Does Remington Have the Best Striker Fired Trigger at SHOT Show? | SHOT 17

Recently, it has become a priority for manufacturers of new striker-fired pistols to furnish their offerings with triggers they perceive as “better” than the competition (generally meaning Glock, the still-reigning heavyweight champion of the striker-fired world). The problem with many of these efforts, in the eyes of this humble blogger, is that they prioritize only the weight of the trigger and not its other characteristics, like overtravel, reset, and especially creep. In many cases, these triggers feel little or no different than the familiar creepy, spongy trigger of a Glock, with the exception of the poundage they put out. While this might be some kind of advantage for a square range competition gun, to me it’s actually a minor detriment to a carry piece: The trigger has not actually been made better, but due to its lower poundage it has arguably been made less safe.

That is of course debatable, but it sets the stage for me to ask “what is the best striker-fired trigger on the market right now?” Depending on who you are, the answer to this question may vary, but I was surprised to find a very real contender (at least for me) at the Remington booth on the first day of the 2017 SHOT Show in the form of their brand new RP9 handgun. This is in many ways simply Remington’s horseman in the Aglockalypse, but it brings three major items to the table to differentiate itself to the consumer. The first is that trigger: A low-creep (not creep-free), 5.5-7lb trigger that for me represents one of the better striker triggers for a carry/duty gun on the market.

The second is Remington’s chassis system. Like the SIG P320, the RP9 uses a pinned serialized frame inside of a polymer grip, allowing swappable grip units. However, Remington took this idea a step further by unifying the frame standards for the 9mm and future .45 ACP variants, meaning that a customer could take a full-size RP9 and swap grips and slide-barrel assemblies and end up with a compact .45 ACP model, all on the same serial number.

The third and certainly most important selling point for the RP9 is its price: $489 MSRP, with examples of the (already shipping!) RP9 selling for under $400 on GunBroker right now. Needless to say, that is an extremely competitive price for a brand new striker fired pistol from a major manufacturer, let alone one with the Remington’s feature set.

So, will Remington redeem themselves with the RP9? It’s too early to tell, but the folks at Remington sounded steeled and determined to bring the company out of its recent troubles and back into the consumer’s good graces. Will they succeed? That is for you to decide.



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He is also the author of the original web serial Heartblood, which is being updated and edited regularly. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Giolli Joker

    Hey! I’m happy to see an article from Nathaniel… it’s been a while.

    • somethingclever

      And a contrarian one at that.

  • Geoff Timm

    So how soon will the first Kaboom be reported? Geoff Who watches carefully.

    • Anonymoose

      *Geoff Who Likes His Hands the Way They Are

      • plumber576

        “I’m a hand model, mama. A finger jockey. We think differently than the face and body boys… we’re a different breed.”
        I think our buddy Geoff was in that Zoolander documentary.

  • Tim

    It’s gonna take A LOT to redeem Remington.

    • Billy Jack

      But the big R on the grip sure is handsome! Halfway to redemption.

      • AC97

        Please be sarcasm…

        • Billy Jack

          C’mon man. That gun wouldn’t be cool in 1980. They made it look like a ten year old’s underwear in 1953. A bunch of initials all over it. They found a way to make slide grip lines look stupid. It looks like Merlin turned some knock off tennis shoes into a pistol. It looks like it was made by a bankrupt company from Alabama. It makes hi points look cool. I could see myself pulling that on an intruder and getting laughed at.
          It looks goofy. I can’t imagine anyone who designed it that doesn’t pay for happy endings and isn’t saving up for a mail order bride. A 70yr old with no taste approved that design. Or maybe a homeless man from Southeast Asia.

          • Nicks87

            Damn that’s brutal! I don’t necessarily agree but I wont be buying one either.

          • Billy Jack

            It’s a hot mess aesthetically. You can’t see a young 25-45 year old designing that. It’s fugly. Even if the trigger is the most awesome in the world the superficial are going to walk on by. It’s a Penthouse spread of Rosie O’Donnell.
            You’re a Remington exec and you’re comparing it to a Glock and a PPQ. Do you tell yourself that your product is sweetest? I’d guess they don’t use focus groups or have any marketing folks giving R&D feedback. It’s bad enough everyone is just cloning one another. They’re just taking unimaginative to new lows. They’re making Colt look savvy.

