Colt M4 Carbine LESOCOM

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It took almost two decades, but Colt Defense is finally offering a consumer-legal M4 Carbine. The Colt LESOCOM is very close to the M4A1 that Colt manufactures for the military. The main difference is the longer 16″ barrel and the semi-automatic-only fire control. The lower receiver is marked “M4 Carbine”.

It a KAC Rail System, Matech rear back-up iron sight and ambidextrous fire controls. The barrel twist rate is 1:7 RH and it chambered for .223 Remington (ie. 5.56×45 NATO or .223 Remington).

I am overjoyed to see Colt finally giving the general public what they have been clamoring for years. I like the new Colt!




Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • Tyson Chandler

    I thought that Chambered in 5.56 let you shoot both that and .223, not the other way around?

    • Jeffrey H

      I believe you are right and if you look closely at the picture you will see it say 5.56 on the Lower.

      • cy

        the caliber stamped on the lower means nothing. If the upper is chambered for 5.56 , then .223 can be fired in that weapon.If the upper is chambered for .223 and you fire 5.56 in it you risk damage or injury. The upper receiver is what matters here. Many other rifle calibers can be fed through the lower receiver but the actual chambering is in the upper. Stamping the lower receiver 5.56 or any other caliber( other than 7.62, but that is a different rifle) is IMHO stupid and possibly setting yourself ,as a manufacturer, up for lawsuit. If Joe Doofus ends up with a used M-4, lower stamped 5.56 and upper chambered for 223 and he kabooms some 5.56… well you can see my point.

  • David

    Color me confused.. Aren’t all Colt’s semi-auto ARs already “consumer legal?”

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      true. But they are not M4’s ;)

    • W

      what would the advantage be of marketing this rifle? is it measurably better than colt’s LE line??? I thought those rifles were already “mil spec”. To me, it seems like it is marketed towards mil spec geeks (not judging anyone) that want a authentic M4.

      • Nadnerbus

        Just judging from my friend who got out of the Army a couple years ago, there is probably a market just in soldiers that want a keepsake that is as close to their issued weapon as possible. He put his together with CMMG as the main ingredient, but I could see him having gone this way if it was available.

      • W

        I dont have a problem with it, im just curious to know what colt’s perspective is…

    • charles222

      FWIW, W, and not to be disrespectful, but “mil-spec” is virtually meaningless unless the item in question has actually been tested & adopted by the military. “mil-spec” the way Colt (and buttloads of other companies, so I’m not singling out Colt here) uses it is pretty questionable in that it meets a lab specification. Or at least the owner claims it does; there’s really no effective way to tell. That being said, the M4 LESOCOM doesn’t meet the proper Mil-spec definition either; the barrel is longer and the trigger group isn’t the same as in the issue weapon. This variant hasn’t been adopted or tested by any branch of the military and therefore is not “mil-spec”.

      • W

        Charles, i didnt take that as disrespect, and i appreciate your post.

        I was just curious how this is measurably “better” than previous line of LE AR15s if at all…

        “This variant hasn’t been adopted or tested by any branch of the military and therefore is not “mil-spec”.”

        that makes perfect sense. I agree that there is a lot of “mil-spec” marketing out there, though I have yet to see evidence and documentation comparing brands.

        If anybody has any such documentation, I would appreciate it if you would provide it.

  • 032125

    Fat and slow from years of bloated government contracts, Colt comes lumbering into a very different market. Colt just isn’t the cool kid anymore, and I don’t see anything particularly innovative here. I guess if you are nostalgic for two letters, this is worth whatever Colt is charging, but money says that the same amount will buy more from smaller and more agile manufacturers.

    • Michael R. Zupcak

      “4” isn’t a letter ;) Otherwise I wholeheartedly agree with you

    • W

      absolutely correct. Smith & Wesson too experienced a wakeup call on the prolific law enforcement pistol market when polymer semi-automatics hit the market, leading them to directly copy the Glock in order to keep in the same ballpark. I guess companies with a monopoly on markets get complacement and lack innovation.

      If Colt brings something new and innovative to the market, all power to them. If not, they will end up in the dustbin of history.

      While this could indeed be a nice rifle, perhaps colts monlithic rifle is a more suitable competitor.

    • greasyjohn

      Same story everywhere. The big three go for contracts first and domestic sales second. And a lot of their domestic sales are hocking wares “trusted by military and law enforcement,” so it’s something of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    • chucky888

      I think most people here like me don’t hate Colt even if we are not impressed with it anymore. 20 years ago I really wanted a AR15 made by Colt. But now we have KAC, BCM, Noveske, LWRC, FN and HK (HK416), high quality Military small arms makers who have civilian version model available. We didn’t have to wait 20 years to buy a civilian version SCAR or HK416 (MR556). I recently went to my locate gun store, the Colt AR-15’s finish (anodize) on the receivers are horrible, the gray finish on the barrel is like cheap paint, the front sight gas block is very rough and the price is preimium.

