OPINION: How Is The Outcome Of The Presidential Election Going To Affect Gun Owners?

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I won’t say who I voted for, nor are we going to talk politics. What will the outcome of the last presidential election going to change for gun owners?

Had the election gone a different path we all know that retailers wouldn’t have a thing in stock just like 2008, but what does the gun market look like now that Trump is the President-Elect? Just about any retailer worth their salt has been hoarding product in preparation of a politicly induced panic. While many of you will balk at that, think of all the gun shops and retailers that failed when they weren’t able to get things to sell in the last couple of panics.

Being in the shooting industry for my 9-5 job, I watched some of the most speculative companies buy pallets of ammo, magazines, and guns over the last year. They are so over stock that at some point in the next year they will have to move some of it. There will be such an abundance of product that I predict AR-15s, magazines, and ammunition will likely fall to record lows. As a shooter this makes me very happy, I imagine that I will be stocking up on parts, mags, and ammo.

Does this mean that we might see $400 factory ARs as the norm? PMAGS for $8.99? What about brass cased .223 for under $300 per thousand shipped? I sure as hell hope so because shooting can get expensive.

We shall see what happens in the coming months.



Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and works in the shooting sports industry. He is an avid recreational shooter and a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially handguns and the AR-15 platform. Patrick may be contacted at tfbpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • DaveP.

    Well, I just picked up a low-mileage police trade in Glock 22 with two mags for $100 less than it would have run last month so I do say that prices are coming down. Between people no longer panic-buying, people no longer stockpiling, and people selling off stuff they didn’t really want but bought “just in case”, I say they’ll come down further.
    Keep your eyes open for the good stuff and enjoy it while y’all can. folks.

    • SirOliverHumperdink

      I got a nice police trade G22 gen2 for 229 out the door this past spring. I didn’t want or need it but the price was too low to pass up.

  • SGT Fish

    a buyers market would be good for a little while. Im hoping more gun companies can get back to making guns rather than making YAAR (yet another AR)

    • Minuteman

      I think the gun market will see a boost with that regard, as my guess is ammo prices will drop and we’ll have more money for shooting and trying all kinds of new cool guns.

  • Trey Heldmann

    I agree with your assessment and have been checking online retailers to that effect since the election. No luck yet as far as crazy deals go though. I believe it’s only a matter of time, the market is so saturated right now, and in order to induce further sales price must drop to some extent.

    • Minuteman

      Ammo prices must drop significantly. I expect quite years for the military to come, at least for the Marines. Army and JSOC. So that should bring down prices for 5.56, 7.62×51 etc. The only affordable ammo right now is 9mm and 7.62×39. Trump ought to end all US foreign involvement, that way ammo prices for us civies will drop.

      • iksnilol

        Didn’t he vow to crush ISIS tho?

        • Minuteman

          That’s going to be pretty much an air power effort. We’re not sending ground troops anywhere. Had enough of that crap.

          • Rick O’Shay

            With Daesh’s proclivity for human body shields, not likely. The military’s not really gonna be on board with shooting them out from the sky.

          • Joe

            I don’t think the American people are on board with another invasion. This is the longest we’ve “been at war” in our history and people are tired of it.

          • Minuteman

            +1

          • Rick O’Shay

            We’re in the awkward spot we’re in because Obama failed to uphold his “red line” declaration out of political nicety. You know the saying, “hesitation kills?” Well, he hesitated and now it’s killing us. Trump’s not going to be able to just pull us out any more than Obama was able to just pull us out, like he promised while campaigning against McCain. Just saying “oh, we’ll switch to air support this time” shows a fundamental disconnect with what’s basically a guerrilla war.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Obama didnt start either of the wars so its not exactly fair to paint him with that brush.

          • Rick O’Shay

            He didn’t start them, but he heavily campaigned to end them.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Very true, I think he would have preferred to do so and concentrate on domestic policy.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Not to mention how long our economy can sustain it.

          • Minuteman

            Well I guess it’s back to arming, supplying, supporting and training the people on the ground then. Bottom line is that there’s just no way American lives be put in to harms way all over again.

          • Rick O’Shay

            Like how we did with the jihadis fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 80s? Right, that’s a great idea. I’m not saying we should keep doing what we’re doing. I’m saying that just unilaterally pulling all troops out and/or switching to an air campaign as a solution is a fairy tale. Feels good, full of utter s***.

          • Minuteman

            No, the other way round. I don’t care for Israel, Israel’s objections aren’t relevant in the matter. Israel always thinks about what is best for Israel and gives a hoot about everybody else -even us. So what we ought to do is support Syria against Daesh and Al Nusrah with training, equipment and supplies. The same thing as we did in the latter stages of Vietnam during Nixon’s second term. The difference is the Syrian Army stands a far better fighting chance against Daesh and Al Nusrah than the ARVN against the VC and NVA. I’m unwilling to put boots on the ground in Syria, not even JSOC. Period. There’s a reason why our Russian friends aren’t putting boots on the ground either. There already are boots on the ground in Syria (the Syrian Army) and they need to take care of it. We can switch allegiance and support them, just as the Russians are. Because as of right now we’re fighting along the wrong side.

          • Joe

            We are literally supporting both sides. The DOD and the CIA are each backing opposing forces that are fighting each other. It’s such a cluster. Scott Horton lays is out pretty comprehensively on the Tom Woods podcast episode 602.

          • Minuteman

            Exactly that. We must do away with these devide and rule Realist politics, and quit playing these filthy games. Just be clear about ones intentions. Fair and out in the open. Just side with Syria and Russia already and get this thing over with. In the mean time put pressure on the entire Arabian peninsula and warn them that if they don’t cut their crap of supporting these wacko’s, they’re next, and this time we’ll drop the big one. Im really, really fed up with radical Islam.

          • .45

            Actually, I understand if you look at the stats for drone strikes, most people they kill are innocent. So, yeah, the military is and isn’t on board with blowing human shields away…

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            And air power alone will never work.

          • Minuteman

            Read up my post@JosephGroins

        • Bill

          Yeah, he knows more about ISIS than anybody, just ask him, Unfortunately it appears that he doesn’t have a plan for doing it.

      • QuadGMoto

        Reminder: the proprietors of TFB are trying to avoid politics, which I really appreciate. You’ve been getting very political.

        • Minuteman

          If you care to read, my comments have been replies to previous comments. I didn’t start anything.

  • M.M.D.C.

    I think we can all smile contentedly at the way things have unfolded. We have a growing population of shooters, a keen awareness of 2A rights and a strong will to fight for them, a robust gun industry and we were all give a perfectly good excuse to buy a bunch of guns and ammunition.

    Oh, and thanks for not using impact in place of affect. Extra points for you.

    • Bill

      We actually had that before the election. What we don’t have now is a spectral boogeyman/woman to induce panic. Though the PE vacillates so much, and has spoken out against “assault weapons” before, I’m not sure he’s a reliable supporter of the Second Amendment. No doubt he has always had his personal phalanx of armed security that we always point out as hypocritical when politicians do it.

    • Never in my life did I think a President Emeritus of the NRA would be in a presidential cabinet. Not a fan of Priebus, but I don’t think he is terrible at all.

    • Ryfyle

      I think we need to look at the next generation and get them into shooting. We need to capitalize on a lot of modern marketing techniques.

  • Lew Siffer

    For the first time in years, I saw some .22 ammo on the shelf and did not buy it — because I have enough. I think most of us have stocked up over the past few years, and for me, it will be awhile before I need to buy ANYTHING.

    • AC97

      I wonder how many hoarders stocked up like 200,000 rounds of .22…

    • derpmaster

      My local store probably has 150,000 rounds of 22 on hand on any given day. The thing is, it isn’t cheap any more. Hopefully prices will drop but I’m not betting on it. The days of awesome 550 bulk pack Federal 22lr for $12 are probably gone forever.

      • Jim Slade

        All the guys who’ve paid $60+ a brick in the last few years are going to have to lose equity in their stash to all the new-build stuff before the price really can come down, i’m afraid.

      • Paul White

        I mean, I kidn of figure the prices I paid a decade+ ago aren’t coming back just due to inflation. I’m OK dropping 5-6 cpr on .22.

    • Joseph Goins

      Thus the problem with perpetual “panic” buying. At some point, one don’t “need” anymore.

    • 13k rd (plus whatever I have used) since 2011. I’m good.

  • Joe

    Four years of complacency isn’t good for anyone. Remember, this respite is fleeting, take advantage of depressed prices while you can.

    • Guido FL

      Think 8 years.

      Trump 2020 !

      • Major Tom

        Trump’s going to lose in 2020 to me.

        • Ryfyle

          Whys dat?

          • Major Tom

            Because I intend to run for President then. And I know I can do a much better job at it than he ever could.

            And no, I’m not a Democrat.

          • Ryfyle

            Betteh age that NFA repealed, if it’s still there.

          • Major Tom

            NFA, Gun Control Act of 1968, the 86 importation ban, all of it will be reviewed and put under scrutiny and moved against. Most if not all of them fail the constitutional test in one form or another.

            My stance on firearms ownership is anything the Army can get, you have a right to. So unless you want to start taking away the Army’s machine guns, what hope have you to convince me that taking them away from the civilians is the better safer option? You don’t.

            And I fully intend to pursue that kind of option. People shouldn’t fear their government, government should fear their people. Currently the balance of power is skewed way too much the wrong way.

    • Ryfyle

      Who’s being complacent? We need to start heading out and take down the NFA.

  • Minuteman

    I expect .223/5.56 ammo prices to drop sharply for 2 reasons: The first being less military demand due to zero involvement with foreign wars and pulling out of NATO, the second due to implementation of more gun control measures has de facto been avented with the outcome of this election. And, as a result of lasting peace with Russia -finally!!!- I also expect import bans and the sanctions to be lifted, as well as America going into isolation and focussing on adressing problems at home. The way I see it, good times are coming and gun owners will get some well deserved rest from all the political upheaval these past 8 years. What’s not to like?