    • Just say’n

      #betatester

  • Bigbigpoopi

    I thought the PPQ was king.

    • Minuteman

      Nope.

      Overall I’d say the benchmark of common caliber hand guns that are good to go right out the gate without any need for after market upgrades, trigger mod work etc breaks down as follows:

      9mm polymer frame stiker fired: CZ P10C
      9mm polymer frame DA/SA: Beretta PX4 Storm
      9mm alloy/steel frame DA/SA: LH9N MKII
      .45ACP alloy/steel frame: Wilson Combat Protector/Tactical LE/Elite etc
      I’d love to add the USP 45 as the polymer DA/SA 45, but as it “needs” the LEM upgrade it doesn’t meet the criteria for good to go right out the gate.

      • RSG

        I’d say it’s way too premature to label the new CZ king of the hill. I’m not convinced just because a few folks got to handle a few pre production and early production firearms. Let’s see some consistency, over at least 12 months, once regular folks get them in the wild.

        Also, they have not been trouble free, overall, but the VP9 has one of, if not the best, striker fired triggers out there, fwiw.

        • Emfourty Gasmask

          It’s a CZ. It will be fine now, and it will be just as fine 12 months from now.

          • Minuteman

            They really have a winner alright.

        • Minuteman

          The VP9 is not as reliable under adverse conditions as the PPQ though. Let’s settle for now that the PPQ is king, until the P10C will eventually take over that seat at the table. As for the alloy/steel pistols I mentioned, I will not in a million years change my position.

        • Minuteman

          Sootch00 points out the differences and similarities between the P10C, PPQ and VP9 very well. I don’t care for polymer framed striker fired hand guns myself (no pun intended), but if I had to choose one I’d go for the P10C.

    • Harry’s Holsters

      PPQ has a slight amount of creep and obtains It’s heavy pull weight with a heavy take-up. This makes the first stage of the pull heavier than the second which I personally don’t like. Most of these triggers have a surprising amount of creep when people take their time with the trigger.

      It’s hard to beat a Gen 3 stock glock trigger in the striker fired world.

    • USMC03Vet

      Did you read the article? Hair trigger == best trigger

  • ShootCommEverywhere

    The P320 is convertible between .45 and smaller calibers in the exact same manner as the R9, same FCU with the same serial number with a different frame, slide, and barrel. I think the guys at the Remington booth took you for a ride.

    I’d also be pretty surprised if this trigger beats out the stock P320 trigger. Have you tried both to provide a comparison?

    • Rob

      The Sig p320 in 45 can not be configured into a 9mm, 40sw or 357sig gun.

    • The 320 cannot be converted from 9 to .45 and vice versa.

      I’ve tried the 320’s trigger. It’s a thing.

      • Billy Jack

        Any 320 firing control unit, which is the firearm, can be placed into any 320/250 frame of any caliber from sub compact to full size and matched with any slide & barrel that is matched to that frame caliber. 40/357sig/9 share the same frame size. 45 slide assemblies only fit 45 frames but those aren’t the FCU. The FCU from a .22 can go into a 45 frame with a .45 slide/barrel assembly and .45 magazine. Same goes for the P250.

        You could buy a FCU on gun broker, an Xchange kit for a .45 on Sig’s site and a .45 frame on midwayusa and assemble it and it will work. You can’t use .45 components with other calibers except for the FCU which is the serialized gun.

        • Rob

          You will be sorely disappointed if you try to put a 45 kit on a 9mm FCU and then wonder why the mags don’t fit. Sig added a tab on the 9mm/40/357 FCU specifically to prevent this from happening. You can get it to “work” the other way around but the ejector is not ideal and certain safety features do not work correctly. It might work as a range toy but not something you I would recommend for carry. Therefore I wouldn’t say that they are compatible.

