Indiana F wrote …

My new Type 97 rifle on its first day at the (in field) range. The rifle has a FTU unit, and a decent Hawke Red Dot that I’m using until I get a hold of something nicer. The Mags are IMI Defense 30 rounders pinned to 5 for compliance.

In Canada, these rifles are “non restricted” and can be used on crown land and other open-use wildernesses. The T97 is a gem, retailing for $1400 as configured, and feeds from AR-15 mags.

The Type 97 ranks highly on the list of guns I want to shoot but have never had the opportunity to do so.



  • Azril @ Alex Vostox

    Aftermarket-Customized Type 97 or Export-standard Type 97? It really doesn’t look like a standard Type 97..

    • Jon

      Most of the ARs we see here aren’t either…

    • Matrix3692

      Aftermarket Customized NSR T97.

  • Matrix3692

    You know, just recently Emei Firearms from China had just released their “5.56mm Semi-Automatic Rifle Model EM3516”, which is a T97 with factory standard flat-top and Key-Mod handguard.

  • Matrix3692

    You know, just recently Emei Firearms from China had just released their “5.56mm Semi-Automatic Rifle Model EM3516”, which is a T97 with factory standard flat-top and Key-Mod handguard.

    • Timothy G. Yan

      It’s not a true Keymod. I have an analysis write-up coming soon.

      • iksnilol

        Can it accept standard Keymod accessories?

        • Hard to tell from a photo but it looks like it might.

          • iksnilol

            I just found it weird, y’know? Unusual keymod, like, how can it be unusual? Either it is keymod or not.

  • Esh325

    It’s an aftermarket Canadian rail of course. I believe the Chinese are working on their own flatop rail.

  • Dracon1201

    Jesus. That is beautiful.

  • Rangefinder

    Hi Indiana F
    I live in Canada.
    Can you please tell me where you purchased the type 97?
    I would love to get one.

  • Manny Fal

    So is the Type 97 better than the Tavor, ignoring rails?

    • UCSPanther

      From my handing of both rifles, I have found that while the T97 feels more sturdy than the Tavor, it is not as well balanced or ergonomic.

      You get what you pay for as a general rule…

      • herr wolf

        shocking that yew would favor a Tavor over any other weapon ever made, that’s not like yew people at all

        • Reader

          Can this idiot be banned already? Second racist remark he’s made in this thread already.

          • Oh I banned him for the third or fourth time just now. Just a typical racist.

          • FourString

            Thanks sincerely for your guys’ stellar moderatorship. On the rare occasion I comment on other sites (smartphone news blogs, for instance), the mods let the trolls/zealots run rampant ._.

          • You are very welcome. I try and stay on top of things. Some may be up for a short time but I get rid of them as quickly as possible.

          • UCSPanther

            We don’t need the clueless supporters of a totalitarian regime that was destroyed 75 years ago mucking things up around here…

          • Very true sir-

      • Wetcoaster

        Have heard that the T97’s trigger is better out of the box though.

  • Bal256

    The little bans than every president signs chips at our ability to import cool weapons from around the world little by little. We’ll never see these in the US and now, we’ll never see new Russian guns in the US as well. I’m not holding my breath for any politician to be able to remove it in the future, which I’ll bet there will simply be more bans. On certain aspects of gun rights, we’ve been moving forward, but this one is nothing but losses.

    • Pete Sheppard

      Some things the Canadians DO get right…

      • Wetcoaster

        Domestic civilian market gun manufacturers aren’t a big interest group in Canada, so there’s less demand for protectionist legislation.

        Think about what the Type 97 would mean for the Kel-Tec RDB or 500-600 dollar M305s would mean for Springfield M1As.

        The US customer would definitely win if competition forced Kel-Tec to make better quality guns or Springfield to cut back on their margins, but why do that if you can just get a competitor locked out of your market via non-sporting provisions or outright bans?