    • iksnilol

      Really now?

      Opening up trade with godless communists? YOU THINK THAT’S THE WAY OF AN ISOLATED AMERICA!? … you are a disgrace.

      • Minuteman

        What communists??

        • iksnilol

          Russia and China?

          Fur fox sake, didn’t you learn anything?

          • Minuteman

            Russia isn’t the USSR, don’t be silly. Europe is way more socialist than is Russia.

      • Wolfgar

        Some of the first trade items we got from China were AK’s. Then the government banned the Chinese’s firearms and left us with all their other crap. Now we could possibly get Russian AK’s and then they will stop that and we will be left with all of Russia’s other crap. As gun owners we never learn!

    • Joseph Goins

      “The first being less military demand due to zero involvement with foreign wars and pulling out of NATO”

      #1. “Zero involvement in foreign wars” is not even true right now. It won’t be true when true when Trump becomes president because he wants to start a campaign to crush ISIS. At that point, the prices will go up because the supply will go to the military.

      #2. The US is not going to pull out of NATO. Trump never said he wanted to do so and he cannot unilaterally do that. It would require a majority of both houses of Congress and most Republicans don’t want to do that.

      “And, as a result of lasting peace with Russia -finally!!!”

      This is a pipe dream and “lasting peace” is a big stretch.

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        ^exactly^

      • Minuteman

        I ‘m pretty sure most folks are fed up with all these international organizations, foreign wars and what have you not. I don’t think Trump will commit ground troops. We’ve been down that road before. Never again please… As for relations with Russia: that’s long overdue. America needs to behave and learn to accept the interests of other great nations as well. We’ve created tons of sh*t in the world due to our aggressive foreign policy. It’s time to back down. Russia was there long before we came to play, we ought to respect them and be friends.

        • Wolfgar

          Well stated!

        • Joseph Goins

          I ‘m pretty sure most folks are fed up with all these international organizations, foreign wars and what have you not.

          #1. “Fed up” is not the same as “wanting to abolish them” as they can be reformed.

          #2. “Foreign wars” is what they want with fighting ISIS and aligning with Russia in Syria to defeat the rebels.

          “I don’t think Trump will commit ground troops. We’ve been down that road before. Never again please.”

          Congratulations! That’s the Obama policy that Trump said didn’t work. (Special operation forces are already engaged in combat and they are considered “ground troops”.)

          • Wolfgar

            Getting a coalition with Russia and Syria to wipe out ISIS would be great but the Saudi’s and Israel would never accept it. There is a lot more to this international crap than most understand. The objective was not the destruction of ISIS but the over throw of Assad.

          • ARCNA442

            Why should it matter if the Saudis and Israelis accept it? There’s nothing they could do about it – they couldn’t even fight each other without the weapons we sell them.

          • Wolfgar

            It shouldn’t but it does. They have a lot of influence with both party’s

            in our government. Both Republicans and democrats will try to stop Trump if he tries to change things. You will see it unfold if Trump tries to work with Putin.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Havent you ever heard of a thing called “surprise”?

            Dont worry, his plan is going to be so fabulous.

          • Joseph Goins

            “Fabulous” cuts both ways, my friend.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Anyone who promises quick solutions to difficult questions makes me nervous.
            Every complicated question has a simple answer.
            And that answer is always very wrong.

          • iksnilol

            He has the best plans, the biggest plans. I know it, you know it, we all know it.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Im more worried about GINA.

          • iksnilol

            Who’s GINA?

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I dont know.
            Its a big country where they eat GINESE food.

          • Minuteman

            You’re looking at it the wrong way and from a very one-sided solution. Think Liddle Hart and his concept of the indirect aproach. WE don’t need to ‘fight’ them on the ground. As I said, there already are plenty boots on the ground by means of the Syrian Army. If we support them while in the meantime putting pressure on the Arab peninsula, they’re eventually gonna bleed dry and will not be able to continue their conquest, as most of their life line comes from the Peninsula. We can do the exact same thing in Iraq to make sure Daesh loses it’s oil installations there. No need for US -nor Russian- ground troops at all.

    • Joe

      On the flip-side, there are probably millions of new AR owners in the last year that have to feed their rifles. I don’t foresee a supply bubble as much as we would like. Then the production curve will shift to the new normal after a few months.

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        Of the million new AR owners, I bet only a few thousand will even shoot 500+ rounds through those rifles in the next year.

    • Jay

      Not sure if serious…

      • Minuteman

        Care to elaborate on that empty comment a bit more? (more thinking = less posting)

    • Mr. C

      Plenty. First and foremost, NATO is integral not just to American security, but the world’s as well. Second, isolationism gets you killed. If America pulled out of global affairs, it would create a massive power vacuum, and Russia and China would love to take up that space. America, with all it’s flaws and faults, is still the best option for “world leader”. Third, peace isn’t always an option. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, concession for peace is a bad idea. So all in all, El presidente’s foreign policy needs serious overhauling, if not a complete transplant.

      • Jimmy Rustler

        Found the European free rider.
        1 WAHHH AMERICA IS A WAR MONGERING RACIST MONSTER!!
        2 WAHHH DONT STOP MAKING WAR ON MY BEHALF

        Time to pull your own weight

        • Mr. C

          I’ve never been to Europe. I was born in the US. Your comment is false.

        • Mr. C

          Secondly, even if I was European, that would be irrelevant to whether my arguement is valid or not. Ad hominem is a logical fallacy.

          • Jimmy Rustler

            stay mad

      • Minuteman

        We agree to disagree. That’s all I’m gonna say about it. You and I have diametrically opposed views on the matter. P.s. we were fine during our 19th Century isolation, so your claim doesn’t stack up.

        • Vince

          We might have been fine being somewhat isolated during the nineteenth century but we no longer live in a nineteenth century world.

          • Minuteman

            Then I guess we should start getting our act together! If Trump is a smart guy, he brings in Ron Paul. I’m an isolationist at heart, my friend. YMMV

        • iksnilol

          Just like we were fine with muskets in the 17th century. Times change, esse.

          • Minuteman

            Oh come one Iksni, that’s apples and oranges man. You know better than that. I understand that you’re scared because you’re European and all that. But you need to learn how to take care for yourself bro. We cannot do it for you guys all the time. Don’t worry, the Russians ain’t comin’. In fact they like you Scandianvians alot because you guys have tons in common. They are your friends as well as cousins by the way. If I were you I’d be more worried about Brussels cause they’re trying to suck your beautiful and clean country in to their mess.

          • iksnilol

            Foolish “comrade”, your kind has done less than nothing for me. Don’t insult me by insinuating you have. And I am not worried about Nazi bankers (or the “Swiss” as they call themselves nowadays) because neither of my countries is in EU.

            Also, who said that Russians are coming, or that they need to be coming for you to have an excuse to shoot them? Good God, I am glad you’re on your own continent or you wouldn’t survive a day.

            Digression aside, isolation always leads to things going to crap. History has proven that a long time ago. I mean, even building America demanded imported goods and labour to make the country itself.

          • Minuteman

            “Good God, I am glad you’re on your own continent or you wouldn’t survive a day.”

            Wow wow wo, stop. Just stop. What’s that suppose to mean?? Iksni my man, friend, are you actually threatening me, little brother?

          • iksnilol

            No, I am not threathening anybody. I just don’t think you’d survive if you weren’t half the world away from all the hot spots.

            Do you need a safe space due to misunderstanding my comment and feeling threathened, comrade? 🙂

          • Minuteman

            Oh ok. Don’t worry about me buddy 😉

            Nah, I’m fine Comrade. Don’t worry bro, I still love you. X

          • Minuteman

            Back to serious business now: did you just watch Rob’s vid on the latest DDI hammer forged AK? Gosh man….. -sighs- I’m really trying to embrace the AK and was soled on DDI, and now look…. Guess Galil Ace is king of the hill… I wouldn’t mind owning one of those.

          • iksnilol

            yeah, back on topic, that’s nice.

            yeeeah, dem DDI AKs, I’mma be honest man. I did not have high hopes for them. I mean, Americans make fantastic ARs, I’m pretty sure even Century couldn’t mess up an AR. But an AK? Yeah, get a parts kit and make your own receiver. Just trust me on that one. Get a decent parts kit, make a receiver, get a good quality barrel. Enjoy a good AK (that you contributed making as well :O ).

            The Galil Ace is probably good, I just feel it’s a smidge overpriced. I mean, you guys can still get Arsenals, right?

          • Minuteman

            Building my own AK sounds attractive, the problem is getting really good quality parts though. So I rather go for a Galil Ace. I mean you can’t beat IWI. Everything is within spec, no headaches, and to be honest it does actually appeal to me. Yeah Bulgarian Arsenal AK’s are there, but QC has gone down the drain unfortunately. Galil Ace seems cool and is pretty much good to go, not much after market needed (brake, trigger, recoil pad, and RS Regulate has a longer hand guard in the works). Only real down sides are the less modern barrel when compared to a DDI-spec 4150 Green Mountain, the fact that you can no longer do the classic AK reload with another mag and Circle 10 mags are no-go. But Magpul Gen 3s are fine as well. I don’t know about the price man, that’s kinda relative to me. I’m willing to pay the buck on a solid fire arm. I’m more concerned with ammo cost. A high end gun is a ‘buy once cry once’ investment. Ammo is the big cost factor in the long run.

          • Minuteman

            You know what I want man? An SG 553R with a 16″ barrel, and just be done with it.

          • iksnilol

            Back that barrel down to 10 inches or so. Slap on a scope or red dot and a suppressor and I’m all game.

          • Minuteman

            Why would you want to chop it down? 16″ is king. Mount a Comp M4S and you’re basically good to go. Swiss Arms offers a key mod hand guard as well IIRC. Surefire M600 w/LaRue qd mount, Stark Express foregrip. Cobra X sling and ALG swivels.