          • Billy Jack

            Wow. Just looked at sigtalk since this is contrary to everything I’ve read and seen and experienced albeit with the .22 fcu and the 9/.40/.357sig bundled fcu on 250’s and 320. Nothing in included documentation saying the FCU are different. Just read someone saying the .45 trigger on the 320 fcu is totally different. Wtf apologies to Nathaniel.
            Trying to figure out if this is me assuming they’d work based on the others. Is this 320 and 250 or just 320?

      • noob

        how does this compare to the new chassis construction striker handgun at Shot with a linear 1911 style trigger – the Hudson H9?

    • noob

      I’m curious if anyone will make a carbine kit for the new wave of chassis construction handguns. It could have the convenience of a mechtech kit for glock/1911 but look a lot more handsome.

  • xebat

    Shoot 1000 rounds trough this gun and the PPQ and make them go trough a mud, water and sand torture test, then we can talk

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Seeing as the cloned the PPQ and made it modular. It should be alright.

      Remington’s better guns, all clones. RemDefense ARs, VersaMax, This, the 700 and 870 were from entirely different companies and current day Rem is pretty much just cloning themselves.

  • Bill

    I want this to work. Remington has such a both deservedly and undeservedly bad reputation, the inter web exaggerating everything by a factor of 14 trillion, that they are due for a hit. I hope enough people have the stones to give it a try, though I’m bored poopless by the glut of striker-fired pistols on the market.

  • DW

    The actual question: RP9 or RIP9

  • MPWS

    Look at that ludicrously tiny amount of rail to slide engagement. The rail-trigger bar in one is made from exceedingly thick material to be bend at smaller radius. This is apparently where “trigger feel” comes from.

  • JoshCalle

    I think this is a smart move on Remington’s part. They’re not trying to innovate, they’re not treading new ground, they’re just making a knockoff Glock like everybody else to make money and build public goodwill.

  • DTC99

    How does the trigger compare to the new CZ P10c (which is supposed to have a better trigger than the PPQ)?

    • Minuteman

      CZ vs Remington, that’s a no brainer.

    • Haven’t gotten to CZ yet, so we’ll see. If I like the P10’s better, then we could see a fun title there, too.

    • Gregory Markle

      The CZ trigger was much better IMHO, much shorter reset than the RP9. The Hudson H9 trigger is unreal for a striker system and feels like a tuned competition gun, but you’re also talking about a pistol that’s twice the price of either the CZ or Remington.

  • olivehead

    I handled one of these last night at Academy ($399.99) and have to say it’s not bad at all. Sleeker and more ergonomic than the Ruger American and a decent trigger, but one that I would actually call a bit “spongy” vs. the Glock trigger. Definitely better than the RAP trigger. I’ve said before and will say again, when comparing striker-fired triggers, I just don’t get the Glock criticism; I think it’s one of the best on the market right out of the box, and easily customizable by the end user on top of that. Otherwise, the RP9 I handled was well finished and much more in line size-wise with its competitors (in pictures I find it looks more akin in terms of size to an FNX-45, but it’s not at all in person). My only real aesthetic complaint: lose the big “R” on the grip. It’s no “Grip Zone” but still unnecessary.

    • Harry’s Holsters

      I’ll agree with you that the glock Gen 3 trigger is great. No creep from the reset on the last 3 I’ve handled. It’s a solid trigger. Heavy yes but good.

      The Gen 4s I’ve handled have some creep.

    • Billy Jack

      If my name was Robert or Roy or Roger…naaah still wouldn’t. More dated than a calendar

  • Stephen Paraski

    You say Remington and Triggers in same sentence and I think of the hundreds of millions they have paid out from defective trigger sear design.

  • st381183

    Now that was a good write up with solid points that were well thought out. That’s how I would have done the M&P M2.0 write up, seeings how you asked me in the other thread. Nice pics too. An insightful look at a pistol I didnt know existed.

