Handgun experiences from Battlefield Las Vegas

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Riding on the enormous popularity of the AR15 post we recently completed concerning the feedback from Battlefield Las Vegas, we’re now bringing to you the handgun section that the manager, Ron has so diligently posted up on AR15.com. I’ve combined all of his relevant posts on the forum, to make one solid block of information about mostly handguns, but he’s also included some NFA machine guns, and some suppressor tidbits. I’ve edited some of it just so it flows and makes sense to the reader, but didn’t touch any of the actual information.

The background for the high round count is that we are rental-only range one block off the Las Vegas Strip (called Battlefield Vegas) and after all the talk about AK’s, I completely spaced on the reliability of the pistols we use on the line everyday of the year except for Christmas. We go through approximately 150,000-180,000 rounds combined of 9mm, .45, .50AE, .500S&W, .38 Special, .380 and 9mmMakarov each month. I don’t count .22 because even though we go through 1,000’s of rounds, it’s not in the same class as our standard calibers.

I can tell you that even though I am not a “Glock guy”, it is the most reliable handgun in our inventory and I would trust it with my life. We use Gen1-Gen4 17’s on the line and they are the most hassle-free handgun we have. I used my original Gen1 17 when we first opened two and a half years ago and it finally broke about six months ago. When I say broke, Glock’s pretty much are the only handgun that suffer a “catastrophic” break. The slide cracks right at the narrow portion at the ejection port. They will continue to fire most of the time but the rounds group at the top right corner of the target. The factory recoil springs are amazing because the just keep going. The Glock gets used probably 10X as much as our Beretta M92’s so it’s not fair to say the Beretta is more reliable (see below). We don’t use aftermarket slides on our Glocks so I couldn’t give you any info on those because Glock will replace our cracked slides under warranty. Also, I don’t meant to give the impression that slides break all the time but it would be fair to say that they get at least 100,000 rounds before cracking.

My personal favorite, the Sig P226 doesn’t fair as well. We go through more recoil springs in our 226’s than any other weapon system combined. We’ve yet to break a slide but they will not function with a broken recoil spring.

Our Desert Eagle .50AE’s run pretty reliable but the part that fails the most is the piston. We always have a few spares in the shop.

Our Beretta M92’s…the one that all the RSO’s hate, also hold up very well. In the last two years with the same four Beretta’s, we’ve only replaced one barrel and “locking piece”

We have several select-fire Glock’s but none of them are factory 18’s. They hold up just the same as the standard Glock 17’s.

The guns that we have replaced are Sig Mosquitos and Walther P-22’s. We must have returned at least 12-15 of each model since opening. We retired all the Sig and Walther .22’s and replaced them with the Glock .22 conversions. The RSO’s love them because the continue to run and don’t become Jam-O-Matic’s if they don’t get cleaned every other day. The Sig’s and Walther’s suffered catastrophic failures of the slide. The Sig’s cracked at the narrow portion of the ejection port and the Walther’s cracked about an inch from the muzzle.

As for ammo, we use Magtech ammo for most of the handgun calibers, Privi Partizan for .30-06, .308, .303Brit, 8mm Mauser and a couple of the larger handgun calibers. When it comes to quality control, I will say that Magtech has the least issues but they ALL have provided us ammo with an upside primer or a bullet seated upside down.

I believe the armorers got with my operations manager and asked if they could do just that (Replacing the recoil springs before the slide cracks). My operations manager makes sure that nobody makes unjustified purchases but he also understands the old “penny wise, pound foolish” mentality. By not purchasing that cheap recoil spring and saving a few bucks we’ll probably lose a slide in a matter of time that probably had thousands upon thousands of rounds left on it.

When we first opened, the general contractor didn’t pay over $150,000 to the sub-contractors that was owed and that really put us in a bind. We had to watch EVERY penny being spent and I had to put my personal firearms on the line as weapons went down. Things have changed dramatically since that point but BEING in that position makes sure that you never want to be there again and spending foolishly will get you back there in no time.

I really hate being like this but I don’t put them (H&K handguns) on the range. You can call it pride or ego issue but I hate having to purchase something from a company that I feel looks down upon regular (non-LEO) sales. The company’s attitude, in MY opinion, almost feels that the American shooter is a pain in the ass and “reluctantly” sells them to us. That’s MY opinion after years and years of being a buyer (bought my first HK91 in 1987).