          • iksnilol

            for 7.62×39, 10.5 is king.

            the 553 R is the 7.62×39 version.

          • Minuteman

            Keep in mind that it is a .30 bullet and needs to pick up speed..

            Yeah I know.

          • iksnilol

            not really, you get like 5% velocity difference between 16 and 10 inch barrels for 7.62×39.

            .30 cal cartridges most often don’t need much barrel to pick up speed.

          • Minuteman

            I rather not loose too much velocity. I want to use that hard hitting, knock down fire power for a reason. 5% is negligible though, so perhaps 14,5″ is enough. I’m sure Swiss Arms know what they’re doing. I really like the SG 553R. I wonder whether it’s a stamped or milled receiver though, yet it appears to be milled if you go to the download section and check its PDF brochure.

          • Dougscamo

            Oh, S#$T….you said “knock down power” to Iksnilol….I’m leaving…..

          • iksnilol

            For an AK, 5% is negligible if you’re using it for like 300-400 meters.

            We did some science on this in ex Yu. that’s why our SMG AK has a bit longer barrel and is chambered in 7.62×39. So yeah, get the shorty, get a short can. And enjoy life.

        • ARCNA442

          Yeah, absolutely fine until the world went up in flames around us and we had to go put it out – twice.

          • Minuteman

            Those were extreme isolated incidents. All the other wars we started or fought in since ’45 were utterly futile and could have been avoided had stronger presidents been in office.

        • Mr. C

          Exactly. Back in the 1800s, we could concievably isolate ourselves from the world. Now, with modern transportation, and the ease at which people can move around the world, destabilization in any region is now a global issue, and I believe that the US is the most capable leader for now.

  • SirOliverHumperdink

    Attended the Oaks Pa show in Oct and the Split Rock show last weekend. Same prices. Dealers and distributors are in the same boat. Amazing though the sub $500 AR’s are plentiful but sub $500 (imported) AK’s are rare.

  • Major Tom

    I’m just waiting to see if this spurs renewed interest in actual innovation rather than this panic “Let’s build millions of AR-15s despite the grumbling for new!”.

    • Jim Slade

      Shoehorning every cartridge known to man into an AR chassis is beginning to bore me as well.
      I own a Tavor and i have lost track of how many times someone has walked up to me and respectfully asked if they could put a mag through it.

      • A bearded being from beyond ti

        This is probably a moronic question, or maybe im missing something, but Tavors do use AR-15 mags right? So shouldn’t it be able to take Pmags?

        • AC97

          Yes, they are in fact compatible with PMags.

          • A bearded being from beyond ti

            alright

          • Jim Slade

            Yep, my point about the Tavor was in reference to the whole innovation thing. They look so far removed from all the AR clones that I’ve talked to people (mostly new AR safe-queen owners) that had never seen or heard of one before and look at it in awe like something that was salvaged from space aliens in a UFO crash. Even the old buzzcuts that want to wallow in a DI vs. piston debate will eventually admit that the Israelis miiiiiight just have a handle on the whole small arms thing. Then they ask what it cost and I lose them again- LOL.

          • A bearded being from beyond ti

            Oh i get it, i thought you we’re saying that people were dumb to assume that Tavors take AR mags.

    • Jake

      You want some innovation, check out the Desert Tech MDR. Small form factor 308 that can change to multiple calibers.

  • Jim Slade

    I’m interested to see if the Hearing Protection Act gets traction in the House and Senate, bringing suppressors into the mainstream shooting culture. Easier acquisition should drive demand, and bring prices down there as well.

    • Harry’s Holsters

      Fingers crossed!

    • Hoplopfheil

      Please please please please please

    • Joseph Goins

      I imagine that many manufacturers would get away from proprietary muzzle devices and push more A2-compatible designs.

      • Harry’s Holsters

        If it gets passed I think we’ll see usable sub $100 cans and lots of solid quality but maybe heavier cans in the $350 range.

        When you don’t have to wait a year and pay a $200 stamp it makes more since as a consumer to buy a suppressor that may not last a lifetime. I think we’ll see sub $50 22 cans.

        • Joseph Goins

          When I went to New Zealand last year, they had silencers for $50. No joke.

          • AC97

            The question is, how long would they last?

          • Joseph Goins

            I told a salesman that I’m an American and couldn’t purchase it just he wouldn’t bullshi† me. He said he bought the cheapest one he could and that it was still going strong after 5000 rounds of 9mm.

          • Harry’s Holsters

            I can see that happening here if they take away the regulatory conditions. They might even get cheaper than that here considering the shear numbers a company with a pre existing network could sell. This would be a great opportunity for Freedom Group or Smith and Wesson to sell them through a lessor known brand.

          • Joseph Goins

            While I against 99% of government regulations, there is one that I hope it places on silencers. Safety equipment — safety googles and what not — has to meet certain standards and go through independent testing. At present, silencer manufacturers could (although they probably don’t) fabricate their numbers or easily skew test results. Government regulation will provide a certain standard that every manufacturer has to meet. That standard could take two forms: [1] requiring that all silencers on the market reduce sound by X decibels or [2] posting accurate decibel readings which allow the user to at least know what they are buying.

          • Bill

            Right on. If we have NRR ratings for ear pro, and this is a for real “Hearing Protection Act,” it needs to have substance and teeth.

          • Harry’s Holsters

            As a small business I’d love to see a small company do it also but unless someone with a huge pre existing network and a lot of capital comes in the big boys will be able to swallow up most of the market. The best bet would be a company similar to Faxxon which has the manufacturing capability but needs to bring on the right sales and distribution team. Not a small business per say but possibly family owned and a new player in the firearms industry.

            Kind of like the small local guys that produced budget AR15s till SW came in with the sport and took over that market.

            And the regulation you’re describing seems to be have a standard method for testing and be honest about the product’s performance which I can agree with 100%.

        • Paul White

          Exactly what I”m hoping for. I don’t need an amazing OMG supressor, I just want something for a house pistol–so if I ever have to use it to protect my family, we’re not all deaf forever afterwards

          • Harry’s Holsters

            Yeah I’d by a couple awesome ones and then buy a cheap one for every single gun that will work with a can.

    • TheMaskedMan

      Just a friendly reminder to write your reps about the HPA if you haven’t already.

    • MyFifteenthAccount

      It’s dead in committee and has been essentially since its introduction.

    • David Harmon

      I am with you on that one. I would like to see the whole NFA get wiped out, but I doubt that will happen in such a hostile environment.

  • Joseph Goins

    Once anti-gun, always anti-gun. Trump’s flexibility on certain issues in recent day’s is causing many of the guys at my gun club to think “maybe he isn’t who we hoped he would be.” As I said before the election, he might cave into populist demands after another school shooting causing the panic buying to start back up.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    I think we’ll see the accessories market grow. My sales dropped off about 2 weeks before the election and then picked up right after it. People who are worried about never being able to buy certain guns and magazines are taking a breath and kitting out their guns.

    • Joe

      Agreed. All those new gun owners are going to want to customize their new toys.

      • Joseph Goins

        I think that your faith in “all those new gun owners” may be misplaced. I’ve sold hundreds of gun to people who bought them for fear of missing out and as an investment in the event of a ban.

        • Joe

          How is it misplaced? Your hundreds of guns is a tiny sample size. There were over 2.3M NICS checks in October 2016 alone. 2016 averaged around 2M per month. That’s 24M this year alone. Let’s make some assumptions that only 20% (?) of those purchases are new buyers. Of those new buyers, let’s say only half pursue the hobby. That still leaves you with over 2M new active shooters. That would be one of the largest standing armies in the world. These numbers are huge.

          • Joseph Goins

            “How is it misplaced?”

            The word “all” in the phrase “all those new gun owners” means that everyone would “want to customize their new toys” because you think that they are getting into guns for the sake of enjoyment. The type of people to whom I sold and your own hypothetical statistic disproves your belief that “all those new gun owners are going to want to customize their new toys.” I would like every gun owner to buy for the sake of personal enjoyment, but it just doesn’t happen.

          • Joe

            Let me correct the record, I didn’t literally mean all the new gun owners.

        • Harry’s Holsters

          People usually have to justify all their purchases somehow. I know tons of people who buy them under those reason but would never follow through with it.

          • Not sure if it is up your alley, but I’m looking to get my mother a inside the purse holster for her KelTec P32 – any suggestions?

          • Harry’s Holsters

            I don’t make holster for that KelTec but Aegis Armory does and they have some holsters that should work for purse carry depending on the features of the purse. I have no experience with the company or their build quality.

    • Paul White

      that reminds me I need to start looking for holsters for some sidearms.

  • Pete Sheppard

    Nicely put on another site:
    “Hillary would have been great for gunmakers;
    Trump is great for gun buyers”
    A Clinton presidency would have driven gun prices through the roof, for record profits to manufacturers.
    President Trump (along with a Republican Congress) will cause prices to drop, meaning great deals for shooters.

    • M.M.D.C.

      That’s a bit shortsighted. First, I think most of those who were going to ‘gun up’ already have. Second, those who did gun up have all they needed (and probably a whole lot more). Finally, even if HRC had triggered another panic buy, the long-term future for gun makers in America would probably have been pretty dim.

      I do agree, however, that DJT will be good for shooters and gun makers.

      • Pete Sheppard

        Well said. For brevity, I didn’t mention that those record profits would be short term, as the American gun industry would not last much longer–consider how European companies withered and died as gun control policies became more stringent and widespread.

    • gunsandrockets

      Well said!

  • Anomanom

    I wouldn’t count out panic buying altogether. There are probably many people who are as afraid of a Trump presidency as there are people afraid of a Clinton presidency.

    • QuadGMoto

      I agree, though maybe not quite in the same way. The fear of what what the government might do to (further) infringe Second Amendment rights has been significantly reduced by Trump’s win.