  • Bigg Bunyon

    “Best striker fired” is Remcode for “The best of the worst”. The only striker fired pistol I own that I’d call really good is my FNS-40. But if you’re going to compared “good” triggers (not “good” within a class) I’ll just go with my Novak tuned guns: 1911s and BHPs. If you can get an old line BHP gunsmith, its trigger can be pushed to the top of the heap. But these are not $600 guns so maybe they need to be excluded. I guess there’s a reason to don’t compare a Big Mac to a Filet Mignon.

  • Threethreeight

    Hard pass. I’d rather buy from Czechs, Germans, or Austrians that know what they’re doing than risk buying what the American clowns at Remington are hobbling together.

    • No one

      “American Clowns”

      Lol yes, I mean, since when have American designers ever made good and highly successful firearm models?

      • Threethreeight

        About 160 years ago if we’re counting.

        • No one

          I didn’t realize the AR series, probably one of the, if not the most widely used infantry and sporting rifles in the world and the rifle that changed the paradigms of modern infantry combat forever with the lightweight SCHV concept that, the Maxim machine gun (Maxim was born in America and a US citizen, he was a visitor to the UK at the time he made the Maxim) which is arguably the most important development in modern firearms ever, Pretty much all of Joun Browning’s designs, were all made over 160 years ago.

          Thanks for clarifying you don’t understand the concept of time.

          • Threethreeight

            Oh you mean the stoner designed the Belgians make for the US because colt isn’t competitive? Or the SCARs/416s/417s in service around the world? Or the glocks in every holster of the dudes who shoot people for a living?

            You’re missing the point entirely pal.

          • No one

            Colt still does make ARs for the military alongside FN there smart one, I guess being contracted to make clones = Belgians invented it And even if they didn’t that wouldn’t change the fact the US invented the rifle design that basically changed the entire paradigm of military standard issue rifles the world over. Also, I love how you’re so oblivious on this that you list the HK416 and HK417 on your list of German wunderguns, guess what? those are straight out rip offs of the AR-15 with a short stroke piston on them instead of DI which is arguably worse in many ways (and they weren’t even the first to try it for that matter), those Germans sure are innovative ripping off an inferior American design like that!

            So, now that you failed horribly on the above, what’s your excuse for how an American invented the machine gun as we know it, (whose son also made the first silencer) and the vast amount of designs that originate from John Browning floating around? (Including how the Glock itself uses a modified version of an action Browning invented?)

            You never had a point, you never had anything in the first place, because you’re completely wrong on pretty much everything you’ve written so far.

          • Threethreeight

            That companies like Remington and colt are out of touch? That Remington manufacturing and QC are garbage? That Europeans manufacture superior firearms than the majority of what has the Bruce Springsteen made-in-america stamp of approval? All still totally valid in the face of your autistic tirade. I refuse to patronize company like Remington and its parent company who couldn’t give a damn about you or their products because of some delusional patriotic pigeonhole. Enjoy your Remington RP9. See you when the recall hits.

          • No one

            And here I play pigeon chess with an imbecile who’s mad because he lost an argument.

            Also, love it how ehn Europeans claim how much better they are then everyone or making statements like “That Europeans manufacture superior firearms than the majority of what
            has the Bruce Springsteen made-in-america stamp of approval?” (which they don’t by the way with a few exceptions, cry about it all you want but you’d still be wrong.) Isn’t blind patriotism or nationalism, but me pointing out your nationalist garbage somehow is, amazing logic there champ.

            I wasn’t even defending Remington in general, but considering you seem to have serious reading comprehension issues, I guess that eluded you.

          • Threethreeight

            Then who are you defending? The entire topic of this post and discussion is regarding the Remington pistol, a company who, if you recall, recalled the entire line of “revolutionary” pistols that were less reliable than the guns they were based upon. What logical leaps am I making here? What fallacy have I committed?

            Also an addendum; American as they come, but I don’t buy garbage. Neither should you.

          • No one

            The part where I was talking about you line of “American clowns” in general which was one of your exact quotes that you failed to refute when I destroyed you on it and are now backpedaling on it at the speed of light?.