  • Dave C

    Just because it says 5.56 on the lower does not mean that the barrel is in 5.56. There are no requirements for a lower to be marked with a caliber, so most companies just put on any marking as a generic mark.

    I personally don’t see how this is different than what a person can already own. M4 refers to the select fire trigger group and such. A semi-auto carbine gas system in a 16″ barrel has been around for a long time. The Matech and KAC Rail can easily be added to any AR15. Color me unimpressed.

    • Mike

      Mine has 5.56 on the barrel also.

  • Chase

    Took ‘em long enough, the wankers. I guess they’ll get lots of sales to people who think a Colt logo makes a gun extra deadly.

    • Nater

      No one thinks that, at least no one that I know. What is known, however, is Colt has built a hell of a lot more ARs than anyone else ever has. That includes FN, who are probably in second place even though they don’t offer an M16 on the civilian market.

      That said, Colt really does need to get with the times. I want Colt mid-lengths and I’d really like to see them building a 20″ rifle without that ridiculous heavy barrel. People are starting to remember how well the 20″ guns shoot, myself included, but I don’t want some target barrel adding weight to the front of an already long rifle.

      • Chase

        Well, there is that, and I’d forgotten about it. Being the original contractor, Colt does build a TON of ARs.

      • delarrn

        “what is known, however, is Colt has built a hell of a lot more ARs than anyone else ever has.”

        I think Izhmash might disagree with you there…

      • mosinman

        hahaha…. i think izmash would disagree with YOU on that.

      • Riceball

        I don’t know, I suspect that the anti-gunner law makers in CA do

    • Tahoe

      Izmash builds ARs? That’s new.

      Overall, I agree–it’s a niche market of folks who want as close to “the real deal” as they can get easily. Other folks know there are better sources for the same thing.

      • KLP

        The fellow probably thinks “AR” means “assault rifle.”

  • gir6543

    how is this 16″ barrel longer than other 16″ barrels? anyone seeing the logic gap there? is it a muzzlebreak issue or what?

    • Tinkerer

      I believe they’re comparing this “M4″‘s barrel lenght -16″- to that of an actual M4 carbine -14.5″-

    • MattW

      The military M4A1 has a 14.5″Braided barrel, that is the difference with this “civilian legal” version.

      • MattW

        Umm minus the “braided”, stupid auto correct

  • Tinkerer

    The AR-15 design has become for all intents and purposes an open source design. Anybody with a CNC lathe and their cousin can make one of those. So, this is just another generic AR-15, using aftermarket parts. The only detail is the engraved Colt logo and M-4 marking. Besides that, nothing new there.

    Oh, one could argue “it’s a Colt, so it has to be better”. If so, I’d llike to see proof of that -accuracy tests, reliability tests, durability tests, etc.

    • W

      “Oh, one could argue “it’s a Colt, so it has to be better”. If so, I’d llike to see proof of that -accuracy tests, reliability tests, durability tests, etc.”

      HA! I would laugh my f–king ass of if i heard somebody try to tell me how much better colt is than other comparative brands. I would laugh harder if they pulled that card while i am clutching my LMT or Noveske.

      • Jason

        LOL. Contact Grant at G&R Tactical. He would LOVE to tell you all about it! Meanwhile, I too will be clutching my LMT and LaRue rifles.

    • Nater

      Uh, this again. Anyone can build an AR, that’s probably true. That said, can someone’s cousin get large quantities of C158 steel to make proper bolts? Probably not as it’s considered a strategic material. Bolts made from 9310 simply aren’t as strong and anything less (like the 8000-series steel that lower-end manufacturers like DPMS use) simply isn’t suitable for any sort of hard use gun. Are they using ordnance grade 4150 for the barrels (or 41v45, also acceptable)? What sort of extractor insert? Are they hand machining (re Dremeling) M4 feed ramps into M16 upper receivers (RRA pulls this shit)? Do they take their guns apart and mix and match components with others to ensure compatibility? Proper staking on the gas key and receiver extension castle nut? The only thing I’ll let slide on one of my ARs is the HPT bolt test. I’m not 100% convinced it’s needed anymore. MPI? Definitely. HPT on the barrel? Yes. I’m just not so sure on the bolt. With the quality of steel that Carpenter makes, I don’t think HPT is completely necessary and I’m sure it shortens the life of the bolt.