      On the other hand, I’m seeing serious anger verging on “hoisting the flag and starting to slit throats” over his win. There is a notable possibility that such anger could continue to grow like a wildfire. If it does, that’s as much of a threat as what the government might have done.

      • Wolfgar

        The crying snow fakes are only a threat if they out number you 50 to 1 and your dumb enough to show your support of Trump in front of them in a large city or campus. The real threat will occur if they don’t get their free meds, food, phones, birth control, etc. Working for a living scares the hell out of them more than the thought of Trump becoming president. Then it will be a snow flake apocalypse.

        • QuadGMoto

          For now, I don’t see the isolated incidents as something that would affect the gun industry. But when you have people like Joss Whedon inciting by tweeting that Trump must never spend a single day in office, the level of violence could grow to the point where the average person’s livelihood and/or life is is at risk and they realize they need to be armed Right Now. That would have a huge impact on the industry.

          • Wolfgar

            You do have a point!

        • iksnilol

          No offense but you oldfags are worse in regards to entitlement than the young’ins. That’s at least my experience working in a pharmacy.

          • Wolfgar

            Define old LOL. Young people do not have to or are allowed to work the way we did when I was young, but yes there are a lot of elderly people with entitlement attitudes. And oldfag yourself 🙂

          • iksnilol

            Old people = people who were young when it was easy to be young, the times when you didn’t have to have a loan to buy a house. The same people who rule the countries, and you know, tanked the economy a couple of times. Buuut complain about this and you’re an entitled whippersnapper.

            And when they become even further older, they become damned zombies scratching at the glass to get their drugs. Friggin’ junkies.

          • Wolfgar

            Working 18 hours a day hooking logs on a line machine in the mountains of Montana at 16 years of age and skid cat at 18 was not easier. I never took a hand out or will I ever. The young people in my area do expect things to come easier and know little about hard work but I will agree with you that the system is screwed up. This is why Trump was voted in to change the system. I wont hold my breath.

          • iksnilol

            Well, I can respect you then, you one of the good oldfags then 😛 I just hate the silver spoon types who preach hard work. Like, no, you did not work hard, your grandpa did and you’re just coasting off it. For goodness sake, we worked in fields for barely any money due to not having other options (when we came as immigrants in Norway), we fished to save money on food.

            But what can you do, we are men of fortune and thusly we have to make our fortune. We weren’t born red, white and blue only to wave the flag.

          • Wolfgar

            The problem is this political shift has always occurred. I would win some and loose some. Many in the younger generation have just lost and are freaking out, rioting in the street and mentally breaking down. When they banned new manufactured machine guns for private citizens or banned importation of so called assault weapons the gun community didn’t riot in the street attacking the opposition or destroying their own cities and towns. Yes the younger generation has some real issues that need to be fixed, and stop calling me an oldfag 🙂

          • Dougscamo

            WH..what….? Norway has fields and field hands?…I’m an old fart…get off my lawn…and worked fields….when I was 12 all the way through college….and have never been able to buy a house without a loan….nor were my parents and they survived the Depression….and WWII….
            Are you talking and calling people like the Rockefellers and such the oldfags? If so…I’m with you….

          • iksnilol

            Man, we worked crappy jobs then 😛

            But yeah, that was back in the day. No more fields and berries now, they’ve been replaced with offices and computers. Me? I work in a gas station while putting myself through college, then I’mma get a job in a hospital or something. Get a loan and buy a house. Pay that off while enjoying my 20’s.

            Copious amounts of booze will most likely be consumed.

          • Dougscamo

            DAMN! Are you s#$%tting me?…..pay off a house loan in your 20’s???? Lab work and phlebotomist professions must really pay WELL there!!!! Heck, I’m in my 60’s and still have a house payment…thanks to the ex….and the 2007 housing craziness here….but 18 more payments and she’s mine….not the ex…..

          • iksnilol

            Well, if I go for a bit cheaper house (AKA not smack dab in the centre of the city). I can pay it down for like 8-10 years (aiming for 8 to be honest).

            But who knows, maybe I will mess up somehow or the housign bubble will burst (which would be kinda nice since then I could get a hosue cheap). So might take longer but should be doable in about 10 years, so I’ll be in my early 30’s if I don’t screw up too much.

            Eh, lab/phlebotomy work is decent paying. I should have the equivalent of 35k USD yearly after taxes (more if I work night shifts and holidays which I don’t celebrate anyways).

          • Dougscamo

            The last place I would want a house….smack dab in the centre of the city….my spell check is yelling at me about “centre” BUT….I get it….
            The closest “city” to me is about 60 miles….closest town is 12 miles….no idea about how many kilometers….we’ve have this discussion before on conversions….

          • iksnilol

            60 miles = about 90 km
            12 miles = about 18 km

            Yeah I completely relate, too much 5-0 for a brother to breathe in peace. Would like a 15-20 minute drive to the city tho, somewhat close to a hospital I could work at.

          • Dougscamo

            LOL….5-0….still got my badge so “What, me worry?”…my housing philosophy has always been that if the neighbors are too close for me to p#ss in the yard when I step out back then it’s too close….drove me crazy when I lived in Richmond….neighbors too for that matter….

          • iksnilol

            Oooh, neighbours are the worst. I mean, I know people who had cancer but were like “it’s all cool, no neighbourly issues in a hospital”

            Not a fan of police for personal reasons, so I try to stay outta their noses. And some people got dirt on me so gotta play nice with them until I can move out and fix that dirt.

          • Dougscamo

            “Say it ain’t true, Joe”…uh…Iksilol….

          • iksnilol

            “Now, I’m sorry to tell you”
            -OH GOD, it’s cancer isn’t it?
            “No”
            -Phew
            “it’s neighbours ,you’ve been diagnosed with neighbours”
            -WHY GOD, WHYYHYY!? *breaks down crying*

          • .45

            Crap, buddy, we’re kindred souls. I agree with you and am glad to have gotten out of the pharmacy business.

          • iksnilol

            Well, I was indirectly fired after half a year (y’know, put on as a substitute indefinitely just so they don’t have to pay severance). I liked it, minus the geriatric zombies and the nurses that take out prescriptions for 20 patients. But I liked it, felt I did somethign worthwhile, I helped people.

            So now I am at school to become a phlebotomist (kinda, it’s also lab engineer here in Norway).

          • Dougscamo

            How are you at root beer floats?….

          • iksnilol

            I’ve yet to try that.

          • Dougscamo

            Old joke….guy graduates from pharmacy school…passes his boards….and couldn’t get a job at a pharmacy because he couldn’t make root beer floats….get off my lawn…. 🙂

          • iksnilol

            These strange pharmacies with lawns and root beer… they’re fascinating. Tell me more of these amazing apothecaries, please.

          • Dougscamo

            Damn….you sly…..again….

          • iksnilol

            I honestly have no clue, but stuff sounds interesting. I am genuinely a curious person.

            Luckily ain’t no suckas with yellow raincoats gunning for me.

          • Dougscamo

            Well, I tried but since it has a link it is of course being held up by TFB…..
            Google The History of the Soda Fountain in About Money….quick and dirty….

          • iksnilol

            OOH, I’ve heard about those.

            That was almost way back inthe days when you could sell cocaine-cannabis cocktails as do all cough sirup.

          • Dougscamo

            Actually….the first ones WERE in the days of cocaine being advertised as a “pick me up”….

          • Phil Hsueh

            You should really do yourself a favor and give it a try some time if you can. It’s really simple to make too, all you need is some root beer and vanilla ice cream. What you do you is pour the root beer into a tall glass or mug about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way full, put a scoop (or two) of ice cream into the root beer and enjoy.

          • iksnilol

            Sounds fun, would try it if root beer was a thing in Norway.

          • Phil Hsueh

            You mean, they don’t sell root beer in Norway? That sucks, I thought sodas were pretty much universally sold everywhere. You should try looking at specialty shops that carry food and drinks from all over the world, one of those ought to carry root beer. If not, you should see if you can import some in from elsewhere, it would be worth to do it once for a special occasion, just make sure you save it for a nice warm day in order to fully appreciate it.

          • iksnilol

            Sodas are, but not root beer.

          • Phil Hsueh

            Got it, but, despite its name, root beer is not a type of beer, it’s non-alcoholic and is just a form of soda.

          • iksnilol

            Aah, just wonder what kind of soda it is.

          • Dougscamo

            Made from sassafras…..

          • Phil Hsueh

            It’s a cola type drink in that it’s dark as opposed to clear like Sprite or 7-Up but its flavor is completely different from a cola like Coke or Pepsi. According to Wikipedia it used to be made from sassafarass or sasperella but not anymore, at least not very much any more. The article also states that there are brands of root beer made all around including as close to you as Sweden. So maybe you could find Swedish root beer if American root beer is unavailable.

          • iksnilol

            We shall make the plans then.

            AFTER THE GREAT BATTLE OF THE FINALS, WE SHALL GO ON A QUEST TO FIND THIS “SWEDISH ROOT BEER”. AN ARTIFACT OF GREAT POWER THAT THE VERY FATE OF MY TASTE BUDS RESTS ON! Also, by we I mean primarily me. It’d be kinda unfair (and mucho dinero) to bring y’all from half the globe.

          • Dougscamo

            No after the GREAT BATTLE we will travel in time to find those darned posts!…..btw, You must choose. But choose wisely, for as the true Root Beer will bring you life, a false one will take it from you…..

          • iksnilol

            DAaaam, Doug. Root beer be like the grail of life now?

            Things are serious. I oughta finish my tire armor then.

          • Dougscamo

            Truly…..

          • Dougscamo

            Do you ever sleep?….

          • iksnilol

            Contrary to popular belief but I do, I just spread it out in shifts so that I can be somewhat active most of the day.

          • Dougscamo

            Feel like I’m in “Dr Strange” with his time loop…comments I’ve posted since this one aren’t showing up on this page….yet….

          • iksnilol

            Might be delayed if there’s “bad” words in them. Then they get marked as “Pending” or if they include links that same thing can happen.

