[Big 3 East] CAA Roni and Micro Roni

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Israeli accessory company, CAA came to the Big 3 East for the first time and they did not disappoint. They brought out their newest versions of the Roni carbine stock.

One of the biggest detractions from getting a Roni Carbine stock is needing the SBR your pistol. Well CAA scratched their head for a while, since SBR classification is a uniquely American concept, and finally built a braced model of the Roni.

 

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Mikey, CEO of CAA and Hartman, showing the braced Roni.

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Along with braced pistol Ronis, CAA is making a longer version called the Civilian Roni. It will be available starting in April or May. Right now they only have it for the Glock 17. The Civilian Roni will cost $499 and comes with a 16″ Glock 17 barrel. It will convert your Glock 17 into a rifle. I am particularly interested in this for USPSA’s new Pistol Caliber Carbine division. I inquired if the Civilian Roni will work with a Glock 34. They have not tested it yet with the Glock 34. One of the CAA engineers said that developing a 16″ Glock barrel was a lot more difficult than they had anticipated. Hopefully the 16″ barrel will work for the Glock 34. There are a lot of Glock 34 pistols in USPSA and I often see more shooters with Glock 34s than Glock 17s. The Civilian Roni could be a cost effective way to compete in a different division for people with Glock pistols. The 16″ barrel will be threaded and they are looking to make the Civilian Roni compatible with suppressors.

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Civilian Roni has a long fore end.

 

Mikey also brought out the new Micro Roni. It is a simplified version of the Roni. I actually like the aesthetics of the MIcro Roni and it has less bulk. They are targeting for a MSRP of only $225 for the MIcro Roni, that is 50% of a standard Roni. They will have the option of an integrated flashlight and will have a folding stock. Something the Roni does not have. They will of course be making a folding braced version as well.

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Mikey showing the prototype Micro Ronis.

 

The prototype stocked Micro Roni has a angled grip simlar to a KRISS Vector. There are talks of getting ATF approval to allow for a spare magazine to be held inside. ATF may not approve the angled grip for their pistol braced variant. If that is the case then they will remove the angled grip and add a bottom picatinny rail.

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The Micro Roni will come with these picatinny mounted thumb rests for your support hand. I told CAA they should make these available separately for people to use on other guns and not just the MIcro Roni.

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With the stock folded the MIcro Roni is a very small set up.

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Phil Note:

During the Big 3 East this past week it was announced that CAA and Hartman won the Writers Choice Award. Hartman Ltd. for the MH-1 sight and CAA for the Roni and Micro Roni.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • BattleshipGrey

    I’m really surprised it took them so long to produce a 16″ barrel. I’m guessing they’ll have more sales because of it.

    Perhaps it’s a silly question, but would their 16″ barrel work with the micro Roni? The standard and long versions just seem to bulky and the micro appeals to me more, but I’m in a state that doesn’t allow NFA (except for suppressors now).

    • kregano

      Well, you could get the braced version of the Micro Roni, since that isn’t an SBR (thanks, convoluted NFA rules!).

    • SGT Fish

      the reason is because of the tilting barrel. they aren’t the first to do this though. it would work a lot better on other guns with different locking mechanisms, but a 16 inch barrel is just too heavy for a glock to function, and consider how much the barrel would be whipping up and down while firing. just try shooting a suppressed glock quickly and youll see how much that weight on the barrel effects it, and why you need a nielson device/booster to keep it cycling

  • Dickie

    So if the small on is the micro roni is the large one called macaroni

  • Reef Blastbody

    They need to do the 16″ Civilian Roni in 10MM.

    • Mazryonh

      The Roni doesn’t have a caliber, it’s just a shell to hold onto a pistol that lets you add the ergonomics of a long gun to the original pistol.

  • thedonn007

    I might have to get a micro roni to use with a Sig Brace and my G22 with a threaded 9 mm conversion barrel. Might make a nice little suppressor host.

  • Blake

    Thanks, this just seriously entered the bidding in my search for a good inexpensive PCC.

    Or I’ll just embrace the Dark Side & get a Hi-Point 🙂

  • ryguy

    still not a fan with how it looks, could be trimmed and thinned out a bit. would be cool if one could just remove the slide and just reslide into a roni configuration to make it an sbr or something with a longer barrel and ambi ejection

    • SLi-Fox

      I like that idea.

  • insertjjs

    16in barrel in a glock but not in a ron carbine. Does that make it a glock buntline special?

    It would be interestingto see what kind of looks you would get at the range with it.

  • Texas-Roll-Over

    The ATF could still make the Micro an NFA item. The forward pistol grip, would classify it as an AOW.

    Also, 16″ barrels were done by an Austrian company years ago…2002 – 2003 i believe.

    As some have said before, the weight on the 16″ barrel is substantial. That weight is what interferes with the unlocking of the barrel from the slide. Hence why we have Nielsen devices.

    Once again, ($500-$800 pistol) + $500 Roni with 16 barrel = $1000 -$1300+. So….essentially, you could buy a Evo pistol or carbine, and spend the 200 tax stamp, and still be less than the cost of this set up…and you can still stick your pistol in pants then…

    I don’t get it.

    • Amit Nachman

      its useless for americans. see my comment.

      • It’s fun to shoot though—–

        • Amit Nachman

          Yes but so are alot of things that cost less money. My point is the Roni and KAPOS were both designed for countries with horrible gun laws. You Americans should enjoy your freedom and get a real rifle 🙂

    • Lew Siffer

      I still want one. As far as “getting it,” it’s simple…some of us still can’t accept that “the” gun from our youth is a physical impossibility.

      • Nimrod

        That’s Illya Kuryakin’s (K on the grip) gun and there is a guy out there who makes functioning real UNCLE guns like that.

        • jcitizen

          Grip base for the scope?