      Those things that should be done, Colt does. Those things that shouldn’t be done, Colt doesn’t do. There are only a few other manufacturers out there that I’d trust as much as Colt. They’re very good companies, but they certainly haven’t made rifles in the numbers that Colt has.

      This is the short and simple version of it:

      Colt, Daniel Defense, BCM, Noveske, and Knight’s Armament are good to go. You could probably add LMT to that list as well, but I have zero experience with their guns.

      Rock River Arms, Stag, Bushmaster, DPMS Panther Arms, ect are hobby guns. By hobby I mean you’ll most likely be spending a lot of free time trying to get them to work right if you try to run them hard.

      • erwos

        I have two problems with your rant:
        1. MPI is worthless, and catches almost no flaws. The failure rate is something like 1 bolt a year, or something on that order. Seriously, do the research on this.
        2. You make a lot of claims about materials, but don’t back them up with any kind of actual science about why certain materials are necessary. Your logic even goes circular in one spot (Colt does what needs to be done, and you know what needs to be done because Colt does it).

        Remember, there’s a big difference in stresses when you throw sustained FA into the mix. Civilian guns don’t need to deal with that, and thus the materials may not need to be the same.

        And before you accuse me of being a hater, I’ve got a Colt Defense LE6933 kit that’s just waiting for the stamp… they make a fine product, but so do plenty of others.

      • Steve

        I think you are a little out of touch about how many AR manufacturers there are these days…you can add a half dozen other premium makes to your “short list” (and probably a hundred crappy ones to your hobby gun list).

        Also…”hobby gun” used as a derogatory term? Really?

        How many people do you think reading this website use guns like LMT or Noveske (ie, not an issue Colt) in a professional context? Excluding people who run high speed tactical operator training classes for civilian geeks like me.

        I’m going to guess like two or three.

        I feel like the only definition of “good to go” rifles these days is if people talk about them on lightfighter or one of a very small number of people on m4carbine.net happen to say that they like them…engineering analysis and quality control surveys aside.

        Get a grip folks…I have worked for a very successful, well-reviewed and popular US firearms manufacturer as an engineer and I can say with certainty that no company with a large-scale manufacturing and assembly process can produce 100.0000% perfect products.

        First of all, if you don’t want to pay $5000 for an AR then there will always be compromises, “mil-spec” or not. Second, there will always be “bad” parts and guns produced by any firearms factory, because the factory is operated by human beings (for now…). The trick is catching them before they ship…some companies do this much better than others.

        Colt (or LMT, or Noveske, etc) do not have some magic factories where every machinist is a master fabricator, every assembler is a master gunsmith, and every inspector and tester is ex-SOCOM. The mass-produced guns you buy are largely designed by dorky engineers like me, re-designed to be cheaper to make by older dorky engineers, milled on machines by people who just push the buttons and try to meet their shift quota, assembled by grumpy tired people who probably can’t afford the guns they build and are trying to get a job at a hardware store instead, and inspected by guys who are in their early 20s and just thought it would be cool to work somewhere where you get to shoot guns into a box all day (while they save up to buy a bigger tv to play call of duty on).

        In short…it’s just unremarkable another decent AR. Throw it on the pile with the fifty other models already available. I already have a decent AR from one of these “good to go” makes. I would have considered a Colt if they had hit the market with this kind of stuff half a decade ago, but it’s a little late for the release of this gun to be particularly significant.

      • W

        “How many people do you think reading this website use guns like LMT or Noveske (ie, not an issue Colt) in a professional context? Excluding people who run high speed tactical operator training classes for civilian geeks like me.”

        Probably very few. The reason for this is that Noveske or LMT or Larue (or any other premium manufacturer) arent widely adopted by law enforcement or military elements. Britain wisely selected a LMT AR10 as a DMR. Good call.

        The reason why I own a Noveske, LMT, and Larue is because they are premium made AR15s, and I have the budget to invest in premium equipment. My logic? I cannot give you a straight answer. Perhaps I like being “well prepared” LOL.

        Perhaps I like the double chrome lined M249 spec barrel on my Noveske and the idea that it will outshoot pretty much any competitor with combined attributes of accuracy and resiliency to prolonged fire. If Colt made a AR with a M249 spec barrel, I would be pouncing on that like a ant on sugar.

        “I feel like the only definition of “good to go” rifles these days is if people talk about them on lightfighter or one of a very small number of people on m4carbine.net happen to say that they like them…engineering analysis and quality control surveys aside.”