          • Dougscamo

            Nope…ain’t that…you and Phil Hsueh were talking about soda…he said that root beer was non-alcoholic….you said that okay….soda…but you weren’t familiar with root beer….and then I commented that it was made from sassafras….this always happens when I contemplate time travel and loops….I trippin….

          • iksnilol

            Can totally relate, this timeline is outta whack yo.

            I much prefer the one where I didn’t get tinnitus or skid out and drive into a ditch, but here we are, I got tinnitus and have to pay like the equivalent of 200-250 bucks in repairs.

          • Dougscamo

            Dude…we are seriously in a time warp….cue Twilight Zone music….I can’t find any of our comments on the original post….must have been the mescaline….or we got deleted….
            Oh, yeah…..I’ve had tinnitus for 40 some years…you get used to it…..

          • iksnilol

            Had it since I was a little muchaco, yeah you do get used to it. Still, sometimes when I get philosophical I get bummed out that I don’t remember what silence sounds like… nor will I ever hear that lack of sound ever again. On the bright side, my tinnitus hasn’t been just ringing and droning, it’s also been the occasional auditory hallucination. So I got to experience that (DRUG FREE HALLUCINATIONS, THAT’S LIKE A FREE HALFWAY ACID TRIP).

            Back on topic: mescaline? Daaaamn, Daniel! You party hard to say the least. Also, I just reply directly from Disqus. It’s weeeeird, how trippy things can get when you search for comments inside the thread itself. Some straight up Matrix stuff.

          • Dougscamo

            Truly….my head is spinning….time for some bourbon and antelope tenderloin….maybe time will realign itself during the interlude…interlude….LUDES!….THAT’S IT!…..

          • iksnilol

            Them crooked vultures with the interludes with ludes.

            OOOH,, if head is of spinnings. Lie down, and then put one foot on the floor. Spinning should be greatly reduced.

          • Dougscamo

            Huh?….I always lie down with both feet on the floor…..oh, you mean lie down on the bed?…..you hooley man?….

          • iksnilol

            Bed, couch, whatever, it’s all good. Then plant one foot solidly on the ground while the other is in bed or something 🙂

  • Paul White

    I wish I knew. I’m not sure at all that he’s the friend a lot of gun owners think he is. I’m hoping suppressors and SBRs get deregulated but I wouldn’t give better than 50/50 on either happening.

    I’d also like to see more focus on stuff besides AR’s and double stack polymer striker fired handguns since there’s a sense of “breathing room” and we *probably* don’t have to worry about a federal ban anytime soon.

    • A bearded being from beyond ti

      The thing about innovation though is that i hear a lot of people saying (rightfully) that they’re tired of ARs and polymerframed, strikerfired pistols, but i rarely hear anyone propose any new ideas for firearms either.

      Complaining about a problem without proposing a solution is called whining. (which i guess im doing right now :/)

      • Paul White

        oh, I’ve got *ideas* I just don’t know if they’re feasible or practical. I know jack about design. If the HPA passes, I’d love to see stuff like pistols with integral suppressors, I’d like to see more affordable pistol caliber carbines, I’d like to see someone make a credible run at replacing the old NEF single shot rifles (not innovative, but I miss those), work on making the low end stuff nicer at the same price….

        • .45

          I’ve got idle thoughts on constructing my own “ultimate” AK. Bolt handle on left side (non reciprocating?), AR type safety, dedicated rail across the top, AR type cover for the ejection port (those mud tests man…), special mag release, a mag well of sorts so you only have to worry about the rocking part, customized adjustable stock, accurized, etc, etc.

  • Joe

    The industry will probably see a readjustment. I think we were peak gun the last 6 months. Now, motivation to buy is lower, which will drive down sales and stock prices. Production will fall to meet the new demand, which will cause some layoffs at the manufacturers. Some smaller gun stores might go out of business because the margins on new guns are small and the sales won’t support current payroll and expenses.

    All that sounds bad, but it’s just a return to normal. Supply and demand will shift lower and the industry will find a new equilibrium. It’s still overall very healthy, but you’re not going to have the panic buying like we’ve seen recently.

    Now accessory makers like Magpul are another story.

  • May

    I know quite a few people who are buying their first guns because of the outcome. The surge in neo fascism has them scared for their lives, and they’re going to be ready to defend themselves and their liberties.

    • AC97

      Are they going to start talking about “FEMA death camps” now too?

      • May

        They’re more concerned about things that actually exist. When you’re gay or black and the president appoints a homophobic white supremacist as his top advisor, you get ready to hunker down.

        • Wolfgar

          Grow up, nobody is going after gays, blacks or what ever. If it ever got that bad there would be millions of gun owners on your side. It isn’t going to happen. Do not believe all the CNN and professor fear mongering.

          • Joseph Goins

            “Grow up, nobody is going after gays, blacks or what ever.”
            “Do not believe all the CNN and professor fear mongering.”

            These two statements are contradictory. I healthy dose of skepticism is helpful, but it certainly shouldn’t be dismissive.

          • Wolfgar

            Nobody’s dismissive or contradictory and why are you yelling LOL. Skepticism is good but fear mongering is not.

          • Joseph Goins

            By calling it “fear mongering”, you are being “dismissive” by assuming that it is a bunch of malarkey.

            And I’m not yelling. I bolded your quotes [1] to separate them from what I’m writing and [2] to point out the statements that are contradictory.

          • Wolfgar

            I was joking about the yelling, lighten up 🙂 It is all malarkey but you can build a bunker and hide in it if you wish. The right was fear mongering about Obama and now your doing it with Trump. People are so gullible. After 4 years you will understand and feel a little foolish. That is called learning from experience.

          • Joseph Goins

            “It is all malarkey but you can build a bunker and hide in it if you wish.”

            So, you are being dismissive? Got it.

            “The right was fear mongering about Obama…”

            I never addressed this. This is correct but…

            “…and now your doing it with Trump.”

            …it assumes a left-right paradigm to which I do not belong. I’m in neither camp.

            “People are so gullible.

            That goes without saying.

            After 4 years you will understand and feel a little foolish. That is called learning from experience.”

            I have no illusions about what Trump is selling: a badly defined agenda. What myself and others take issue with is the people he is choosing to surround himself with that will define the agenda. The pro-LGBT rights folks are afraid of what Pence could convince Trump to adopt. The anti-racial agenda folks are afraid of what Steven Bannon could get Trump to adopt.

          • Wolfgar

            You people need to get together and build a bigger bunker. If you wish to have a political debate take it somewhere else. In 4 years there will be no change to gay rights, black rights or any Americans rights and you will understand how foolish you are acting at this moment. Damn people are paranoid! Sells lots of guns and ammo.

          • iksnilol

            Oh certainly not, I mean the folks who want to abolish equality laws for gays and are favoring gay conversion therapy are certainly not going after gays.

            And there are already armed gay groups. IE Pink Pistols

          • Wolfgar

            We have what is called a Constitution. Under this Constitution there is separation of powers which no president or Congress can usurp unless it is an over whelming vote by 2/3 of the states, Congress and the president. I listen to this fear mongering for over thirty years and it is just that fear mongering. If the protections of our Constitution were some how by passed then we would be left with the nuclear option which is the Second Amendment. We are far from any of this so yes it is fear mongering.

          • iksnilol

            I like being prepared, not only one here.

            And a red congress + Trumps justices and cohorts should make it easy to pass stuff that they want. I mean, Pence did sign one of the most restrictive abortion laws (which also destroys useful biological material, which is just stupid and a waste, speaking as someone from the medical sector). And he’ll gun for Roe vs. Wade, he stated so himself.

          • Wolfgar

            You don’t even live in this country so how are you preparing? You wont sucker me into an abortion debate, no way! What you are talking about is politics which swings both ways every so often but it is not an excuse to fear monger. Like I stated before I heard this all before, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. Pure fear mongering.

          • iksnilol

            Not suckering you into anything, but if you fail to see how someone is worried that somebody continuing what they have done during their entire career that affects them negatively then I’ve got little to say. Pence has had policies that are negative for both medical research and LGBT folks, now giving Pence more power and say + red congress naturally worries medical folks and LGBT folks.

            Luckily am not in the US, but my preparations are amongst the same vein. Mine issues are a bit more realistic I’ll admit since I’ve you know met actual enemies. But probably won’t be long until your queers start meeting real enemies as well (I mean, that shooting should’a opened some eyes).

            So I guess my point is, it ain’t really fear mongering if it is a realistic issue.

          • Wolfgar

            This is called politics and life. This is why we have elections and political debate which is discouraged on this forum by the way. If you and others wish to live if fear by all means live in fear. History in US elections has proven the folly of such thinking but freak out if you must!.

          • iksnilol

            Oh yeah, those negroes in CA must have lived in fear needlessly in the 50’s and 60’s or the homosexuals in the 80’s (or in general pre 00’s).

            I don’t really consider myself living in fear. I just keep some preps ready, some tools as well (never know when you need to jury rig something).

            But you’re right, I’d assume we have strayed into politics a long time ago. Why aren’t we shut down yet? Weird.

          • Wolfgar

            Their probably sending the drones for us at this moment.

          • iksnilol

            Black Panthers had drones now?

            Or the federales? Well, screw it, if it gets across the pond Imma be impressed

          • Wolfgar

            🙂

          • iksnilol

            COuld you like imagine it, I’m there freezing my cute butt off and trying to keep warm by wrapping myself up in about a tipi tent’s worth of cloth… then a motherlovin drone just flies in from nowhere, frozen to all git but still working.

            I’d be impressed.

    • Rick O’Shay

      The sad thing is, if they were anti gun before, or just apathetic to them, I’m not sure this will necessarily swing them to our side. Who knows, maybe some of them will smell the cordite and join our ranks, but I sense a lot of them will still be very much all about “sensible gun laws.”

      • May

        Perhaps yes, perhaps no. The surge in hatecrimes has caused a lot of people to realize the value of self defense.

