What Do You Want To See From SHOT 2017?

Dear Readers,

Once again, the time is upon us to head out to the Sands Expo in Las Vegas so that we can slog through the endless lanes filled with guns, gear, and schwag. We do this for you the readers, to bring you news of the upcoming highlights for the next year from the gun industry.

Last year we did this same post and it was very helpful to hear about the topics that you are interested in, and if there are any questions we can answer for you. Again, I’m going to compile your requests from the comments into some of my punch list.

Like every year, we should have pretty good coverage (though we will obviously not be able to cover 100% of the show). And we even get some extra time at Range Day to get even MOAR coverage.

My personal focus this year is going to be around precision long range, and anything that supports that. I will also be focusing on training tools, from dry-fire to live-fire.

I do already have a few interviews set up, but will pick as many of your requested topics as I can to fill in gaps in my schedule.

You can get an idea for who is going to be at SHOT by checking out their website (http://shotshow.org/) under the “Exhibitors” section.

What do YOU want to see from SHOT?  I will also consider requests to NOT cover certain things (“Please, Tom, DO NOT cover XYZ, no one wants to see another post about it ever.”). If you request me to cover anything in Flat Dark Earth (or Sniper Gray, or really anything recycled to have a “hawt” new color) I will ask Phil to ban you… 🙂

I will compile my list on Sunday the 15th and work from there. After that point this post will likely be on page 122.

Thanks,
Me





Tom is a former Navy Corpsman that spent some time bumbling around the deserts of Iraq with a Marine Recon unit, kicking in tent flaps and harassing sheep. Prior to that he was a paramedic somewhere in DFW, also doing some Executive Protection work between shifts. Now that those exciting days are behind him, he has embraced his inner “Warrior Hippie” and assaults 14er in his sandals and beard, or engages in rucking adventure challenges while consuming craft beer. To fund these adventures, he writes medical software and builds websites and mobile apps. His latest venture is as one of the founders of IronSights.com; a search engine for all things gun related. He hopes that his posts will help you find solid gear that will survive whatever you can throw at it–he is known (in certain circles) for his curse…ahem, ability…to find the breaking point of anything.


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  • Swarf

    Less.

  • Brocus

    Glock Carbine!

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Single stack Glock17/19… What they SHOULD HAVE made.

  • GearHead

    Nightforce 1-6×24

  • A Guest

    Another set of AR-15s! Maybe even a few new polymer striker-fired pistol in 9mm, I’m not sure we have enough of those.

  • Joe

    New Frontier Armory’s Extar EXP9 pistol (debuted SHOT 2016).
    With a release date if possible.

  • Mutenri

    DT MDR in production
    9mm AR with CZ mags
    7.5 FK Field Pistol imported
    Wolf’s Type 91 upper imported

    • Dickie

      Double the 7.5FK

      • MrFN

        Triple. Bring on the Obese-Z

  • Jack Morris

    Thanks for asking your readers! Pistol caliber carbines would be great. Also any new CCW guns.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      I find the renewed interest in PCC to be interesting considering the success of 300blk. I get it, I own PCCs, but it’s interesting that PCCs are basically just toys now.

      • Jack Morris

        That’s the thing; I want someone to make a PCC that isn’t a toy. I want a reputable company to make an affordable lower-mag-block and upper assembly combo. I want it to be just as reliable as my Daniel Defense. And I want to see it for under $1,000. I know it’s a lot to ask, but it’s the only thing I would open my wallet for at the moment.

      • My appreciation for PCCs are to limit the number of calibers I stock without limiting gun purchases too much. After 2008 an 2012, we learned how easy ammo dries up. Stocking few calibers DEEP is wise, I believe.

        * 12/20ga. (12ga home defense, and to well, just have. 20ga for anything fun or non-home defense)
        * 22lr
        * 9mm
        * .380 (ccw – less than 1000rd)
        *.223/5.56

        (I have a mosin with one can of ammo, but will never stock more than 400rd of it, ever.)

        I’d love to have some sweet 9mm guns in PCC format. Bought a 9mm revolver at the beginning of the year!

  • yodamiles

    Desert Tech MDR
    Hudson H9

    • JumpIf NotZero

      And… making it’s third consecutive SHOT Show appearance with no actual release in sight…. the Desert Tech MDR!