        Engineering analysis and quality control are among the main reasons why people like these premium AR15s. Of course, there is brand name preference (I have that for Noveske), though there is a huge difference between these rifles and “hobby guns” sort of speak.

        Not that “hobby guns” are a bad thing. Most have similar reliability, though are constructed of different steels and aluminums that are less than mil spec. for the average police officer or civilian shooter, this is a non issue. Bushmaster and Rock River make adequate AR15s.

    • hojo

      CNC lathe? Nope.

      I mean technically, yes, if you had a high end CNC lathe with live tooling and an indexing spindle. Doing it on a lathe would involve turning a massive piece of round bar into mostly chips, or designing a complicated fixture for putting a square peg in a round hole. A 4 or 5 axis mill would be better, although a 3-axis is certainly do-able if you don’t mind messing around with a bunch of fixturing.

      A lathe would be good for profiling the barrel though.

      Having actually played with the .igs file that’s floating around out there for the AR lower receiver, I can tell you anybody and their cousin better have some solid CAM skills if they plan on producing a tool path, not to mention software that runs in the 5-figure range.

      People who’ve never done anything with CNC think it’s some kind of magic bullet, and anyone with a machine can just crank out whatever they want. I can tell you from experience, there’s a lot that goes into it, and a huge amount of talent required even to produce an existing design.

      I’m a CNC novice at best, and my journey so far has given me a tremendous amount of appreciation for the professionals who do it well.

      Read more here: http://www.cncguns.com/tooling.html

      and here: http://blog.cnccookbook.com/category/blog/

  • gir6543

    i think this would sell well if they made it super patriotic and claimed its being released in honor of the men who served using this firearm. if they spun it right and donated a substantial portion of the price to the wounded warriors foundation or a similar organization this would sell very well.

    As it stands now its a mass manufactured, very basic, (most likely) overpriced ar15.

  • Chris b

    Isnt this just pure marketing bullshite? Take a gun and stamp it M4 . Its like stamping a flat bottom swamp boat an aircraft carrier. If i stamp M4 on a muzzle loader – is it an M4 ?

    • Sid

      Chris,

      Are you using the flat bottom swamp boat as a platform for helicopter operations or do you really see fixed wing aircraft launching from it?

      Seriously though, I agree. You see it is stamped “Colt M-4″ so that makes it an M-4.

  • http://www.greyops.net Connor

    LeSOCOM. SOCOM, but French!

  • http://mjm.luckygunner.com MJM

    At last, I can drop the “4-gery” suffix. If I buy one.

  • AKMSF

    Looks like they’re late to the party…accessories for the AR system have evolved a lot since the M4 SOPMOD, now with all the Magpul stocks, mid-length gas systems and slick rails that allow you to put rail only where you need it, this just doesn’t look high-speed anymore.

    • Nadnerbus

      No kidding. They might as well re-release Garbage Pale Kids while we are hitting these things at the peak of their popularity.

      four or five years ago would have been a much more opportune time for this product. Still, props to Colt for finally listening.

  • hikerguy

    If they offer it in 6.5 Grendal, .300 Blackout, and 6.8 SPC, it would help with sales.

  • KC

    they should just take 14.5″ M4 uppers and permanently affix a flashhider on them instead of making it a 16″ barrel

  • spencer

    If they were smart They would offer this with a 14.7″ barrel and a pinned flash hider to make this and a true m4 even closer. Of course that would mean colt would have to start making 14.7″ barrels. Maybe it would be cheaper to do something like BCM’s A2X flash hider instead.

    If they had a pinned 14.7″ I might consider it.

    • Other Steve

      You know, for 1.3″…. I’d rather be able to clean the muzzle and be able to put whatever flash hider or brake I wanted.

      • Cymond

        I agree, but since Colt is marketing this to people seeking an authentic M-4, then it should be as authentic as possible. 14.7″ (or 14.5″ and extended flash hider) would be closer to to mil-spec.

  • Samopal

    I’d much rather have an FN-made M16. :D

    Pretty please, FN?

    • mosinman

      ummm whats the differance?

  • Witt Sullivan

    Colt wants to lock in the trademark for the term “M-4″ like they did with the term “AR-15″. If you make a rifle and sell it as an “AR-15″ Colt’s lawyers will sue you for trademark infringement, that’s why none of the large makers of AR-15 style rifles officially call their rifles “AR-15’s”.
    As part of their contract with the US military, the military owned the design of the AR-15/M-16 for so many years but Colt had the contract to produce it. When their contract ran out, the US military was able to give the design specs and blueprints to all the parties interested in taking over the contract. FN gave them a better deal and got the contract. After that, everyone able to legally produce M-16’s and AR-15’s, they just couldn’t call them AR-15’s by name.
    Colt’s contract for the M-4 is about to run out, there are some features unique to Colt’s design that legally make it a different rifle, they’ve been working hard to keep the contract exclusivity, getting extensions by tweaking the design. Their exclusivity is about to expire, if it hasn’t already. They’re trying to get something out of it, if nothing but to try to get other companies to pay royalties for using the term “M-4″ in the commercial market.