When I was running our retail gun store we could never get spare parts and all the LEO’s that would stop by said the same thing. Granted, we have approximately 20+ MP5’s at the range but a majority of those are US-made copies and they continue to run nearly three years later.

We do have some of the Paki and Turkish MP5 semi-auto pistol clones and they also run fine.

The only issue with that FNX45 has been a broken main spring. Most of those rounds were fired with a suppressor attached.

The [Glock] 19’s and 26’s are reserved for customers from our retail store to come and test-fire those models prior to purchasing. Those Glocks and others like the P238, P938 and other CCW-style handguns don’t get much use. Customers want what they see in movies, TV or video games. The only CZ’s we run are a Scorpion and an EVO 3, both are factory full-auto’s and run flawlessly. We do have one or two of them but they don’t get much use at all. We only use them so customers from the retail store can try it before they buy it. That goes the same for any of the Walthers, S&W’s, SIG 238 and 938 as well as a bunch of other CCW-sized weapons.

Those are the only problems we’ve had with our Beretta’s [issue previously mentioned about locking component]. One of the Beretta’s is suppressed and we used the original barrel and just threaded the portion that lies outside of the slide and no issues of cracking, decreased accuracy or any other signs of failing.

[On the use of suppressors] We use SilencerCo, YHM, AAC, Bower’s and Gemtech (only one of these)

[On machine guns] M240 all day, every day. We’ve lost ONE FIRING PIN to fatigue/wear in our M240’s. Our PKM’s (which I still have a HIGH regard for) have lost numerous barrels, firing pins, buffers, bolt carriers and even a piston. We even had a bullet guide shear off the front trunion this week. I had a RSO mortar one 2-3 weeks ago because he knows he can’t leave the firing line with a round (live or fired) in the chamber and instead of just calling the range cold and walking it out safely, he tried to mortar it and use a mallet to get the charging handle back. He bent the receiver on the PKM. We can repair it but you are NOT going to bend a receiver on a 240 trying to get the charging handle back.

I’ll have to get all the info from the armorers this week but I know we’ve had a recent kaboom on a S&W .500 that had just come back from the factory for a repair work. We’ve sent a Judge and Rhino back for repair work as well. Our old trusty Colt .38 continues to run but it doesn’t see anywhere near the high-round counts of the S&W 500. That guns scares me because after seeing the kaboom, we’ve scheduled in our books to replace the barrel every six months, regardless of round count.

We don’t use the M&P’s enough to give any valid information. They are used as “try’em before you buy’em” guns for our sister store that’s a dedicated retail gun store. They get shot several times a week at most and not abused in any way. There isn’t a demand for them because they aren’t in video games, not in enough movies and not in service by any armed forces.

[On Keltec KSGs not being used] We’ve already sent one back and working on the second. It’s not in any of the packages for a reason.

Also, as a request from a long-time member, the .45 Glock that we use everyday continues to run. We use it exclusively with the a suppressor and other than LOTS of carbon build up, it has experienced zero issues. It doesn’t get the work out that the 9mm’s due but because of the suppressor, I anticipated more issues. They have it scheduled for more frequent cleanings but no issues with the spring, slide or frame.


We are running the Advantage Arms .22 conversion kits on our Glock 17’s and they run flawlessly.The conversion kits will run with any ammo but we only use ammo that has copper plating.

 

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Some frame and slide wear on the P226.

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One of the armorers brought this back to me this week and corrected me about broken Beretta’s. This is the only part that breaks on the M92. I don’t know the name of the piece but it’s not integral to the barrel. There is a pin that holds it in place and the part is easily replaced.

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Here’s a SIG P226 that has been on the line since 01 OCT 13. It has had a trigger spring and main spring replaced along the way. The rounds aren’t extracting, the brass is fire-forming and you can see abrasions on the brass from the chamber. We are ordering a new barrel for this weapon and hopefully it will be back on the line soon.