      Same goes for the Crye Six12 except I can already tell you that thing is a heavy turd.

      • RSG

        DT’s excuse that it has to be “perfect first” has worn thin. They’ve lost a lot of potential customers, for good, after these delays. Vaporware.

  • gusto

    can us lefthanders get some love?

    I am getting a new .223.

    there is CZ 527 if you can find it
    Zastava m85 but practially no importers in the EU

    tikka, and rem700 but those are long or only short action, i guess ruger and the xbolt to but they are not imported, neither is savage
    the blr in 223 is nowhere in europe to find
    henrys are a possibility but the iron sights would not visable over qr mounts ):

    my dream would be for Browning to do their T-bolt in 223

    • Dickie

      No your freaks

      • gusto

        freaks that invented 50% of everything that matters, while we were just 10% of the population at best

  • gusto

    an affordable illuminted 7×42 scope with target dots for holdover

  • The ***WEIRD*** stuff.

    Every gun blog will be covering the typical – go for the stuff that is neat, odd, makes younsay ‘wtf’, or the things you know we will giggle and ridicule!

    • M.M.D.C.

      Yeah. I know they made people mad, but I liked the over the top engraved Sigs from last year or the year before. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b0fa00b33da98debb43c4da9f86e878bdfe22b39a9ddeb35e62f9f49675b010.jpg

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Whatever that bear is the shniz for press checking.

      • Hahahahaha, I just… what…. Um… That IS pretty cool, but… a lot of wow factor.

    • gusto

      there is a lever action shotguns renaissance but I guess they don’t hit the american market because you don’t have a need for them?

      • Bought a 1940’s 20ga with 5+1capacity over summer for $70USD. Best turd I ever paid cash for.

    • Doc Rader

      So much win in your list…

    • HMSLion

      Hey! I like electronic targets! Makes running statistics at a big match a whole lot faster and easier…and spectator-friendly.

    • GofGs

      Not to forget the new Janz pistol with its unusual locking system

    • RSG

      Truck gun racks fell out of fashion because of CRIME. just an FYI.

      • Just to have fun with this postulation, would we claim they fell out of fashion due to national crime levels DECREASING, or the levels of ?vehicle break-in’s, GTA, etc? INCREASING?

        • RSG

          I’m 50 years old. The world we are living in isn’t the same as the one I was born into. Long gone are the days when a 13 year old boy would carry a pocketknife to school. There doesn’t have to be any increase/decrease in crime statistics to have any effect on gun racks. The only thing that matters is the type of litigious society we live in and the perception of liability of having a firearm “on display” in your vehicle.

  • Kovacs Jeno

    Walther P22QD?

  • Joe Pine

    CZ P-10
    Hudson 9
    Savage MSR

  • Otm Shooter

    Go get a price on the Strike MP5 upper. I gotta know. SEE YOU AT THE SHOW!!!

  • Mrninjatoes

    Since you are a doing precision long range stuff, can you look at the 5-H ATLAS bipod?

    • Doc Rader

      No.

  • Maxpwr

    Assault BB Guns like the 200 shot Red Ryder Range Model Air Rifle with a Compass in the Stock and this Shoulder Thing that Goes Up.

    Seriously though, more on long range target rifles and what’s competing with the Ruger Precision Rifles, etc.

    • Rick O’Shay

      You forgot the thing which tells time.

  • Christian in KS

    I’d like to see Beretta actually do something for the civilian market.

    • gusto

      ?

      their production is probably 90% for civilians

      several models of o/u and sbs and double rifles
      from affordable like 1500dollars up to not so affordable
      semis for hunting are somehwat cheaper

      and beretta own sako/tikka to with regular bolt action rifles for hunting and target shooting

      • Christian in KS

        I guess I should be more specific. I was more referring to them maybe pumping out more M9A3’s, the PX4 carry edition, and the APX, a civilian ARX 200 would be nice too.

        • Dickie

          Yeah i cant find that pX4 compact carry model anywhere

          • GaryOlson

            Finding anything Beretta these days is a problem. After moving production lines from MD to Tennessee, they be having some production issues to work out. If you have ever moved a manufacturing production line, you’ll understand. One move I had to deal with black widows living in plumbing parts, one time is was lizards, and one time it was the pollen from the damn trees.

