Keltec CMR30 Draws Nearer

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Oleg Volk posted a public release on Alloutdoor.com. According to Oleg, Keltec is ramping up for a massive release later this year. Supposedly several thousand will be released. Many of you and I have been waiting for the carbine version of the PMR30. Keltec changed the name from RMR30 to the CMR30 to avoid any confusion in names with Trijicon’s sight.

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I had posted earlier that, at SHOT 2014, my contact at Keltec had informed me that the CMR30 will be released this year. It seems his prediction was correct.

According to Oleg, the rifle is very light at just under 3 lbs. He also says that the CMR30 is pure blowback compared to the hybrid delayed blowback mechanism of the PMR30. However this does not affect extraction of the long 22wmr casing.

He does mention two limitations. The stock is not very robust and the stock sling loops are small and probably require paracord. for slings.

 

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It seems like a rather accurate and a fun little gun. It will be a great pairing with the PMR30. As Oleg points out, the CMR30, a holstered PMR30, and a spare magazine on the belt provides a shooter with 90 rounds on demand.



Nicholas C

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  • Evil13RT

    That thing needs a swappable stock option.
    I’d love to attach a FN Fal style skeleton stock.

  • Turner

    It took me forever to find an msrp PMR-30, but it was worth it. With God as my witness, I will have one of these, no matter how long it takes.

    • SD3

      Are you sure? Kel Tec only produces a half dozen rifles per year.

      • Turner

        The secret to getting rare keltec firearms is cdnn sports. They don’t have prices listed but they are right at msrp.

        http://www.cdnnsports.com/firearms.html?brand=967&limit=40

        Refresh this page several times a day, everyday until what you want is in stock. I got a Sub 2k earlier this month and my friend got a pmr-30 just this week.

        • AK™

          I also heard a rumor that big stores like Wal-Mart and K-Mart used to carry rare ammo called .22LR. It was just sitting out too.

          • Turner

            rare1
            rer/
            adjective
            (of a thing) not found in large numbers and consequently of interest or value.

            Sounds like the definition of rare to me, if you’re going to be a smartass at least be right. FYI, if you want a pmr-30, cdnn has 12 in stock right now.

      • John

        Wow, they’ve really stepped up production!

    • Nicholas Chen

      It took a while for me as well. But I got lucky and got two PMR-30 this year for MSRP.

    • herb

      Yep, I won’t use gunbroker because they’ve burnt their bridge with me. I
      should have seen it coming since they don’t have a customer support
      phone number. But I’d like to score a CMR30 from some other source at
      some point.

      I’m resigned to biding my time and checking a few
      suppliers that look OK, maybe this cdnn, eh, every couple of weeks or so until one is available
      at a reasonable price.

  • northafrican

    the charging handle’s position is a bit awkward even if that is a non reciprocating one

    • SpazC

      … Its in roughly the same location as the ak47/74…. they aren’t awkward to charge.

      • northafrican

        i mean the space between your fingers and the ch is 1/2″

  • Don Ward

    Oh good. The world needs more Keltec fail videos.

  • WojtekimbieR

    Looks like 30 funs to me

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  • Cornelius Carroll

    *cue X-Files music*

  • JumpIf NotZero

    As a suppressed SBR, might make a cute range toy. As any resemblance of a gun I’d trust anything at all to, Nope.

    • Zachary marrs

      Sbr it and it’d make a neat pack rifle

      • noob

        @olegvolk:disqus – does the barrel move when firing or is it fixed? would shortening the barrel alter the function or reliability of the CMR30?

        • Oleg Volk

          The barrel is fixed, shortening it would just change velocity and back pressure. You might need a suppressor or a muzzle booster if you go very short.

  • valorius

    More kel tec vaporware.

    What is the msrp for this neat little gadget?

    • Oleg Volk

      $650

      • gunsandrockets

        Ack!

        • Oleg Volk

          Not that bad compared to a PS90 or an (unavailable) MP7.

  • UpstateShooter

    How did he get Michael Jackson, dead at that, to pose for that top photo?

    • Xanderbach

      It’s halloween.

      Obviously.

    • El Duderino

      That girl has bigger biceps than Jacko’s.

  • wetcorps

    Once again, the old saying is confirmed to be true.

    “Kel-Tec makes just enough guns to arm Oleg Volk’s models.”

  • Would make for a fine Zombie Gun.
    If it’s reliable.

    • gunsandrockets

      If. IF! Here’s hoping.

      • Oleg Volk

        I have two of them here and both are reliable once I thought to oil the bolts. They didn’t run well bone dry.

        • AK™

          Have you tried using Fireclean?

  • Michael Pham

    “Massive release”

  • Paul Epstein

    Why use the fragile stock when the SMG they were showing off a while back had a very durable looking stock that also held spare magazines?

    • Oleg Volk

      This way, it collapses for storage and length of pull can be adjusted.

  • Secundius

    If you want to UP the performance of the “Artillery Pistol”, us .22TCM (Tuason Craig Micromagnum) ammunition instead of the .22WMR ammunition.

    • Oleg Volk

      22TCM would require locked breech. It would also reduce magazine capacity from 30 to 20 and up the cost of ammunition from $13-15 per 50 rounds to $25.

      • Secundius

        @ Oleq Volk.

        Sir, I know of at least 3-people who have already used the .22TCM round in the Kel-Tec CMR-30 “Widget”, and they say they liked it better than the .22WMR round.

