BREAKING: Glock 17M Recalled By Police Department

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It looks like the new Glock 17M pistols are already experiencing some teething problems with the design changes. There are reports that Indianapolis Metro Police Department has halted issuing the new duty pistol due to problems during dry fire training. The recall comes after the pistols were supposed to be issued on July 31st, but delayed till August 15th due to unknown problems.

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The Firearm Blog’s source within the department declined to be named and only spoke on the condition of anonymity about the problems. Our source stated that the slides were falling off during dry fire training due to a potential issue with the recoil spring assembly and/or the slide lock. IMPD has recalled all issued Glock 17Ms to include the one that TFB was leaked photos of due to the problem.

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Once all the recalled pistols are back in IMPD’s hands, they will be sent back to Glock so that they may find a solution to the problems the new Glock variant is experiencing. At this time there is no indication as to how long the new duty weapons will be out of service for repairs.

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We have not received any more information about the flawed recoil spring assemblies at this time. TFB called Glock to ask for comment on the recall of the pistols and response at the time of publication. We also called IMPD’s media relations team, they have not returned our request for comment about the recall either.

My initial impression is there is a flaw with the slide lock springs, and the issue should be easily correctable. We shall see what happens in the coming weeks. I hope they identify the issue quickly so that these officers can get their new sidearms.

Phil Note: I recall many years ago our just issued Glock 17’s were recalled. It took about six weeks to get them back in service.



Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and works in the shooting sports industry. He is an avid recreational shooter and a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially handguns and the AR-15 platform. Patrick may be contacted at tfbpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • Sean

    Glock perfection. *snort*

    • Malthrak

      It would appear these are early production T&E guns if I’m not mistaken. Minor issues with things like new springs arent unexpected, and is exactly what Glock would be looking to find from such early trial programs…

      • Dave

        slides falling off is not a minor issue because of T&E springs….

      • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

        No, these were the general issue guns.

        • Sean

          Love the YouTube show by the way!

        • Malthrak

          I would ask then what is a PD doing handing out guns for general issue that still haven’t even been officially acknowledged as even existing, much less officially launched, by the manufacturer?

          • What possible difference could that make? These are just for the police and possibly military not the public.

          • James Young

            Let’s see…they sent a Glock 17M, never been fielded by any other police force or military or the civilian market. As a police officer who is likely to have to draw his gun on any given day…would you feel good about being the guinea pig?

            Or you could just go with the Glock 17 that you’ve carried for years that has been tested by everyone.

          • The FBI tested these I understand and standard procedure for any PD is to get a few of these and have the range officers as well as a few patrol officers test them at some point before purchasing them.
            I wouldn’t be comfortable carrying something my PD hadn’t tested. Somebody will always be the first and in this case at least they found the problem before anyone had to use their duty pistol.
            The last pistol I chose for our PD was ten years or so ago and the H&K USP got the contract when compared and tested alongside 5 other entrants.

          • Core

            Sounds like a good choice. The USP is a workhorse. I m not sure which models the Britts used but they hated them because they looked so old. But they functioned flawlessly. I don’t think they were as nice as the USP. Aside from the SEALs/Navy HK USP being .45 auto, they were fantastic pistols. If they were 9mm the younger generation would have loved them I’m sure. Your PD is very fortunate.

          • supergun

            They got 380 backups in the Glock 380Ms

          • PaC SGM (R)

            Someone has to be first to field it.

          • James Young

            Yeah fine. As long as it’s not me.

          • Malthrak

            Do we know for sure they’re never going to be made available for sale to the public? Glock generally shows Leo/MIL weapons on their website that aren’t available to civilians (e.g. G25 & G28) in the US. If these pistols aren’t being announced or launched at all, it’s likely they aren’t final production models.

          • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Could it be because it is poorly tested and doesn’t have a proven track record? Seems like a Bengazi type difference to me where people could die. A difference I care about.

          • Dan

            My LEO glock works just fine.. What the make the M model different

          • Mike Lashewitz

            Now you sound like Hitlery… Nice sarcasm….

          • Dave D

            Malthrak – just because the general public is not aware of the model being released, does not mean the model doesn’t exist or isn’t acknowledged. Rather this is a military/police only model at this time. Very common practice in new model releases.

          • Malthrak

            That may be, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a fully finished product either. Glock makes firearms that are LEO only, but Glock’s website still gives full details on them (such as the .380 25 & 28 models).

          • Dirty_Old_Madman

            Plausible deniability. Couldn’t be one of ours, they aren’t in service yet.

          • Mike Lashewitz

            Where have we witnessed this before? Oh that is right, in Viet Nam with the POS M16.

            Nothing like being a guinea pig under live fire situations.

        • Billy Jack

          Thanks for the clarification

      • Sean

        I guess I just assumed that if a company has been working on the same basic gun since the late 80’s, quality control issues would be fixed by now.

        • Malthrak

          Any new product can have quality control issues no matter how similar to existing products. This one is so new it hasnt even been acknowledged as even existing yet by Glock, you cant find a “17M” on their website. As such is the case, weird things can’t be pointed to as some sort of widespread endemic issue with the manufacturer.

          • Sean

            Oh, I think Glock in general makes good, reliable stuff. However, in my opinion, if that Glock reliability is the only real selling point of your gun (not innovation, capacity, value, or ergonomics), then you better knock it out of the park every time.

          • Malthrak

            I would agree that they need to knock it out of the park every time for that reputation, but if they havent even officially announced much less openly launched this gun yet, I’d still consider this product beta testing, and as such, issues that arise shouldnt really be held against Glock yet.

          • It’s not for public sale so no need to announce it.

          • Malthrak

            Glock did so for other models not available to civilians, you can find info on the G25 & G28 on their website despite not being able to buy one if you’re not LEO/Mil.

          • Ben Pottinger

            Their not available to civilians *here*. In fact I believe they are the *only* models available to civilians in some south American countries. I also suspect it will only be unavailable to civilians initially. The modern gun buyer now days has very little patience for LEO only models unless you have a very good excuse (open bolt, full auto, etc). You have to realize it’s only been released to a single PD and it’s technically the design the FBI requested, yet it’s not even general issue at the FBI yet (an agent I know is still carrying his G23).

