holstering and unholstering much easier.” REALLY!? By making it into the fashion of a Tapcon concrete anchor??

    • AC97

      I would also question the effectiveness of the slide serrations.

      • Gary Kirk

        Great for epoxy anchoring in concrete..

    • pallama

      You can rack that slide on anything, which is how it should be. I always hated those effeminate partitioning of the slide as having areas where your supposed to grip it.

      • noob

        GRIP ZONE is everywhere now

        • ppamnan

          Gun makers were too inspired by Top Guns ‘DANGER ZONE!’, you can only hold that slide in certain areas, in the back, maybe at the front, everything else is forbidden.

      • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

        lol

    • Anonymoose

      I love getting these little chocolate APXs whenever I see them at the store! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e19c3f5b88bac112215c952a7c14a31cd64085566fee76cdd3d287c2dc36e9fb.jpg

      • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

        thats swiss …womp womp

        • Zachary marrs

          Look at the slide, and look at the toblerone

    • tiger

      Now, now…. Fiat holds that honor.

  • Joseph Smith

    So it’s a P320? Or should I say [clears throat] XM17 knock off?

    • Joseph Goins

      It can’t be a knock off if it came out first.

      • Joseph Smith

        Nope. Two years after P320 according to Wiki.

        • Joseph Goins

          My comment was about how the gun couldn’t copy from the XM17 since it came first. The P320 is different than the XM17. The APX and the P320 were designed around the same time. (If you read the Wikipedia entry, you should have seen that the APX copied from the P220 which is decades old.)

          • Joseph Smith

            No, they weren’t. Like Moose said, the P320 came from the P250 which is a decade old design. Then the P320 came TWO FULL YEARS before the APX.

          • Joseph Goins

            Again, the P320 is different than the XM17.

          • Gary Kirk

            If you read the correct Wikipedia post, the earth is still flat..

      • Anonymoose

        P250 came out first like 10 years ago back when the military started searching for a modular handgun that could do the things they wanted for the Joint Combat Pistol program but also be converted to 9×19 and .40S&W. The P320 is just a striker-fired P250.

        • Martin frank

          They did not “slap this together” due to the army rejecting the m9a3. This gun was around before the m9a3 proposal and already submitted too.

          • Gary Kirk

            But… Was still years behind the P250.. I love my Berettas (albeit all 92/96 series) but, they’ve been resting on their laurels a bit for too long.. And just seem to be grasping anymore, trying the whole tacticool approach to styling..

          • Anonymoose

            Looking at historical google results, it looks like they were both released to the public at basically the same time (M9A3 was submitted for Army consideration on 10 December 2014, “APX” was trademarked by Beretta in January 2015, and the design was kept under wraps and out of the public spectacle except for a lot of conjecture), likely because they knew the APX was a born loser and was not ready for all this “modular” stuff the Army wanted. Unless you have some secret insider information (which you will need to post to prove your claims) then it can be said that the APX is just a slapped-together ripoff of the P320 with M&P backstraps. The fanboy debate between SIG and Beretta (and Glock, S&W, 1911s, revolvers, etc) will rage for eternity, but for right now Beretta (and Glock and S&W) are the big losers and SIG is the indisputable victor. From the looks of things, Glock and S&W didn’t even really try (M2.0 is great and all but you still can’t go from 9mm to .45). At least Beretta made something modular, even if it is fated to go down as “the Tactical Toblerone” and have its conversion kits forgotten, just like the BU40 Nano and .32ACP Pico. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/edb8208f0ea922f379091da829f21d5a7cd31f38f02cea5c4631f9222f806140.jpg

          • SecretBearSquirrel

            If all you can call up as a source is “historical google results” then what on earth can you base your claim of the gun being “just a slapped-together ripoff of the P320 with M&P backstraps” on? Anyone with a degree of common sense/ knows anything about basic product development knows it takes years of R&D before ANYTHING sees the light of day. Just because it’s not on google for you to see doesn’t mean you can claim a factual high ground. Beretta had enough experience with M9 lot acceptance tests to accurately guess how rigorously any new handgun would be validated, and I can guarantee you that the APX (probably under some internal prototype name) has been in development for ages to get it to where Beretta considers it ‘right’. Meaning long before anyone outside of SIG even knew the P320 was a thing. And I can say that without conjecture because that comes from Beretta reps at SHOT 17 and HIT. Also, having shot the APX, it certainly doesn’t feel ‘slapped together’.

