Noir CZ Scorpion Pistol Review Video

CZ scorpion pistol

Colion Noir got his hands on the CZ Scorpion Evo3 A1 pistol. As mentioned in our earlier post, the Evo3 A1 will be retailing at a steal of only $849.99. The 30 rd translucent magazines? They will be under $20. Watch out Sig MPX you got a competitor. Oh and he shows us the Sig Brace adapter.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • JumpIf NotZero

    The last time we talked about this a whole bunch of anti-blowback-commandos showed up… But now that it’s priced so the Keltec and Taurus buyers can afford it, I bet it gets a warmer reception.

    (Not that it shouldn’t, this gun looks great, there is just nothing at all wrong with blowback, there is actually a lot right with it… Despite comments made around here)

    • That and it does have a few years of established use in Cz. We’re not beta testers here.

      • Kovacs Jeno

        it is also sold in tens of thousands quantity to Egyptian police. The full auto smg of course.

    • andrey kireev

      What exactly is wrong with blowback system anyways ? Just trying to figure it out….

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Nothing is wrong with it. It has pros and cons like anything else.

        Pros are it’s reliable. It’s cheap, the bolt can carrier are very simply to make. It’s a known quantity, you have this much weight with this much spring, the physics-101 difficulty can not be any easier to work out.

        The Cons are that you need to balance the ammo and the backpressure to the weight and spring force. If you want a really smooth gun running subsonic suppressed, it’s going to be a different beast when you go +P+ ammo. The idea is that gas system guns can be easier adjusted (in theory anyway) by allowing more or less gas into the system. You can tune blowback by adding more weight or a different spring, again though mostly theory can not practice. Blowback guns because they need to run in a wide scenario typically weigh more and/or have more recoil.

        Hybrid systems like the MP5 can be a mixed bag. My fullsize MP5 runs awsome with a 90º or 100º locking piece. The MP5-K I had wouldn’t run worth a damn with the same locking piece. It would have needed a 110º or so. Sold it before I could find out.

        • andrey kireev

          I’m kind of wondering how Cz handled said potential issues, and just how reliable new Scorpion is going to be… I guess I’ll find out when I buy it hehe

          • DiverEngrSL17K

            The history of Czechoslovakian-made ( and now Czech-made and Slovakian-made ) firearms has consistently shown that they are generally very well-designed, well-made, accurate and thoroughly reliable weapons that will withstand the worst battlefield abuses. Judging from what I have read from multiple ( and differing ) sources about the Scorpion EVO, this gun is little, if any, different.

    • Seburo

      P90 and MP5 are blowback operated, and I hardly see anybody complaining about them. Aside from the usual crowds of haters.

      • Giolli Joker

        I don’t remember about P90, but MP5 is a roller delayed blowback, not a plain and simple blowback… it somehow falls in another category.
        BTW, blowback supporter, here.

        • noob

          I read that the P90 had a strange system where the barrel recoiled with the bolt a short distance, staying together until the pressure dropped to safe levels. then the bolt goes on its merry way and does it’s bolt things.

          I have no idea what that kind of operating system is called.

          • Giolli Joker

            It sounds exactly like the one used by Kel-Tec PMR… I guess it was defined hybrid blow-back of something similar by a Kel-Tec engineer.

    • Cognitive dissonance. It is easy to hate things you can’t afford or that are expensive.

    • Zachary marrs

      I originally had no interest in these, but after seeing the price, i might just get me one.

      Seems like a good way to get into the sbr game

    • noguncontrol

      they werent anti blowback, they just thought 1800 is way too much for a blowback gun, and they are right, for 1800, there should be a gas system and a locked breech, 850 is still expensive but at least that is tolerable.

  • andrey kireev

    I really want one, therefore I’m extremely curious when these are supposed to be released for sale….. Hopefully before I get back to states !

    • Ian Thorne

      Their facebook says shipping mid January, so in stores late Jan-Early Feb. I would expect solid info at SHOT 2015.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        I bet this all puts SIG into overdrive. The number of people that will own both is going to be very small. The number of people that will see the two as equal despite the actual differences is going to be large, and then it’ll come down to the $1000 premium.

        Whoever can release first, will literally be stealing sales from the other. Assuming both are quality designs with merits, there could be a tangible advantage in being first to market.

        • Ian Thorne

          I was excited for the Sig for a while time, but lost interest once I saw the AR style charging handle. To me that stupid design is one of the worst abominations in the gun market. The only worse place for it I can think of is somehow putting it in front of the muzzle. So that was a deal breaker for me. If they bring out a side charging variant I will take a second look.