          • john huscio

            Even after 30 years, Glock is still at or near the top of the heap as far as capacity and value are concerned. Not too many striker fired pistols out there with more than 17 rounds standard capacity for a service pistol…valuewise they are right inline with everyone else or below them……. the thing they got most right the first time was the size/firepower/weight ratio….. they hit the golden mean of pistol size and nailed it the fast time out.

          • Sean

            Hmmmm…I’d argue that the competition for Glock has largely caught up. S&W M&P’s, Springfield XDm’s, Canik TP9’s and any number of Sigs offer similar (or superior) capacity, product offerings, and price points.

            Let’s put it this way: Glock was absolutely the first to this market and good on them, that’s not nothing. However, if they came out 10 to 15 years later (alongside their current competition) I’d argue that they would be nowhere near as popular as they are now. It’s like Apple: being first is great but you can’t leave it at that, you have to keep innovating.

          • Nope H&K was first using polymer.

          • Sean

            Did I say “Glock was the first polymer framed pistol ever?” 🙂 Of course there were other polymer guns before. Glock was the first to mass produced and adopted on a large scale. That’s “the market” I was talking about. Yeah, HK made stuff earlier but they werent popular: they certainly didnt create the market of affordable polyner pistols like Glock did.

            There were other cars before the Model T, but it was the first to be widely accessible and bought.

          • You said the first to this market. The first our PD chose was the Glock 17. The reason given was the Glock 17 cost $289 per unit with 3 mags and support, extra parts and sending someone to the armorer school. My choice at the time was the SIG 226 but it was thought prohibitively expensive.

          • Sean

            Dang, that’s a good deal! Still, 226’s are pretty awesome.

          • iksnilol

            You have to account for inflation, that’s probably more than a 1000 dollars in todays money depending on… ahem… how old Phil is.

          • nicholsda

            P226s have never been cheap but they are a good firearm.

          • John Swinkels

            I had one cause i thought it was spunky. Soon sold it for the following reasons,way to many levers and options,barrel was way to high to the axis of your hand gave unnecessary recoil. then came glock mag release and slide release is about all my little brain can handle in a stressful situation.

          • John Swinkels

            If you really want to wet your pants,get a HK in .45 with delayed roller lock.Why did they ever discontinue one of the best fire arms i ever had the privilege to man handle.

          • Ben Pottinger

            Is it fair to exclude cost as a relevant variable? If you can get the same reliability, and the same performance wouldn’t price be the next criteria? I guess I wish it wasn’t for me personally, but it makes sense for a government agency using our dollars. I’d say if glock can make a high performance high reliability handgun for 300$ then good on them. HK can’t seem to do better than about 500-550$ for one of theirs (if we consider pilot pricing similar to PD pricing).

            Sure if I had unlimited funds I’d buy a Ferrari over a GTR even at 3 times the price and almost no performance difference (and probably a large reliability deficit) but if I needed to meet cost/performance/reliability markers then the GTR would be the obvious winner (well as long as the cost metric allowed for a 100,000$ car, lol)

          • LarryNC

            Not successfully though. The VP70 was horrible. And do you really think that they won’t be selling the M models to the public?

          • Holdfast_II

            Caniks are fun, but not duty weapon quality. In just a few hundred rounds my mag catch spring came out and my red cocking indicator fell off, never to be seen again.

          • Sean

            Well, that’s a bummer for you, for sure! Which model was is, just out of curiousity?

            I know that Canik has military and police contracts: their TP9 series is even built to ISO 9001 standards, which is pretty hard to get.

          • john huscio

            Police contracts in turkey….. they wanted an indigenously produced pistol for themselves with a convenient supply chain. Not sure what selection standards they have for themselves (ISO standards pertain more to the manufacturing facilities themselves than the products that come out of them) but the coupleTP9s I’ve handled didn’t really impress me like it apparently has their paid reviewers on YouTube…

          • Sean

            Well, to each his own. Luckily, you’ve got lots of options in this catagory!

          • Ma} {

            ISO is largely a gimmick.

          • Sean

            Got a citation for that?

          • LarryNC

            Agreed. It is about the money.

          • Machinegunnertim

            That’s really odd, I have one and a friend bought the SA model at the same time. With hundreds of round through them there hasn’t been a single issue. All of the youtube video reviews I’ve seen reflect that as well and the factory test them to 60,000 rounds. I’d say they are every bit duty worthy.

            The SA in not the first gen it’s the second model that was introduced when the gun went through a major overhaul. Which one do you have?

          • LarryNC

            It looks like a P-99 clone to me, not a PPQ.

          • Up Yours

            Apple is a brand. The manufacturer is Foxcon.

          • Sean

            Apple is a company. They’re responsible for the design.

          • Machinegunnertim

            There are actually several service style striker fired pistols out there with more than 17 rounds standard capacity. 18 rounds for the TP9, the Caracal F, and 19 for the XDM and probably a few more i’m not thinking of.

            I bought my Caracal new for $375 and the TP9SA for $300. Both have been perfectly reliable for hundreds of rounds and have a far lower recoil impulse than the Glock. I’ve also seen M&P’s and Ruger SR’s for much lower than the Glocks recently. The value is definitely not in line or below other offerings.

          • leatherneck111

            May I remind you ALL other manufactures who were laughing and calling Glock Tupperware have all jumped onto plastic receivers. Innovation❗Dual stack mags in an era where signal stacks ruled. Capacity❗ Priced cheaper than some in same category. Value❗ Changed grip styles from straight to ridged finger grooves. Ergonomics❗

            Yep I believe Glock is the ORIGINAL that other manufactures wish to emulate❗

          • Machinegunnertim

            They emulated for a time, then moved on and started improving their designs. But Glock is still producing the same old design from about 33 years ago.

