Glock 17M Recall Update

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As many of you might be aware, we are keeping close tabs on the Glock 17M voluntary recall that Indianapolis Metro Police Department issued following failures encountered while dry firing the pistols during training. The failure that an unnamed source from within the department reported is that the slide of the Glocks was falling off the front of the frame when dry fired. IMPD wisely issued a recall of the 150 issued pistols in the interest of officer safety.

Since our last update, IMPD has taken all the guns back from the officers and replaced them with the outgoing Glock 22. The lot of pistols that was to be issued has been sent back to Glock and is currently being worked on by Glock staff.

Major Riddle with the IMPD sent me a quick update email as follows

Glock is working to correct the problem and we hope to begin issuing the new pistols as soon as December.

Teething problems are not uncommon when changing up a long-standing design like the Glock 17. When the Gen4 pistols were introduced there was an issue with the new dual sprung guide rod that resulted in the pistols not living up to the Glock reliability.  Even though the issue was fixed, the Gen4 still hasn’t been as widely accepted as Glock might have hoped.



Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and works in the shooting sports industry. He is an avid recreational shooter and a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially handguns and the AR-15 platform. Patrick may be contacted at tfbpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • TheWarriorWorkshop

    I am a huge Glock fan, carry one every day. I recommend Glocks to people all the time as a reliable, cost effective tool for self defense. But this is ridiculous. I get it if it was some obscure problem that revealed itself after extensive use…but a slide completely coming off the front end of a gun? Are you serious? R&D must be something taken very lightly at Glock these days. This is no different than the R51 being rushed out the door when it clearly was not ready. At least it wasn’t put into the hands of people that are counting on Glocks reliability to get them through the day alive…

    • yodamiles

      They did change the spring assembly, so that might be it. But yeah, for the slide to fall is a little crazy. Not a Glock fan, but I’m sure that this is individual defect cause during assembly or manufacturing process.

    • Kivaari

      It’s like new cars with redesigned steering linkage, that ends up falling off the car. Engineers need to learn that change isn’t always good.

      • oldman

        If it aint broke don’t fix it.

        • DrewN

          And don’t try and make it “better” either.

          • oldman

            Engineers tend to forget there is a law of diminishing returns after a certain point you are no longer improving something you are making it worse.

          • Hinermad

            I don’t know what the redesign of the 17M was supposed to entail (and it’s usually not the engineers pushing the improvements – it’s Marketing), but whenever you see “new and improved” on a package at the supermarket it usually means “cheaper to manufacture.”

          • oldman

            True but I have never met an engineer or designer that did not want to tinker with there creations.

          • Hinermad

            You’re right, to a point. But a design as old as the 17 has usually had all the engineering fun mined out. Most engineers I know (including me) would rather work on something new.

          • oldman

            I can’t argue with you .

          • Bill

            Right. Ask S&W about that one.

          • BigFED

            True, but how could it be “cheaper” to produce a multi piece unit (recoil spring guide rod) that that old one piece (guide rod, spring, Jesus clip) unit or the even older ones that didn’t have the Jesus clip, just the rod and spring?

          • Bill

            Yep. It’s like that one extra tap with the hammer that drives the pin in too far to remove.

        • Badwolf

          +1000. That’s why I never bothered with cars. I do all my travel by horse.

          • Longhaired Redneck

            Have you tried those new titanium/carbon fiber composite tactical 🐎 horseshoes yet?

          • Bill

            I remember the old black ceramic shoes. The heat from the trails made the glue fail and some of them came off.

          • Vanns40

            Why I remember when I was a boy we didn’t have horses to ride to school, we had to walk in the snow two miles every day. We didn’t need shoes because we didn’t have feet either!

          • Tothe

            Horses? Don’t be extreme. My own legs work just fine. If god didn’t want us to use our feet, we wouldn’t have ’em in the first place.

      • Giolli Joker

        Many times Engineers do their stuff right, then their designs face a cost control commission and some other choices are made.
        In this case however it seems more of a QC issue: mechanically these guns are just the usual Glocks, if something is wrong might be related to improper assembly and the fact that the final testing (QC) was taken care with no particular worries and attentions as they “are just the usual Glocks”.

        • Bill

          Yeah, but how does one improperly assemble a Glock?

      • Joel

        I doubt that the engineers instigated this change. More likely, some small group of people within a large customer threw their bureaucratic weight around. But, they remain nameless.

        Glock will fix it and should have avoided it. But those who demanded the changes were part of the problem.

        • Bill

          Kinda like what happened with the original M-16?

      • Bill

        But that’s how they stay employed!