          I am not sure the SIG coming out first would do too much to the Scorpion sales. I would think the price difference will keep away a lot of people, I don’t see people who want a $850 dollar gun buying something more than twice as expensive because it came out first.

          But I can see the CZ stealing SIG sales if people see that and say “why don’t I just get this instead?”. Or maybe not, I am no sales pro by any stretch of the imagination.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    SIG’s delay on the MPX and the $70-$80 magazines are going to be a harder and harder sell as the delay goes on and on. There have been unofficial claims of them shipping to distributors in “two weeks” for almost a year.

    The longer SIG takes, the more people will question wether they need to spend the $1000 premium for a closer/modern MP5 replacement. I’m still on the fence, I’d pay the premium for the SIG if it’s shown that the action is slower and suppresses better.

    This review did have a lot of gas out the action in almost all the shots. Has me concerned for suppressed use.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Those 3/6/9 rails look like they are modeled in and that’s unfortunutate. If CZ was smart they would be working double time on an MLOK version.

    • iksnilol

      You mean, the should be working on a Keymod version?

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Since keymod doesn’t work well in plastic. No. I meant MLOK.

        • iksnilol

          I was hoping the rails were metal, ugh. Then again I don’t use rails except for optics.

          • hydepark

            That’s odd, iksnilol, because I’ve never seen optics on a Keymod mount. And I’m with Jump on the MLOK.

          • iksnilol

            I thought Keymod was in fashion now, while MLOK was Magpuls better version that was mistimed and thus didn’t get the popularity it deserves?

            I am really not one of the tactical guys.

  • Rich Guy

    I plan on SBR’ing it and sticking it next to my nightstand..

    • JumpIf NotZero

      I have a similar idea, but would not attempt to rely upon before I take that setup into a carbine class that has a shoot-house element.

  • aweds1

    Are stocks available for eForm 1s? What’s the thread pitch for a suppressor? My CZ75 may need a companion.

    • Tim U

      CZ has announced factory stocks will be available to people who want to go Form 1.

      • hydepark

        Can you link to this announcement? I called CZ last week and they confirmed the $850 price tag and said they were expected on shelves around February or so. The rep I spoke with also said there would be no OEM style stocks just a Sig brace / AR adapter. I’d only be interested in having the original style stock. And Sig is currently the laughing stock of the firearms world over the MPX delays. What a joke.

        • Ian Thorne

          PERSON: Are we going to be able to order the original collapsible stock to sbr?
          Like · November 27 at 12:36pm
          CZ-USA We’re planning on having them available for that purpose.
          Later they confirmed it with at least two more comments saying it will be here.

          • hydepark

            That’s good to hear. When was this exchange made on Facebook?

          • Ian Thorne

            That particular one was the 27th on the official announcement post.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Careful getting your hopes up. DSA brought in Brügger & Thomet stocks for the MP9/TP9… damn piece of garbage was $160 for a tiny piece of plastic that sucked in every possible way.

            So, very cool if they bring in the stocks for Form1 guys (ME!) but if it’s $300 that would be another matter.

          • Ian Thorne

            Wow, I usually consider B&T to be a nice high end maker. Their HK stuff is really nice. I didn’t know they made some junk stocks.

            Yeah, I am going to form 1 it as soon as it is in my hands. I am not sure 300 would be a deal breaker for me, I am sure the arm brace set up will be mid 200 range anyway, but it might delay the matching pair I want. We will have to wait and see.

            But either way the MP5 clone with arm brace set up I built this summer was well over 2K, so this would still be a deal if the stock was overpriced. But I don’t expect CZ to do that. I have never known them to overprice things, just not make enough of them so others mark them up to hell…

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Typically B&T does make good stuff. That product was just not fully baked. Terribly expensive parts, and ran like garbage suppressed. Two shots and you were literally blind, and I have a large volume can. Sold the whole thing. Notice that now B&T is showing the APC9 which is almost exactly what CZ is actually shipping (blowback and all).

            What I think is funniest is that HK must be sitting around like, pfft, a modern MP5 from SIG, that’ll never sell. Pfft, a UMP like gun from CZ at the price we said the UMP would be, they’ll be sitting on the shelves forever. We’re HK and we hate money…. and you.

          • Ian Thorne

            Hmm, good to know. Thanks for the info.

            HK has way more problems than they can deal with unfortunately and I don’t see them surviving their 2018 dept cycle. I think they would love to bring out some good products here, but legalities and their crippling debt make doing what they need to do difficult at best.

            But I still have my hopes for the HK293 actually making it out. I hope they have some real solid info on it at SHOT. Gotta get it before they go under.