          • Gunner4guy

            Well, obviously they have a design that has weathered the years. I carry a G19 from one of the first shipments to reach my area(VERY low S/N…!) in the mid-80’s & right after they were put up for public sale. It fits my and my wife’s hand very well(she has small hands while mine are…bigger). I’ve tried other/newer designs and there always seems to be problems with balance, fit, QC, etc.
            My local SO decided to go with SIGS in .40 S&W or .357 Sig(deputy option) roughly 10 years past. Three years ago they dumped them for Glocks in 9mm. Repairs, parts, service, etc. were big reasons…. also deputies scores on combat courses went down, even those who shoot well. Plus, a couple of OIS incidents where the Sigs didn’t fare well(malfunctioned, perp didn’t stop even with center-mass hits, etc) kind of tilted the scale towards the Glock.
            My agency went to G17’s 5 yrs ago. Everyone loves them whether on the belt or thigh rig(our SERT unit). We dumped the S&W’s we had before-they were crap….state-wide they were more trouble than they were worth( a BUNCH of OIS’s where they didn’t work among other things). So, right now all of our state agencies use the G17 GEN3 in 9mm or a Sig in .45ACP but the Glocks out-number the Sigs by 10 to 1 as far as general-issue weapons. HAS to be a reason more than cost.

          • bmstylee

            If the grip is so great why are they the only one using it? The only things you see with that angle are the Ruger Mk series of pistols and antiques like the Nambu and the Luger. The finger grooves are great if they fit your hand.

          • iksnilol

            If I ever emulate Glock in firearms design… I might as well just jump off a bridge.

            If I ever emulate Glock in marketing and sales? Well, I’d be busy sniffing cocaine of a person paying for college through not-socially accepted means whilst driving my Bugatti on the racetrack that is on my Yacht.

          • LarryNC

            LOL

          • LarryNC

            Glock ergonomics suck!

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            That’s not going to stop anyone from going on about how the M glocks are utter garbage now for the rest of eternity, like they still rant and rave about Gen4’s because of problems they had for like the first year they existed.

      • john huscio

        I’ll withhold judgment till the FBI starts returning them.

      • Billy Jack

        So this was a trial. I read that the end-users were dry fire testing but it sounded like Glock had delivered product ready for the street. If it’s just in testing this isn’t that big of a deal.

    • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Yep, trust your life to Glock perfection

      • LarryNC

        I trust my gen 2’s and gen 3’s. But they will never fit the hand the way a Browning Hi Power does.

        • iksnilol

          And the newer mags do hold 17-18 rounds as well.

  • PeterK

    2 things:

    1) this is probably not wholly unexpected by anyone
    b. this is probably why glock makes so few changes to these things

  • Billy Jack

    Any new product with multiple parts can experience some initial bugs. Not the first Glock with problems. That cutting edge is sharp.

    • Dave

      Glock hasn’t been on the cutting edge of anything for decades. The fact they let this escape the factory on a gun with so few and minor changes shows it pretty well.

      • john huscio

        Some of the changes (different barrels) were pretty major

        • Some Guy

          I’m not sure how glock manufactures their barrels but my guess would be that the change in the rifling has (or at least should have) little to no impact on the external dimensions of the barrel, to include the locking surfaces.

          If the difference in the pressure curve due to the new rifling pattern is sufficient to induce malfunction what does that say about how the guns will wear?

          To me the indication that glock ceased giving a damn about their product is in their failure to fix their injection molding process to get rid of the pignose. Sure it doesn’t effect function but if it doesn’t speak to an attention to detail that I’d trust my life to.

          • dc

            It says nothing about how it will wear. The defect occurred during dry firing as the article stated.

          • john huscio

            I’ve heard some speculation that a third party (Krieger) is making the barrels.

        • iksnilol

          How is that relevant if the exterior of the barrel is the same?

    • TVOrZ6dw

      Slides fall off? That seems a little more than a bug to me.

      • Russ Kell

        Its a feature.

        “Patented Glock QD Slide Assembly”

        • Anonymoose

          Beretta patented that in the 80s! Glock stealing features from everyone else, as usual, I see (HK VP70, Browning Hi-Power, M&P, etc).

          • Russ Kell

            Now here I thought that was a really innovative idea to use your slide like an atlatl when you ran of ammo.

          • Anonymoose

            Ran out? Oh, no, it happens much sooner than that.

      • Billy Jack

        Is that the definite problem? It wasn’t stated when I replied.

      • Billy Jack

        You have a link to more details? The above just says spring problem still.

      • DanGoodShot

        Thank you. That part seemed a little glazed over to me. Frankly, I find that to be a pretty major issue. Call me weird. I’m sure its an easy fix non the less but how did that make it out of the factory?

    • Sean

      Yeah….but this isn’t really new. Glock hasn’t tried anything new for a really long time. This sort of thing just shouldn’t happen with a company as risk averse as Glock.

      • Billy Jack

        They changed the size of internal components. That makes it new. I’m kinda surprised though. I doubt it’s parts out of spec. You’d think they’d have been testing a lot. Did secrecy prevent them from testing adequately? Even though Glock has been solid on most models they let some stay less than perfect for awhile. That was also with a gun the FBI used.

    • truthsayer

      The problems also speak to the old aphorism: “Better is the enemy of good.”

      • Billy Jack

        Well, you see sir. I have this brand new titanium laser guided mouse trap. It’s much more humane than old wooden traps and the height of twenty first century technology. If you have a few minutes I’d like a chance to show you how it works.

    • James Young

      That’s what happens when a product isn’t tested in the civilian market first

      • Billy Jack

        Doesn’t seem like it was tested in any market until now. Hopefully it was a bad product run and not a sign they’re outsourcing to Taurus.

  • Sig Sauer P320 anyone?

    • Big Daddy

      That’s the gun I though all the agencies and the DOD would buy. I love my Glocks and not the SIG but the SIG is a better gun from what i have seen of them.

      • Sean

        Sigs are just the best, no contest.