            All that said, that Toblerone comment is hilarious, and its probably going to stick.

  • Joseph Goins

    This is still the ugliest modern pistol design.

    • DW

      Remington RP9?

      • Joseph Goins

        ARX is uglier.

        • ostiariusalpha

          Arsenal Strike One?

          • Joseph Goins

            ARX. Strike One has a weird sex appeal to it.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Sure it does, if you like your Glock with a pig snout.

  • Jim Slade

    The Hollywood prop guys will buy a few, ‘cuz that thing will dam sure stand out on the screen, but the market is a little ‘saturato’ with strikers that don’t look like somebody put a Glock and a geometry textbook in a blender.

    • Audie Bakerson

      Really have to wonder why fiction doesn’t use the M&P that often. Unlike the rest of its striker fired brethren it’s not entirely hideous.

      • TJbrena

        It’s in Alpha Protocol and Tom Clancy’s The Division.

        The gameplay on the former is sort of janky and maxing out stealth and pistol skills practically breaks a lot of the game, but being able to manipulate and play characters off each other by doing your homework, interacting with them and either helping or harassing them is great.

        It’s literally “Your Choices Matter: The Game”.

        The Division got cleaned up a lot with the last two updates, too.

  • Rimfire

    Any idea of street price for USA?

    • Aaron Hsu

      In other markets they are selling at MSRP’s around where Glock’s are in that area.

  • Dickie

    I like it and want one in grey. I think the plastic on the p320 is ugly and cheap looking. This looks better

    • GordonTrenchard

      The grey does looks good. Ditto on the Sig.

  • Action45

    Typical Beretta, announcing a new product WAY before the intended release date.

    • Chris

      Didn’t they announce this over a year ago?

      • Aaron Hsu

        It’s been announced and is currently shipping in other markets. It has not been announced nor is it shipping in the US.

  • tiger

    I want modular internals with PX4 storm styling. Not a Walther/Glockish line.

    • TJbrena

      Even Glocks look better than this gun. At least those have a minimalistic appeal to them.

    • JLR84

      I liked the styling of the Px4, but it’s such a chunky gun.

      It was actually my first gun and I quickly learned that I hated DA/SA triggers, and once I got to the point where I wanted to carry it was just too chunky to conceal.

  • GunnerMcGunner

    Cool…a Glock made by Beretta. Yawn.

    • b0x3r0ck

      So what are we going to call a Glock with a fire control group “a Sig made by Glock”?

      • Gary Kirk

        By “fire control group” do you mean selective firing control (select fire)? If so, you would call that a G18.. However, if you were referring to a handgun with a subframe containing the necessary controls for operating said firearm, that can easily/readily be removed from one chassis and assembled into another to adjust to different user, size, carry, or situation.. You would currently just refer to it as a Sig..

        P320

        • b0x3r0ck

          Since Sig P320 is now the new handgun for the US ARMY. Making it Sig’s flagship handgun it not out of the question that any handgun related talk about Sig the first gun that should come to mind is the P320. It like any talk about Glock people are going to think G19 till you say a different model number. And yes I’m talking about the trigger pack/ subframe.

          • Gary Kirk

            Well, if you wanna talk flagship model.. For the Glock, it’d most likely be the G17.. And for Sig, be a 22x series.. In the US, it’d be the 226

          • Anonymoose

            They still make 9mm P220s in Europe and Japan I think but good luck finding them in the US (except for surplus, and most of those are P225s/P6s), and the Glock 19 is vastly more popular in the US than the 17 (I think it’s probably fairly balanced out between the 10,000,000s of American G19 owners and all the military/law enforcement 17 users worldwide, but the G22 and G23 come in close third and fourth for American law enforcement users). When someone in America thinks “SIG” they definitely think of the P226, but the full-size P220 in 9mm looks pretty much just like it from the side. I don’t see that image in their heads of the classic P220/226 changing to the P320 too soon even with the XM17 adoption.

