InRangeTV: Mosin Mud Test

In this installment of InRangeTV, Ian and Karl put the Mosin Nagant 1891/30 to the test. The rifle, as stated in the video, has developed quite a following due to its affordability and availability of surplus ammo (that is getting harder to find these days).

So how will the Mosin fare? Will it demonstrate that bolt actions are less susceptible to mud and debris than self-loaders, or will the wheelbarrow-born goop defeat the humble Nagant? Check the video to find out.

 

Also, here Karl makes the right choice when selecting a battle implement.

 

**Spoiler**

The garbage rod performed about as well as you would expect a bolt action to after dumping a gallon of Arizona mud on it. Honestly I expect most of its peers to have about the same performance, with the exception of one or two rifles that were designed with mud and sand resistance in mind from the get go (like the Arisaka rifles with the dust covers or Siamese Mausers). I would also expect the Lee-Enfield to perform a bit better due to it locking at the rear, and the receiver being sealed a bit better when the bolt is closed. Some say that the Mauser’s biggest advantage, it’s large and robust receiver ring that allows strong frontal locking lugs, is also its biggest detractor: dirt and debris can enter it with relative ease.

I very much look forward to when Ian and Karl do this with other WWI bolt guns.



Alex C.

Alex is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and Director of TFBTV.


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  • gunsandrockets

    For safeties sake, couldn’t the bolt have been closed on an empty chamber?

    • Anon

      Then how would you know if the “Garbage Rod” could even get one round off?

  • gunsandrockets

    Of military bolt actions, I’m betting on the MAS-36 for the best mud test.

    • I bet it would do pretty well, but I think they are sticking to a WWI theme.

      • Brick

        I wonder how the M95 will do with the straight pull.

        • Spencerhut

          I have one, no way in hell I’m letting someone pour mud in it.

        • I plan on getting a beater Schmidt-Rubin K11 and a beater K31 and dunking them in mud 🙂

  • Micheal Unrau

    I wold almost guarantee that at least a large part of the issue in opening the bolt would be friction in cocking piece at the rear rather than at the front. if you manually cocked the firing pin again the force needed to open the bolt reduces substantially.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    So you take a rifle that wont feed and cycle and add mud… I guess to see if it still wont feed and cycle?

    • ostiariusalpha

      It fed and cycled fine out of the mud, at least, as much as you can reasonably expect from a Mosin.

      • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

        Yeah they’re not that bad, but I’ll still probably never own one. I mainly just wanted to troll the moon fanboys.

  • Joshua

    Hopefully he does more WWI rifles. I still find it interesting the AR is the only rifle with a perfect record on this test.

    • The_Champ

      1895 Winchester ran like a champ. MAS 49 also ran pretty damn good.

      A fellow on YouTube subjected an SKS to a similar test and it ran half decent as well. Better than Ian and Karl’s AK.

      • Joshua

        I’ll have to check them out. Just found out today they had done the P08.

  • GhostTrain81

    In Soviet Russia, rifle dumps operator in mud.

  • m-cameron

    heres an idea…..how about you stop wallowing in the mud with your rifles….then we wouldnt need to do these stupid “tests”…..

    unless im being chased by the Predator….i really cannot foresee a situation where i would be slathered in mud and then immediately need to use my rifle.

    • LCON

      In combat, $&*# happens.
      In particular this all started when Ian, Commented that if he could give any modern weapon to the doughboys of World war 1 he would give them AR15’s. The Trenches of the Western front of WW1 were more bogs and mud wallows then fighting positions with Notorious mud cakes and no real ability to escape them other then charging the line.
      of course Ak fans chimed in to Ian and Carl broke out the wheelbarrow, the Johnny, a shovel with both a AK and a AR for some mud baths. They got an unexpected result where the Ar Worked and the AK jammed… So now I guess they are out to trial other weapons and disprove myths.

      • Dave

        But you just don’t let your weapon get that bad in reality. Just more tacti cool crap on utube.

    • 11b

      These are infantry rifles, and in the infantry you are generally always in the mud. It’s interesting to see how these rifles, designed for military use, fair in the worst case scenario. Not everything is about you or what you care about; stop watching if you don’t like it.

      • m-cameron

        if you are a soldier and are wallowing in the mud……you suck as a soldier, and deserve to have your weapon jam…….there is really no excuse to have your weapon in such a condition

        • Tassiebush

          Heaven forbid someone would use cover

          • m-cameron

            what cover requires you to be in several feet of mud?

          • Tassiebush

            Doesn’t have to be several feet for that impact but I would suggest warfare is full of examples of muddy environments like trenches, shell holes, irrigation ditches, muddy beaches, swamps, riverbeds, creek beds, wheel ruts and probably rice paddies at certain stages of cultivation. It’s not that it’s a constant presence in all conflicts but if someone needs to get low and there isn’t much cover there is a reasonable chance mud will be involved if things aren’t dry. Beggars can’t be choosers with cover nor can they take their time. Also remember that this might be during the night when slips and falls are likely and it’s also worth noting how many major wars involved hastily trained conscripts.

        • Sgt. Stedenko

          You’ve never taken incoming fire have you?
          Cover is the first available position, regardless if its a mud hole, latrine ditch or human body.
          Somebody watched too much teevee and plays too much COD.