        • john huscio

          SIG is at their best making heavy metal framed pistols….. unfortunately those are going the way of the dinosaur… at least as far as cops and military are concerned…. don’t have anything bad to say about the p320 other than its bigger and heavier, thus less concealable than glocks…….

          • Sean

            Hey, heavy guns shoot good! lol unless I’m carrying a rifle, ammo, and 70 lbs of gear, I’ll take the extra ounces.

          • There is just under a 4oz difference in weight between the P320F and the Glock 17.

            And there are no significant dimension differences either, with the biggest difference being that the P320 is 0.22″ wider, everything else is with in 0.1″.

          • dc

            4 ounces is an 18 percent increase in weight, which pretty much kills the SIG’s chances for a .mil contract.

          • Actually it is 15.8% unloaded, and 12.4% loaded. And I highly doubt that a 3.98 oz weight difference is going to kill it on the MHS contract. As with exception of Glock all the other pistols are in the 25oz range.

            If they go based on previous contracts more than likely the Army will set an upper weight limit, and award points to any pistols under the upper weight limit. It remains to be seen at what point it will be, but typically to prevent protests it is something that most pistols can meet.

          • dc

            Well time will tell. I don’t think SIG has a chance really. It will either come down to Glock or H&K, with maybe S&W having an outside chance due to its partnership with General Dynamics. The rest just don’t have the juice (except for FN but its pistol will never make the cut no matter who they know). SIG fantasizes itself as a military supplier, but that’s more marketing than reality. The added weight gives the .mil all the excuse it needs to eliminate it.

          • SIG is a military supplier they came second in the M9 contract, they supplied the SEALs with 226s for over 30 years, the M11 (and now the 229) was used by a variety of purposes in the DOD, and they have a contract (that they won through competitive bidding) to supply the MCX uppers to SOCOM.

            Glock only has the SOCOM pistol contract, which didn’t involve competitive bidding due to the small size. Outside of the XM8 fuster cluck (which I am not counting since it was canceled) Hk also has only had small contracts too, typically not involving competitive bidding.

            Out of the likely contenders in the MHS only FNH and Beretta has more experience as a military supplier than SIG. Hk is in fourth by a wide gap.

            The only thing you stated that is correct is that if they go exclusively by weight than Hk and Glock are at the top. But I doubt they will go exclusively by weight.

          • dc

            Lot of SIG fans on here, I’ll say that. Glock sells more pistols to the Government than anyone else. That requires a high level and effective lobbying group. Anyone who thinks the Government just buys the best, is an idiot. Those lobbyist will hit the .mil. The military hasn’t just been buying Glocks for special forces, either but also large quantities for our “allies” in the Middle East, which has certain implications. Believe it or not, I don’t care. I’m stating my opinion, time will tell. H&K has been on the upswing getting the M27 contract for the Marine Corps. That’s a big contract. Beretta, despite being a long term supplier seems on the out. SIG has never managed more than a few hundred pistols here or there over the past 30 years. Coming in second in a contract bid is no different than coming in last.

          • Lobbying will actually hurt the company doing the lobbying because it will invalidate the test results and the GAO can require the contract to be rebid again. Our laws require a fair impartial test, now you can lobby to get the test canceled, and often there is lobbying behind the scenes to keep things going. But lobbying can not affect the test or else there will be room for protest.

            The FMS pistols are different from selling to .gov, and SIG has gotten a share of those sales too.

            And how many pistols has Glock and Hk sold in that same 30 year period to the military? A couple hundred for Hk. A few hundred for Glock. The last contract SIG NSW contract in 2011 was for $5M over 5 years, which works out to be at least 5,000 pistols. In the last year alone SIG has received in excess of $6M in government contracts.

            The idea that SIG isn’t a military supplier is hilariously wrong.

          • James Young

            I’m sorry, did you say it will come down to Glock or H&K? There is no way the army is going to pay the 50% (or 30% or whatever) more H&K is going to charge on their VP9. The Army is focused on three things:

            1. Price
            2. Features
            3. Performance

            If there’s a Glock with a thumb safety, they’ll probably take it, or S&W’s M&P because it has most of the features they want, it’s ergo, and it’s cheap.

            Third, and least important to the Army is performance…

          • MemorableC

            The vp9 isn’t duty ready anyway, MAC did some simple testing and just getting it wet makes it fail.

          • iksnilol

            You can’t trust Mac’s testing of it. a bunch of others tested it and found no issues, whilst he get’s one that doesn’t work. Statistical anomaly and all.

          • John

            Ya know…a slingshot is only about 8oz!

            JK, but seriously, I have used most polymer guns to some degree and it just “feels” better to me shooting the Sig P series (I know, OLD school). They are heavier and bulkier but shoot as smooth as glass. The Glocks shoot OK for me but I just don’t want to shoot it them after a few magazines. If given the choice, I would op for the heavier gun as long as concealability was not an issue. The 320 shot about the same as the G19 for me but I thought the quick change capability of the 320 was fantastic.

          • LarryNC

            And I hear that the P320’s have really nice triggers.

          • AirborneSoldier

            Striker fired. Giving the peeps what they want.

          • iksnilol

            But Glocks are square… literally square. That prints as well.

          • AirborneSoldier

            Still love my p250 for edc, my 1911 scorpion, and my small m938. I used to love my XD pistols, still do, but i am better with the SIGs.

        • John Bach

          H&K’s are even better

      • john huscio

        Trigger is probably considered too light for issue…

        • Billy Jack

          That would seem like an easy modification to make buyers happy especially with a large contract.
          I’d have guessed it was the way they call the internal component the firearm and swap out frames instead of grip sections.
          Isn’t ability to meet demand a component of the contract? Could Sig meet their supply reqs on their schedule?

        • I doubt that, the P320 has a minimum factory trigger pull weight of 5.5lbs, which is the same as a stock Glock.

    • Kivaari

      Gen3 Glocks work just fine. So did Gen 2. After the recalls about 24 years ago we didn’t have issues with the G17 or G19. Glocks are not perfect, but most of them really shoot well.

    • John Bach

      That’s what Texas State Police are issued with Hornady ammo.