Here's what happened to our S&W 500 here on the range. It's been used on a daily basis for nine months with weekend use a bit higher. Davidson's (who we purchased it from) won't warranty or repair it because they "have determined that the damage to this weapon was not the result of a defect in the materials or workmanship of the firearm". They actually said... "We do not recommend firing this firearm as it is not in a safe condition to shoot". Not to poke fun at the blind but I'm pretty sure Stevie Wonder see that it's not safe to shoot We use Magtech ammo in this weapon and never had an issue with the lot as we shot plenty of ammo prior to this in our other S&W 500. We didn't feel the need to quarantine the ammo and the rest of the lot was used without issue. Since this happened, we are now going to put a six-month life span for all of our S&W as a preventative measure to avoid any possible injuries. Speaking of injuries, nobody was injured but the shooter was a bit shaken up just because of the weapon falling apart after the shot went off. He was a good sport about it and ended up shooting the other S&W 500 and we put him on a Desert Eagle .50AE and M134 minigun for free because of the scare. EDITED: Smith & Wesson sent the letter saying they won't repair it to Davidson's (who we purchased it from).Here is a Sig P226 Mk25 that's been on the line for at the very minimum of one year. You can see that there is a slightly shiny edge (photo looks worse than actual weapon) where the slide and frame come in contact. The only rear wear on the weapon is on the outside from handling.

From Ron- Here’s what happened to our S&W 500 here on the range. It’s been used on a daily basis for nine months with weekend use a bit higher. Davidson’s (who we purchased it from) won’t warranty or repair it because they “have determined that the damage to this weapon was not the result of a defect in the materials or workmanship of the firearm”. They actually said… “We do not recommend firing this firearm as it is not in a safe condition to shoot”. Not to poke fun at the blind but I’m pretty sure Stevie Wonder could see that it’s not safe to shoot
We use Magtech ammo in this weapon and never had an issue with the lot as we shot plenty of ammo prior to this in our other S&W 500. We didn’t feel the need to quarantine the ammo and the rest of the lot was used without issue. Since this happened, we are now going to put a six-month life span for all of our S&W as a preventative measure to avoid any possible injuries. Speaking of injuries, nobody was injured but the shooter was a bit shaken up just because of the weapon falling apart after the shot went off. He was a good sport about it and ended up shooting the other S&W 500 and we put him on a Desert Eagle .50AE and M134 minigun for free because of the scare.

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A number of people were making mean comments about the 1911. I was heartbroken.



Miles V

Former Infantry Marine, and currently studying at Indiana University. I’ve written for Small Arms Review and Small Arms Defense Journal, and have had a teenie tiny photo that appeared in GQ. Specifically, I’m very interested in small arms history, development, and Military/LE usage within the Middle East, and Central Asia.

If you want to reach out, let me know about an error I’ve made, something I can add to the post, or just talk guns and how much Grunts love naps, hit me up at miles@tfb.tv


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  • Don Ward

    Good stuff and pretty much squares with what should be commonly accepted knowledge.

  • Darkpr0

    That .500 S&W failure is absolutely terrifying. It deserves its own post frankly, it’s a spectacular kaboom. It’s a strange one as well… I’d say barrel obstruction by the damage but if the user fired a squib load prior, your RSO would have to be a vegetable to not notice the lack of a giant fireball.

    • Yeah I think a squib would be easily noticed since the gun’s recoil would not try to take your head off when the hammer dropped. I remember way back in the day when Linebaugh and others were first squeezing mega magnums into black hawk frames, that cracking of the forcing cone was an issue and would lead to catastrophic failures like the one pictured of the S&W. I always hated shooting next to them at silhouette matches since you would get lead spray two line positions over from the cylinder gap and you never knew when one would let go due to iffy hand loads.

    • Joshua

      I would really like to know more about it as well, it almost looks like the forcing cone fatigued and let go, maybe an incorrect timing shot repeatedly hitting the forcing cone there?
      color me curious.

  • It seems like the PKM’s weight advantage comes at a high cost.
    The 240 is an absolutely unstoppable monster of a gun (as evidences by their one broken firing pin) but it is a heavy SOB.

    • I wonder how much longer the life of a PKM would be (or the AKs) if the
      Russians did not over gas the piss out of every thing they design. Granted it makes the guns power through while being filled with crud but it degrades life of the arm as well as makes control and hit probability go down. That said, I would rather have to carry a PKM any day over the MAG 58/M240. Its really way to heavy for the role. The PKM is a beautiful design and I enjoy firing it (I have the scars on my left arm to prove it) but I favor extremely controllable LMGs that are also light weight.

      • iksnilol

        Agreed, though for the arctic conditions in Russia it probably means it is “just right”. Still, best upgrade for an AK IMO is an adjustable gas block.

        Also, if you don’t mind me asking. How did you get the scars?

        • The PKM ejects cases left at sonic velocity and if you are firing it off hand you are going to bleed.

          • iksnilol

            BLOOD FOR MIKHAIL! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

            Seriously though, it is a part of the design. The point is that the cases ejected to the left cover your flank.

          • milesfortis

            Just like M249s and MK48s do it for the right flank!