          • m-cameron

            haha, if only you knew “Sgt”…..hardly a “kiddo” and never played COD…….but what ever makes you feel more vindicated…

        • politicsbyothermeans

          Presumably the Rangers and 173rd guys who jumped into Harir Valley suck as Soldiers? Maybe a Soldier who doesn’t know how to quit and has to wade through a muddy ditch while chasing insurgents deserves to have his weapon jam? Maybe these guys living in an effing mud puddle have no excuse?

          • m-cameron

            oh god, quit with the dramatics……

            ” oh, my uncles best friends cousin died after his gun jammed in mud, you jerk”…

            spare me…

          • politicsbyothermeans

            No dramatics here. You made a series of demonstrably and hilariously incorrect statements. Pictures speak much louder than your keyboard commando trolling. Speaking of mud, it seems like all you can do is sling it. Do you have something useful to say or are you going to rely on logical fallacies and statements that you can’t possibly back up? Can you explain how any of the Soldiers in the pictures I posted suck, have no excuses or deserve to have their weapons jam?

    • The_Champ

      I can’t speak for mud but on my deployment to Afghanistan after being in the rotor wash of a Chinook helicopter the inside of my AR(with mag in and dust cover closed) had about a half a handful of that baby powder fine Afghan sand in it. Dunno how well it would have fired if I’d needed it immediately.

      The point being soldiers can and will run into these worst case scenarios in the field. They might not be common but they are relevant.

      • m-cameorn

        sand is one thing…..being packed full of cement like mud is something entirely different….

        • Andy

          Sometimes stuff happens. I’ve seen it happen in Iraq and Afghanistan, people fall in canals, holes, drop weapons off moving vehicles, etc. We are out there day after day in all weather conditions and wearing a lot of gear, physical and mental fatigue take their toll on coordination.

    • Ceiling Cat

      Vietnam War, WW1, WW2, every specops in the jungle ever…
      But we all know you are just trying to defend your commies made craps :^)

      • m-cameron

        im not defending anything……i hate the mosin…..i think its an overpriced/ overhyped piece of crap honestly…..

        i say this about every mud “test”…Ar15…AK47…Glock….Hk…S&W….

        it stupid and only serves to garner youtube views…….using it to evaluate firearms is foolish…..and not indicitive of any real world situation….

        “oh but i might end up in some mud in the real world”…..no…..no you wont….not to that extent, and if you do….you are doing something SERIOUSLY wrong….

        • Alex A.

          We probably won’t be falling into mud with our weapons. But the testing isn’t about that. It’s about putting anecdotal accounts and conventional wisdom to the test and contributing to the collective intelligence of humanity.

  • Ed

    I’d still take a Mosin over a Arisaka any day! Look at the piece of crap Alex tried to use in his video a few weeks ago.

    • ostiariusalpha

      That was potentially an ammo problem with the SP bullets he was using getting snagged on the feed lip. There are more than a few old milsurp rifles that only like to work with projectiles similar to their original military loads. My Krag-Jørgensen will feed spitzer bullets mostly okay, but it much prefers round nose bullets; many Krags will have nothing but problems with spitzers.

  • Thus far, only the AR15 and the 1895 Winchester have passed the InRange Mud Test of Doom. So it’s not like the test is impossible to pass.

    • ARCNA442

      You forgot the P.08 Luger.

    • Bub

      USA, USA, USA

  • Richard

    Brace yourselves… The mosin fanboys are coming

  • UnrepentantLib

    Definitely curious now as to how the Enfield, the Kar98k, and the MAS 36 will fare in these tests.

  • Finnish garbage rod best garbage rod:

    http://i.imgur.com/jxqFd6T.jpg?1

    So, it is apparent to me now that I’ve actually watched the video that probably the biggest obstacle to opening the bolt is the gunk that is caught in the cam at the front near the receiver ring. That sludged up that cam, preventing the bolt from unlocking at all.

    Mausers work the same way, their cam is just at the back…

    (Rifles that do not have an exposed cam include turnbolt Lees, the Type 38 and Type 99, The Best Bolt Action of All Time MAS 36, and, oddly, the Mannlicher-Schoenauer. Doesn’t mean all those will pass a test like this, but it’s still interesting.)

  • Ceiling Cat

    Funny how these tests busted the biggest myths made by financially challenged gun owners and commie wannabe.
    And now some are even crying that “Why do you crawl in the muds with your rifle?”
    Just remember what they said before these tests were conducted. So much tear and salt being harvested.

    • De Facto

      Well, keep in mind that the AR was designed as a sealed system specifically to pass tests like this. I suspect an FS2000 would pass with flying colors as well. Where I doubt the AR would fare as well is in long term usage tests without cleaning – similar to what is encountered when on prolonged patrol, or are in a combat zone.

      Regardless, I like combloc rifles because they are cheap and reliable within normal operating conditions. I think most consumers that use them fall in that category. I would love to drop $2k on a FS2000, but until I am someday a rich man, I’ll enjoy plinking with my SKS. I’ll just keep it out of the mud 😛

  • John

    I want someone to take a Barrett and put it through the mud test.

  • Bob

    The need to bash the bolt open and close shouldn’t surprise anyone who has experience with Mosin Nagants, but the mag locking up surprises me. Interesting.

  • HKmaster

    I’d be interested in seeing how their FG42 would hold up. It seems like the rifle is sealed up pretty well for the most part.

  • Cmex

    The thing is there are other Mosin tests which show different results. John Lee’s, IV8888’s, and Clint Northwood’s all show the Mosin performing better than shown here.