      • QuadGMoto

        I sense a lot of them will still be very much all about “sensible gun laws.”

        As in “guns for me, but not for thee.” This is the most common type of “sensible weapons control” laws in history.

        • Rick O’Shay

          Exactly that.

        • May

          It’s possible, but I think the experience might change their minds on a couple things. Most of the people I’m talking about are minorities, they may just take up the cause of gun rights once they go through the system and realize that most of our gun laws are echoes of Jim Crow.

          • QuadGMoto

            Yep. When faced with reality, many people learn and grow. Sadly, many others “reject reality and substitute [their] own.”

      • iksnilol

        Doubt they’ll “join your ranks” if you voted for Trump (who admittedly isn’t as bad as his cohorts like Pence).

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  • LazyReader

    Machine Guns…….cause I like to splurge

  • Black Dots

    I don’t know if ammo prices will be affected, but I think at the very least we don’t need to worry about any shortages. Although I would appreciate lower prices across the board, I will settle for availability. I live in CA, and starting 1/1/18, it will be illegal to purchase ammo online and from out of state. You will also need to essentially get a license to buy ammo after going through a background check. Needless to say, I will be buying as much ammo as possible all throughout 2017.

    • Porty1119

      I think that that law falls under the category of regulating interstate commerce, which CA does not have the constitutional authority to do…

      • Black Dots

        I hope you are correct, and I think any justices Trump appoints to SCOTUS would be inclined to agree. Then again, the federal courts (including SCOTUS) have given states a lot of latitude when it comes to regulating firearms and related items. We’ll see.

      • gunsandrockets

        Find a Federal Court to stop them. So far we California gun-owners can’t find one.

        The ammo law is the least of the numerous, crazy and unjust gun-control laws California has. And most of those laws have been challenged in Federal Court. So far the Courts have said the State (and Cities) can do whatever it wants to us.

        We are on our own. Alone. And at the mercy of a rabid anti-gun majority in this State.

        • David Harmon

          Let the deportations start and they will start getting defanged.

      • Marcus D.

        Sure it does. It is not (quite) a ban, as OP states. Out of state vendors can still sell to CA residents as long as the ammo is shipped to a California licensed ammunition vendor and transferred in a face to face transaction that follows the requirements of the law for all ammo sales. The trick will be finding an in-state ammo dealer willing to push the required paperwork for the $10 fee allowed by the statute (over any other fee charged for running the NICS check).

        I wonder if the FBI will balk at the requirements of Prop 63 since, as mentioned, every ammo sale requires an “instant” background check. Which background check is not necessarily quite so instant, as the feds have three days to approve or disapprove. With approximately 8-10 million California gun owners, most of whom will be buying at stores somewhere (range purchases used at the range are exempt) at least once a year, there will be a torrent of NICS requests flooding the FBI unit, which is already seeing record numbers of checks. Will they system break down? Is the FBI going to refuse to process “ammo check” requests as opposed to only 4473s? I wonder, as I have little doubt that Newsome did not consult with the FBI when he wrote his bill.

        The there is the whole other issue of whether the DOJ will be able to gear up in the limited time that this bill allows, buying computers and software, hiring and training staff, and processing millions of license applications in a timely fashion. (Although I have little doubt that Newsome would be perfectly happy if the licenses were delayed and delayed while the rest of the law goes into effect. he is a dyed in the wool banner, after all.)

  • Wolfgar

    The only threat to our firearms for the moment will be on the state and local level. There will be a lull in panic buying for a while which will be a good opportunity to stock up on ammo or other purchases like AR lowers and parts. We got a reprieve from the Hilda beast threat but the anti’s will never stop and the conflict will continue.

    • gunsandrockets

      To be fair, the threat to gun rights from Hillary was more theoretical than practical.

      If Hillary had been elected, it would have been as the lone Democrat with power in a sea of Republicans at the Federal Level. Gridlock and Lame Duck the favorite terms to describe her administration. No way could she pass significant anti-gun legislation.

      Yes, Hillary could have screwed over the Federal Courts. But then the Federal Courts haven’t been protecting the 2nd Amendment much at all since 2010. Even the Supreme Court has abandoned us. What difference would Hillary have made to that already bad situation?

      So before, or after this election, the real action was always going to be at the State level and City level, not the Feds.

      However in the longer run I will say that the current Federal balance of power has the potential for dramatic positive change for all American gun owners. But how reliable is the mercurial Trump?

      • Wolfgar

        She could have stacked the court with closet anti gunners. The Rhino republicans have nominated anti gunners in the past so the hildabeast most certainly would have. She is ravenously anti gun and in the end the Supreme court was the most important part of this election. Trump is unproven but we definitely knew who the hildabeast was and it could have been the end for the Second amendment with her administration. If the left ever got the majority in both houses with a stacked Supreme court, it would have been a super storm for the destruction of our gun rights .

        • gunsandrockets

          “If the left ever got the majority in both houses with a stacked Supreme court, it would have been a super storm for the destruction of our gun rights .”

          That’s an awful lot of ‘Ifs’. As seen by the last time the Democrats had a majority in the House, it requires a significant addition of pro-gun candidates to win that majority. A plan which Senator Schumer promoted after 2000 to win back the House majority by 2006 (and a majority which Obama then squandered and lost by 2010). The Blue-Dog Democrats are extinct. Obama killed them off.

          http://thehill.com/homenews/house/269155-blue-dogs-fight-for-relevance-as-minority-group-in-minority-party-

          Don’t get me wrong, the fate of the Federal Courts was well worth fighting for. But living in California engenders in a concerned gun-owner a particularly flinty and practical perspective when it comes to gun-control and politics.

  • Phillip Cooper

    “nor are we going to talk politics. What will the outcome of the last presidential election going to change for gun owners?”

    Translation: “we aren’t going to talk politics. Now, how about them there politics?”

    Uh, what????

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Firearms Not Politics – unless a political post would bring in those sweet sweet clicks!

    • gunsandrockets

      Considering the dire affect politics has on the firearms marketplace, it is entirely relevant to consider the changed condition of the market because of the surprise outcome of the election.

      • Phillip Cooper

        Read the first sentence in the article, and the banner graphic at the top of every page.

  • Martin Grønsdal

    Ane chance the 1986 machine gun act gets repealed now?

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Not a chance.

      EDIT: With this guy in there im going to stop say “not a chance”

      • Edeco

        That’s the problem, I think; we, the gun camp, are coming to the metaphorical table too soon, too happy. Apparently we’re on track to get cans back, but (full) auto, and more importantly the cohesive philosophical position that comes with demanding all guns tgat comes with it… I worry we’re in worse shape for that, for decades to come,

    • Minuteman

      Unless you’re a billionaire, what’s the real point of it? Don’t get me wrong, I’m with ya on this one for the sake of the 2A. Yet there is no reason for any sane person to own belt fed machine guns, other than as collectors items and range toys (if you’re a billionaire).

      • AC97

        “Billionaire”? Why wouldn’t you be able to afford those as a millionaire?

      • QuadGMoto

        9mm carbines have become very popular. I think a lot of regular gun owners would really like to have full-auto versions, and could actually afford them.

        • Minuteman

          I wasn’t referring to MP5s and I’m sure he wasn’t either. I’m with ya though!

        • Paul White

          In my dream world Ruger comes out with a slightly ugly but totally reliable full auto SBR carbine offered in 45, 357 SIG, 10mm, 40 S&W and 9mm, probably with like a 10-12″ barrel and an adjustable buttstock (think scaled down AR style buttstock), and has affordable 40 round magazines with it.

          And it comes with a scabbard holster so I can carry it on my pony too.

      • iksnilol

        well, machinegun act covers SMGs and SMGs are in legally termed Machine Guns.

        • Minuteman

          Yeah because some pencil pushing libtard nerd who never bothered to educate himself on guns sitting behind an ATF desk decided to call them that way. You and I both know what a real machinegun is.

          • iksnilol

            Wow, “nerd”.

            You gotta up the insult game, hombre. What did you get in English?

          • Minuteman

            You: sMGs and full auto rifles in the US are classed as machine guns.

            Me: Yes, that is correct, becaue some nerd aka idiot aka moron at the ATF (who never got to know the true meaning of the machinegun concept) decided to erroneously lable them (sub guns, full auto firles etc) as such.

            Me again: but you and I know better.

            Nobody called you a nerd bro, if that’s what you referred to. [I don’t understand your reaction?]

          • iksnilol

            No, I mean, if you’re gonna insult the federales you oughta do better than nerd. I mean, we’re in this together, come up with something better. Like call them filhos da puta or something, get creative. You did not spend your childhood in school to come with feeble insults such as “nerd”.

          • Minuteman

            HAHAHAHAHA LMAO (Y) Son, I’m an Old Fart. All I know is ‘nerd’.

          • A bearded being from beyond ti

            It’s a little bit ironic that you blast someone for the “insult game” when you just called a guy in this very thread an “oldfag”

          • iksnilol

            Hey, gotta respect the classics. Besides, we don’t have many insults for the geriatric hordes plundering worldwide.

      • kevinp2

        Even fully auto .22s are regulated as machine guns.

        • Minuteman

          It’s absurd isn’t it?

      • Edeco

        I’ll have to think about belt fed, but my modern assaulting rifle might as well have a giggle switch. Couple thou more rounds a year would be no hardship.

    • kevinp2

      Anything is possible. When I came to this country 25 years ago, if you would have told me that in 2016, nearly all states would have shall-issue concealed carry, I would have asked you what you were smoking.

      In the last few years, several states have legalized NFA items, including machine guns and silencers.

      All it takes is one congressman from a safe district to insert a repeal of the 1986 provision – or to “clarify” that ATF processing meets the “under authority” clause – into an omnibus or budget bill, and a President Trump to sign it.

      It’ll be tremendous! Yuge!