          • iksnilol

            Exactly, have a PKM on the left and an MK48 on the right and your flanksa are covered. Alternatively use a PKM pointed forward on the left side and a PKM pointed backwards on the right side. Then you have 360 degree coverage with only two MGs.

          • whskee

            Learned that lesson the hard way when I was a new guy. Bounding movements, I moved to set on the right of a Mk46 gunner and began firing from the knee, and then he lit off a long burst before moving. All the casings right into my face and neck. Not. F’ing. Fun. Anymore. I make absolutely sure to find or make a spot on the left from that experience. Casings eject with some hate from that group, I think I’m lucky I didn’t get my carotid punctured.

          • Riot

            Brass for the brass throne

          • iksnilol

            S***! Should have thought of that one.

            Now I want a brass throne. Just make a cool chair and cover it up with brass.

          • mosinman

            but wait! don’t the russians still used steel cased 7.63×54?

          • Riot

            Think they have some brass. The other combloc formers DO have brass 7.62R.

      • BrandonAKsALot

        To be fair, they don’t over gas the piss out of them. They are, in a sense, over gassed, but that’s to ensure they can fire any kind of ammo and don’t short stroke when extremely dirty. AK’s do not beat themselves to death. The design is way better thought out than it ever gets credit for. Plenty of AK’s have been recorded with well over 100k rounds through them and still kicking.

      • Core

        I was at the range today getting pelted in the back by AK clone brass from the opposite side of the lanes. So true..

    • milesfortis

      It might seem that PKMs advantages come at a ‘high cost’, but consider that Ivan’s philosophy was to make these things by the car load, and if one got worn too much, it wasn’t fixed, but replaced.
      If you ever get a look at a complete armorer’s kit for any particular Russian weapon system, you’ll find no major parts and very few small parts. The idea was that if a major (usually over-engineered) part had broken or was worn it was highly probable the receiver was worn to the point the whole weapon needed replacement.
      I will agree that the 240 is one hell of a mg. I was impressed the first time I got my hands on one.

    • Riot

      I’m always one for make it last longer even if it’s heavier, but I wouldn’t say the pkm pays a high price – it is under 64% of the MAGs weight.

    • n0truscotsman

      That and the parts are likely mil surplus, meaning, god knows what happened to them by the time they were re-assembled stateside.

      The FN MAG/M240 is one of the best GPMGs ever devised, if not the best.

  • iksnilol

    So the PKM pays for its light weight? Eh, am not surprised. Would still prefer to lug it around over a M240.

    • Joshua

      240-L isn’t to bad. Though weight is the reason for the push for lightweight weapon technology.

      • whskee

        There’s been issues in the L models. I’m very interested in seeing about getting some rounds through the Barrett built M240LW, it looks and sounds like they engineered it well enough.

  • thedonn007

    It is too bad that they don’t rent out the CZ 75. I would have liked to hear how well it fares.

    Oh, and I also happen to have a Walther P22, I have about 4,000 rounds through it, so far I have just had to have the firing pin replaced.

    • nadnerbus

      I really love the lines of the CZ 75, and I would own one already if I wasn’t so broke. I would love to see some hard use information on the gun as well.

      • iksnilol

        They are pretty popular among police in Europe. Take that for what it’s worth.

        • FarmerB

          I have one – very solid utilitarian pieces.

          • Phillip Cooper

            I have a few- totally agree.

          • Jim

            As do I. Totally agree.

        • Steve_7

          Such as?

          • iksnilol

            I saw them on police officers in Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia. + it is one the popular police pistols. And that is without accounting for all the copies and clones. Maybe not the highest in numbers but definitely widespread. Glocks I’ve only really seen in the “medium” states. Those “too rich” to be seen with normal guns while being too poor for stuff like HKs and Sigs. NOTE: This applies to Europe.

    • Sean

      I have somewhere between 40-60 thousand rounds through my 11 yr old CZ75. They are nearly indestructible.

      • thedonn007

        Thanks, that is probably more then I will shoot through my SP-01, well at least before I hit the lotto.

        • Patrick the Canadian

          I work for a Canadian shooting range and compete in IPSC with my SP01, while our guns never get used that much that fast, I can tell you that CZs will break their slide catch every 6 thousand rounds and will start double tapping and the barrel will usually be shoot out by about 30 to 35k rounds. This is for the newer, MIM casted parts, whereas the old school machined usually fared much better. I still wouldn’t trade it for anything else for competition use. Easy to reload, no recoil, the trigger can be made perfect, no firing pin safety (in the SP01). My glock is still my favorite for reliability though because my CZ tends to be picky with worn mags.