          • Zachary marrs

            According to glock, their most popular gun is the G19.

            If that doesn’t make it their flagship, i wouldn’t know what would

      • AC97

        “Glock brand Sig.”

        • LGonDISQUS

          “GERMAN PROBLEM SOLVER”

      • TJbrena

        A Microsoft-brand Nintendo.

    • imtoomuch

      LOL Glock troll. Glock invented all guns. Anything not 1911 is a Glock.

  • abecido

    Another striker-fired polymer snoozer. This is truly the most boring age of the pistol.

    • Major Tom

      Indeed. A hundred years ago in World War One we were in a wondrous age of the pistol. All kinds of innovative designs, different types and functions both new and old from pepperbox multi-barrel guns firing revolver cartridges (Lancaster Howdah) to modern box fed magazine pistols like the 1911 to hammerless pistols (FN 1903) to pocket pistol designs and toggle lock action P08s to pistols fed by stripper clip like the Steyr 1912 and C96! And a lot of pistols had add-on kits to turn them into tiny carbines! And all this alongside old school loading gate revolvers many of whom still fired black powder cartridges!

      And then there was Kolibri. Epitome of “little useless gun” if there ever was one.

  • meh

  • Blake

    This thing would actually look pretty decent with about a 6″ bbl/slide on it. As it sits it’s kinda “stubby” IMHO.

    Did they really need to stamp “fires without magazine” on the frame though? (Maybe it’s an Italian thing e.g. “we do not recommend putting any body parts outside the train window”).

    However my favorite Beretta handgun designs remain the 92FS & the U22 Neos. My Neos had a pretty loose chamber (so that it could shoot Stingers) & precision suffered as a result, but it still felt & handled great & I appreciated it a lot for that.

    http://www.beretta.com/assets/0/15/DimGalleryLarge/neos_zoom002.jpg

    You can see the influence the Neos design had on this APX…

    • The “fires without magazine” warning is pure US market CYA legalese to head off lawsuits by morons who kneecap themselves trying to spin-holster a pistol in front of the TV while they’re watching Robocop; it’s not “an Italian thing”, it’s a “Wonko The Sane” thing.

  • TTremel

    Hey…. make this gun a hit, build it to use 92 mags…. Oh wait, that’s obviously to simple of an idea for Beretta to grasp. May as well called it ACR because that’s the type of success they can expect.

    • Kjk

      Yea its insane how they (or other companies) don’t do that with very popular mags that are proven and plentiful. That would be a huge selling point for ppl that want to “upgrade” while using their large inventory of mags. But I guess the experts at these companies do research and show it’s not as profitable to do something that seems like a no brainer.

  • Merica1776

    So they made a steyr

  • LGonDISQUS

    If I yawn any harder about this thing, I may get TMJ. *ho hum*

    Sorry, there’s nothing about this that excites me, or does the P320.

    *Flamesuit on*

  • GordonTrenchard

    The military version had a manual safety. I’ll take one of those, especially if they have a compact kit similar to the Sig which is unsightly to me.

  • Pullthetrigger

    I don’t like the idea of a striker deactivation button. I know the odds of something inadvertently pressing it are slim, but I’ve seen mechanical malfunctions wit less complicated designs (glock) and won’t trust my life to a weapon with a built in kill switch. Just clear the weapon in a safe/appropriate manner and pull the freaking trigger. It’s funny how people preach that dry firing is some of the best training (which I agree with) then shudder at the thought of pulling the trigger at disassembly.

    • Kjk

      I know. Crazy. People talk like pulling the trigger on an empty gun will kill everyone in the room.

    • Gary Ramey

      Unfortunately, the world is filled with idiots. Which is why the words “accidental discharge” and “negligent discharge” were launched.

