H&K Discontinues USC Sales

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As of this morning the H&K USC has been removed from the dealer price sheet, a followup confirmed with H&K that it is discontinued. As of this post date, it is still listed on the website. H&K has not confirmed yet if the weapon was discontinued in Germany, or is just no longer imported by H&K USA.

Introduced in 1994 as a “sporting” weapon in an unassuming gray color, it was later replaced with an all black version in 2007. The sub-carbines are sought after by enthusiasts looking to convert them into UMP replicas, complete with short barrel. There are several businesses that are centered on making and selling conversion parts as well as gunsmithing services of these firearms.

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Ethan M

Ethan’s firearm interests are mostly with Cold War era select-fire weapons and their semi-auto counterparts.


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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9312620 Ralph Carl Patrick Gatrone

    Understandable.

    I had one. It was great except for the part where I had to drop another near $2k to make it like a UMP. Which is what I really wanted in the first place. $3k is one expensive stock rifle, if you think about it.

    • sadlerbw

      Yep, that’s why I sold mine. It was a fun little gun, but it didn’t take me long to realize that what I wanted was actually a UMP with a long barrel so I didn’t have to mess with the SBR paperwork. The amount of money it was going to take just to get the folding stock and UMP magazines was huge, and that leaves out the most expensive part: changing the barrel. I wanted to love it, and I did enjoy shooting it, but it was just too much money for too little gun in the end.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Epstein/667480221 Paul Epstein

        Outside of the desire for the specific UMP version, how was the gun? Reliability, accuracy, ammunition compatibility?

        • kabob

          100% spot-on all around. I’ve never had a misfeed, jam or anything else go wrong with mine and I’ve tried a variety of FMJ ammo. I’ve never shot hollow points through it though because it’s not an HD weapon. I have an AR, shotgun and various handguns for that. BTW, where are y’all getting your prices? I paid $2200 for the USC plus basic UMP conversion including the milling work for the vents and the mag well.

        • sadlerbw

          Reliability was great. Of course, I was only using factory ammunition at the time so maybe reloads could choke it. It’s a pretty damn simple device: The operating system is basically a recoil spring and a large, square block of steel with an extractor on it, so there wasn’t a lot to go wrong. I never mounted optics, so all I can say is that the peep sight was the limiting factor for me, not the gun its self. I will admit that my favorite part of the whole gun was slapping the charging handle to close the action. That never gets old :-)

          • sianmink

            If it’s the same sight that’s on the G36C (And I’m pretty sure it is) Then it’s horrible and just begging to be replaced with *anything else*

  • Mouldy Squid

    dang. Well, then, I hope that there will be some cheap used ones on the market. Always wanted one, but the $2500CAD price tag was a bit too much.

  • AZRon

    My only question is how long it will be before an “expert” pulls the VERY tired “because you suck and we hate you” meme out of their backside.

    • Komrad

      Right now:

      We’re discontinuing the USC because you suck and we hate you.
      /sarcasm

      There are plenty of reasons to dislike H&K (and many reasons they’re good), but I dislike that phrase.
      It is just an ad homonim.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Agreed and I’m as tired of that as you are. Yes H&K makes a quality product but if you want to blame someone for the prices blame our government for the monetary exchange rate.

      • Jay Dun

        Glock price point is much lower than HK. Even Sig has come down a bit over the pass years. CZ pistols is still affordable. Beretta is a little higher than Glock but not much. EA/Tanfogliois probably one of the best value imported from Europe.

        So you can’t blame the monetary exchange rate. The US dollar/Euro exchange rate for the the past few years been normal or in favor of the dollar.

        BTW if you’re European and in using the Euro. I suggest you get your money out of the banks. Convert most of it to other currency because the Euro won’t survive much longer.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          The exchange rates that cause this happened a number of years ago and continue to have an effect. Will this continue we’ll just have to see where the Euro goes with all the turmoil in Europe.

      • Tierlieb

        Actually, H&K guns are expensive in their home country, too. You get a new Glock for 550-600 Euros, the H&K pistols go from 900 to 1000. It does not appear to be that much because the basic price is so freaking high, though.

    • n0truscotsman

      those people should be publicly flogged with their foot soles caned.

      the MORON who wrote that original article had no clue what he was talking about. Another idiot with some portajohn wall blog.

      • Jay Dun

        Larry Correia wrote it. He is a firearm shooter/competitor/owner/collector for most of his life. IIRC he was part owner of a gun shop. He sold his share back to his partner so he could devote his entire time writing his novels.

        I own and read most of his novels. They are pretty good. So yes he knows what he was talking about when it comes to guns.

        http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/

        • n0truscotsman

          hmmmmm.

          “another idiot novelist…”

          there fixed that for myself.

  • Komrad

    I bet they had poor sales.

    There isn’t too big of a market for pistol caliber carbines (whether there should be is another matter). This one can’t accept handgun mags like Beretta’s or Kel-Tec’s. It isn’t dirt cheap like MAC clones and Hi-Points, and it doesn’t have compatibility or the manual of arms of your favorite rifle.

    Still, sucks for those who were saving up to do a conversion or the like.

    • Scaar

      And it doesnt even take double stack magazines out of the box. So without aftermarket parts, its an over-expensive 10 round .45 Carbine.

  • Esh325

    I’ve only held one and it was a neat rifle. Too expensive though, and very rare, which is why it didn’t succeed.

