LAR-47 On An AK47 Book and Other Errors

Original post from January 2017

Fellow TFB Contributor Tim Yan pointed this out on Facebook. The cover of Guns & Ammo’s Guide To AK-47s has two rifles on it but they are not AK47s. It is a Rock River LAR-47. Why does it not have a rear sight? I can’t believe the editors would make such a mistake. Although perhaps they sold the cover to Rock River.

Update Phil Note:

When this was posted we all thought putting a photo of a LAR-47 on a book about AK’s was more than a little strange. Some may argue it’s sorta AK-ish but the photo is far from a true and accurate representation of what everyone looks at as an AK.

This instance went from silly to a lot more serious at least for Eric Poole. For those who may not know Eric Poole is a gun writer, editor in the firearms industry. Eric called me the other day and told me the story about this book and it’s errors. The thing is Eric didn’t write an introduction as the front of the book says. In fact he doesn’t have anything to do with this publication. I know Eric doesn’t want anything about this book associated with him considering the cover and someone using his name as having written the introduction. Makes you wonder about how correct the rest is.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • MrBrassporkchop

    Guns and ammo is fake news. Only trust TFB.

    • Anonymoose

      And TTAG and ENDO.

      • plumber576

        Or just ENDO.
        #justsayin

      • USMC03Vet

        TTAG is my go to source when I want to read SHTF fantasy articles from fake navy seals and horribly factually incorrect information from Dean Weingarten.

        • Jake

          TTAG comment section leaves a lot to be desired as well

    • mandndn

      Or your MUM

  • Kent

    Stuff like this is why I dropped my subscription… back in 1983! They became, shall we say, ‘ethically challenged’, back then, and it has only gotten worse and worse since.

  • James Reeves
  • Vhyrus

    I wonder if the bullets are loaded the right way at least.

  • Johnsmyname

    Wow, just wow. It’s amazing that these “gun” companies are so large that they have people who could allow this to happen. I can sort of understand the graphic designer level, but editors and marketing managers?? At what level up the approval chain does somebody really not know their ass from their elbow…

    • Jake

      the real question is whether these professionals make more money than me doing a dream job

      • Johnsmyname

        I don’t know what you do, but unfortunately the answer is probably yes 🙁

  • Mmmtacos

    You know what? I’m gonna pass on this “comprehensive guide” something tells me they just don’t quite know what the hell they’re talking about.

  • Dougscamo

    Hey…let’s not hate…this could be a subliminal message after all….

  • Ax

    My oh my… has there been any comment from G&A yet? Maybe they thought it was funny.

    • TVOrZ6dw

      Comment from G&A? They probably don’t understand what everybody is talking about…

  • Disarmed in CA

    Rear sights? Who needs rear sights? Is there a gun training academy named “Rear Sight!” ? Of course not. Because AR 47!

    • Anonymoose

      Nah, I think it’s just the pictures from the RRA website, and they don’t ship them with a rear sight unless you order a rear sight, since most AR guys will put a scope on there as soon as they get it anyway.

  • Julio

    I strongly suspect they are there deliberately. The LAR-47 stretches the definition of an AK-47 as far -and perhaps even further- than its possible to go, but it still relates directly to design features of the AK-47. As this post has shown, the cover provokes a double-take and stimulates discussion. In short TFB has been trolled by G&A!

    • Cymond

      The only part of the LAR-47 that can be considered am AK-47 is the magazine.

      • Julio

        Not the calibre? Or the fact that the LAR-47 would not exist if the AK-47 were not such an influential design? I know this is splitting hairs, but I think that’s G&A’s point. What -exactly- makes an AK? and at what point does the use of the “AK” or “47” tag cease to be appropriate? It does seem that G&A is being too smart for their audience, though, and that’s usually a mistake. (Note to self.)

        • John Idleness

          You’re flogging a dead horse here. LAR-47 is an AR chambered for 7.62×39, which accepts AK magazines. However you want to “strech AK”, this is way off. Accepting anything with banana magazine to be AK – that would be more appropriate for anti-2A crowd rather than for a gun lovers-magazine. Classifying guns acording to their looks – I wonder where have I seen that…?!

        • Cymond

          I’m not sure where the line is, but I’m pretty sure that a Stoner based design is not a Kalashnikov anymore. The Norinco SKS-M is closer to being an AK. The VZ-58 is closer to being an AK.

          They would have been better off with a Galil, Beryl, 308 Molot, or Saiga 12.

          • John Idleness

            Basically anything with piston and a bit of overbuild is closer 🙂

          • Bradley

            The method of attaching the magazine is about the only thing that would make a vz58 more similar to an AK than an ar15 is. Other than that no aspect of the weapon is even similar in design or function to a kalashnikov .