      The NRA went all out and early for Trump and he seems to remember and reward loyalty.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    America has never flirted with a “strong man” type ultra right nationalist but I think its safe to say gun companies are going to stay healthy.
    Gun nuts (like myself) will continue to buy and newbies on the left who are concerned about personal safety will take advantage of low pricing.

    • Minuteman

      “America has never flirted with a “strong man” type ultra right nationalist”

      Up till now! 😀 Times have changed, my friend.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Donald Trump is most likely going to be good for my business (Energy) and good for maintaining gun rights but he still makes me nervous.

        • Minuteman

          Why’s that? I’m all for the man. He could do away with his Neanderthal views on women though.

          But let me summarize:
          1) He’ll leave alone the 2A and most probably repeal a whole lot of infringements.
          2) The wall along the Mexican border was long overdue.
          3) America and Russia getting comfy
          4) Pulling out of NATO, the UN and all those other utterly useless globalist organizations. (They’re all part of the same crew)
          5) Kick Islam’s 6.
          6) Focussing on America first (our crippling infrastructure for instance)

          What’s not to like?

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            If you think theres going to be a wall built from San Diego to Brownsville you have a rude awakening coming.
            Thers a reason Putin wanted Trump in there and thats so he can run the table on us in Eastern Europe where things are getting hot again.
            Fracturing NATO is his #1 goal and Trump is his tool.

            We are not at war with Islam.

          • Minuteman

            Perhaps. Maybe, maybe not. We’ll see.
            I don’t care for Eastern Europe. Not our problem. Let me tell you this, for once, the Europeans should stop sucking our d..k and get their own act together. That includes stop crying all the time and look at us to take care of their “needs”. Russia is of no threat to Europe or the West, it’s the other way around. You cannot blame suddenly blame Russia for being rith in the middle of OUR 900 or so overseas bases, right? Come on, be a sport.
            I’d love to see NATO evaporate yesteryear!
            Fine, radical islam then 🙂

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            What happens in Europe will always be our concern.

          • Minuteman

            Well, let me ask you then: for how long do you think we can remain to act as the world’s police man? Because to be real honest with you, I’m not a big fan of Europe.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I think a better question is how long can we afford to be private security for Saudi Arabia? A country which screws us at every opportunity and is a massive human rights violator.
            The DEMOCRACIES of Europe are worth fighting for.

          • Minuteman

            Hear hear!!!!

            With regards to Europe though, we disagree. These guys are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves and for themselves. They need to grow up already instead of acting like little kids that simply refuse to get their act together. I’d say let them sort themselves out.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Hey im right there with you thinking we need to figure out our own problems first but today our problems are inseparable from Europe and the Middle East.

          • Minuteman

            Then we need to act as one and unite alongside Russia, Syria AND Europe against radical Islam in the Middle East.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Lol
            This argument could melt through the hull of the internet.
            We have a disagreement, ill respectfully leave it there.

          • Minuteman

            😀 Sure thing bro (y)

          • Bill

            They aren’t looking at us to take care of their needs, unless the Cold War fires up. We need them for coalition building. Any of our Mid Easy adventuring could have only happened with NATO’s support and boots on the ground.

          • Minuteman

            I beg to differ. The Europeans are scared crapless now, fear that we leave them to their own.

          • ARCNA442

            We need them? The US has supplied the majority the coalition forces in the Middle East and remainder has mostly been British. The other nations usually sent a few hundred men and often focused on quiet areas.

          • Bill

            And when you factor in the size of coalition nations and the investment they each make in their armed forces, of course that’s the way it breaks down. That doesn’t devalue their contribution.

          • Marcus D.

            I guess you must be one of those Russian plants. If Russia was not a threat, why is Finland seriously considering joining NATO, Sweden is on edge, and the Baltic States have joined because they cannot stand against the typical modern Russian invasion–i.e., what the Russians did in Ukraine when Ukraine did not do what Russia wanted. Why are you willing to forsake Eastern Europe? The Poles spend more per capita on defense than we do. No no no, it is the old Europeans that are the problem–England, with no navy to speak of, no aircraft carriers or aircraft to put aboard, Germany with 186 fighter jets and 180,000 in all of its armed forces, France (not a NATO member) Spain, Greece etc etc who are not pulling their weight–and haven’t pulled their weight for decades.

          • Minuteman

            I’m sorry, but you’re really being nonsensical right now. What Russian invasion? What Russian threat? It’s the other way around! NATO is creeping up Russia’s borders. But yeah sure, keep insisting that Russia suddenly decided to place itself in the midst of our 900 or so overseas bases. Sweden and Finland are being pressured by NATO to join, it has nothing to do with them being scared or not. Sorry man, I can’t take your comment seriously. Let’s just give it a rest already because it’s obvious you’re not being objective on the matter.

          • Marcus D.

            I see, another one of those who is willfully blind. I guess there were no little green men in Crimea, Russian troops and supplies were not flooding into eastern Ukraine, Russian jets are not engaging in the Cold War program of sending their jets to intercept other planes in international airspace not intruding into the airspace of neighboring countries, and China is not trying to claim the entire South China Sea for itself contrary to the territorial claims of other countries, and contrary to International law. So you’ve got two of the monkeys down anyway, maybe you should discover the third.

          • A Merican

            You are a gibbering fool from Savushkina street.

            You need you neck stretched, you phony-American troll.

          • David Harmon

            Really? You believe everything the media sells you to?

          • Joe

            He doesn’t seem to be willing to address the current debt or the source of the problem with entitlements. As soon as interest rates rise, it’s going to be a huge problem. Right now the debt to GDP ratio is not bad, but when interest rates adjust to their historic levels it will be a catastrophe. We need to take the medicine now before it’s too late, but I’m sure he doesn’t want to be blamed for the negative effects.

          • Minuteman

            I agree on your bottom line. The number 1 solution is to cut back on DoD and Big Brother spending. Reduce the military with at least two thirds across the board, with ‘end all’ depth cuts in to branches no longer needed (such as long range bombers and air transportation for instance), get rid of the Guard and Reserve in its current form, retain the Reserve personnel and redesignate the remaining active duty Army as the Reserve and reman those jobs with current Reserve personnel. That way DoD no longer needs to provide for pensions and other personnel expenses that are a huge portion of the overall budget. NSA, CIA etc need to get the boot kicked out as well. I’d retain the FBI -one of this country’s few actually functioning agencies- and some elements of the Secret Service though. I’m pretty much with Ron Paul on this one. This is basically him talking, not me. I just listen to him and absorb what I like.

          • Joe

            I’m also a fan of RP. It’s too bad he was too old this year and they ran that clown Johnson. This year was a legitimate opportunity for a viable 3rd party candidate. Can you imagine RP debating Trump and Hillary? That guy had a command of facts and figures and would’ve owned them.

            But I digress, I was referring to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Those 3 entitlements account for over 50% of our spending (and this is a low estimate). It’s a bubble waiting to pop unless something is done. Unfortunately, politicians don’t want to go anywhere NEAR reforming entitlements. Trump even mentioned he wanted to expand Medicare.

          • Minuteman

            Johnson’s a joke indeed. If Trump know’s what he’s doing he’ll bring in RP and make him a White House Staff member. I would…

          • Marcus D.

            As a friend of mine–a rather conservative hawk–says, if there is another war in Europe (with the Russians), all of our tanks are on the wrong side of the pond. The only way to get them there in a timely fashion is with air transport. Almost all of our troops abroad not in Europe are resupplied by air. Isolationism, a constant American dream, is no longer an available alternative.

          • Minuteman

            I don’t take Neocons and their opinions seriously. So I really could care less about your friend’s stance on the matter. I’m Libertarian, Constitutionalist and Isolationist man, we’re never gonna agree on this one. Let’s just drop it already.

          • Bill

            The fact that he has no experience doing any of that, most of it doesn’t need to be done, he has no cogent policies, has surrounded himself with sycophants and toadies, can’t keep his own lies and half-truths straight and opens mouth before engaging brain.

            Like a dog whose finally caught the car he’s been chasing, and has no plans for how to drive it.

          • Minuteman

            Well, let’s give ’em the benefit of the doubt and see what he’s made of. Nothing can be worse than 4 more years of Democrat madness and war mongering. Because that is exactly what you get with the Clintons.

          • RSG

            Well, we know the other candidate would be up to her eyes in more treason and corruption on day 1. What I really want to see is her indicted, prosecuted and executed for treason. That would set a precedent and deterrent for those looking to repeat her treachery in the future. Let’s bring back “law and order”. America, love her or fear her.

          • Heretical Politik

            A weak United States is inherently in Russia’s best interest. They are not our friends.

          • Minuteman

            I don’t see why Trump being President would inherently weaken the US.

          • Heretical Politik

            I did not say that it would, I’m just stating that cozying up with Russia is like letting a snake in your bed. Don’t act shocked when it bites you.

          • Minuteman

            Look at that statement from the Russian perspective. I bet they’d feel the same way. Could you blame ’em since we screwed them ten times over? Be a sport…

          • Bill

            Because he is a complete amateur who, worse yet thinks he knows what he is doing, who just became the most powerful person in the world, with no concept of anything other than his own self-interest.

          • David Harmon

            Implying that anyone could be a pro at politicking…

          • Marcus D.

            2. We built most of the wall, but the computer systems that would make it actually functional never arrived and/or plain didn’t work. It was a boondoggle, which is shy we quit the project. 4. Pulling out of NATO would be an enormous mistake. Pressuring them to pull their own share is another thing. Russian pressure along the countries it borders is a real thing and there is only one way to deal with it. 5. Kicking Islam is a nonstarter; just as in any religious group, the fanatics are a minority. Islam is the world’s second largest religion, with over 1.5 billion believers. If the Romans couldn’t wipe out Christianity (and they were known for their cruelty), we will never “kick Islam’s ass.” Kicking ISIS’ ass is a different question, but again, this is a problem we should leave to the people who live there, other than supporting the only real ally we have, the Kurds. The rest of them hate our guts and take great pleasure in killing as many of us as they can. No matter what race or religion our troops happen to be, they are all Crusader Invaders. Although the current program is slow, it is the wiser course of action, if for no other reason that it may actually result in an Iraqi Army that doesn’t cut and run.