  • Big Daddy

    Are you sure they weren’t limp writing them. What is the sarcasm font?

    • Rodney Jenkins

      hahaha

  • kmschaefer

    I think you meant to say the problem is most likely with the slide LOCK springs. The slide stop is the lever that locks the slide back on the last round or when you want to hold the slide open.

    • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

      That is correct. Even in the armorers course I took I kept getting them mixed up.

      • kmschaefer

        I had one pop off for that very reason after I put it back together. The slide flew off when I pulled the trigger and hit the floor.

        • William Johnson

          I have seen a Glock 21 do the same thing on the range, we christened it the “amazing disassembling Glock”.

  • Kalash

    Glock perfection?

  • Greg T

    Do you mean the Slide Lock spring and not the slide stop (slide release) spring?? I dont think the slide stop has anything to do with keeping the slide on the frame.

  • Dickie

    Why are the beta testing them with officers lives. The chief should never sign off on something like that

    • I don’t know how we can be more clear these are regular issue duty guns and they are not T&E guns in any way.

      • DonDrapersAcidTrip

        Where did he say they weren’t?

        • Dickie

          Exactly i meant they should be using a proven weapon.

  • Nathan

    If the slide lock is on backwards the ide comes off with a dry fire. Probably an assembly QC issue. And 60 second fix.

    • steveday72

      You would think the part would be non-reversible. Remington recalled the gen1 R51 because of reversible parts.

  • Looks like a simple fix.

    To all those “what do you expect it’s a glock” tards let me show you the recall letter I have from Springfield armory regarding my xds. You know. The “it can fire when loading” and “it can double fire” recall…

    • iksnilol

      Can…. can we see the recall letter?

  • retfed

    If you’ll recall, a few years ago the Indiana State Police had problems with their new Glocks (I think they were 17s; I could be wrong), and dumped them all. They then became the first large agency to issue the Sig P227 (quite a difference).
    Maybe Glock has it in for Indiana.

    • john huscio

      Gen 4 21s

      • retfed

        Thank you. That makes sense.
        I remember ISP authorized a bunch of personally-owned guns, all in .45, in the interim between dumping the Glocks and adopting the Sigs, but I couldn’t remember which model of Glocks they had (and dumped).

        • Gunner4guy

          Not sure the exact model(actually think they were G22’s/G23’s) but all the rest of us have/had the 17’s w/o any problems since approx. 5-6 yrs ago. Personally, I like the G19 (low s/n GEN1) which is my fav with my P99 a second choice for concealed carry. However, a neighbor is assigned to be a floater unit and he’s said the Sigs aren’t for all, many prefer the SF Glocks in .45 but their opinion apparently didn’t count……

  • A bearded being from beyond ti

    That was quick

  • Shane Gibson

    What do you expect? It’s a Glock. They always break. All police departments should issue colts SIG’s or M&Ps

    • retfed

      Which Colts?

      • ostiariusalpha

        The 2000 All American, of course. 😆

        • Longhaired Redneck

          Then every cop would have to carry 2 or 3 spare extractors. I wouldn’t want to have to change one in the middle of a gunfight! Come to think of it, one was enough. I don’t ever want to do another. I guess you might call that an “Indiana reload”…

          • retfed

            If their 2000 All American breaks, they could go to their backup Double Eagle.

    • Dan Atwater

      All guns break.

    • john huscio

      Break like the M&Ps with burst barrels LASD had? Or the ones the Belgian federal police had that couldn’t make it through a mag without FTFs?

  • yrsued

    This reminds me of the Gen 4 Guide Rod Recall.

    • Billy Jack

      Much smaller scale though

      • yrsued

        Much, MUCH smaller scale, but still sucks for them…

    • n0truscotsman

      I see they have that same stupid double spring recoil system from the Gen 4.

      Really unnecessary IMO.

      • yrsued

        I’m not a fan, but after it got recalled when the Gen4 G17 came out, it works OK!! You know you can put the old system on with a $5 Bushing from Lone Wolf!!

  • Disarmed in CA

    I told you it was too dangerous for California!

  • KestrelBike

    Just like with Abraham and his son, Gaston is testing us.

  • RetroG

    I saw a Glock slide lock fail during a class. Surprised the hell out of everyone to see the slide go zipping off the front of the gun.

    • Rob

      Not unheard of. It was a failure that was addressed during the Glock armorer course when I took it.

  • Stephen Paraski

    Had that problem with a G 21. Back of spring assembly was not engaging “Slide Stop”, had to pull guide rod with pliers to engage.

  • M&M’s

    User error guaranteed.

  • Michael Gary Spight

    Anyone have gouge as to why Glock went back to a single cross pin? They haven’t had that since Gen 1…possibly Gen 2. But, this would appear to be a simple fix. Also noted in the third picture from the top…wonder why they obscured the left side of the recoil block…unless the pistol serial number is on there?

  • FelixD

    Pat,
    How do you know the recoil spring assembly is flawed until after they investigate. Have you handled the gin in question?

    • He’s a Glock armorer so he was simply stating what he thought the problem could be given the information supplied to him.

      • FelixD

        So, we don’t know if its flawed then and he has not handled that pistol. Thanks.

        • We can only go on what a large PD, Glock armorer stated. As far as handling that pistol ourselves no it’s an issued duty pistol and even asking would be out of line.
          We do have plans to handle and fire one from a source before very long at all.

  • peter

    SIG P320 is eating Glock’s lunch. this is one of so many incidents like this that Glock has continued to do their best to sweep under the rug. My LEO buddies and I deserve better…. my off duty and on duty gun has become the P320

    • MCN88

      Actually, the SIG isn’t eating Glock’s lunch or it would have won this contract.

      • Rob

        Exactly. I always find it comedic when someone criticizes a company and brings up Sig as an alternative. If you want to see teething issues look at any new product from Sig.

        I have heard from a few people that Sig did not pass testing.

      • Bill

        Not if it costs more it wouldn’t have. Bring back the Beretta 92D Centurion-problem solved.