    • Witt Sullivan

      I just noticed in the “related links” list, Colt lost the exclusive rights to the M-4 design in July, 2009, so they’ve been doing something to keep the contract. I now remember they lowered the pricing to keep the contract the last time it came up, but the GAO called “shenanigans” wanting to know why they didn’t offer the lower price years ago.

    • JT

      I had thought Armalite had the claim to the name AR-15 being originally from the Armalite 15 that led to the AR-15 moniker

      • Samopal

        Armalite sold the rights to the name to Colt years ago. It still means “Armalite Rifle, Model 15″ but ironically Armalite can’t use it.

  • Nater

    It looks like a 6920 with a rear BUIS instead of the carry handle and a KAC carbine RAS. Oh, wait, it is. I’d rather just do the paperwork, pay the $200 tax, and get an LE6921. That, aside from the fire control group, is a civilian M4.

    Then you could ad a DD RIS II, LMT SOPMOD, ect. to bring it up to the SOPMOD Block II spec. That or do something entirely different. It’s your gun.

    Colt makes fantastic ARs, but they really need to get one the mid-length bandwagon. I’ve shot both 14.5 and 16″ mid-length guns and they just plain shoot better than carbine length systems. I’d even bet on less parts breakage in them. The only problem with the 14.5″ middy is that you really ought to be shooting full on 5.56 out of it for reliable performance. I’ve seen them barf, very occasionally, on the soft stuff.

  • Lance

    I agree with Bushmaster, Olympic, and S&W all make good M-4 style carbine and they are just as good as a Colt. I have shot A2s made by Olympic Arms and in shooting Ive out shot Colts with it. BIG question dose it have the M-4A1 heavy barrel SOCOM M-4A1s have? That would be the only game changer for Colt in the Civilian and Law Enforcement market filled with M-4s. If I want a new AR version of the M-4 I want the R&D version the Army is working on with the M-4A1 heavy barrel free floating tube and rails new style bolt and carrier on it like the Army R&D is working on that be a new chapter in AR guns.

    • Other Steve

      Bushmaster and Olympic is up there with Colt huh? Fuck me this is ridiculous.

      • JMD

        …don’t feed the trolls…

      • Other Steve

        I know, but sometimes I really can’t help myself. I know he’s a troll. Why he hasn’t been perm banned is really beyond me.

        I looked up some of his old posts… He didn’t always used to be a troll. His posted used to be of mild accuracy but at least had proper grammar and spelling.

        I HONESTLY think he got into a pretty bad car accident or something and became this way.

      • W

        steve, LMFAO!

      • W

        ill add that the reason im laughing is that he mentioned three notoriously out of spec (non mil spec) rifles and then saying they are comparable to a mil spec M4 from Colt.

        Stop being cheap, ditch the second rate AR15s, and buy a good one.

      • mosinman

        gotta love AR snobs…….. maybe some people cant afford to be rocking the latest and greatest ARs. sure bushmaster and olyimpic might not be up there with colt but they arnt garbage either. i for one notice that bushmasters tend to be pretty well built.

      • W

        “maybe some people cant afford to be rocking the latest and greatest ARs”

        Here’s my take on this. Im not directing anything against Mosin (I always like your comments), Im just making a point with the affordability comment that i often see with gun owners.

        If you make it a point to budget for a gun, then thats great, more power to you. But if you want the latest and greatest and incessently jab companies that produce premium-grade equipment for their prices, then you need to find another job, a better paying job, or a less expensive hobby. Some gun people are notorious for wanting something for nothing.

    • mosinman

      W, i have no problem with colt or any other high-end company. in order to get good stuff you gotta spend some dough. what i was trying to say is that although a bushy or OA AR-15 wont be as good as a colt or DD AR, they are acually pretty good for what you pay. (sometimes i dont make my point clear lol)

    • Michael

      They’ll shoot and prob accurately but neither of them is anything but a plinker

  • Sven Weichbrodt

    It depresses me to the point of tears that mature, responsible shooters in Australia do not have access to these sort of weapons.

    I am aware there are those who will pose the question “Why do you need such a firearm? What sort of purpose does it fulfill?”

