Later today we will be publishing many photos taken by my good friend Erik. I wanted to highlight this photo of the Brügger & Thomet VP-9 pistol, the first I have seen of the unusual pistol actually being fired. The B&T VP-9 is essentially a 21st century reimagining of the Welrod, the British covert bolt action pistol used during WWII. It is fully suppressed, magazine fed and has a bolt action.

Jonathan Ferguson, who has access to Britain remaining Welrods, wrote an excellent article for us last year about the VP-9.


  • nester7929

    Yep, I need one of these.

  • joel. k

    is there and actual “tactical” use for these? Or is only the cool factor, and off course the compulsory everyday chore of puting down a cow or two.

    • iksnilol

      Well, it seems nice for the usual farm stuff. Putting animals out of their misery is certainly easier with a pistol like that instead of using a knife.

      Though I imagine it could be used for rabbits as well if you put a red dot on it. Also, don’t forget the occasional sentry or light bulb.

    • nova3930

      I guess if you really don’t want to be heard?

      • Ken

        If you press it against someone, then it will be even quieter. It basically turns their body into an additional suppressor to catch and cool the gas. I recall reading that the Welrod was completely silent when used in that manner. I’m sure some secret squirrels already intend on using it for the same purpose as the original Welrod.

    • Darren Hruska

      Well, suppressors were designed with civilians in mind. If anything, it’s perhaps not an ideal combat weapon. However, it’d be great for close range hunting of small critters.

      • Tassiebush

        I second that for hunting close range with it. It’s a totally niche gun but that niche happens to fit a heck of a lot of game sightings!

        • iksnilol

          And might be used against rats if you use rubber bullets and reduced powder load. Rubber bullets because I really don’t want to shoot up my attic.

          • Tassiebush

            Man it’s quite a list of uses. Rats in attic, wallabies and rabbits in parks or on the front lawn, then there’s parrots in the apple tree and various feral and native doves and pigeons. There’s ducks and swans too. There’s trout close to the water’s surface. There’s seals when you’re fishing and dolphins for the sheer hell of it cos I’d like a better look at one. There’s garfish and stingrays that are asking for it swimming so close in shallow water. There’s the neighbours cat and the other neighbour’s dog. I really need one of these quite badly! It’d enrich my life! 😉

          • iksnilol

            Alright, well, if the coppers catch you please don’t mention ever speaking to me. 😛

            It reminds me of the first time I saw shotgun shells in the wild. They were next to a friends fridge, when I asked about them he just said: “Oh, those are my dad’s, in case a cat or something walks into the garden”.

            He was quite serious by the way.

          • Tassiebush

            Hehe I promise not to. Besides I’d only do some of those things 😉
            Actually that shotshell story certainly was how things were growing up here too. More likely a .22 or .410 in a garden context on a few acres or an airgun on smaller. Not so anymore sadly.

    • Yeah they were used by special ops back in world war 2 and even today Welrod pistols are still used. They are some of the quietest wet work pistols around.

  • Sam Whan

    Name eludes me right now but as a young 16yr old i got to shoot a .45uto cased soe bolt action enfield and wow that was both silent and effective at the range i shot it (50+yds) i did see a re make clone being sold and teated in the uk more recently chambered in 9mm .45 and casult but i think the latter was as a we will if u pay. I saw the clone .45 being shot in the siberisn range at bisley and all i heared was the enfield blot snap shut with no noticible recoil. For the love of me i csnt remember its name but i really really fell in love with it.

    • SP mclaughlin


      • Secundius

        @ SP mclaughlin.

        A British designed SAS Sniper’s Carbine, also adopted by the OSS in WW2…

  • Darren Hruska

    It would have been great to see the Welrod and the pistol chambered in .45 ACP due to the naturally subsonic ammo. Yeah, 147-grain ammo works with standard pressure loadings, but you really can’t go +P with that without going from subsonic to supersonic. Maybe these pistols aren’t suited for +P anyways?

    • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

      Yup.. 230gr at 900fps beats 147gr at 900fps any day of the week.

      • Darren Hruska

        I’m sure you can potentially push a 147-grain projectile up to about 1,100 fps, but that’s on the very borderline of subsonic and supersonic. That 230-grain projectile at 900 fps is still a bit more powerful than that and can be even further amped up.

      • Shmoe

        Against a soft target, absolutely. And with a hard limit on velocity, that’s all you can expect to deal with anyway, Ho hum.

    • Shmoe

      I think the barrel’s short enough that it would still be subsonic. Rule seems to be: if your .45’s too fast make it heavier, If your 9mm is too fast shorten the barrel, because you can’t safely make it much heavier in 9×19. Though 9mm Luger regularly go up to 168 gr, from what I understand.

  • joel.k

    B&T should make a repro de lisle carbine and call it VR-45.

    • You can buy repro De Lisle Carbines that are based on the old blueprints and that are incredibly quiet.

