Handl SCAR47

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It seems that AK variants are gaining in popularity and gun manufacturers are making their versions. Such as Faxon Firearms ARAK and CMMG’s Mutant. Well Handl Defense is taking a crack at it. Handl Defense makes aluminum lowers for SCAR platforms. Their SCAR25 lower allows the use of AR10/SR25 magazines to be used with a SCAR 17S.

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Handl Defense is making an AK47 magazine compatible lower receiver to work with a SCAR 17/MK17/MK20 upper receiver. It will be CNC out of 7075-T6 aluminum. Since the SCAR platform uses the upper receiver as the registered firearm, swapping the lower receiver is simple and legal.

No word on price just yet but you can check it out on their website.

 

 



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  • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

    Umm what about the barrel ?? And the Piston system?

    • Nicholas Chen

      Yeah I dont understand how you can shoot 7.62×39 out of a 7.62×51 barrel/chamber.

      • MR

        McAce sells a chamber adapter for bolt guns, apparently the bolt face is close enough on those. Not sure how it would react to semi auto. The extra jump to the rifling might also cost some accuracy.

        • Not to mention it is not a good idea to shoot .311 caliber bullets in a .308 bore…

          • MR

            The Finns seemed to make it work.

          • No, they haven’t. If you are referring to the people who shoot .311 out of M39s, bear in mind that most of those bores slug out to .310.

            Just because you can do it without the rifle exploding doesn’t mean you should. Assuming the jacket doesn’t separate, you will prematurely ware your barrel and it will cause a decrease in accuracy.

          • iksnilol

            If that worries you then I can show you some shell cases that would scare the bejeezus out of you.

            This is what the Norwegians call “308 Idiot”:

            http://i54.tinypic.com/1z3xnv5.jpg

            It happens when you fire 308 or 7.62×51 through a 7.62×63 chamber.

            I doubt .311 through a .308 bore is so bad. I doubt the pressure would spike so much for it to be dangerous.

          • That is not good.

          • iksnilol

            A bit embarassing I used the wrong picture.

          • MR

            Regardless, I don’t really think that someone who laid down the cash fora SCAR, then bought this separate lower, is gonna settle for a twenty dollar insert.

          • iksnilol

            Those pictures I posted weren’t from a twenty dollar insert. They were simply people loading the wrong cartridge into their rifle (sometimes intentionally).

          • MR

            I wasn’t intending to suggest that. I was just saying that regardless of the danger or safety of firing a .311 bullet through a .308 bore, people who own a Scar will likely want a more elegant solution.

          • iksnilol

            Ah, you have a good point.

            Again, I really doubt that the 0.003 of an inch is going to cause dangerous pressure spikes or separate the jacket.

          • Don’t worry about it. The rim dimensions were so distorted that at first I was sure I was looking at a 7.62×39 fired through a 7.62 NATO chamber, not a 7.62 NATO fired through a .30-06!

            Among ammunition mixups, though, I’m told that’s one of the least dangerous.

          • iksnilol

            I don’t know about safety. I haven’t heard aboit accidents but this mixup usually happens with Mausers (AKA Norwegian Mosin). The explanation I heard was that the claw extractor holds well enough onto the cartridge to keep it aligned. Thus making it “safe”.

    • Mr. FN

      I believe there are aftermarket barrels/bolts available in 39, as well as 556 plus a new lower for the SCAR 17 (to take STANAG mags and such). Can’t remember the name of the company for the life of me.

      PS They also make a .300blk barrel for the SCAR 16

      • MANG

        HDD Tactical

  • Andrey Martim

    I remember that the original SCAR designs had a 7.62x39mm version, but they scrapped it out. This makes perfect sense to a modular rifle.

  • Now, this is excellent news.

    • FN Fanboi

      They should fix the pmag lower so it works before moving on to making another one. They didn’t exactly set the world on fire with the last one that doesn’t work with pmags. The response from Aaron over at HD when this was brought to his attention, “Buy Lancer mags.” Don’t advertise it as working with pmags then!