  • ProLiberty82

    Glock 19 sized M&P9 and more bolt rifles that take AR15/AR10 magazines.

  • QuadGMoto

    I would like to see companies that are either fixing the deficiencies of the AR platform or a practical design to replace it entirely.

    • RSG

      Silly you. That’s SHOT Show 2037. You’re early.

  • C. Roberts

    DT MDR and Hartman MH1

  • James

    DS Arms, they said they have news for this SHOT Show
    FB Radom, updates about the MSBS and Beryl AKs
    CZ USA, any info on when the Bren2 will come out for sale.
    Desert Tech MDR
    Beretta ARX 200
    Windham Weaponry, there is a rumor about them making their own ACR
    Hudson Mfg, H9
    Taurus Spectrum, picture of Ian and Karl pointing and laughing at it

    • Slim934

      Yeah I got a promo video on that H9 pistol. That thing looks neaty neat.

    • RSG

      Kalishnakov USA, too, while we are at it.

  • HMSLion

    Anything new and NOT AR/AK/1911/Glock.

    Traditional muzzle-loading. I know Pedersoli is bringing out a Whitworth rifle soon, and has a double-barreled flintlock shotgun in the works – I’ve seen the prototype.

    Olympic target shooting firearms and equipment.

  • sneelok

    What ever happened to LWRC’s SMG-45? The 45 pistol caliber carbine from SHOT 2015

    • JumpIf NotZero

      This will be SHOT Show #3 for it. If it’s ever coming out, I really doubt it will be before SHOT #4

  • kregano

    If it’s there, Strike Industries’ ambidextrous AR charging handle.

    .300 Blackout Tavor & X95, since they’re coming out in February/March (for real this time).

    MSBS (if it shows up this year).

    Jard J68, especially if it’s available for range day.

    Less AR stuff unless it’s really unique or bringing the cost way down.

  • Timothy G. Yan

    Mor 5.11 clothing! or tactical backpack, or anything developed by SEAL Team #xxxx.

    • 5.11 Tactical paracord thongs with Molle spots on the front.

  • UWOTM8

    LITHGOW ATRAX REEEEEEEEEE

  • JSIII

    Caracal and Prime Manufacturing

  • Aono

    As long as we’re dreamin’:

    Roller-locked PCCs with LRBHO. Like say… the SI upper (so close) with the Brethren Arms AR15 trigger pack lower. In 10mm best mm. Mec-Gar and/or Magpul magazines.

    Not just the MDR.. the Recoil-rumored DT MDR “DMR” version… in 24″ 6.5 Creedmoor with a Proof Research barrel.

    Mega Arms to ship Megalithic M-LOK in lengths greater than 12″, ambi bolt catch (not just release), lightened receiver sets in -15 and -10.

    LMT to finally release MLOK monolithic already.

    PRI and Lancer: MLOK.

    An Ultimax 100 derived clone that takes AR15 barrels.

    And so on. You know, unicorn poo.

    • Aono

      Well hey, Lancer with Faxon just released MLOK handguards. Noice.

      While I’m here – would also like to hear from Athlon about future Cronus (LOW) models.

  • TheNotoriousIUD
  • Rick O’Shay

    Here’s a challenge: don’t cover anything AR platform related unless it’s truly never been done before.

    I’d like to see innovative ammo (not new calibers! INNOVATIVE!).

    Please cover anything that deserves to be mocked so we can mock it.

  • John

    I’d like to see comprehensive coverage on TFB on the latest advancements and crop of thermal sights, please….

  • Vincent

    I heard that the osprey armament’s mk36h was going to be seen there.
    Mostly curious on how it disassembles

  • Jambo

    Same as last year: FB MSBS. I want this rifle. Also, anything CZ. There is almost nothing they make that I won’t buy.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      FB MSBS

      Wanted one until I held and played with it. SHOT Show should come with a massive warning:

      “You only think you want most of this.”

      • Jambo

        Do tell. What is wrong with it?

        • JumpIf NotZero

          I thought it was heavy and clunky.