    • Steve_7

      I’ve owned all kinds of CZ-75 pistols and copies, one of my first pistols was a 1986-vintage gun I bought new, which nearly put me off shooting because the tooling it was made on was obviously worn out. Miked the barrel at .358″, I kid you not.

      The weak spot is the slide release which cracks through the pin after a few thousand rounds. Sphinx figured out how to make them last, a steel pin with a casting around it. Not a cheap gun though. Don’t buy one in .40.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    “I can tell you that even though I am not a “Glock guy”, it is the most reliable handgun in our inventory and I would trust it with my life.”
    I think we all could have guessed this.
    Sorry Glock haters.

    • iksnilol

      I am not even mad, I mean, I can microwave my gun without problem… If they made a big enough microwave for it.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Microwaves kill the flavor.
        I prefer my Glocks battered, dusted with bread crumbs and baked for 30 @ 350°.

        • iksnilol

          What if you are operating in radioactive conditions?

          CHECKMATE!11!

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            No problem, I just need to spray a little sunblock on it and good to go.

          • iksnilol

            Seriously? Does sunblock work against radiowaves? I usually just wrap my guns in tinfoil (+ people think I only have food and not guns with me).

          • ostiariusalpha

            Your almost there. Soon you’ll be ready to battle the ___________ conspiracy. Watch out for the triangles = Illuminati confirmed!

          • Dan

            Please do not tell me that guy is in anyway serious?

          • milesfortis

            Nowadays you can never tell for sure.

          • Kivaari

            Go where there is low radiation. Why risk lives, when drones (not your brother in law) can do the recon job.

          • iksnilol

            The Zone in general is radioactive. Besides, a drone can’t cheeki breeki like comrade can.

            In seriousness: If the place is radioactive, it’s better to send drones in there. Easier to clean them than it is to decontaminate people. And less risk for people involved.

          • Brett

            If you say so, STALKER.

        • Don Ward

          And fried in… FireCLEAN!

          Oh crud, Larry Vickers pulled up outside my house…

    • Grindstone50k

      Would’ve liked more info from Glock-clones like the M&P.

    • Kivaari

      That’s been my observation as well. My issue G17 had 22,000 round through it when I stopped bothering to keep count. I know it was close to 30,000 rounds of +P+ ammo. Our carry load was Federals 9BPLE, so our reloads were shoved to mimic that load. Glocks are king.

    • mosinman

      i recognize they’re good but i still won’t own one

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Why would you not want to own something that is good?

        • mosinman

          Because there are other good options out there that i like better. that, and pig headed stubbornness

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Fair enough.

        • Joshua

          lots of reasons, maybe he has an appreciation for ascetics, maybe the ergonomics are murder on his hands, maybe he’s one of those anti-hipster gun owners who only own guns no one knows about because he’s so cool he doesn’t have to be cool. maybe he want’s an actual manual safety instead of a double stage trigger. maybe he’s more of a revolver guy and doesn’t own any automatics. maybe he wants a gun with better balance, maybe, maybe maybe, I could probably keep going a while.
          Just because something is good doesn’t mean everyone should own one, I’m told the Bad Dragon makes an excellent product, can’t say one of them is on my wishlist even with the wide variety of colors available

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            He already answered my question, dude.
            But thanks.

          • Joshua

            meh, I was just hoping I could bait some people into googling Bad Dragon

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I might later.

      • Yep @mosinman, I understand. Why buy a Glock when you already have a Mosin?

        • mosinman

          that’s right! GLORIOUS RIFLE DESIGNED BY TOVARISH SERGEI IVANOVICH MOSIN IS ALL A PATRIOT CONSCRIPT NEEDS!!!

  • lowell houser

    Shame. I was hoping to hear how the M&P’s hold up. I’m still trying to make up my mind between an M&P9 and a Canik TP9v2. I WANT the M&P, but the Canik just seems like a better value.

    • lowell houser

      Also, I’ve given up on the idea of buying a 1911. To me, that’s become a CNC project-gun.

      • Grindstone50k

        Pick up a cheap, old-school A1, like the one from Rock Island. Great 1911 for $400 and you don’t have nearly any of the problems expensive super-duper-tight show-offs like Kimber have.

        • Nashvone

          ^^^^^What he said! My Springfield RO is much better equipped than my Colt for hundreds less.