    • RegT

      Quality control is what has been taken lightly. It is supposed to catch what wasn’t dealt with in R&D.

      • Humpy

        Being a retired Q.C. Specialist, I can tell you we are limited by the amount of time, and money, the bigwigs from above let us invest.
        It always comes down to money, and it seems too many major manufacturers try to cut corners, and they will keep on doing it until the consumer decides not to buy that product anymore.

  • Dickie

    Wheres the update. Nothing new mentioned here???

    • Scott Tuttle

      nothing worth mentioning anyways. they were sent back to glock, go figure.

    • Glock finally admitted there was a problem.

    • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

      The guns are back at Glock and we have a projected reissue date.

  • Joel

    Would like to see a list of the special snowflakes who had to change a proven design to a new, far less tested one. But, they are likely remaining anonymous while the good faith supplier takes the hits.

    Tomorrow you will be issued a pistol. Would you rather have one that’s been tested, debugged for years or one that is brand new and made it through a smaller battery of tests?

    • terminalbrd

      The list starts with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The 17M, if I recall correctly, was originally designed to give Glock an entry that met the requirements of the FBI’s solicitation for a new issued sidearm (it’s actually a two pistol package, a full-size and a compact).

  • DanGoodShot

    During dry fire training huh? I do realize the seriousness of this malfunction. With that said, I would have fell over laughing if I was there when the first one did that. I’m sorry, that is something straight out of Looney Tunes!

  • Joseph Goins

    Consumers shouldn’t have to beta test products, especially when the product is necessary for their survival.

  • SerArthurDayne

    I got my first self-owned Glock in earliest-Jan ’10 — came home , talked about it on the forums, was told that Gen 4 was just about to come out, I could have waited and got one of them…. man was I pissed…so pissed! BUT… I soon came to realize…. “Glock Perfection” is generally accepted to be defined as “Glock Gen 3 Perfection” — and truly means what it says. Now I have since purchased a Gen 4, actually a G27 Gen 4 BFG, which is an amazing little flamethrower itself. But I think most “reasonable and objective” people would agree, if you could own ONLY ONE of these for say duty, HD, or SHTF/going into a survival situation/etc. Gen 3 would get more votes than Gen 4. THAT SAID, Would I like to own the newest neatest Glock, sure. Does it look like this “newest neatest” really is all that new and neat? Not really. But still, hey, we can’t keep waiting for that Glock 1911

  • Tim

    Nice how a major city PD with a high violent crime rate is the Beta tester for a major firearm manufactur.

  • Maxpwr

    Yes, indeed. This story is a “Major Riddle”. I wonder how often a major firearms manufacturer issued a brand new firearm to a single Midwest police department for evaluation. If I was Glock and wanted a beta tester I would have put them on double secret probation in case something went wrong like this and avoid bad press. Wonder why G&A and other magazines haven’t reported on this story yet.

    • Dave

      This isn’t a T&E batch of guns or a beta test of anything, these are purchased production guns issued as duty guns.

    • Bill

      I don’t. Lobbying isn’t necessarily confined to the halls of politics. If I had a dime for every gun I bought and learned to hate based on some fawning gunzine article I’d have…well, it wouldn’t be too much cuz I’m always broke, but you get the point.

  • Logan Fink

    Sounds like the slide release is in backwards. I really hope it’s something like that. It would be the funniest thing to happen in 2016.

  • Kivaari

    Glock needs a Gen 3.5, a Gen 3 spring with the adjustable grip panels. I bought one Gen 4, liked it except for that spring system. When I pick up glocks having the complex spring systems, I just go back to my old ones. They weren’t broken, and didn’t need fixen’.

    • J.T.

      The new spring system was mainly for the .40 S&W guns, which were known to have issues when lights were attached. The problem was that they made the change on all guns instead of just the .40s.

      • RegT

        With lights attached, the added weight affects how recoil drives the whole slide assembly, even though the lights are not attached to the slide. Just as many semi-auto shotguns develop issues when you add a SideSaddle shell holder or similar additions to the weapon. Hence a need to modify the recoil spring strength in order to deal with the increased total mass of the weapon with light attached. And some lights – like some of the Surefires – are significantly heavier than others – like Streamlights. The difference in weight doesn’t have to be extreme, just more than a certain amount based on the physics of mass vs recoil impulse.

    • RegT

      Again, I’ve had my G30 with the double recoil spring for over ten years, with absolutely zero issues after over 5,000 rounds. I sincerely doubt that the recoil rod/spring is the issue here, but I haven’t seen that particular model of 17. It is much more likely that there is an issue with the take-down slide release than with the recoil spring.