    However, as a mature, responsible sports shooter I should not have to field such questions.

    I admire these sorts of firearms from a purely technical and engineering perspective. Yet rather than developing inclusive, robust firearm legislation that allows individuals such as me access to such firearms our esteemed government has instead taken the easy way out by once again adhered to the mantra:

    “It is easier to prohibit than legislate”

    • damien

      I also admire the technical and engineering achievements that these guns represent. In addition, I also admire the technical and engineering achievements in all kinds of military hardware.

      I like guns. I like to study them, and I like to shoot them.

      More than that, I really like the fact that my neighbours don’t have guns unless they really need them, and I really like it that when they do have guns, they only have the kinds of guns they really need.

      Its great living in a mostly gun-free society.

      Its great not having to worry about some asshole following you and shooting you because you look out of place.

      I do miss the opportunity to shoot of a few rounds, and when I am in the US, I make sure to visit a firing range and rent a variety of guns.

      Having lived in both the US and Australia, its my opinion that its great to live in a disarmed society, and not so great to live in an armed one.

      • IndyEric

        And it’s great that your desires, inadequacies and whims are forced upon your neighbors, subject.

      • John Doe

        “its my opinion that its great to live in a disarmed society, and not so great to live in an armed one.”

        What the hell are you doing on a gun blog?

      • W

        then i guess, rather masochistically, you will enjoy bending over and spelling R-U-N when a Asiatic warmonger decides to do some real estate expansion in Oceania.

        America’s armed society will ensure real estate expansion in North America by a foreign enemy will be costly and painful.

      • mosinman

        im sooooooo glad he isnt president!

      • damien

        Everyone who gave me a thumbs down, without having living in or visited a disarmed society, raise you hand.

      • Nadnerbus

        I didn’t like or dislike your post. But I’ve been to Canada, which has plenty of guns and thought it wonderful. I’ve been to Mexico, which is very restrictive of gun rights, and you can see how well that works for them on the nightly news. No ban on weapons can stop the will to murder.

      • mosinman

        so damien… you’d prefer that criminals had access to illegal firearms but znot law abiding citizens? the concept behind a disarmed society is understandable, but criminals will always have access to firearms on the black market. that leaves you mostly defenceless and makes you dependant on how quick the police forces respond.

      • W

        “Everyone who gave me a thumbs down, without having living in or visited a disarmed society, raise you hand.”

        Ive lived in a disarmed society. No thank you. I prefer to have the ability to preserve my life, liberty, papers and other effects. Im glad you trust your government, because I have never trusted mine…

      • Cymond

        Sorry if this is too political, but I’m reminded of Dave Kopel’s “A World Without Guns”. If anyone hasn’t read it, I highly recommend it and it’s faily short.

        The first section talks about the failures of legislating firearms away, the second second discusses alternative sources of black market firearms, and the third section reminds the reader of the deadly efficiency of testosterone-muscle-powered weapons. However, it is the fourth section, “Imagine No Claws” that resonates with me the most.

        “To imagine a world with no guns is to imagine a world in which the strong rule the weak, in which women are dominated by men, and in which minorities are easily abused or mass-murdered by majorities. Practically speaking, a firearm is the only weapon that allows a weaker person to defend himself from a larger, stronger group of attackers, and to do so at a distance. As George Orwell observed, a weapon like a rifle “gives claws to the weak.””

        In short, no society is completely disarmed and a truly disarmed society would be no less brutish. I’ll keep my claws, thank you.

        http://old.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel120501.shtml

    • John Doe

      Some of my friends like to point out all the idiots that shoot themselves or others.

      That’s really the exception, not the rule. If I can responsibly use a gun, there’s no reason why I shouldn’t have one.

      Then they say, “When you have kids, I really hope they shoot themselves on accident.”

      Again, not happening if you’re responsible. I’m not going to accidentally shoot my neighbors with a Mac-10 if I’m responsible either.

      Then I wonder why they’re my friends.

    • Nater

      Invading the United States, or even Australia for that matter, simply isn’t feasible. Lines of supply and communication would be far too long and beyond vulnerable. Not to mention, at least in the case of the United States, you’re talking about a nation armed with thousands of nuclear weapons. Not. Going to. Happen. If there is any sort of land warfare in the United States, it’ll be a civil war.

      Unless maybe if they’re invading from space. But, in that case, the fight would be over as soon as it started. It’d be like cavemen vs. III Corps under the best case scenario, probably worse.