    • n0truscotsman

      Ive been running a M&P 9 and shield for quite a while now, transitioning away from Glock. I would go with them since they’re a bit more established than the Canik and not that much more expensive.

      The Canik sounds like an interesting gun. Ill have to try one out.

  • 6.5x55Swedish

    Do you have any Swedish K and if so, how are they holding up?

  • SIG GUY

    Not surprising to hear about the Flocks or the problems with the 1911. The Sig 226, my personal favorite is of course known as well that it requires maintenance throughout its career. It’s still my firearms of choice.

  • DIR911911 .

    ” He was a good sport about it and ended up shooting the other S&W 500 and we put him on a Desert Eagle .50AE and M134 minigun for free because of the scare.” . . . .sounds like good people.

    • Giolli Joker

      Sounds like worth the scare.

  • noob

    jebus. I can only imagine how much ammunition passes through this place every year. if they saved all the brass and didn’t reload it how high would the self supporting pile be?

    And what kind of industrial digging machine do they need to get the lead out of the berm. my mind is boggling.

  • Ben Enjerry

    In a high volume environment, I have noticed the following: The Beretta 92 locking blocks are what break. I keep spares on hand. I also ensure the Beretta’s recoil springs are replaced regularly based on their service recommendations. Sig’s break their trigger bars often. Sig trigger return springs wear/break too. I also notice the Sig’s trigger return spring enlarge the mounting hole in the grip frame. As the hole wears, it makes the spring flop around and not return the trigger properly. VP9’s break the trigger return springs. It’s the second thing to go after the recoil spring flies downrange if these are not replaced every 10,000 rounds.

  • Giolli Joker

    Experiences kaboom on S&W500, walks out unhurt.
    Gets to shoot M134 minigun for free.

    Sign me in!

  • guest

    Once again the King (Glock) is still King. And haters gonna hate 🙂

    • Joshua

      When I say broke, Glock’s pretty much are the only handgun that suffer a
      “catastrophic” break.
      did someone gloss over this?

      • DonDrapersAcidTrip

        woah, catastrophic failure after 100,000 rounds and still able to fire. what damning evidence.

        • Joshua

          yeah, it is pretty damning isn’t it
          the first part to break on the Glock is also one of the most important to the safe and reliable function of the pistol.

          look, 100,000 rounds is impressive, not a round count any of us are likely to reach, but calling a gun “The King” because it can take a level of abuse most of us will never put it under? give me a break.
          the first thing a gun has to do is work, and the Glock does that as well as any other, and they all work as well or better than any of us will require of them, the next thing it has to do is be accurate enough. again, almost all handguns do this, very few really exceed this requirement, the Glock is not one of them. The Third thing they have to do is be Ergonomic, Glock fails here, hard, especially when compared to some offerings. The Fourth thing a handgun should do is be ascetically pleasing, after all we’re civilian owners, pride of ownership is a part of our consideration, and their is no pride in ownership, of a brick. especially not when they cost as much or more than other offerings that still pass every physical test we’ll put them under, and are ascetic to boot.

          I’ve talked to a lot of Glock guys, and a lot 1911 guys, the conclusion i’ve come to is that they both have their self-esteem so tied up in their guns that any dismissal of the gun is defacto dismissal of them, and no one like to be dismissed. Deriving your sense of self worth from a possession is not healthy.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            what was the point of you typing this all out at me lmao

            “glocks hold up incredibly well but I don’t personally like them and I’m going to write you an essay about it” okay thanks.

          • Zebra Dun

            A gun owner who doesn’t personally like a Glock, yet moralizing about a Glock is like an atheist moralizing about a God figure he doesn’t believe in.
            They tend to get as long winded as a Baptist Preacher who loves his Glock as well as he loves his God
            Dang! Guns, Glocks and now religion.
            My problem is and has been I don’t own a Glock, wouldn’t mind owning one yet every time I handle one I accidentally trigger a Magazine dump and look Foolish.
            I know, proper technique and hand placement.

  • avconsumer2

    Good knowledge. M240 – unsurprised. Good piggy.

  • Zebra Dun

    Another interesting and illuminating article.
    Good to go!

  • Mc Cain

    The HK comments are just stupid. But since probably 95% of the people coming through his business are too stupid and/or too drunk to care what they are shooting, it doesn’t make any difference.

  • MrApple

    Interesting article.

  • Shawn McCoy

    Work me a deal on the cylinder and grip off that .500?