  • Tim Underbakke

    They could have made this succeed, but let it die out in the end. Too bad, I would have wanted one.

  • Nadnerbus

    If they had imported this stockless and with a short barrel as a pistol, similar to AK and AR pistols, would people have picked it up? It sounds like SBRing it and making it into a true semi auto UMP was most people’s goals, that would have been the cheapest way to do it.

    H&K, you paying attention?

    • JumpIf NotZero

      They are, they just don’t give a shit.

    • JoePublic

      Do Germans understand how to not make things so complicated? I think not….I know I’m part Cherman!!!!!

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        What’s a Cherman:-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Page/530061988 Brian Page

    You know, they wouldn’t have this problem if they’d just stop dancing around the lines of politically correct bullshit and just offer the products that people REALLY want at (somewhat) affordable prices. Because, really, who the hell wants to pay $1500-2000 for a carbine that is KINDA like a UMP45, with only 10 round overpriced-as-fuck magazines available?

    • Tuulos

      It is actually political bullshit in Germany which causes the them to make these civilian versions of their firearms and the big price tag.

      • KestrelBike

        This is the excuse people (that is HK USA, HK Deutschland wouldn’t deign to publicly comment to US civilians, at least that I’ve seen) use to explain why HK went seemingly out of their way to “sporterize” every single thing about their weapons when plenty of other countries (Sig Sauer, for example) manage to remain in the bounds of the law and give the US civ market what it wants. I’m not buying it (and therefore don’t buy HK either!)

        • kabob

          Jeebus, the misinformed masses…

          Sig Sauer, et al, get around import restrictions by NOT IMPORTING ANYTHING. Their handguns and rifles are made/finished here in the good ol’ USA and not subject to dumb things like thumb hole stocks, 10-rd single stack cap on mags, etc, that *every* imported shoulder-fired weapon is subject to.

          • KestrelBike

            And HK is really hurting for funds/ability to do the same? Companies that give a **** get it done, look what Michael Kassnar did for the Tavor, against all odds. He made HK look like a bunch of stingy german gentlemens club a-holes (oops, they are).

            [and for the record, my first handgun when I turned 21 was an HK USP .45 which I still have, it’s my nightstand HD]

          • William

            People are just H&K fan boys, there is no reason to buy a MR556 when LWRC had been making the same US made rifle for years, not to mention the price point and it lacking a chrome lined barrel, there is no reason why H&K can not open a plant in the US to assemble firearms, they just don’t, and that is fine, I will spend my money on the companies that do, like FNH, SIG and the millions of American ones.

          • Hard_Harry

            So I’m guessing you’re gonna go ahead and pony up the several million dollars it would cost to do that right?? I’m guessing not….

          • Hard_Harry

            This is exactly right! If some of these key board commandos would take 20mins to just scratch the surface of not only U.S. Import laws but German export laws they would probably still talk sh*t. ohh well

        • Tuulos

          If you actually read the German gun laws you find out that they were written by someone with an agenda. And that they are completely retarded.

  • Brandon

    HK doesn’t seem interested in succeeding in the civilian sales marketplace.

    • John

      I was about to post that too =P
      It almost seems as though selling to civilians is a project they just picked up on the side and haven’t invested to much time or effort into.

  • n0truscotsman

    HK had a opportunity to jump on the pistol caliber carbine bandwagon and failed. its really unfortunate.

  • Richard

    It was good gun but was very pricey gun that most people could aford to buy. It just was cool mp5. With othere where bring out clones mp5 that where cheaper than the USC doom sales. When you can buy UZI clone dirt cheap compare tu USC still look cooler out box with out doing any thing to gone sell more. Other nail in USC coffen happen when Sig Saure developed MPX weapons family which again under cut cost H&K USC offer quality freindly customer service which Sig Saure know for which H&K is not.

  • Frosty_The_White_Man

    It’s an overpriced hunk of plastic, but then again I’m an AUG fan and can’t complain.

  • Alex C.

    Shame. The USC is a phenomenal rifle even in box stock form. That being said it was expensive and had the USC to UMP conversion not been doable I would have never bought one. Also, is it just me or does the original grey one look like an old IBM computer keyboard, lol.

  • hotelcharliebravo

    I was never really sure why H&K was selling sub-carbines on USC campus in the first place… Always seemed strange…

  • NINJA10R KLR650

    Meh……

  • http://profiles.google.com/chrontius Chrome Dragon

    Quite a shame – the USC, for all its obvious sign of HK’s disdain for their customers, is hands down my favorite carbine. Drives tacks, no recoil.

  • pepe romo

    That’s okay, just print one.

    • Dan

      lol

  • Rob

    Well, at least I will have mine! Just paid it off, should be here within a week or two.

  • kiwinut

    maybe if the were not so overpriced it would have sold better for 2000-3000 i could by a perfectly good SVD instead of a piece of overpriced plastic

  • SNNN

    The USC , while many HK fanboys will disagree, has always been the poster
    child to me on all that is wrong with the way H&K treats US civilian sales. Folks
    mock Century Arms but here was a clear model as to H&K could have acted.

    No reason why the gun could have imported like a WASR, had its magwell
    and stock changed and sold. I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT ONE. It is very tedious
    to hear the excuses when Century and Sig are filling gun racks. How many

    PTR’s have been sold this year alone ? By the way….actually bought H&K
    guns regularly back in the day…my like new H&K 91 will never be sold…