            But hey, I just buy from the best regardless of location, if I wanted to buy overrated, over priced garbage, I’d buy from H&K or Sig Sauer, let me know when Europe can design a rifle actually better then a 50s-60s era design

            Let me know when Europe’s “best” automatic rifle isn’t a straight inferior ripoff of a 50s-60s era American design with an SSP slapped on and you can talk about how much better European gun designers are.

            Once again, you’re probably the biggest nationalist in this thread, yet crying so much about nationalism, you’re basically cognitive dissonance incarnate.

  • Rob

    Betteridge’s law of headlines is one name for an adage that states: “Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.” It is named after Ian Betteridge, a British technology journalist.

    Having handled the RP9 I can very easily state that this holds true in this case. No, Remington does not have the best striker fired trigger at SHOT.

    Also, Having handled multiple production pistols I can report that there is enough flex in the right side slide release that you can not use it to drop the slide. It flexes to the point where it sits against the frame and it does not put enough pressure on the opposing side to drop the slide. This was exhibited by ALL pistols handled and appears to be a lack of attention to detail by Remington.

  • valorius

    No modern striker fired pistol comes even close to the trigger pull of a bone stock HK P7 of 1980s vintage.

  • Meatpants

    They definitely have the ugliest striker fired hand gun……

  • RSG

    The biggest problem for the RP9? The “R” stands for Remington. That’s a no fly zone for me.

  • Mark

    If people think the M&P is bad this thing is horrible. The trigger is spongy, there is no reset and over travel for days. Just another flop for Remington’s pistol line IMO.

  • Beju

    Again, my thoughts on this are the same as dealing with a knife wielding attacker while we’re unarmed: you go first.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    extremely competitive price for a brand new striker fired pistol from a major manufacturer, let alone one with the Remington’s feature set.

    Um… what is “Remington’s feature set”?

    It’ll have recalls? It’ll fire when you don’t want it to? It’ll be cheaply made? They won’t support it with parts despite their own claims? It’ll have a ton of paid positive reviews before people realize it’s garbage?

  • USMC03Vet

    As long as the trigger is consistent the debate is irrelevant. We like to wax poetic about triggers, but in reality it doesn’t equate to better accuracy and is instead largely a personal muscle memory factor.

    I have to agree though that just because a trigger is a hair trigger doesn’t equate to it being superior over one that requires marginal more amount of pressure.

  • Billy Jack

    Anyone familiar with ProWings? Tell me it’s not a ProWings Glock. Even has the 3 stripes on it but it’s not Adidas.

  • Shaun Connery Oliver II

    So how many of you want to count the Hudson H9’s trigger? I think that is among the best if not the best, I mean it is a 1911 based design with an integral safety. Unless I am wrong to say so.

  • JSmath

    But have you shot the Hudson, Nathan?

  • A bearded being from beyond ti

    That is probably one of the ugliest polymer framed handguns i’ve seen.

  • A Fascist Corgi

    The new CZ P-10 C has by far the best striker fired trigger that I’ve tried. I’d be pretty surprised if this hideous looking Remington pistol was better.

  • T Rex

    No, the Sig P320 far and away has the best factory trigger in striker fired pistol.

    • No one

      The SIG P320 has one of the worst triggers of any striker fired pistols I’ve ever used.

      Is this a joke?

  • Simpsons did it

    “However, Remington took this idea a step further by unifying the frame standards for the 9mm and future .45 ACP variants, meaning that a customer could take a full-size RP9 and swap grips and slide-barrel assemblies and end up with a compact .45 ACP model, all on the same serial number.”

    That is not a step further. That is the exact same as I have done with my Sig for a while.
    I would expect an industry expert to know this sort of thing before making a claim that sounds like so much marketing.

  • Edeco

    Eugh, that slide-plate area is rough looking, raw metal rails right there o.O

  • Banana Xango

    Remington doesn’t have the best anything.

  • Joshua

    I hope they make it work, but even if they do something tells me that the internet will make them suck regardless of how good they are

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Well the RM380 is a very fine firearm; zero issues in over a year of ownership and approximately 400 rounds.