  • Joel

    My Gen4 models run very, very well.

  • Treuer Wolf

    If these were issued as duty weapons, what kind of testing was done in house by Glock ? This is not the “Glock Perfection” is it ? 😉

  • Joseph Goins

    I didn’t know Glock made the R51. Glock perfection, indeed.

  • Anonymoose

    “Breaking”

  • retfed

    These kinds of goofy QC screwups happen once in a while. When the G19 was new (early ’89), a bunch of the agents in my office bought them, and they all had problems with them. (I no longer recall the specifics.) I bought a 17 and never had any problems.
    It turned out that in late ’88 Glock let a run of bad 19s out of the factory. A bunch went to dealers, and a bunch went to DEA. Guess who got taken care of first.

    • Gunner4guy

      You’re a touch off on the year. My late wife and I both bought G19’s in Nov. 1987. Both are stock except for extended slide releases & still running w/o any problems but ANY company can have problems when you make major changes for agencies that seem to want them YESTERDAY rather allow adequate T&E time.
      Lots of folks ‘say’ they like the Springfield’s but in my neck of the woods that’s all you seem to see is used XD’s or other SA models for sale, often for close to pennies on the dollar. Reasons given are: fit, balance, QC, size, shape, accuracy – not nec. in that order. I don’t hate Springfields but they don’t ‘feel right’ for me or my current spouse — she ‘grooves’ on my P99 or the Ruger LCR I got her so the other G19 is now one of the house-guns…..

  • Bill

    Meh. My Gen 1 21 was “recalled,” maybe my 19 also, for some issue when they came out. It was a simple fix. All tech has teething problems.

  • DanGoodShot

    Did.. did you say the slides are “falling off”?? As in, dropping to the floor, off the frame? During dry fire? Yeah… that just might be something you’d want fixed.

  • guest

    Let me guess how this develops:

    – Glock makes a gun, says “gun is fine”. Whole words uses Glocks, confirms that gun is indeed fine. No f***ing changes needed.

    – Police/FBI think they are smarter than the f***ing prodigy of handgun design, so they ask for modification of questionable value for some reason. But why of course, we are the law which means we know best. After all, who do these austrians and and millions of stock Glock users think they are? Change everything!

    – Gun stops performing like the original, they most probably complain saying “why is gun not fine?”

    How stupid can people get?

  • Harold

    Why is the slide falling off a problem?

  • Kefefs

    I like Glocks, but do they not test their new designs before putting them on the market? First the G36, then the Gen 4s, then the 42 and 43, now the 17M… I’m starting to think that they don’t come up with new designs very often because they don’t really know how to do so.

    Everything that isn’t a standard flagship double-stack pistol with the standard guts seems to need a public beta period before they figure out how to make them work.

  • 3 wheeler

    New model…Old issue.

  • 1911a145acp

    GLOCK Perfection! Say it ain’t so! Where is the independent confirmation or second source for ANY portion of this article!?

    • One did not want to be named the second was a high ranking officer in the PD. We require two sources on anything like this story.

  • Buckshot67

    The G19 is perfectly fine service pistol as evidenced by those who use it. Why they went with a untried 17M I dont know..Sigs are good guns…but the simplicity of the glock has its merits, and weight is a issue. Sigs have their own reliability issues, as do Glocks..but they are few and far between for both of them. The bottom line is it depends on what you prefer-both guns are equally suitable…The absurd “no plastic guns” argument is old, outdated and debunked. Pick the one that feels best to you and use it.

  • petedoc810

    The new Ruger American might be a better choice as a service pistol. American company, excellent service and they would have given you a statement by now.

    • Bronson

      I just took a class with someone who was using a Ruger American. By the second day only two out of his five magazines would function reliably. Something happened to the followers and they would no longer stick up as far as they should causing malfunctions. He said that this was the third time he’s had this problem. He did say that Ruger’s customer service was good, but he wasn’t happy that $40 magazines are so prone to have issues.

      Also, who cares if Glock didn’t issue a statement to TFB? This pistol isn’t being sold to the public so the only people they need to be in contact with about the problems are the police departments.

  • burns

    The gen4 19’s had a problem with the recoil assembly at first also. But they fixed them, I own one and it is just like the rest of my Glocks, it just works.

  • Robert Kruckman

    HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT THE NEW GLOCKS AND FBI GLOCKS ARE 2 PIN,

    • MaxPower515

      Yes, yes they have

  • FormerSFMedic

    Forgive my ignorance but why would anyone request changes in the operating system of a Glock 17? Out of all the firearms on the planet why would you even touch the operating system?

  • Wolfgar

    I had two Gen 3 Glock 22’s with defective slide rails on the frames that broke. I sent both pistols back to Glock. They replaced both pistol frames but I had to pay for shipping which Glock did not reimburse me for. They did give me a couple of Glock stickers. They should have paid all cost for their defective handguns. I read that there rails were not heat treated properly. This may be a similar problem.

  • MaxPower515

    My big question is why did they put slide stop cuts on both sides of the slide? Doesn’t seem right.

    • Longhaired Redneck

      Ambidextrous slide releases.

      • MaxPower515

        No, I know why did it, but I’m wondering why chose to cut both sides of the slide. There are many companies that have provided ambi slide releases without cutting both sides. When you have both sides engaging with slide, you have to have both disengage perfectly. I feel this may cause an issue in the future.

  • Martin

    Honestly, it’s a firearm. Also, it is a duty sidearm. There should be absolutely no flaws or need of recall by the time these are in the hands of servicemen and women. I say Glock failed big time on this one. Obviously their testing was either not thorough enough or was never even done. I’m pretty sure. Slide stop issues would’ve been found if they had done proper testing. Honestly, a firearm with that kind of an issue, even if supposedly corrected, I would not trust my life with. Just my .02

    • Gunner4guy

      Or….. knowing some of the folks on IMPD, it might be a training issue. There are some who I would not trust behind my back with an empty wpn…. sad but true.
      I’d wait until the jury comes back on this one since we’re not getting all the info and this is too new a situation.