    • Kenneth Lee

      Or you already have a glock, 250 for the micro 200 for the feds, and you have a 9mm sbr for less than 500. I’ll be buying one when they are available

  • 1. Add a Glock magwell to an M11A1
    2. Insert M11A1 into a Roni
    3. You now have a Macaroni:

    • Mazryonh

      For additional tacticoolness, make sure your M11A1 has the slower-fire upper, and put a feather in your hat.

  • santi

    Definitely looking forward to getting the micro and the civilian roni’s

  • Evan

    What’s the point of this thing? Why would someone buy this instead of any of the number of SMG clone “pistols”/SBRs out there? My understanding of the NFA is that if you put a Glock in this thing, that Glock becomes “rifle” and can never be used as a pistol again. A Glock isn’t a rifle, nor is it meant to be. So basically, you buy this, your pistol becomes a substandard pistol caliber carbine that you have to have a tax stamp for. It seems like a massive waste of money to me. Besides, what with pistols having a moving slide, it seems like this might impair their function.

    The one with the brace that doesn’t require any NFA nonsense is slightly less stupid, but still, why?

    • wetcorps

      I think it is not originally intended for the US market.
      In countries with different gun laws, it allows you to change your handgun into a shoulder fired weapon without going through the trouble of buying a new gun.

      Still more of a range toy, but a pretty fun one.

      • Evan

        I guess I could see it as a range toy were it not for the NFA. But if I’m gonna go through all the NFA hassle, it would have to be for something far more practical and/or fun.

    • Michael Lubrecht

      Evan, I don’t think your assumption is correct. Once a rifle, always a rifle, but not the same with pistols. For example, you can take your pistol-designated AR lower and place a legal-length rifle barrel on it, add a stock and have a legal rifle. You can then remove the stock and stick a pistol length upper back onto that pistol lower, and it’s still a pistol. The requirement is that a pistol has to start out as a pistol – hence you can’t legally make a pistol out of an already-configured AR rifle. Since you’re starting with a Glock pistol here, it remains a pistol.

      • Evan

        I believe that once you put a stock and a rifle length upper on your AR ‘pistol’ receiver, it legally becomes a rifle, and as such cannot be made back into a pistol. I don’t think there is an “it was once a pistol and as such can become a pistol again” exception to the “rifles cannot be legally made into pistols” rule. The fact that we even need to have this discussion shows how idiotic the law is.

        • Michael Lubrecht

          Here’s the legal definition of a pistol, straight from the BATFE website:

          Gun Control Act Definitions

          Pistol

          18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(29) and 27 CFR § 478.11

          The term “Pistol” means a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having:

          a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s);

          and a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).

          Note that the definition states “originally designed” as a one-handed weapon. Hence, you can’t make an AR pistol from an original AR rifle. However, there’s nothing in the reg that says putting a long barrel and stock on a pistol turns it into a rifle. Heck, look at all the Thompson-Center contenders with mix and match rifle stocks, long barrels, etc. As long as you don’t put a too-short barrel on a Contender with a stock, you’re fine in any other combination. And you can quite legally revert your Contender (or AR pistol lower) into a pistol again.

        • jcitizen

          It is kind of like the MechTech Systems C,C.U. that has been around for quite a while, except in that case you put a Glock or 1911 pistol lower on a carbine upper – not sure what the BATFE difference would be, but the following posts show the actual regs.

    • De Facto

      Actually, I believe the ATF clarified that as long as at NO POINT is there ever a PISTOL LENGTH upper attached to the receiver at the same time as a stock, you’re fine. You can have a pistol become a carbine with a 16″ barrel and stock with no problem. Or you can have a pistol length barrel with a sig brace, and at any time you can restore your glock to it’s original configuration. Convert between the two at will. This is how the Mech-Tech pistol frame rifle uppers (and this product) are legal.

      However, If you attach a real stock to the pistol WITHOUT a 16″ barrel, or shoulder the Sig Brace without that 16″ barrel,you have created a SBR and committed a felony. I think OAL length applies too, but I’m not 100%

      So to me, this looks like a way to have a fun range toy, but be able to deconvert it to a more useful state at will. Not a bad thing. Especially given that glock’s are known for reliability, mags are plentiful, and pistol ammo is (comparatively) cheap.

      • Evan

        That’s what I thought too. According to the ATF, it isn’t so. I posted the link to their clarification, but apparently TFB didn’t approve it.

        • De Facto

          Yeah, it’s an irritating but understandable filter TFB uses to block spambots :p
          In your defense the ATF changes its mind about things fairly frequently; it’s easy to wind up with an incorrect interpretation. Totally agree with you that the NFA/ATF regulations are ridiculous and contrarian.

  • Dickie

    Ooo imagine the fps of a glock 31 with .357sig zipping out of it.

  • Amit Nachman

    As some mentioned regarding “what is the point”… Well in the USA there is no point. In Israel where owning a carbine is almost impossible, but you can put this on your Glock with no special lisence (assuming you are lucky enough to have a pistol lisence to start with)…

    • Amit Nachman

      Oh also you can usually own just one pistol so with this you get a nice range toy

  • nadnerbus

    They should get Vanilla Ice to endorse this for them. He can tell you all about what it’s like having a Roni.

    I’m showing my age, that’s probably too obscure…

  • USMC2090

    The outcome of Thompson v ATF was that you can always switch back and forth between pistol and rifle as long as the native configuration was a pistol and that Nfa configuration is avoided. On the other hand they said that if a weapon was born as a rifle, its only path to Nfa config wa through a form 1. That’s why I don’t own an AR that began life as a rifle. Why have a platform weapon that you can’t place a barrel shorter than 16 inches without having to fill out paperwork and pay the man?

  • Dumb Don Wood

    Need a 10mm version of this please.