      Maybe it could happen with Australia, but you’re talking about a nation that is one of the closest allies of the United States. If Australia was invaded, the United States would be going to war with whomever undertook such an idiotic move. Whomever did it would also have their hands full against the Australian military.

  • ParatrooperJJ

    Does it have standard size takedown pins or the large Colt pins?

    • Other Steve

      I would verify this, but I was under the understanding that Colt had dropped the small pin / large pin system. Absolutely could be wrong however.

    • http://www.tenpoundmonkey.com JasonM

      Colt’s thankfully gone back to standard pins

  • Adam Jensen

    Wow, and they couldn’t even make it a mid-length. Kool-aid drinkers, enjoy your over-gassed action!

    • Other Steve

      Seriously what is wrong with the people on the site sometimes? Do you really think that all carbines have been overgassed. Do you have such a mild understanding of the AR gas system that you really think the only fix is to go to a mid length? So in your opinion the mid length gas system is the greatest innovation to hit the AR since stoner? Or are you the type to just read and believe all the marketing hype anyone pushes on you?

      You’re full of crap and beyond help. The carbine length gas system is perfectly capable of proper dwell time and bolt velocity. It is quite possible and likely to have a worthless mid length gas system that offers no benefits over a proper carbine length. Colt knows exactly what they are doing with the carbine gas system.

      • DeeB

        For my own Peace Of Mind; with a carbine length gas system AR15, i would STILL upgrade to a Wolff 5 coil extra power extractor spring, SOPMOD Crane O-ring, Sprinco Extreme Duty Action Spring and DPMS rate reducing buffer. Also if they’re worn out, replace the Extractor and Gas Rings. Keep it Lubed and use reliable Mags and ur GTG. My old Colt 6920 runs like champ w/ these upgrades.

      • Nater

        This is true, the carbine length system is more than adequate. That doesn’t change the fact that the mid-length system is a subtle improvement, especially with 16″ barrels but also with the 14.5″ barrels (with some reservations).

        The previous poster was also wrong when he said the carbine system was over gassed. The volume of gas is a function of gas port diameter, gas pressure is a function of gas system length. There is, however, anecdotal evidence that mid-length systems are less abusive on parts since, all things being equal, they don’t cycle as fast as a carbine system due to the decreased gas pressure. On the downside, it makes them less reliable with weak, .223 Remington, ammunition, especially with the 14.5″ barrel.

        20″ barrel – rifle gas system
        18″ barrel – rifle gas system
        16″ barrel – mid-length system
        14.5″ barrel – carbine or mid-length system, application specific
        12.5″ barrel – carbine system
        11.5″ barrel – carbine system
        10.3″ barrel – carbine system
        >10″ barrel – gas piston

    • W

      adam, what in the f–k are you talking about? the carbine length system on the M4 performs more than adequately. The army bought large numbers of M4s, as have many national armies. It performs more than adequately and is a very reliable and effective weapon. I would rather have a overgassed rifle (i remain dubious of this claim) that continues to cycle the weapon as it gets dirtier and dirter.

      of course, the reliability margin is reduced when you shorten the gas system. It is common knowledge that a Mk 18 or M4 is less reliable than a M16 (though not terribly so).

      I love mid-length systems. They reduce wear and perceived recoil, though they wouldn’t drastically increase the reliability of a M4, if at all.

    • Jason

      Adam, your comment has been received about as well as my “Skinny handguards are for men with small hands” comment.

      Only difference is my comment was true.

      =D

    • Lance

      There many 16 inch barrel carbine with a carbine gas system. Mid length system is not are old as the carbine system first used on the XM-177E2 in Vietnam.

  • DB Cooper

    Oh boy! A Colt 6920 with KAC rails and new sights! I would be much more impressed if Colt had decided to make the LESOCOM with a 14.5 or 14.7 barrel and a permanant flash hider. That would be extremely close to the real deal. A midlength version of the 6940 would be nice too.

  • Jason

    I wanted this gun a few years ago, so I put together the LMT version with a 14.5″ barrel. I love that thing and would never trade it for a Colt with a 16″ barrel just to have the M4 moniker.
    I agree with an earlier commenter who suggested that this gun would be much more desirable with a 14.5″ pinned option. Better yet, offer it with an M4A1 barrel to make it even more authentic.

  • Andrew

    I am confused? – 6920’s have had M4 roll marks on them for sometime – I have a 6920MPB and that’s what is it says – M4 Carbine

    So unless they have changed the buffer tube etc, there is nothing really new here that they have not been doing for sometime – everything they had at SHOT was marked that way

    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/77746/COLT+SP6920MPB+SPRT+16.1+M4+223+MAGPUL

  • DRod

    How is this any different than my 6920 other than it come with a KAC rail???