          The trigger and controls were gritty and the stock was super hard to adjust like someone didn’t understand tolerances and movement/action when making the parts in their 3D CAD system.

          I was disappoint.

          • RSG

            Typical of 3D prototypes. Fwiw.

      • Rusty S.

        I respectfully disagree.

  • Blake

    I would honestly love if you guys snapped a photo of every booth that has even semi-interesting items in it (or better yet their product lineup sheet) and just put them all in one post maybe. It would be nice to see a bigass list of a lot of stuff that maybe didn’t warrant a full post by itself.

  • LuvMusic

    New wheel guns, especially from Colt and S&W!

    • RSG

      Agreed. Get hands on the Cobra and find out if it’s a trial balloon for more snake guns.

  • john huscio

    Gen 5 glocks

  • Toxie

    Reloading Stuff.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      Can I upvote that more than once?

  • Bub

    Sig P320 X-5

  • Edeco

    Info about whether any of these might happen:

    -GP100 or Smith L-frame in 41 magnum
    -454 Blackhawk w/ 7.5-9″ hose
    -R51 in 40 or 357 Sig
    -Buckmark 7.5″ threaded w/ rails on top & bottom of barrel (yep, I got some mall-ninj-ing to do)
    -G17L MOS, threaded 6.5″ hose
    -Kel Tec RDB in 7.62×51
    -28″ barrel factory magnum rifles (factories tend to go 26 or less)

    • Paul White

      GP100 in 41 magnum? Ooh, I want. 4,5 or 6″, so much.

  • I want to know more about veteran owned startups with a CNC machine selling doodads with a black anodized finish.

    • RSG

      Would you rather they be homeless, or worse? Some of these guys are alive, only because they got involved in the firearms business. Sometimes, that’s not even enough.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    I really want to see a new Milspec AR15.

    No but seriously the only thing I really want to see is a 10mm P320.

  • David

    I would like to see the Hudson H9

  • Slim934

    The Wolf Ammo Type 91 Upper Receiver they’re planning to import. Lots and lots of pictures and an eta on release and msrp. Please.

  • Lance

    Retro ARs all things AK.

  • An Aimpoint competitor to the Trijicon MRO. You know, something the size of the Aimpoint Micro, but actually less than $500.

  • Adam in DC

    James did a video on the Ares SCR a while back. The company has since changed their name to Fightlite Industries, another story TFB covered. However, the SCR has been backordered for over 6 months now, if not longer. You hyped a product that isn’t even available! If you see them, try to find out when they will be back on the market for the many people who want/need an SCR because they live in restricted states. Their marketing has been terrible in communicating when supply will be back online.

    • Aono

      Atfermarket trigger partnerships for the SCR. Like Elftmnann or Timney.

  • Keiichi

    Kel Tec RDB Survival:
    When?
    Will I be able to find one at my local FFL?

    Pretty please?

  • Tma

    And if possible some info about new hunting guns would be cool too. And i dont mean like “you can hunt with an AR15” type of things. There is just so many channels and magazines showing all the new black rifles that it allmost gets boring.

  • Fishermen

    Trijicon 1-8
    Volquartsen carbon 17 wsm
    See if nf plans a ffp or illuminated 3-10 shv

    Kick vortex in the shins for updating the pst but making it twice as heavy.
    Get me info on what leupold’s engineers were smoking when they designed the lrp turret.

  • Henry Reed

    KAC please.

  • Remember the zombie stuff? Seemed like every company had to have a zombie themed product. Why no love for vampires, or werewolves, or democrats?

    • RSG

      Barrett loves Democrats. That’s why he invented his man portable, semi auto 50BMG

  • Standard Velocity

    Traditional anything.

    Guns with wood stocks (an 1885 revival from Browning or Winchester would be nice), new bolt actions intended for hunting rather than long range/tactical, revolvers, shotguns for bird hunting, etc.

    • RSG

      Lmao.

  • Same old song

    CZ p10c(also, ask them about other pistols in this line(full-size, single-stack, maybe something like the glock 42)
    Trijicon 1-8×28 scope
    Any 1-10x scope
    Radom MSBS (both in 762 or 556)
    xm556 microgun(aeroknox)
    d12 shotgun(aeroknox)
    glock 5th generation(?)
    Any inovative holster

    • RSG

      Agreed. Would like to know if CZ will produce a single stack, subcompact CZ P10sc.

