POTD: A Tround And Tround We Go

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Matt of the Historical Firearms blog sends us a few photos of the Dardick, a decidedly unusual handgun famous for its absolutely bizarre mechanism that combines both magazine feed and a revolving “nutcracker” cylinder, all made possible by its unusual ammunition, called “trounds”:

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YouTuber LifeSizePotato has done a review of the gun:



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  • ClintTorres

    Potential winner of “Ugliest Gun, Evar”!

    • hikerguy

      I agree, but the Owen SMG of Australia had to be a close second, LOL.

      • Tassiebush

        How dare you! Efficiency is beauty!

    • marathag

      Webley&Scott Auto and the Borchardt have Silver and Gold in that competition.
      Dardick could never win any competition, even for which gun was beat hardest with the ugly stick

    • USMC03Vet

      Still prettier than a FAL

  • Joseph A. Merrill III

    A Bad solution in search of a problem. I have at least one original tround stashed in a box with other rare ammo. The US Air Force fiddled with a 33 gr Flechette tround for an 8 barrel High rate gun. Projected cyclic rate of 80,000 rpm best they did was get 10 rounds out at that rate before debris jammed the gun. 2.75 Flechette warhead for the Mighty Mouse Rocket Follow on Production won out. The new Telescoped ammo for the Light Machine Gun that may go into production is a more well thought out design starting from Dardicks work. Better quality control of mass production plastics helps a lot.

  • BattleshipGrey

    I had no idea that the trounds fed down into the grip. That was a great video, although I had to stop watching after he finished dry-firing. Even though it was an extremely informative video, it was also extremely painful, seeing all the deficiencies that came with the design.

    • Zebra Dun

      I also did not know this, ya learn something every day at TFB.

  • jamezb

    This was by far the most info about the Dardick I’ve seen compiled.Great job!

  • Blackhawk

    As much as people may complain about the downsides of this gun, it has some major advantages when it comes to gun laws. Technically it isn’t a semi automatic, so if someone could make this design into a magazine fed rifle they could get around a lot of stupid gun laws.

    • Tassiebush

      Very true. Revolving rifles certainly get around that problem but in this form you get a detachable magazine and by having just three chambers it would have more potential accuracy given the lower chance of having a bad chamber.

      • Tom

        Its not a detachable magazine. Its feed from a blind magazine which you access from the right hand side – there is a little hatch you open and feed the trounds in.

        • Tassiebush

          Oh I missed that! Potential is there but it’s clearly a blind magazine as you say.

    • wetcorps

      In countries where semiautos are heavily restricted, getting around laws tends to make your gun immediately restricted by name, unfortunately.
      It was the case with the Rossi Circuit Judges here in France, and more recently with the lever action Adler in Australia (TFB should cover it, it’s a pretty neat gun).

      • Blackhawk

        True, but here in America that would require passing a new law. And that would mean our government would have to actually do work… Haha

        • RICH

          With all the crap thats been going on the last year i don’t think our government is capable of ‘work’ !

          • Blackhawk

            Exactly…

  • Sulaco

    With today’s computer printing manufacturing I don’t think making new ammo would be impossible. I asked my plastics engineer son and his opinion was cost for set up would be high but “printing” new empty trounds would be very doable. Loading after making new trounds would be an interesting challenge since you are loading powder into a plastic sleeve, placing a “wad” under the slug and not sure about the primer assemblage but I would think a work around could be easily found. Or come to think on it just pressing out trounds blanks from a designed press and cutting the shelf for the primer pocket would be easier and less costly. What do you guys think? If I ever find one I may go into the tround making biz.

    • Tassiebush

      I think making a sleeve for conventional rounds like Anton Gray Basson mentioned would be very viable and straightforward.

    • Blackhawk

      The gun could use cases that held conventional .38 special rounds (see the text in the second picture above). I believe you could collect the spent cartridges and reload the casings with new .38 rounds. 3D printing the conversion cases sounds like a great idea though, and would make one of these things economical to shoot.

  • Anton Gray Basson

    I always thought it was just a plastic sleeve fitted over a .38 round

    • For the pistol, that is correct, but there were purpose-made trounds, as well.

  • Budogunner

    That bore axis is SUPER high… the designer probably was, too.

    • Kelly Jackson

      Still lower than a Sig

  • Iggy

    There might be some problems with the design as is, but I always thought an improved dardick mechanism would be ideal for caseless ammo as it would protect the ammo, whilst also allowing the mechanism to cool to prevent the cook off problem/ chain fires (you could probably even rig up a system to blow air into the empty fired chamber to cool it/force out any catridge remnants) and its a heck of alot simpler than the G11. Would also allow for individual round (tround :P) top up if you could make the ammo robust enough.

  • patrickiv

    I bet the ammo would be very inexpensive to manufacture in large quantities. Seems like the action could be made more reliable than a G11.

  • Fruitbat44

    Fascinating piece. Thanks for the link. Hmmm . . . interesting comment from the chap on the video that actual hard data for the pistol was near impossible to find online. Even in this digital age the internet is not the font of all knowledge. And I think it was nice that he finished with the comment (paraphrasing) “Even if the pistol was crap, the guys making it were trying to something new in a quest for something better.”

  • MarcoPolo

    Fantastic video, thanks for sharing.

  • Tassiebush

    It looks like it was a great endeavour that just didn’t quite get there. The rifle stock and barrel to fit to the gun were a nifty idea too. It was a bold departure from how guns were supposed to look too.

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  • nova3930

    Last I saw trounds were going for like $50 a shot.
    Also, a prime example of “different” not being synonymous with “better”

  • Henrik Bergdahl

    I saw one of these fired in Switerland a couple of weeks ago. Went bang and hit bullseye. The owner has plans to 3d print trounds for his 2 dardiks. I hope he makes that happen 🙂

  • Martin M

    I think it gets even more silly. The gap flash is just unbelievable.

  • Zebra Dun

    Almost a gatling pistol.

  • Zebra Dun

    Overly complicated for a handgun.

  • Tassiebush

    Thanks for that! I hadn’t seen that on forgotten weapons before and I definitely will enjoy it 🙂