        • awildman

          Would love to know how they got a .22tcm in the cmr-30, a bottle necked .223 case in a .22wmr may?

      • Secundius

        @ Oleg Volk.

        Why are you giving me a “Catch-22” answer. First, you say it CAN’T be done. Then you say it CAN be done. That’s an Oxymoron…

    • gunsandrockets

      More suitable chambering for SUB-2000.

      • Cymond

        Except the 22TCM needs a 45ACP magwell because the rounds are so long.

        • MrPotatoHead

          Incorrect. The .22TCM uses double stack Para .38 Super mags on a .38 Super frame to accommodate the longer round. If it used a standard .45 1911 frame/mag, you would have seen conversion kits for it by now.

          • Cymond

            Oh, so it’s even less practical than I thought. Good to know, and even more reason why we won’t see one in a Sub-2000.

        • gunsandrockets

          So? A SUB-2000 in .22 TCM caliber would use a different grip for something like a Glock 21 magazine.

      • J S

        If they made a sub2000 in 22 TCM, I would be all over that.

  • Zoopie

    THIS

  • Secundius

    This is Kel-Tec’s Make-It or Break-It Swann Song. There financial records doesn’t look good…

    • herb

      Could you elaborate? I have read a few articles on them, haven’t seen their financial records. I mean, I’m no business person, but it’s a privately owned company, I wouldn’t have thought much of that kind of info would be readily available.

      And, like I said, I read a few articles, at least two said they’re expanding but at limited pace, and their product line keeps growing, and it seems demand outpaces supply at MSRP, all of which if I didn’t know better I’d take as positive signs…

      • Tallen

        Herb you are correct. Kel-Tec has expanded their production space and equipment significantly over the last year and a half. The owner does not take out loans for growth and pays for everything up front, so all that shiny new equipment is theirs whether the CMR30 catches on or not. The RDB surely will if they continue making those nice bullpup triggers.

    • Being a private company if you found in depth financial information on them it’s probably fake info. I haven’t heard a word about the company being in financial trouble. Most likely another rumor from someone who doesn’t like the company but never owned or shot one of their guns!

  • justme

    Kel-tec needs to go away, and they have no one to blame but themselves.

  • derfelcadarn

    More guns from Keltec that you cannot buy. What is the point ?

    • gunsandrockets

      Actually legal in California. Well, legal except for the magazine. D’oh!

  • Oleg Volk

    I test-fired it with more care today. Depending on the ammo, it gave 1/3″ to 1/2″ 5-shot groups at 25 yards, with the rifle not rested, just supported by my elbows off the bench.
    The first batch of about 30 guns just got released, and Keltec is shipping 500 to 1000 by year’s end.

    • Shadow

      Does it come with metal mag bodies yet?

      • Oleg Volk

        It doesn’t and probably won’t. Same mags as PMR30.

  • Shadow

    Do they have metal mags yet so the rims of loaded mags don’t swage the sidewalls under spring tension and lead to rimlock?

    No?

    Not interested.

    • Oleg Volk

      I’ve had an RMR/CMR30 for three years now. I have not got rimlock with it once.

  • lifetimearearesident

    So which is better pure blowback or delayed blowback?

  • Julio

    The boilerplate Kel-Tec bashing is just OLD. Or perhaps its part of a new retro trend in internet use. Either way it’s neither informative nor constructive. As this post is heading that way I’ll practice what I preach and shut up.

  • robert

    How is that legal in length? the only thing I can think of is that you cannot fire it unless the stock is deployed….has anyone addressed that issue?

    • Slvrwrx

      The OAL on a federal level is with the stock extended. 30″ or so is legal rifle. Unless they made it so it doesn’t fire with the stock collapsed?

  • DiverEngrSL17K

    What with all the long-term controversy surrounding Keltec and the availability ( or non-availability ) of their products, especially the more desirable ones such as the RMR-30 / CMR-30, Keltec would be wise to take note and change their existing marketing model to properly fulfill the needs of end-users, otherwise they risk eventually becoming “the boy who cried wolf”, so to speak. I have noticed that the patience of even some long-term Keltec aficionados has started to really wear thinly, to put it mildly.

  • J S

    Oleg,
    any rough estimate of price yet?

    • Slvrwrx

      MSRP is $630. If Keltec is going to ship a TON of these they should be able to get them under that, maybe..

      • Fusil

        If they get produced at all? What are you will to bet, that these weapons will “out-sourced” to other countries, like China…

        • Slvrwrx

          Member of KTOG who works for Keltec in the CNC shop area has stated that machines were purchased to make the CMR receivers, and they are expanding to now have a proper R&D dept. I know that KT has definitely been putting out more guns every year than prior, so who’s to say. I’m not too fond of their “Hey look at this new gun, it will ship XXXX, but in reality it will ship BBBB”, but I guess we’ll have to wait and see

  • Dragonheart

    From the posts it should be apparent to you that most of your readers know the truth. Keltec has some great ideas for some guns that they can’t produce to even begin to fill the demand and their MSRP is a fairy tail for gun buyers. Instead of introducing more products why doesn’t Keltec put their energy into actually providing the market their products at a fair price instead of producing fodder for the greedy brokers that inflate the price 400%? Next time give us a story about the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause as it will have more merit.

  • parabellum

    I can’t wait to get mine– probably around 2021.