      • mike smith

        The SCAR 25 was designed to work with Gen2 PMAGS, the Gen3 have a smaller tower (3.06-3.07″ by 1.08). They both still work with the SCAR 25. The Lancer 7.62×51 are the best 308 magazines out IMO. He was actually helping you out. There is a reason the British MOD threw away their PMAGS

  • Zachary marrs

    “It seems that AK variants are gaining in popularity and gun manufacturers are making their versions. Such as Faxon Firearms ARAK and CMMG’s Mutant.”

    This isn’t an ak variant, this is a scar variant

    • Jon

      i guess you didnt read that the new lower is to accept AK mags…which in turn would mean you would have to mod the upper to AK parts to accept the round…

      • Zachary marrs

        So by that logic, the lar 47, cmmg mutant, sig 556r are ak’s?

        The bolt is different from the ak’s as is the trigger group, barrel, the reciever, the stock, the handguard, the pistol grip, and the carrier.

        By the logic you are using, a keltec su16 is an ar, as is the tavor, and the deawoo k2, the mossberg mvp is an ar too, not to mention the Remington 7615

        If you think that is an ak, you are blind as a bat, or you don’t know much about firearms

        • BaconLovingInfidel

          The Sig 556r is pretty much an AK.

          • Zachary marrs

            No its not

          • andrey kireev

            AK’s don’t have upper and lower receivers last time i checked.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            No, but it’s internal design is about as original as the Galil. It’s a slightly modified Kalashnikov system. I would consider the separate receivers an advantage if Sig USA had the same fit, finish and quality control as the Swiss rifles.

          • Starhoof

            Idk, I heard all about rifle quality issues…. Their handguns are impeccable though

    • andrey kireev

      Pretty sure he meant that They are taking advantage of AK platform in general including the magazines and rounds it shoots…

      • Zachary marrs

        Then how come someone makes an ak that shoots 5.56 and uses ar mags, it doesn’t get called an ar?

        But when someone makes an ar that shoots 7.62×39 and uses ak mags, its an ak?

        • andrey kireev

          They don.t…… I don’t think Author conveyed his thoughts correctly lol

  • Dracon1201

    Ooooohhhh, aaahhhhhhh, eeeeeeeeeee!

    Still too rich for my blood. Hopefully it runs well, people adopt it, and I can drink and watch YouTube vids of it.

    • 360_AD

      Great for those who already have a SCAR and think the AK is too old to be cool. Cost of one of receivers is likely to cost as much as a full AK. And you’ll still need to shell out more money for stuff like a x39 specific bolt and barrel assembly.

      • BaconLovingInfidel

        Yeah, cool concept, but impractical for those not operating with a DoD black book budget.

  • iksnilol

    Uh, AK mags are usually steel and that lower is aluminum? Won’t that cause wear on the receiver rapidly? Or do they have some reinforcement for the magazine?

    • David

      HK mags are steel & the HK 416 receivers are some mystery aluminum.

      • ostiariusalpha

        Yes, but the H&K mags are still captured by a steel mag release. It is probable that this new SCAR lower has steel inserts, just like the RRA LAR-47 & CMMG Mutant.

        • 360_AD

          And second generation Sig 556R.

          • myndbender

            What a disappointment that was. Gen 2 was slightly better, with the steel magwell inserts, but with the Sig name & price, I expected a more solid rifle, & don’t even get me started on the XI. It had so much potential, but when I watched MAC test it, & it couldn’t get through even a few rounds w/o jams or feed issues, my heart sank. I’m hoping the long wait on the MCX is b/c SIG has finally decided to iron out all of the bugs before shipping yet another lemon. My apologies for going on a slightly off topic tangent, but I’d really like to see SIG get their US rifle house in order!

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            All 3 of my Gen2s have been flawless. My first is on its third owner with the barrel shot out but still runs like hell. Maybe 2-3 clearly ammo related failures in 25,000 rounds. The owner is scared to send it back for rebarrelling.

