New Live LE Firearm Training

Training

Action Impact Gun Range in Eastpointe, Michigan has a new training program for law enforcement. It uses live (stand in) suspects and real firearms. Rather than use simunitions and paintball masks, Action Impact is using some sort of mirror to reflect the image of the suspects.

 

It is an interesting concept for a more dynamic type of training. This could help greatly with the OODA Loop.



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  • Mark

    Whoa! Made me jump.

  • Bill

    Pepper’s Ghost. Sort of.

    • raz-0

      It’s tightly stretched aluminized mylar film. It’s a clever low tech training mechanism. The whole setup probably costs less than a simunition gun, much less feeding it.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Haven’t priced Mylar sheets, but UTM barrels and ammo are not expensive.

        • raz-0

          100’x50″ is about $30. A couple folding chairs and some tarps suspended from the range rigging.

          Its cheap.

  • crisara772

    at first i was like “this will be some sort of fancy tactical training to measure with reactive human targets displayed in a mirror…what a waste of mirrors¡
    after seeing the video i find this one of the most clever training solutions i have seen…what a jump

  • Nicks87

    I don’t think dropping to the ground is a very effective tactic but at least he reacted at all, I’ve seen officers just stand there dumb founded while being shot with sims during force on force training.

    • iksnilol

      You sure the officer in question wasn’t a terminator?

      • Nicks87

        Lol, no because they complain about the bruises left by the sims and then call in sick the next day.

        • iksnilol

          YOU FOOL! You knew the terminator’s weakness all along and you stayed silent?

          We could have defeated the terminators in two days if we just equipped everybody with simmunition. Do you realize how many convoluted and silly timelines we could have avoided? 😛

    • JumpIf NotZero

      That’s why I feel that UTM/Sim training is slightly more effective than this.

      The pain. It’s one thing to use the live ammo for feel and sound, and the mirror/mylar is clever. But, it’s the pain I won’t forget from force on force training.

      It’s remarkable to see the target and instantly at the same time you feel the impacts. I was hit twice in the groin my first scenario before I ever had a chance to yell. That type of thing stays with you.

      • Nicks87

        For sure, when somebody is hiding behind a door and you walk past them and they jump out and light you up with an MP5, you learn really quick to start checking behind doors.

  • Darkpr0

    This is a really good idea. Anyone can punch holes in paper, but how many CCWers do you know that would hesitate, even for a half second to point their gun at a living human even knowing they’re hostile? That half second could be deadly, and this training helps remove that impulse. I like.

  • hking

    That is really cool. I really want to know what they are using for the reflective surface that isn’t going to be cost prohibitive. I wonder if a similar effect could be achieved using a projector and HD cameras with each “side” being in different range bays, the backdrop material likely being cheaper to replace than a mirror.

    • m-cameron

      looks like mylar….the same stuff they make space blankets out of…..stuff is pretty cheap

  • Christian Blachford

    This is where I did my Michigan CPL training, and he was very big on “get off the X” even for people very new to firearms. Long class, but worth it.

  • politicsbyothermeans

    This is reminiscent of some training I saw where an overhead projector was used to project live images onto a very taut sheet. Great idea!

  • Martin Grønsdal

    One day a dude will walk up to that mirror to polish it; bang!

  • Fruitbat44

    Interesting. Dim and distant memory of reading about the SAS using some of mirror in “The Killing House” to give the effect of engaging live targets with live ammunition.

    While no system of training is ever going to be perfect. I suppose this one has the edge over simmuntions in the fact that role-players are dressed in street clothes and not in protective clothing. And it has the advantage over video systems in that it isn’t pre-programmed and the role-players can tailor their responses to actions/speech of the trainee.

  • Groovy Tenex

    Video cameras can be incorporated to review afterwards. This can be a great training tool to help guide shoot/no shoot scenarios. Strong roll players are key.

  • Joe Schmo

    The suspect on the left has his vape in his hands and ready to use…

    That seems like justification to shoot, but I’m not sure…

  • USMC03Vet

    I wish Chris Farley was still alive because I’d love to see his fat guy in a little plate skit.

  • rob in katy

    I can see the guy spinning around to get away and jacking a round off into someone standing behind him.

  • AD

    What’s the advantage of using “real bullets” if you’re not shooting at anything? Why not just use blanks? Is it to preserve the realistic handling of your weapon? Because this particular training simulations doesn’t really seem to be about shooting skills so much.

    • SF

      blanks definitely don’t recoil like a live round. very different feel

  • To be fair, the videos are showing civilians going through the training and not police officers. The black male is a TV reporter doing a video spot on the training. The younger male is also civilian shooter who reacted quite quickly. The owner said he had some local police agencies “interested”, but that the program was not going to be fully ready until summer.

    However, this is a very interesting concept. The use of real firearms, real actors, and real bullets, is fantastic and quite possibly as real as it gets. The sounds, actions, and visual stimulus is hard to beat.

    I’ve done hundreds of force-on-force scenarios with airsoft, Simunitions, paintballs, and UTM rounds. Those are very good teaching lessons, but still somewhere in the back of your mind you know its a SIM round. If you mess up it might sting, and that sucks, but you at least subconsciously know you’re not going to die. This is a big pucker factor for sure – at least the first couple of times its used.

    As for the video and Mylar – if done correctly an instructor may be able to see if the person reacted quickly enough, and if their shots were “critical hits” or not.