            If Trump did nothing but 1 and 6, I would be thrilled.

        • Jambo

          No man rules alone, not even our current president. If he really is as incompetent as some paint him, then all it means is a decrease in executive power from what we’ve seen in the last 20 years. I think this is a good thing. In either case, if he does turn out to be Hitler reborn, that’s why you have the 2A. I wouldn’t worry about it. We are used to things being bad, so it becomes hard to accept when things are good.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            His views on social issues are troubling. Not to mention his language.
            If I said those things as an eight year old my mother would have slapped me on the back of the head.
            Im hoping that he is simply taking a very strong early position as a negotiating tactic.

          • Bill

            Where things actually bad, or did he convince you they were? Unemployment was down, illegal immigration was down, violent crime was down, mean income was up. He sold the same old “good old days” myth, the myth of a time that never actually existed.

        • Bob

          congress (as in the house and senate) makes me nervous.
          If they don’t get off their collective a$$es, 2018 will be very bad news!
          They just demonstrated by selecting ryan and mcconnel as their leaders that they want “more of the same” !

    • Harry’s Holsters

      Agreed and a lot of those guy who bought under the guise of investment will end of taking their “bad investment” to the range and becoming gun nuts.

    • ORCON

      UID have you ever heard of Teddy Roosevelt? The Jingo movement surrounding Ted would make the most “patriotic” nationalist look like a pastel-wearing, limp-wrist by comparison. Do you even history, bro?

      • Minuteman

        T. Roosevelt was one of the greatest Presidents ever and one of my favorites. In random order: T. Roosevelt, FDR -less the NFA, but otherwise superb-, Jefferson, and Cleveland, who’s grossly underrated. That man was completely honest, highly intelligent and worked so incredibly hard for the common good of this country, to fight corruption and do good by the Natives.

        • ORCON

          Both Roosevelts were despots of different flavor, TJ was a hell of a guy and Cleveland could simultaneously write Greek in one hand and Latin in the other. What’s your point?

          What is up with people acquiescing to tyranny so long as it is their preferred brand of tyranny? Convention of States, please!

          • Minuteman

            Theodore’s foreign policy is questionable, I’ll give you that but domestically he was a class act. He effectively fought against the trusts, achieved many on behalf of consumers and established the national parks. He was fantastic! Same goes for FDR. Have you forgotten that he basically fixed the country, and actually worked(!!!) as opposed to the fool that preceded him? The only thing FDR is to blame for is the NFA, but other than that the man was a hero. Probably even the best US President ever in terms of legacy. The fact that he served 4 consecutive terms and consistently ranks as the chief with the highest approval rate alone attests to his greatness. I hold him in very high regard. He is loved and admired by many, even outside the US.

          • Brett

            HISTORY FIGHT!

          • ORCON

            You must be trolling me. Haha, you got me good.

            Both Roosevelts bullied the courts and the congress to mold the nation as they saw fit. FDR inflated the role of the Federal government in such an unprecedented manner that to this day we are still fighting the leviathan of his design. The New Deal is the plate of excrement that we keep getting served. The fact that FDR served 4 consecutive terms only lends to his despotism. Look at the Grocchus and how they misused the station of their offices.

            What is it called when one man can steer the destiny of generations of citizens? Tyranny, and tyranny by any other name will taste as bitter.

          • David Harmon

            FDR, talk about a man not being fit to serve.

          • Major Tom

            Someone has never heard of FDR’s Court Packing Scheme.

  • Sianmink

    Because of increased component costs, ammunition can’t get much lower (with the exception of some rimfire which is still a bit inflated) but firearms and accessories prices are going to plummet as they’re going to have to reduce margins to move product now.

    • John

      I remain unconvinced that ammo component costs went up for any reason other than the market could bear it.

      Someone please tell me differently?

  • Spencerhut

    It made me relax. I’ve just been chilling since about 2am on November 9th. My gun store in CA is still selling well since the commies running that hell hole passed all kinds of new anti gun BS in the last year or so. But the thought of Hildbeast ruining our gun rights and our country has been vanquished by The Donald. Long Live The Donald. (Just kidding if he gets all Hitlery I’ll be the first in line to rip him a new one.)

    • Marcus D.

      You may have relaxed, but there is panic buying going on in California for ARs and AKs because of the looming “assault weapons” ban beginning January 1, and panic buying for ammo because of Prop 63 (which goes into effect in a year) and a very similar state law just passed that would have banned internet sales starting this January 1.

      • Spencerhut

        Yeah I know, we are having trouble keeping AR/AK’s especially the receivers, in stock. We have another huge order of ammo on the way in. California will soon be the reloading capital of the world.

  • Guido FL

    I’m hoping these lower prices unfold soon because I refuse to buy at current high prices with AK’s costing more than AR’s. Ammo prices could use a reset.

    Trump 2020 !

    • Harry’s Holsters

      AKs will probably continue to cost more than AR15 as surplus is drying up. Unless the 1989 import ban is reversed which is the one gun control measure I don’t see being reversed I can’t see AK prices coming down.

  • Bill Jordan

    Everyone just remember the laws and import bans that Reagan and Bush signed.

    • John

      Yeah, I do.

      Let’s hope the new admin may reverse some of that… but I’m not holding my breath.

  • Disarmed in CA

    A 5-second sigh of relief followed by the agitation which is the state of California.

  • Pod

    I posed a question about ammo prices “back in the day” on a forum I participate in. Adjusted for inflation, one respondent posted that 1000 rounds of 7.62 x 51 NATO ran for about $244 shipped about 20 years ago. Now I understand it’ll never be that low, but it’d be nice to see things be somewhat cheaper.

    I got into guns during the second Obama administration (yes, I’m new…) so another novelty to me will be having a President who says he is pro-2A.

  • Minuteman

    Yep, Arsenal isn’t what it used to be.

    • iksnilol

      *sigh*

      Well, plenty of AKMs available tho, not legally but eeeh.

      • Minuteman

        The whole AK thing is becoming a problem child, I’m starting to get annoyed by it. Galil Ace isn’t all that either. YT aregularguy’s video on it. Plenty of criticism.

        • iksnilol

          Get an used one that was made when they were good?

          Build one from scratch? Though you need a hydraulic press for that.

          • Minuteman

            I think I’ll just stick to the AR-15 after all…

  • gunsandrockets

    What about the States?

    True enough, the results of the Federal elections should calm the gun marketplace and in the longer run even open up new avenues of production and consumption that are now closed or very tight.

    But in the short run pressure may come from aggressive anti-gun legislation in New York and California. Laws in those States are likely to get much worse over the next few years before Federal Court Action or Federal Legislation delivers any relief.

    Even aside from new legislation, expect some pressure on the 2017 ammunition market as Californians take advantage of the last year they have to buy ammunition before stricter law comes into effect.

  • iowaclass

    In this election, we have purchased our Second Amendment rights at the price of literally everything else.

    It is awful to think that this will turn out to have been a bad choice.

    It is even more awful to think that this will turn out to have been a fortunate choice.

  • Edeco

    There should be plenty to keep me entertained in the short term. I suddenly want a compact, single stack 357 Sig where before, due to ban-anxiety, I only wanted assault capacity guns in more ubiquitous chamberings. Shot Show 2018 is gonna be a hoot!

    Long run, I think we’ve been tamed, brought back in the fold, for cheap, and the squalid, wrangling status quo will go on for decades. I wanted better for us.

  • marathag

    Having shelves always having 22LR for sale would make me happy.
    Ecstatic if it goes back to 2006 prices.

  • Spear Fish

    I would be happy if they just took suppressors off the NFA. They need to approach it with the argument “It’s for the children, we have to save the children’s hearing.”

  • Ed Ward

    The Progressive, Liberal, Democrats HATE driving by an ‘In your face’ Firearms Establishment as it’s analogous to Dracula’s reaction to the Crucifix–for that reason alone patronize your local Gun Shops people!

    Nothing against the online behemoths as I frequent them as much as the next guy, but they will always do well as we now live in the cyber-commerce world >= brick & mortar establishments. Local Gun Shops MUST continue to prosper as they are as much a part of the ‘Americana’ we all know and love as Apple Pie & Chevrolet!

    • Ryfyle

      Would also help out to look way better than the rainbow squad? It’s hard to argue with handsome.

  • Phaedrus

    That would be epic! If we could get suppressors out of the NFA I’d be extremely happy.

  • Joseph Goins

    From a social standpoint, I see that a lot of minorities buying guns out of a fear that they will be attacked. I think that we should try to capture them and convert them from gun owners to gun lovers. A good bit of that depends on how we treat them.

  • David Harmon

    First, I voted Trump, and I am not ashamed to say it.

    Second, I have plenty of dry powder saved up so I can buy myself something nice when those price plummet. Looking to pick up a Form 4 transfer of a specific SBR from Daniel Defense.

    I love their new colors.

    Third, it will be nice to not have to hear Obama preach down to me ever again.

  • T Rex

    It will be interesting to see where ammo prices will go now that the existential threat of an anti gun HRC administration has been neutralized. I’ve been buying bulk 9mm & .223 ammo from LAX Ammunition for a couple of years at decent prices (not a steal but fair) when they have free shipping specials 2 or 3 times a year, but when I checked yesterday I found their LAX brand new and reloaded bulk ammo prices have been marked up significantly. Hopefully the LAX increases are simply the company spooling up for a Hillary win that wasn’t and not the result of some new liberal levy on out of state online ammo buyers by the People’s Republic of California. Time will tell, I hope LAX prices settle back to a decent level.

  • supergun

    President TRUMP rescind all illegal executive gun laws in the last 8 years.