My good friend Gabor Vass, the Editor of Kaliber Magazine, sent us this photo of the Czech Alfa revolvers. What is interesting is that these are less-lethal revolvers made by a company that also manufactures normal (lethal) firearms.  The models are the G020, G030, G030 (blued) and a G040.

They shoot solid rubber balls designed to inflict trauma, or rubber balls containing CS gas. These cartridges are very similar to regular firearm rounds, although they are low powered. Below is an example of a 9x22mm (9mm P.A.K) rubber ball cartridge …

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Many European countries do not allow citizen to own pistols, or make it very hard to do so, but they do allow these rubber balls guns.

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  • Esh325

    I wonder do they put any mechanisms in place to prevent them from being converted into a real firearm?

    • Ken

      Usually there is a bump in the bore that a rubber bullet can squeeze by, but not a metal one.

      • Are they generally smoothbore?

      • Tom

        Plus the metal is not normally strong enough to resist the pressure of “real” ammunition.

        Though as I understand it a common method is to drill the barrel out and put a small (.32 or .22) calibre sleeve in it. Not exactly good for many rounds but for a few it will do and used correctly can be quite lethal.

    • Kovacs Jeno

      Practically impossible to convert to real ammo.
      1. the material is usually weaker, zinc instead of steel
      2. the barrel and cylinder chambers are offset
      3. in case of Alfa G020/030/040 there is a hardened steel ring inside the cylinder, the entire cylinder is molded over it
      4. there are 3 different barricades in the barrel, all are made of 55-56 rockwell hardness steel

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Better than nothing I guess.

    • Anonymoose

      Could still probably kill someone with it pretty easily. I remember lots of reports of people dying or being severely injured when American riot cops blasting away at hipster protesters with FN-303s. Also, rubber bullets and wooden bullets have been in use for over 100 years and have never exactly been “nonlethal.”

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Aim for the face or the balls.

        • MrEllis

          In love and war.

      • These rubber pseudo-guns are really bad. Thing is, they’re not exactly firearms, but definitely not toys. So people buy them (either going through the license hoops, or, worse, just under the table) and just sorta haul them around as a “bully multiplier”, and wave them around and threaten with them much more freely than if it was an actual firearm (think road rage or street altercation).

        Even if the owner is nice & sane, it’s a really ambiguous decision every time – whether it’s worth using this thing or not. When used, they often lead to crippling and accidentally lethal injuries… or conversely, are totally ineffective. Cartridge makers constantly seek the “sweet spot” that delivers unbearable pain even through clothes, but is at least not _guaranteed_ to kill with head hits (it’s all limited by law with muzzle energy, and is quite lower than FN-303 you mentioned). This sweet spot doesn’t exist. And, of course, you know that expecting a pistol shooter to NOT hit something on pain of prison sentence is not a safe or reasonable assumption. Especially since these rubber guns are incredibly inaccurate.

        In short, it’s a crazily situational weapon with no situations that really suit it, and a LOT of different ways to make any situation worse.

        • Kovacs Jeno

          You have only read about the topic, hmm? We have real world, practical experience with such selfedefence devices. Most of you wrote is total bulls.hit, sorry.

          • No, I live in a country where dumbasses buy rubber guns for $1000 (if you take the 2014 ruble exchange rate) and play with them to be cool, all the while chewing my ears about how they’re protecting themselves.

            Meanwhile, most of these POS’s have service life in the hundreds of rounds, can’t hit the broad side of a barn, and cost a fortune in ammunition.

          • Kovacs Jeno

            Nope. The 1000 dollars’ priced are mostly made of steel, and based on real firearms, like the Taurus LOM, or the Tanfoglio Vendetta. Their life expectancy is very high. The cheaper zinc-only semiauto pistols with hot 80+ joule ammo – yes, those will break soon.

            Accuracy: these Alfa revolvers are accurate enough for the job, the 4″ version easily puts 5 shots under 2 inches from 5 meters, and even the shortest one is about 5 inches from that distance.

            The 9 mm PA Rubber Alfa revolvers are extremely accurate within 10 meters.

          • Wow. I was wrong. You’re just like a real shooter with a real gun.

          • Kovacs Jeno

            Wow. I have some little:-) experience with real guns, too From .22 LR to 14,5×114 mm.

      • MrEllis

        Less lethal is the go-to.

        • Anonymoose

          Less-lethal is not less-than-lethal.

        • Kovacs Jeno

          Since 2004 tens off thousands of such guns are sold here – NO ONE was killed with them.