  • Did Glock get bought out by Microsoft or something? A company has to be above a certain size before they can get away with using their customers as beta testers.

    • John Wisch

      Nah, Glock is copying Ruger.
      Every new product or model release needs a recall before it is retail ready.

      • Humpy

        And Remington

  • RantGirlRants

    I’m from Indy, and I think I know several members of the IPD. I think someone at IPD forgot to inform Glock that they are used to buying equipment from ACME. 😉

  • Tom J

    What problems did this model solve, that were present in the Gen 3’s and 4’s? I can see the grip is different, but beyond that, why did the police department choose an updated design, versus just buying stock guns from Glock?

    • iksnilol

      Well, they wanted a flared magwell, so obviously they changed the front end of the slide and recoil springs.

      • john huscio

        Button rifled barrels as opposed to polygonal too….. these new glocks should be theoretically more accurate.

        • BigFED

          Now, if they solve the problem of the shooter being able to hit a barn door…. Only then would the matter of button or polygonal rifling be an issue!!! All these are damn excuses for poor shooting abilities and are laughable. Hi-bore axis/low bore axis, finger grooves/no finger grooves, NY trigger/standard trigger, flared mag well/non-flared mag well, etc, etc!!! All a bunch of crap excuses for POOR SHOOTING SKILLS!!! Those are issues for when at the range, not on the street!!! They rank right up there with “the wind was blowing the wrong way”!!!

          There are those that can shoot regardless of how bad the gun and there are those then can’t shoot regardless of how good the gun!!! Yes, there are limits, but with ANY quality gun they don’t apply. Just like the golf pro that overheard some duffer say that he could do better if he had those magic, custom clubs. The pro took the mans clubs and still beat the man badly. It ain’t the equipment that needs tuning until the man gets tuned!!!

          • RegT

            In our academy (many years ago) in San Diego, we had a gal who claimed her S&W issue revolver (that dates me, doesn’t it?) wouldn’t shoot, that it was “broken”, because she couldn’t hit the target at 15 yards. The old range master looked at her gun, took the grips off of it, reloaded it and held it _upside down_, with his pinky on the trigger. He fired all six rounds into the center of the target, opened the cylinder, dumped the brass, and reinstalled the grips, then handed it back to her. “Works just fine,” he said.

          • BigFED

            It only “dates” you if the revolver was single action, cap and ball!

  • iksnilol

    I find it funny people defending Glock by saying it’s a T&E version or something. But these were production items bought.

  • Critter

    having watched as a couple of Gen 4 springs self destructed in a magnificent fashion, I’ll just stick to my Gen 3’s, thankyaverrmush.

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      Was that recent production, or some of the earlier production?

      • Critter

        was early production. just me being contrary.

  • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

    Ha! The only problem is it wont work, they moved to a coil spring.

  • Paul Franklin

    Seems recalls are the norm these days. Rush to production, rush to the stores, or end users. Is it all about the bottom line ? Maybe . I’m sure Glock will fix the issue .

  • Bill

    So if it ain’t broke, fix it till it is?

  • BigFED

    There are untold thousands of Gen 1 and 2 guns with the old polymer single piece recoil guide rod out there STILL running like new!!! The original Glock slogan was the simple word “Perfection”, so how the hell did they “improve” on THAT??? I have a Glock 23 (from when they first came out) that was working just fine. It was even BEFORE they went to the “captured” unit, just a spring and guide rod. I got a wild hair and decided to “upgrade” it with a titanium, 1 piece rod from one of the “name” (still in business) companies. Just the rod, no spring, nothing else! I couldn’t get through a magazine without a feed problem. Put the “old” rod back in, never another problem! “Change” does NOT always mean “improvement”!!!

  • On the other thread about these new pistols, I made the standard joke about “Glock Perfection, the updated version” and some troll got his panties in a twist.
    Looks like I was right.

  • BigFED

    There is a company (I won’t name it for two reasons, 1) this is not an endorsement and 2) I don’t remember the name) that manufactures a parts kit that uses old Gen 1 and 2 recoil spring, guide rod, and some bushings to replace the newer recoil system.

  • robert57Q

    Glock Imperfection. Now there’s a catchy new slogan.

  • Richard Lutz

    The U.S. Navy SEALs recently adopted the Gen3 Glock 19. What more needs to be said?

  • Zebra Dun

    The slide falling off the front of my pistol always scares me!

  • Repoman3737

    Maybe the slide coming off was intentional. After you fire your last round you have one last chance of stopping the criminal by shooting the slide at him. As a last last resort chuck the frame then the mag at him… that’s some out of the box thinking by glock…