  • David Firman

    maybe they should use stronger plastic…

  • supergun

    Sig Sauer is the best for police.

    • uisconfruzed

      Ford is best for tires.

  • Kurt Ingalls

    ….this weapon has a trigger housing pin , but not a locking block pin????????

  • MarcoPolo

    I wonder how they do their dry fire. Dry fire on a Glock tends to not be fun (fire, rack slide a little, fire, rack slide a little). Curious if they use a use an aftermarket resetting trigger, or matchbook trick, or…. ?

  • medbob

    I have a Taurus that has a similar spring arrangement. There is an issue because the larger spring is not “beveled” so that the bottom is flat, the spring end pops out and causes slide freezups.
    Looking at the Glock spring, it doesn’t look like the larger spring end is flat….

  • Sasquatch

    Oh the Glockanazis are not going to like hearing this.

  • WRBuchanan

    Much ado about nothing. The little spring that holds the Slide Takedown Catch up (Shown in the third Picture) is probably weak or not heat treated right. It is about a 5 minute fix on each gun to replace that spring. That is the only thing that could cause this problem.

  • gooms

    Should have went with CZ’s….

    • Cottersay

      Yes!!

  • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

    You must have read the tags.

    • I didn’t until I read your reply. Great minds think alike? 😛

      • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

        I had to go back and watch it again. It makes me happy.

  • n0truscotsman

    Glock, reinventing the wheel again.

    Really sad.

    My proposal for the Gen 5: make it like the older gen 3s.

  • Jon Hammett

    So nobody at Glock dry fired any of their test guns? Or even tested any of the production guns? Really?

  • uisconfruzed

    “the slides were falling off during dry fire training”
    That sounds really bad.

  • candiduscorvus

    These agencies buy Glocks because they are cheap. If they’d stop being so cheap…

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Not to worry, Hillary will ban guns from the FBI and Police; as all they do is kill people with them . . . .

  • Tony

    Is that grip smaller in circumference with less of a hump on the back strap?
    Or an optical illusion because of the lack of finger grooves?

  • BigFED

    Ironic that many of the first and second generation Glock’s are still running with NO problems. It all started with the “new” multi-part recoil spring!!! There was NOTHING wrong with the two piece recoil spring/guide. I had a first generation M-19 that ran just fine, but I wanted to “improve” it so I replaced it with a titanium guide. Had all sorts of FTF/FTE. Went back to the OEM, run and still running!!!

    I point out that the Glock original “motto” was one word. “PERFECTION”, so how in the helll did they improve “PERFECTION”??? If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!!!

  • Randwulf

    Sounds like the exact problem I had with my early 1st gen 17 that I got shortly after they hit the market. Took it back to the dealer and have never had one since. I don’t hate them though and I’m sure mine was a fluke as I know way too many people who own flawless models since then. I mostly haven’t got another one since then due to how they feel in my hand and not wanting to pay for a custom shaping job. I’m still not sure I fully trust that the gen 4’s are fully bug free. I agree with other posters that I’m surprised an agency would field a model that has had changes without extensive testing first.

    • Bill

      I used to have one of the very first Gen 1 17s to come to my state that fired two and three round bursts right out of the Tupperware. I picked up one of those rework kits that armorers got from Glock back in the day and it never did it after that, but I can imagine what would have happened had I fired it next to an ATF agent…

  • Merrill

    Could it be user error, pressing down on one side of of slide take down. I work at a gun range and see that most problems are user related.

  • Dirty_Old_Madman

    If they are anything like Springfield they will take three months but will come back with a larger magazine to appease those without a weapon for sooooo long.

  • Core

    I heard the slide on the new Navy model adopted by the SEALs literally has over the beach capability.. Couldn’t resist.

    • Bill

      Secondary projectile?

  • SemperFlyBoy

    I think we need to wait until someone who is not “anonymous” and is qualified analyzes the problem and its cause and reports back. Meanwhile, we should resist spreading early “widely accepted conclusions”. Maybe all Glocks are screwed up; maybe it’s just one.

  • dltaylor51

    If i have to carry a gun because my life may be on the at anytime there is no way I’m going to let someone else decide what gun i carry,the dept.should be able to pic the caliber but the gun choice should be left up the the guy doing the packing.There is no way I’d carry a Glock if I thought there was even the slightest chance of being involved in a shootout.

  • Connie Ring

    Glock, crock! How about supporting a great American company like Ruger? No one makes a more reliable gun. (I don’t work for Ruger)

    • Mac

      It is strange that more Rugers are not adopted by the police and military.
      From what I’ve seen they make very good stuff.

      • Bill

        Except a lot of people still remember Bill Ruger’s sellout with the Brady Bill. I know I do.

  • RPK

    There are fanatical Glock owners who swear by them as the best firearm ever made. Loyalty to a product line happens. I get that. However, based on a career spent in law enforcement, I would NEVER trust my life or that of my partner to a Glock. They are overrated.

    • Mac

      I spent a career in law enforcement as well and we never had the slightest problems with our Glocks. Have you ever even shot one ?

  • Mike Lashewitz

    This is not giving me a warm fuzzy. What happened to Glock “Quality”?

    • The Concerned Conservative

      It (the quality) was never there. Glock just sells cheap pistols…BUT a lot of them.

      • Mike Lashewitz

        No Bersa sells cheap pistols, Rock Island sells ‘cheap’ pistols.
        Glock sells expensive pistols that are cheap. Even at blue tag prices.

        I had a Glock once. Supposedly a first issue ceramic undetectable. I liked it back then.

        I sold it because my daughter needed something…

  • Glock Guy

    This a sad day in Glock history my friends.

    • Mac

      Why ? This is not an indictment of every Glock ever made.
      It’s like saying the Edsel proved that every Ford ever made was crap.

  • The Concerned Conservative

    Another piece of crap pistol from Glock. When you buy cheap you get cheap.

    • Mac

      How are they “crap” ? Lots of elite forces have carried Glocks for years with no complaints.