          • DIR911911 .

            here? on the internet?

          • Kovacs Jeno

            Here, in Hungary.

  • Swarf

    I guess if that’s all you can get…

  • f.t.

    Good grief. Don’t be giving the bleeding heart liberals any more ideas.
    Next they will demand that we have “Smart, non lethal guns combined” and a mandate that we can only own those.
    I’m betting if I’m wearing my winter clothes, I could work right through the rubber bullets, unless I got shot in the nuts.
    I would rather make a spear and use that, or is that out lawed there too?

    • Kovacs Jeno

      Actually these guns are sign of the freedom here. Until 1991 in Hungary you were not allowed to own even simple low-powered airguns, and no device or weapon was allowed for selfdefence at all for the general population. The situation were similar in all the ex-communist countries. Now a lot of them – even Russia have shall-issue CCW laws for such rubber bullet traumatic guns.

      (Carrying large knifes in public is generally prohibited in Europe.)

      • Joeyk

        Funny story. I was on a train to Rome with some friends and I whipped out a large folding knife to cut up the pizza. Everyone looked at my like I was crazy, I thought it was because I was using a knife to cut the pizza…Nope. I didn’t realize knives can be restricted even in the states.

        • Kovacs Jeno

          here we are limited to 8 cm blade lenght for carry. No automatic allowed.

      • Cynic

        I kind of want the rubber ball ak made in Hungary tbh.

        Maybe the co2 powered 4.5mm one and use it for fof training

  • Guest nr. 8.

    P.A.K. is short for “Pistole Automatik Knall”. Knall meaning Blast or Bang. Those are not rubber ball cartridges. Neither the CS ones have rubber bullets, when fired they just spray the irritant to 2-3 meters in front of you. I think in most of Europe you can not buy rubber bullets. Those guns probably can not even shoot a projectile since they install a large bar into the barrel so the guns can be sold freely, meaning without any gun permits.

    rubber ball cartridge

  • Edeco

    I’ve been thinking about their 357’s, I mean if it’s like a K-frame, available with a 6″ pipe, that sounds good. I have a vaguely high opinion of Czech made guns. But then there’s the steady-diet question…

  • smartacus

    in NJ; it would still be considered an evil firearm so owning one without registration and license will get you locked up for the next 30 f’n years.

  • Kovacs Jeno

    The desciption is not so accurate.
    There are rubber bullet guns with united cartridges – Alfa also manufactures revolvers for the 9 mm PA Rubber and .45 Rubber pistol ammo (with full moon clips).
    But this Hungarian-market-only gun is loaded like a cap’n’ball revolver – bullets from the front in the cylinder, and rimmed centerfire 9×17 mm Knall (blank) ammo from the back.

  • I’d certainly take one of these over the SALT

  • Kovacs Jeno

    Read the linked article, and check the photos. You should make a new barrel, a new frame, and probably a new slide to convert it to 9×18 mak.

    • Criminals don’t care if the gun is smoothbore just that fires bullets. They also don’t care if the gun blows up in their hands.

  • Doesn’t the Czech Republic have spectacular gun laws by European standards?

    • Noir

      Its mainly for export. Noone would buy it here – its in the same category as .357 revolver. But Russia, Hungary and few other countries allow such weapons for civilians instead of proper guns.

    • Alex Agius

      yup they have legal carry for instance

  • Spikey DaPikey

    Pistols are BANNED in the UK, unless they have a stupidly long barrel and counter weight. Rifles, shotguns are OK, as long as you have the correct paperwork.
    As for the daily mail, it’s hardly the most reliable source of information coming out of the UK :

    • Other sources state the exact same thing.

    • Cynic

      Not strictly true see my above comment

  • Ezra Bristow

    You can also buy rubber bullet guns in France or you can get a muzzle device that you screw onto your PAK gun that can be loaded with a single rubber ball

  • Cynic

    Tear gas is banned in the UK full stop a tear gas gun would be the same as a real handgun so seriously bad juju.

    It needs to be either ‘historically significant’ and on a sec 7 license (7.1 stored at a licensed range and can be shot, 7.3 stored at home cannot purchase ammo in that calibre)

    Or on a sec 5 with a letter from the home secretary granting permission. (Basically a letter from secretary of state)

    Or some are allowed on a humane dispatch permit if you are a vet or farrier etc.

    Or if you are in Northern Ireland you can have pistols on a standard sec 1 and shoot them recreationally you can own guns for self defense AND it’s possible to get a carry permit if you are ‘at risk’

    So the laws aren’t the same everywhere in the UK.