  • E O Hater

    Any and all things PD10, this is the type of pistol I have been wanting for a long time!

  • Rusty S.

    Please check on the Milkor Hydra. Also the possibility of tikka/sako single set triggers coming to the US.

  • kyle

    What about that new Russian PL-14 pistol? Or the SIG p210 that was supposed to be released in 2016?

  • Gary Kirk

    “If you ask for anything in FDE…., I will ask Phil to ban you” Greatness.. But, what else do you expect from a corpsman.. Semper Fi brother

  • CharlesH

    Modern reproductions of old firearms, especially WW1-2 guns and any new guns from small manufacturers like that SKELI X-11 that was posted a few weeks ago.

  • B. Young

    1.The new SilencerCo Maxim 9, well “new” as in was supposed to be for sale by now.
    2.Any weird folding type handguns or longguns that will probably never be produced.
    3.New unique AOW’s. always interesting, pen guns and such…
    4.Oh yea, any NEW tiny guns, if any (like the NAA .22 short revolvers)
    5.Like someone else said “anything we can make fun of” (but then realize I secretly want one but they will never make it anyway so no harm done)

  • QuadGMoto

    It looks much better in person, especially in black. I really like the simplicity of the design. But reliability needs some work.

  • GaryOlson

    Any illuminated optic or laser which does NOT use the color red. Many white males of European descent are red/green color blind. And I think most of us are interested in firearms also (personal poll of one person: me). We see multiple red dots where only one exists. Greens can be grey depending on the wavelength or polarization of the glass.

    Or skinny women in yoga pants with guns.

  • Austin Lebo

    could you please cover any info you can on the desert tech mdr? I’ve had a pre-order on this product for more than a year and am beginning to lose faith, with the delays, price hike, and now the delay of the 5.56 version and push for the .308 model.

  • Corey Sledd

    Cz Bren 2
    Bergara B14 hmr
    Beretta sticker fired pistol
    New 5.56/223 and 9mm ammo
    Wolf type 91 upper
    New traditionally rifles from Winchester and Browning.
    Any weird new stuff really.

  • Shaun Connery Oliver II

    I like to see the Mk 36 from Osprey Armament. I think that gun is going to be an excellent hog hunter and a great DMR.

  • Giolli Joker

    Stuff from small companies.
    Hudson H9

  • jay

    How about PCP air rifles? Kral Arms, a Turkish manufacturer would be an interesting booth to check out.

  • DW

    Anything as long as James is covering it… in tight shirts.

    Beat ya to it comrade Ike!

  • RSG

    Can you please see the folks at Savage and ask them to consider a side charger in 556 (not just 308) for their new AR line? Would love to know what you think of those rifles. Thanks!!!! Have a great time there.

  • Samantha J

    I think others have said, maybe a little sarcastically…
    If someone is introducing a “new” AR pattern rifle it would be really interesting to interview them and ask “Why on Earth?” Same for yet another striker fired 9mm handgun that uses a Browning style lock-up.

    Conversely something innovative that ISN’T based on the AR platform (or AK) would be interesting.

    There are a few out there working hard to try to recreate some classic historic pieces. That is really how Springfield started out. HMGs troubled STG project? Anything else like that that people can actually BUY without choosing between that and a car $$$?

    I think the “everything tactical” fad is fading a bit thankfully.
    I see FLIR bringing true thermal to a price point that people can afford without a military budget. That is cool. Any other breakthroughs in night vision or electronics that actually enhance rather than are just gimmicks?

  • Jose

    Rex Firearms AKB-15
    AK Alfa and Vitnaz clone
    Alien Armor Railguard
    Hera Arms Thumbhole stock and curved pistol grip kit
    new ACR type rifles
    Polish Beryl rifles
    9mm MP40 semi-auto, from GSG and ATI
    More AK type rifles
    Status of the HMG Sturmgewehr

  • Blake

    Thermal optics
    Shotguns and accessories
    Cool ammo

  • Hensley Beuron Garlington

    Desert Tech MDR OSS suppressor package
    Crye Precision Six12 Salvo’d package
    Bond Arms Bullpup pistol