      • Secundius

        @ tootiredoftheright.

        Who’s the Manufacturer, do you know???

  • guest

    Huh, I was just thinking about a repro Welrod today, too. Any guesses as to whether or not this would make the US import points list?

    • Us companies do make De Leslie Carbines. Maybe one of them should be contacted to see if they would make a Replica Welrod. There would be a number of buyers of not only civilians who can get the tax stamp but also class 3 ffls who would want to have one at the range for people to rent.

  • iksnilol

    Would have liked it better if it was a straight pull bolt action. Doesn’t seem comfortable to twist the bolt “handle”. Especially if you are a right handed user and that thing is a conventional bolt action with the bolt “handle” on the right side.

    • Tassiebush

      That’d certainly be easier to have it as a straightpull at least to operate it. Could risk inconvenient bolt openings when carried though but it’d definitely be okay from a handling perspective. I’m embarrassed to cite this as an example but there’s a nerf gun model which operates by moving a slide on the top back and forwards and I find it certainly gives a respectable rate of fire. My nerf machine gun wielding children don’t achieve fire superiority all that often against me 😉

      • iksnilol

        No shame in using Nerf guns. There’s certainly interesting mechanisms there. Though I have yet to dabble in them.

        • Tassiebush

          They’re just fun and affordable. I actually had a good game of it today against two of my kids and their friend. It’s fun slicing the pie, changing mags and drawing my backup weapon lol. They got me pretty good a few times though. I definitely recommend it for family fun. It’s cheap to get into.

      • Dan

        I have the same top slide nerf gun for my fiances cat when it decides it wants to turn the furniture into a scratching post.

        • Tassiebush

          Haha well they’re definitely well suited to that job. Point well as too which is cool.

          • Dan

            Sure do, found myself a few times clearing the house and ambushing unsuspecting pets a particularly annoyed significant other.

          • Tassiebush

            Man it’s hard not to persecute pets with them!
            I had fun with them today actually. I took on my boys and their friend. Certainly is a great way to entertain. As for the grip I half reckon a nerf gun grip mod would improve some gun’s handling. The nerf designers are geniuses!

          • Dan

            My dog looks at me like I’m a tard but the cat will try to run through walls when she sees it in my hands. It definitely feels “right” in the hands

          • Tassiebush

            Haha awesome!

      • Anonymoose

        I use a Nite Finder and always win at Nerf.

        • Tassiebush

          That’s a good effort there! I mostly use the Retaliator with the barrel removed and carry a 2nd or 3rd mag. I often keep a strongarm blaster (the pepperbox revolver) in my pocket too and it gives an opportunity for a quick draw when needed.

      • Adam

        Fine then, i will be back in the Philippines in 4 weeks, i will head up too Danao and get a prototype started…. In Straight Pull…. But it wont be in 9 mm… It will be the 30 Luger case loaded with Sierra 155 grain HPBT ….

        • Tassiebush

          Ooh yes that would be incredibly cool! Add a pistol stock too I reckon!

  • Sianmink

    Videooo.. we need video right now!

  • Tassiebush

    I think it’d also be intended for bigger stuff like horses and cattle which can be hazardous to approach when injured.

  • Southpaw89

    Wait, there’s a modern Wellrod, I must have one!

  • DIR911911 .

  • mechamaster

    If they have .45ACP ver. and use M1911 magazine, they are perfect !

  • PT McCain

    And they put Glock sights on it? Fail.

  • iksnilol

    The OTs-38 is even better, being a revolver the mechanism is quieter (+ no shells to pickup).

    The problem with these weapons is that for the civilian user they are quite impractical due to nonstandard ammo (that also is harder to dispose of).

    Besides, for close assassinations a run of the mill claw hammer is way better than a handgun.

    • guest

      There is no really justifiable civilian use for these weapons. As for “assasination” – think specops. Also revolvers are f***ing retarded, starting with bulk and ending with practical reload speed. Also the point of guns is kinda the range, so just like with silent mortars, grenade launchers, sniper rifles etc the emphasis is almost purely specops – attack, not be detected, get the advantage on the enemy in absolutely all ways.

      • Other Guest

        Jerry Miculek would disagree on the reload speed…

      • In spec wars you don’t want to be heard. Also the point is to be hidden. So what better way then be in plain sight and up close using one of these.

      • DaveP.

        Somewhere out there, a gun store is missing its commando.

      • FarmerB

        Err, as the name suggests, they are designed for vets for animal euthanasia.

  • Yet the welrod which is the predecessor was used in special ops from the 1940s and even today.

  • This is a modern version of the Welrod pistol developed by the OSS for use in wet work and still in use today for that purpose.

  • So what does the HK VP-9 stand for then being a semi auto striker pistol?