          • Cymond

            The both have gas pistons over the barrel, and recoil springs inside the receiver. They both have the bolt handle directly on the bolt, and their handguards are sorta similar. Their sights are similar. They were also designed around the same time period.

            So yeah, they’re wildly different, but a VZ-58 and AK are closer than a LAR-47 and AK.

          • Bradley

            The vz is striker fired while the other two are hammer fired. The vz uses a locking block while the other two have rotating bolts. The vz has an open top bolt carrier while the other two use an ejection port. I suppose it depends on how you want to compair. My point is the vz and AK have no more in common than almost any other two rifle chosen at random. I just never understood why they are compared so often. They are even outright referred to as an “AK derivative” by a lot of people. Interesting fact if you didnt already know, the vz58 was modeled loosely after the stg 44 and was originally designed chambered in 8mm kurtz.

          • Karel Kocourek

            The last sentence is wrong…was originally designed chambered in 7,62×45 (czech).

          • Bradley

            Correct, that was a mistake.

  • elliot

    Its ironic how we criticize when anti-gunners mix mags & clips, but here we have gun folk getting AKs and ARs mixed up

    • Jon Seaver

      “…Here we have (nominally) gun folk…”

    • Mystick

      Look who owns GnA now, though… makes total sense.

  • Gary Kirk

    See.. Dammit, I’ve always kind of wanted one of those rifles, and just about every time I get past it one shows up..

    • Big Daddy

      PSA KS47 good guns and the CMMG Mutant.

      • Gary Kirk

        The PSA maybe, mutant is a bit pricey.. Just want one that works with a broad range of AK mags.. Live in MD, or would just get an AK..

        Don’t care for them really, but, like a glock everyone should have one

        • Big Daddy

          They’re all a bit picky about mags. If they are a little dinged up you might have to sand the feed lips. But once you get it working they run and run well. Tapcos work in the mutant not the KS47. Magpul works in everything. Even AKs can be finicky. I don’t like AK47s, they are not real ones here. Unless you get a highend one, which is the price of a mutant. You can get a KS rifle or pistol for under a grand and they take almost all of the AR15 parts so you can easily customize them. What I do like is having the same manual of arms except the bolt hold open. I also have the QC10 9mm and 45 AR pistols for that reason. So many parts are interchangeable on all my guns. I even have a CMMG MK3 308 AR.

  • Don Ward

    It amuses me when Nicholas C takes it upon himself to try to correct bad firearms information.

  • Mike Lashewitz

    I wonder why I stopped getting that magazine….

  • LCON

    Just remember the HK backwards bullet. Proof positive not everyone who writes about guns or photographs guns knows $#!+ about the topic

  • Kivaari

    The money G&A received for putting those rifles on the cover must have been pretty substantial to overcome the stupid factor.

  • Shaun Connery Oliver II

    Guns and Ammo! My eyes are on fire! Why!!! Why!!!

  • BrandonAKsALot

    This might top the HK backwards cartridges. Not to mention the only AK thing in that picture is some of the crappiest magazines in production.

  • Mark Everett

    I am sure that the cover was sold to Rock River. G&A just did a cover with (yet another) Kimber 1911 clone, this one in 9mm and small, and missing the grip-safety and the 1911 style thumb safety, buy, you know, kinda looks like a 1911. The cover slug was “Hits Hard, Carries Easy” as if Kimber had figured out how to make a 9mm fired from their gun hit harder than a 9mm fired from another gun. Then there were the stoppages with various rounds which they reported but didn’t investigate. And finally, the bullets hit 5 inches high consistently, and the average grouping over all rounds is greater than 4 inches.

    So yeah, carries easy, hits hard, when you can hit it. And hard on the wallet at $650. G&A should have put a “Paid Advertisement” header on each page of the story.

  • Raoul O’Shaugnessy

    Cover was done by the same guys who did the famous HK catalog.

  • RMP52

    Guns & Ammo hasn’t been very good since about 1982.

  • Asgard928

    Someone just looked at the mags and nothing else. Fail. Where was the editor and proofer to make sure it was right? Bad quality control.

  • Cary Starke

    GOOD, Now that can’t call them Assault Rifles anymore… Armalite has been spared!

  • Colonel K

    People still read G&A?

    • Cary

      Well I look at the pics.

      • Colonel K

        Just like Playboy (well. the pre-PC version, anyway)

    • Nashvone

      I’m stunned that rag is still in print.

    • Cottersay

      Good for when you’re sitting on the crapper…

      • Colonel K

        That’s true.

  • Micky Shoham

    can anyone send me this article?

  • Great_Baldung

    Actually… these are *exactly* the AKs I’m looking for