  • Aaron Hsu

    Man, lots of hate for a pistol that by all accounts is a well thought out design that has been through a lot of testing before being released to the public and actually looks pretty good. Everyone keeps saying that they want something fresh and different, but then they all complain when it isn’t a Glock or something that they are familiar with. The styling on this gun is clean and functional, and actually suits a purpose while also looking distinctive. It looks better, IMO, than the P320 or the M&P 2.0, that’s for sure.

    And Beretta needed to get into the striker-fired market with something good. This gun has been in the works, according to them, for a long time, while still seeming to have everything in a striker-fired platform that people claim they want: 1. good trigger, 2. solid ergonomics, 3. modularity (more so even than the P320 because of the backstraps and frame change combination), 4. design/engineering to improve reliability (see the magazine design), 5. controls and contours designed for “tactical” use (slide serrations that aren’t bad for carry but that allow you to rack from anywhere and on anything with a ledge, glove friendly design, rip friendly magazine baseplates, easy maintenance, &c.), and so on. I mean, come on.

    I say let’s get the pistol into our hands and enjoy all of the selection we have now. They have, on paper, delivered a solid offering that is distinctive and competitive within the segment. It’s not redefining the market or anything, but it’s a solid offering. And yes, it looks cool, let the design grow on you.

    • Molon Labe

      Finally a comment that makes some sense…
      I hate the fact that everybody complains about the lack of variety in the gun market but then when something actually original comes out (see ARX 100) everybody complains because it doesn’t look or handle like an AR so it must be ugly.
      Same with the APX. Everybody complains about Glocks but when a pistol that has a different look comes on the market everybody complains and calls it ugly.

      • janna

        It’s cause America is world wide known for it’s good taste, style and decorum Italy in contrast is a eurotrash backwater of philistines.

    • AD

      While I’m not sold on the styling of the slide, I agree that it looks better than a lot of modern striker pistols these days. Plus if we are to be honest form should follow function, right? If those serrations are functional, then we should be OK with how they look.

  • Malthrak

    I love me some Beretta, and in fact own multiple Beretta guns, but they’re a couple years late to the party with this one. The striker fired glock clone market is already saturated, the internal serialized chassis thing has had its thunder stolen by other releases, and it lacks the sleek styling of the 92 or PX4, it really does look like a weird over-tactical’d Glock. If they’d released this a couple years ago when it first previewed, it might have been relevant, but at this point it *feels* like a “me too” bandwagon gun that is positioned to be immediately overlooked and promptly forgotten on release…sometime in the future.

    Not sure what they were doing over there in Italy, but they dropped the timing ball on this one. I’m sure the pistol will be perfectly capable, but poor market positioning.

    • Aaron Hsu

      We’ll see how the marketing goes. I think it’s been a little different with this gun than others. Beretta has essentially done no marketing on this in the US. No SHOT preview, nothing. They’ve focused all their efforts on releasing and targeting markets outside the US first. Unlike the companion ARX-100 which was previewed in the US and then took a very long time to show up, the APX is already shipping to other countries right now, but they’ve held off on US based marketing. To me it feels like they’re trying something different than their status quo with lots of way too early release previews. I’m hoping that they’re (slowly) beginning to learn their lesson about American’s and their fickle interest in a product, and are going to pull a Ruger or something like that and have products shipping the moment they actually start advertising the gun here.

      As for the “me too” thing, while technically you’re correct, the same is true of pretty much all of the other modern striker fired guns. The M&P was a me too gun from a “revolver” company. The Ruger American Pistol is a “me too” release. The Remington RP9, the PPQ, the VP9, and so on, are *all* me too bandwagon releases. Each has some small thing that they have that sort of “sets them apart” from the rest, but they’re all basically trying to get on board with the modern striker fired gun model. The CZ P10 or whatever it is called is about as “me too” as they come, but plenty of people are excited about that one, too.

      The styling may be weird, but that’s kind of a good thing. The styling also looks very practical, like a distinctive approach to meshing functionality and style together. I like that. People can claim “oh, it’s just another Glock,” but then they sort of contradict themselves as a group by bringing up the looks. Looks are a part of the whole equation, and a neat, different style to the striker fired aesthetic is in itself worth something. In a lot of ways, all the other guns aren’t Glocks because they don’t *look* like Glocks.