    • Intellectual Slacker

      its basically some where along the lines of “the peoples pistol” i.e. a more price friendly gun available to all unlike the more higher end HK pistols. Same as the Volkswagen, “the peoples car”

    • iksnilol


      Meaning people’s pistol. The 9 obviously stating which caliber it is.

  • Wetcoaster

    That’s not confusing with HK’s VP9 pistol at all. Bloody marketing departments.

    • qb

      could be why the HK VP9 is called the SFP9 in europe

  • Actually the US back during nam developed a revolver that used quiet ammo. Even though it was a 38 it sounded like a silenced .22. It was a stub nose revolver used by tunnel guys.

    Also shotgun shells were developed that were quiet. The US and a few other countries use silent ammo for wet work along with silent revolver rifles and silent revolver handguns.

    • iksnilol

      They developed it, but didn’t really use it. There was some testing in 1969, where they found flaws so in 1970 they initiated a testing and improvement program. Withdrawal of US forces caused it and other programs to be terminated. The QSPR program was terminated around 1972.

      It wasn’t a .38. It used its own cartridge based on a metal cased .410 shell.

      Look it up, it’s called the QSPR Revolver.

      The whole silenced ammo concept is old, it started in the Pre-WW1 era but practical results were achieved in the 50’s and 60’s. This was due to improved materials and manufacturing.

      • The shells looked like .410 but of course were loaded quiet differently. .38 is about the strength of these compared to other rounds. There was live fire with the VC and NVA. Seems to have worked. Guess what research and use never stopped.

        Silenced ammo really came about due to Igor figuring out how to use a piston in a casing to launch a bullet.

        • iksnilol

          They were weaker than .38. And they did stop using them, otherwise they would have made more of them. Estimates are about 25-250 of the things were made.

          You see, contrary to you, I have a credible and reliable source: Max Popenker.

          Also, please put a comma between “guess what” and “research and use never stopped”. It’s just an eyesore to me.

          • Yeah I was refering to that site.

            Only a few hundred De Lisle Carbines but they were still being used by covert ops around the world. A good number of heavily used weapons by special forces around the world were only made in the dozens often times decades ago. If you talk to people that served in the Marines that did special service tasks you will find they did use quiet ammo in places like Iran and other such locations that officially the Marines are never sent into.

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, but the Delisle uses somewhat common ammo. I mean, .45 ACP is way easier to procure than .40 QSPR. Considering the latter isn’t in production anymore.

            Also, I have a feeling your marine buddies might have been yanking your leg. I doubt any of them authorized for covert ops and whatnot would be stupid enough to breach OPSEC like that.

          • If it is decades later and if the retired person doesn’t have the files or give specific details that would narrow things down the gov’t doesn’t care since OPSEC wouldn’t be breached. . Because it is considered hearsay yet everyone knows it is the truth. US Special forces use crossbows for example on certain missions and usually its a woman doing it. However anybody currently active will deny it when asked. Retired will give non specifics. I had relatives in the military with top secret clearance and often heard things from them about what they saw and did in the non specific manner. For example what landed at an airport from a former Russian state. It was a radar system that when went onto Area 51 to be tested against stealth designs. Even though the landing was reported in a paragraph blurb in the newspaper it was top secret and still is about what the test results were.

          • claymore

            Boy I sure wish there were women using crossbows in SF…….

          • Damn it, now everyone knows about gals with crossbows. The element of surprise is ruined. Good job, tootiredoftheright!

          • Secundius


            The British version of the OSS, the BSC (British Security Coordination) used .455 Webley’s (11.5×20) in their de Lisle Suppressed Carbines…

  • santi

    I have been wondering if I can even get this in the states?

  • FarmerB

    Err, I think larger animals – smaller critters get the needle. Like when a horse needs to be put down at a racetrack. Some places mandate a captive bolt system, because they don’t like guns 😉

  • disqus_e0XtJDMPfo

    Been 3 days. Where are the pics they were going to upload? Search has found no new articles.

  • OK, now you need an entire design institute and a couple of specialized small factories to keep producing them (to incredibly high standard I might add, because these cartridges are HAZARDOUS). Oh, you don’t have a state military budget on hand? Well, maybe you’ll have to settle on off-the-shelf stuff. And these Swiss now provide off-the-shelf Welrods )

  • Secundius

    Looks like a “Sandman’s” Plasma Pistol, for the 1976 movie Logan’s Run…

  • US it would be more expensive and people would buy it.

  • Secundius

    @ tootiredoftherights.

    Thanks, I’ll check them out…

  • Secundius

    @ santi.

    ARE YOU SERIOUS? That only $222.00 USD…

    • santi

      Correction 2000.00 Euros. sorry

      • Secundius

        @ santi.

        That’s still $6K USD. Cheaper than some Online Companies are Offering…

        • santi

          So you are saying as an American I can acquire this?

  • Blake

    Nice de Lisle review by MAC:

    good stuff 🙂