    • Ian Thorne

      Their Facebook comments say the stock will be imported. Also the thread pitch is metric 18×1 and SilencerCo is making a thread converter for it.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        I’ll have to start looking for a M18x1 to three-lug adapter….. Wait, you sure that’s right? 18mm is .7″ That seems…. HUGE.

        • Ian Thorne

          I would love the three lug as well to easily go from that to my MP5 clone.

          I am sure, from their facebook rep responding to the question

          “It is a metric 18×1. At the moment SilencerCo is going to make an adapter, we run ours with an Octane 9 can.”

  • Kovacs Jeno

    We can have _legally_ the normal stocked semiauto, but retail is cca. 2500 US dollars.

    • BattleshipGrey

      What is your locale?

      • Kovacs Jeno

        Hungary, East Europe.

        • BattleshipGrey

          Why is there such a big price difference? Is it a supply issue and/or extra taxation or legislation?

          • Kovacs Jeno

            27percent VAT, plus very low number of possible sales. Small market = importer should share the costs (import licence, transport) between small number of guns.

  • BattleshipGrey

    GREAT pricing on the weapon AND mags in configurations that work for various needs/wants?!! Well played CZ, well played.

  • mosinman

    i always thought a new production VZ.61 in 7.62×25 would be really cool.
    i do like the looks of this new gun though

    • iksnilol

      It would have to be redesigned for that cartridge due to the much higher pressure of 7.62×25 vs .32 ACP.

      Though would be nice to see a really small smg in 7.62×25.

      • mosinman

        naturally, but i’m sure it could be done while still being cosmetically similar

  • echelon

    Ok. Now we are officially talking.

  • Ratcraft

    Too big and bulky. Doesn’t look like a Scorpion. Like naming a 4 door a “Charger”. Still cool though.

  • hydepark

    Yeah, you’re right. Those crap 1911’s and Glocks and all those other junk semi-auto pistols that jam half the time because of that outdated design make me want to puke. You should consider being a guest author on this blog.

  • DiverEngrSL17K

    Good informative video about an excellent weapon in the SMG category ( even though the semi-automatic version is classified here in the U.S. as a “pistol” for legal reasons ) — many thanks to Colion Noir and Nicholas C. for bringing this to us on TFB!

  • Camilo Emiliano Rosas Echeverr

    He actually uses the sig brace in the video

  • Blake

    Excellent review.

    Impressive watching a full-auto mag dump from the original .32 ACP Skorpion not knock down the steel popper targets…

    Especially with the ongoing rimfire ammo shortage, I imagine more folks are considering 9mm carbines.

  • Kevho

    We also have the Scorpion EVO3 S1 here in Costa Rica for $2.375. It comes with the original factory folding stock, two 20 rd. mags, snake bore cleaner, sling, and mag pouch; extra 30 rd. mags go for $60. Consider yourselves to be very lucky with a MSRP of $849, the street price will probably be around $730 and adding the Sig brace will still be under a grand if you could get your hands on one fast enough!

  • noob

    are handstops okay on pistols?

    • Cymond

      Yes, as is the Magpul AFG. No word on whether or not similar angled foregrips are OK. Logically, they should be, but it’s a grey area until the ATF issues rulings on those specific parts.

  • hydepark

    Based on my conversation with a CZ rep very recently, this sounds bogus. He confirmed the $850 MSRP and the early 2015 release date. From everything I’ve read about the EVO, CZ seems to have their ducks in a row as far as getting quantity and quality on the shelves. Maybe that’s just me being optimistic, though. I would be more than a little shocked to see $2000 price tags on these right next to the $1600 to $1800 MPX’s (assuming Sig actually releases the damn things and there isn’t another you-know-what between now and then).

    I’m not an industry expert by any means, and I will say that watching the whole MPX shitshow has been eye-opening. Phil, one of the senior writers for this blog, was delivering wholesale nonsense “intel” packaged as truth straight from his insider Sig rep left and right a few months ago. I encourage anyone who’s interested to go back and find that article and pay close attention to the comments section. Much if not all of what he originally wrote was and is totally erroneous. Who knows what the truth behind the EVO or MPX will actually be six months to a year from now, let alone two weeks.

  • cawpin

    $849 is a steal? No. You guys need to reevaluate what a normal person can afford and can get for that kind of money. That isn’t a deal.

  • RealitiCzech

    Direct Gas Impingement has been around since the 1940s in production firearms, and existed in 1901 in experimental models.
    Pistons have been around since the 1900s.
    Tilting-barrel recoil has been used since the 1910s.
    Blowback is 1890s and 1900s technology, see Maxim’s idea for a semi-automatic pistol.
    It’s all very old technology. And it pretty much all works.

    Besides, you’re shooting pistol cartridges.