            The Xi rollout is just tragic. How could they frag that up? Why is final engineering and quality control such a challenge for Sig USA? Can’t they get some advice from their Swiss cousins?

            The Xi mess scared me off the MCX but I’m still in love with the idea. Get yer $#!+ straight, Sig!

    • 360_AD

      Only if the areas where the mag locks up to the lower is Aluminum. A steel insert would solve that issue. If not, there are plenty of working polymer AK mags available.

    • C.j. Singleton

      the RRA, CMMG, and SIG rifles all have aluminum lowers they use a steel catch pin for the front of the mags

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Cheap Russian ammo near extinction… Now the AK variants/adaptations come out. Makes sense!

    • 360_AD

      Still plenty coming from countries other than Russia. Lucky for us, some of those are now part of NATO.

  • One of the things that make the AR platform guns appealing is that there’re guns available in every price range. Same with AKs. The problem with the SCAR is that while it’s “interesting”, it’s also extremely expensive and to my knowledge doesn’t really do a heck of a lot different than an AR/AK.

    All drawbacks of the gun itself aside from a usage perspective, if you’re dropping $2800 on a SCAR, is there *really* a huge market for a receiver that allows you to use AK mags? Is there even a conversion for the SCAR to handle 5.45 or 7.62×39?

  • Josh

    Back when the Bushmaster/Remington ACR was in development as the Masada, there was going to be a 7.62×39 option for that as well. Don’t know whatever came of it however.

    • 360_AD

      Nothing came of it. Still no caliber change option to-date. Vaporware.

  • Lance

    Plastic piece of junk want a real 7.62×39 rifle get a AKM!

    • sauerquint

      This lower will probably cost more than an Ak in the US.

  • Sid Collins

    It seems to me… and I might be wrong… that the appeal of the AK was that it was cheap and near-maintenance free. All of the retired military members telling stories of 3rd world soldiers maintaining an AK with a knotted boot lace for bore cleaning and what not. If a company decides to go high end, then you lose both appealing characteristics. The gun is no longer cheap and it requires informed maintenance. As others have noted, cheap surplus ammo is not as cheap and available as it once was. I think this idea is misplaced.

    • CommonSense23

      Those 3rd world soldiers’s AKs don’t work as well as people think. AKs still need a good maintenance program if you plan to equip a force of any size that actually does training.

  • mechamaster

    They should sell it in 3-in-1 SCAR caliber conversion kit ( Lower receiver + bolt-head + barrel ) lol.

  • TexianPatriot

    A solution in search of a problem. A reliable piston driven 7.62×39. Wait, it already exists, and there millions of them, and they are cheap. And they are much more accurate than their reputation would have you believe.

    • 360_AD

      If you know Handl, they are not in business to solve practical problems. They are in business to sell high dollar parts to people with deep pockets… who are convinced they have a problem that need addressing (money burning hole in pocket).

    • BaconLovingInfidel

      My milled Bulgies were easily MOA rifles with quality ammo.

  • Cornelius Carroll

    Can we get some stuff in 5.45×39? Please?

    • BaconLovingInfidel

      No. Not until you can convince a US ammo maker to embrace 5.45. And then I’ll be pissed that I got rid of my 74s.

  • Budogunner

    Even though I don’t own an AK, I would argue there isn’t really anything wrong with the platform. I appreciate what they are trying to do with the SCAR, but this feels like modding an Xbox One to accept atari 2600 cartridges. There is nothing wrong with the 2600 either, they still work, and are a hell of a lot cheaper than a modded Xbox One.

    • BaconLovingInfidel

      My Intellivision was the Schitt. For about 3 weeks. Then, the kid down the street got the 5200.

  • HunterCurt

    Nice but expensive. I’m waiting for someone to simply produce a
    domestic AK (like Century Arms maybe?) with a stiffer medium contour barrel
    that brings a more reasonable level of accuracy to the 7.62×39.

  • buzzman1

    Handl Defense makes quality products. The SCAR25 is much more ergonomically correct and its mush easier and cheaper to get mags for.