        Gun-grabbers (for the non-sporting provisions) or Tiananmen (Chinese rifles and pistols) just provide convenient cover for industry lobbyists

        • toms

          The Chinese rifles and ammo weren’t banned until their Generals got caught selling machine guns in the us black market back in the early 90’s.

          • Wetcoaster

            I stand corrected. I suspect that lobbyists from Springfield et al were at the forefront for calling for an import ban instead of a straight fine or other measures in that case.

          • Kivaari

            Many Springfield guns were imported from Brazil (IMBEL).
            The M1911s still are.

    • Kivaari

      Kalashnikov USA is building guns here, models that can’t be imported.

    • Kivaari

      Pretty much all of the AR15, AKs, FAL and the like are all built in the USA. Here the quality control should be better.

  • Lance

    If we can get HR-2710 passed into law The we can import them here in the USA could buy them then.

  • herr wolf

    so we can import every ch#nk piece of garbage made except for their guns and ammo

  • TDog

    A part of me wishes this gun would be made available in the US. I want a cheap bullpup rifle that accepts standard NATO mags.

    On the other hand, I’m not so keen to see smaller gun companies face that sort of competition. Given the realities of modern trade, it’s unrealistic to expect a small gun company to go up against Norinco.

    • FourString

      Both fair points. Perhaps this is why the ban on Norinco firearms exists; on behalf of the American gun industry’s and the American economy’s interests. Sad either way.

      • tts

        The ban exists because Norinco got busted selling guns and RPG7’s to drug dealers right off the boat back in the 90’s.

        • FourString

          Yeesh, fair enough. But I can see why the gun lobby would have no interest in reintroducing Norincos into the States. Cosmically just not meant to be

          • Leaves in the wind

            Norinco does export guns to the US, but under different labels. Many of which are faithful reproductions/copies of Soviet/American/Russian/European firearms and work as well as the original, if not better.

            The real sh*t like the QBZ-95 (Which was ironically sold in Canada) are banned from the US market.

        • TDog

          Man… drug dealers get all the fun toys… 😉

  • toms

    Do they export 5.8×42 guns yet? I am impressed with the ballistics of the newer rounds and I expect the ammo is dirt cheap.

    • Matrix3692

      That would be impossible. Even their closest allies weren’t even allow import on the new 5.8×42mm round, which the Chinese are considering to be their proprietary national defense ammunition.

      • toms

        Saw some 5.8 sold in the Philipeans a while back, not idea if official or not.

  • FourString

    This is one firearm Canada gets that the USA does not. Makes up partly for the AR-15/AK inequality, eh?

    • Indiana Finney

      Yeah. I mean, we can get $200 SKSes, cheap 7.62×39, and $500 M14s from Norninco. But still, you guys get to shoot your AKs and ARs wherever you like, something that is foreign to Canadians.

      • FourString

        No place is perfect, but each country’s got its perks, then, ah?

      • Matrix3692

        the factory standard magazine was pinned to 10 rounds or 5 rounds, so take a guess where are they intended……

        • Indiana Finney

          Yeah I noticed just after I posted. That mag looks identical to the factory steel magazine that came with mine. Pair all this with the new purpose-built LA-K12 Puma semi-auto 12 gauge based on the T97, and I think it’s safe to say that Canada is a big market for Norinco products.

  • John Yossarian

    “Crown land” *Barf!* Are the tyrants still so obvious in Canada?

    • UCSPanther

      FYI Crown land in Canada is the equivalent of Public Land in the US.

      Any links that Canada has to England are purely ceremonial.

    • Tom

      Your aware the Queen has no actual power in any of her territories even Sark and that places is practically feudal.

    • David Sharpe

      It’s no different from “Public land” in the US….

    • Indiana Finney

      Yeah, it’s totally public land, in that Resource Harvesting, Camping, Hunting, and Shooting are all allowed (Minus “restricted” firearms such as pistols, AR-Variants, and Short Barreled rifles) As such, it’s a great experience to drive an F150 up, set up some tables, post targets, and spend a day shooting in between fly-swatting.