      • The Concerned Conservative

        Name one “elite” force (other than Austrian Secret Police) tat carries glock non full auto pistols…and LEOs don’t count.

        • Mac

          Okay,
          The Shin Bet in Israel,
          Royal Dutch Marines,
          French Naval Commandos,
          Belarus Anti terror forces,
          Greek counter terror forces,
          All branches of the British military including the SAS.
          Swiss FKS-17, ARD-10
          US Navy Seals
          German naval commandos/ clearance divers.
          Greenland Defence Forces.
          US Marines SOC
          Denmark special forces
          Brazil special forces

          So, 13 that I know of off hand.

          And since you don’t consider police SWAT or Special Response units to be “elite” I’ll leave out the scores of units that carry Glocks including US Marshals, etc.

          I have a question for you: have you ever fired a Glock or owned one ?

          • The Concerned Conservative

            300 – 500 rounds between 9mm and .45ACP. I have fired several Glocks in these calibers. Cheap piece of crap, IMO. Shooting a Glock is like driving a Chevy Nova…yes they both work, but there is no joy or pride (false price excluded) in ownership. My SA XD(m) pistols, and my Canik and Sarsilmaz pistols from Turkey – are all better quality and more accurate than Glocks (which are plain, run of the mill crapola). Heck, both my Tokarevs and my Makarov are more accurate than the Glock with its idiotic grip angle and high bore axis. Owned a Glock? Never…with ONE EXCEPTION…the Glock long slide 10mm.

          • Mac

            High bore axis on a Glock ? The bore axis on a Glock is one of the lowest found on any modern combat pistol, period .

            Tokarev and Makarov are more accurate than a Glock ?
            You are full of crap. Not one serious competitive shooter has ever used a Tokarev for any reason.
            If the Tokarev and the Makarov are so superior then why does not one single modern military unit or police unit use them as standard issue ?
            All your ridiculous comments just prove to me that you are a keyboard cowboy just trolling for attention with absolutely no trigger time whatsoever.
            You hang on to your video game delusions sonny.
            But hey, in two hundred years, both your Tokarevs could be worth at least $50.

          • Mac

            I doubt you have ever fired any rounds whatsoever.

          • The Concerned Conservative
          • Mac

            No princess, you’re the troll. have mommy make you some cocoa, it’s bed time.
            Maybe tomorrow, at school, you could ask your school guidance counselor why you’re such a tool. Don’t cry too much.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75b642c3511e1260688794c3dbff216b4fea5027011e0274adb238e1fb4fac2d.jpg

          • Mac

            Say, is that “long slide” 10mm crowding the gerbil in your lower colon ?

  • Mac

    So, what was wrong with the original G17 ? There is no indication that the original polymer recoil assembly needed to be changed. The old 3rd gen guns ran just fine.

  • Oldgringo

    My son carries a Glock 21 on duty and shoots just fine. But his bug is not a Glock. He also travels around with a AR -15.

  • AirborneSoldier

    Wonder if our guys were firing +p or +p+ or other variant that Glock never accounted for . Unlikely, i know, just curious id that could affect a slide spring or other internal bit.

    • Mac

      I have an idea that the new dual recoil spring is a tad too big to operate without interfering with the two take down tabs which are very close to the fat part of the recoil spring. The old polymer spring was much smaller.

  • Lou

    Glock perfection !!!!! Nothing made by man is perfect and to claim so is foolish, but to believe this claim is even more foolish. I bought a S&W Shield some time ago that would not fire even once without a malfunction. It would not go into battery after every shot.
    Also to call any firearm a POS is also foolish. Glock’s are not a POS and also S&W’s are not. Every gun manufacturer has problems. To call any firearm a POS is to give the gun control people reason to ban them all.
    Some may call the cheapest firearm a POS. BUT some really poor man can afford nothing more and you are calling his weapon a POS. This is NOT building support for firearms but working for the enemy ( gun control). Our only hope of victory is to recruit more firearm owners. Only those who own firearms will fight for the 2nd amendment. We should support ALL firearm owners that follow firearm safety.
    I never met a gun that I did not like. ( not really but close) They all have something interesting about them, even those that were not the best.
    If we are not going to act like lovers of firearms then who will ?

    • Matt Wilder

      I gave my wife my old Hawes .25 Auto for Christmas to get her into the pistol game. She was not pleased…haha. And I guarantee you, you wouldn’t like it either!
      Honestly, I think the custom box I made for it for her is worth more!

      All joking aside, she did appreciate it, and even a cheap small caliber pistole is better than no pistole at all. But, she’s getting something much better this year. No pregnant wife of mine is going to go armed with nothing but the best we can afford. OR, I can buy a new 1911, and give her my P38; she seems to be fond of it, and shoots it well.
      Yeah, yeah, I know, I’m a stingy jerk..

  • Mike

    They should have went with Sig P320s then the slide wouldn’t fall off!

  • SickandTired

    GLOCK 17M The “M” Stands for MYSTERY!!

    • Matt Wilder

      What, it doesn’t stand for “MINE” broke already!?

      Rather, “Meine” Pistole brach!
      Or as I’m sure some officers exclaimed with lament, “Miserable” piece of crap!”

      • Bill

        I think the M stands for Mulligan, as in Skinny, Gilligan’s friend. Wasn’t he the one who was always getting into situations nobody else could?

  • Ben Enjerry

    Nice to see Glock go back to using a single cross-pin through the frame/locking block/trigger. I’ve seen too many Glock frames crack above the second locking block cross-pin.

  • uisconfruzed

    More cow bell!

    • supergun

      You misspelled cow sh**.

  • “The Stranger”

    How did 1 gun much less 150 get out the door in the first place…?

  • Bonzaipilot

    Sometimes the newest and greatest isn’t the best

  • Dan

    Glock had it right with 2and 3. They could not leave well enough alone..

  • Mac

    So you delete my comments because they disagree with one of your pets ?
    How juvenile.

  • CavScout

    This is what happens when you haven’t engineered anything for a long time.

  • Bill

    Just look at that spring. Muffler bearing, anyone?