      But what do I know? I like the Steyr M9A1 a lot, too. I do think that the APX and the ARX are exceptionally well paired together as an aesthetically “matched set” in the tactical poly-wonder world. That in itself is kind of neat.

  • AZgunner

    And people say Glocks are ugly…. this thing is just beyond awful.

  • DogWithToy

    So just like a P320 but with lower bore-axis. I wonder what the asking price will be.

  • Gambler X

    looks like they Italian-ized a VP9

  • Oronzi

    I handled one at a hunting show last week (I have medium hands):
    – When I saw pics it did not look so bad
    – but grip too big
    – and trigger guard too long (might be ok if you wear gloves, otherwise the finger slips inside)
    Might have been designed strictly for military (but why then the grip is that thick). Not good for me.

    Handled the Arsenal (strike one or Stryk b) Much, much better…

  • Mmmtacos

    How is Beretta’s customer service anyway? Is it as slow as their response to the modern pistol market?

    And here I thought H&K was late to the polymer-framed, striker-fired game.

    (In before VP70 cause you know what I meant)

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    Wouldn’t the correct firearm term for the chassis be a “lock” or “lockwork” ?

    • Andrea Goldstein

      No.

      • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

        Clarify. Why not?

        • Andrea Goldstein

          Because a chassis holds the lockwork within it. The chassis is like the framework, while the lockwork itself comprises the individual parts that fire the weapon, such as the trigger mechanism.

          • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

            Look at a traditional lock for a black powder rifle. It includes the chassis and most, if not all, the FCG parts.

            Together, that’s called the “lock”.

            I really don’t see how these modern versions are any different from a terminology standpoint.

          • Andrea Goldstein

            “Chassis comes from the Latin capsa, meaning box. In the 1600s, chassis referred to window frames, and starting with early automobile production, acquired its dominant meaning, i.e., the box that is the frame for the car. It also means other kinds of frame/boxes too — if you have a radio or a stereo, the outside box is called a chassis.” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c5af0fa0606c2d4411b9e739b7884a5917eb02ad14240ff8e4f4690ba0947f44.jpg

  • Disarmed in CA

    ‘firing pin blocking safety’ looks like it might be in the way if you wanted to mill it for a red dot. Unless it’s sub $500 street price I don’t see it as much competition.

  • Gary Ramey

    Recently I had the opportunity to see the firearm at a Dealer Show and it looks great.
    Handled nicely too.
    Very good balance, comfortable grip and the slide serrations worked.
    I look forward to shooting it.
    And with Beretta quality, it will be a firearm that will last a long time.

  • Gary Ramey

    Ciao Chiara, a quanto pare alcune persone pensano progettazione di un arma da fuoco è facile!
    Si prega di dire ciao a tutti a Gardone per me.

  • Aries144

    After getting burned on the POS ARX100, Beretta won’t be getting a second chance from me. Beretta USA has some serious ethics problems.

  • Leo

    it is about two years since it is anounced and no singel pistol in stores is available, what is the point of this commercials if you can’t buy one. I am still waiting for 92A3 …

  • bmstylee

    It’s like a Ruger American pistol but uglier. But if it’s inexpensive and reliable I would look at it as a gun for my detached garage or my basement workshop.

  • Colonel K

    Thank God Beretta once again saves the day by introduction their take on Glock. Now if only they’d make a 1911 clone – oh, and an AR, of course. The world just can’t get enough repetition of proven designs.

  • twr

    If the trigger approaches the ppq, it’s reasonable priced, and they would, oh I don’t know, maybe try and sell the the thing, I would buy it.

  • L Cavendish

    I want it…gray or black…some extra mags…
    should be cheap since nobody else seems to want it…LOL

  • Tom

    I’m a complete newbie, but have been researching striker fired pistols such as the H&K VP9, the Sig P320, and the Glock. As for looks I think the Beretta is great looking, but do looks really matter? From my newbie standpoint utility is king, and if it also looks good then great! I also like the Beretta because of the customizability of the grip. I guess how it shoots is the ultimate test of utility. Not much, if any information out there yet though.