    Meh. I’m happy with what I have.

  • Sian

    No Super-Stoc? Come ON, Colt!

  • Andy

    Will these rifles come with the ‘M4A1′-style barrel profile that’s a little thicker under the handguards?

    • Jason

      Highly doubtful.

    • L. McCoy

      Yes, it has the heavy barrel and the H2 buffer and the ambi selector switch. It balances very nicely with no muzzle rise to speak of. It really is a great rifle.

  • Ted

    A weapon chambered in .223 cannot fire 5.56x45mm. A weapon chambered in the NATO caliber can fire cartridges of both mesaurements, but weapons using the American round cannot. This rifle, if it is truly chambered in .223, can ONLY fire .223.

    • everett

      It is chambered in 5.56mm NATO and has always been. This Colt is simple a Colt law enforcement model 6920 AR-15 with a Knight’s Armament drop-in battle rail instead of the standard hand guards.

    • http://Yahoo.com Bill B

      Your comment is not accurate. The rounds will chamber in either caliber, however the 5.56 in a 223 chamber can build potentially dangerous pressures when fired. There is a “Wylde” chamber for 223 owners that can fire both designations without developing dangerous pressures. Happy and SAFE shooting. BB

  • http://www.nylonrifles.com Gary

    Welcome to 1990.

  • Andrew Racek

    Looks neat. I’ve always favored simpler AR builds.

  • http://oneshotsmackdown.com/ Chad

    When is the release of this model?

  • charles222

    W-I don’t really see how this would be better than a 6920.

  • Colt

    There are other differences in the leSOCOM vs 6920, it has the m4a1 heavy barrel and the h2 buffer as standard. Also it is actually stamped M4A1 Carbine. These small changes make it closer to what Colt is shipping to the military except for as preciously noted the 16 inch barrel and semi only.

    • Andrew

      Then it would be nice if any of the images shown acutally show the M4A1 stamp!

      Ok heavy barrel nice, buffer mmm ok but every single image that is supposed to be of the LESOCOMM I have seen has the same M4 rollmark the rest of the LE series has – it would seem that the image here was released by Colt since it has the same specific furniture referenced.

      Nice effort on Colt’s behalf making this available but the job on the PR around it was very badly done by not making it at all clear it really was any different to being yet another variant of the LE6920 – big missed opportunity

      • Colt

        I agree with you, and I didn’t even know this, until I got mine. I just wanted a basic colt ar with kac rails. Oh it has ambi selector also. Here is the strange thing though, it doesn’t have the caliber stamp on it, just logos, m4a1 carbine, and serial number. Also it’s stamped colt defense.

  • http://USMC Alex Brooks

    I hate to hear some of you saying things like Colt got fat on contracts and don’t cater to the civilian market. Colt has been at war for 12 years. They have been supplying your military with weapons to kick some ass for this country. Supplying civilians guns should always take a back seat when our country is at war and the troops need weapons. As it was in WWII. Some of you find it sexy to bash colt. Whether you want to agree or not, Colt is the standard by which all others are judged! There are some that are better and a lot that are not. Some of you should be proud that an American icon is still supplying our troops with weapons. Its sad that we use weapons built by other countries.

    • http://in-defense-of-liberty.com/ DevsAdvocate

      Colt sucks. FN makes a better M4/M16 than they do, and produces for the civilian market.

      • Nater

        Oh really? First off, FN doesn’t make M4s. FN has the TDP for the M16, but not the M4. This may change in the future, but for the time being, only Colt makes the M4 carbine. Second, FN doesn’t sell their M16s or M16 parts on the civilian market. Sometimes you’ll run across them surplus, but I’ve never seen a brand new FN 20″ upper or FN 20″ CHF barrel for sale. Used ones? Yes. New ones? Unfortunately not.

        I’ve been wanting to build an M16A4 clone for awhile now. I can’t decided between a used FN CHF, chrome lined 20″ barrel or a BCM cut rifled, chrome lined barrel. I wish that BCM would just do a run of hammer forged 20″ barrels and make it easy for me.

      • MD

        Actually Nater, FN is producing and selling tons of AR CHF barrels and other components to companies that brand the stuff as their own. Palmetto State Armory is a huge user of FN stuff and it’s all brand new. I have two uppers from them with FN stamps that I bought last year.

      • Able23

        Colt does not suck I carried colts for 20 yrs including combat as an infantryman. Until now fn has not made a ar for the public so you really don’t know what you are talking about. The biggest hunk of crap the army has is the m249 saw and it’s made by fn

  • John

    Meh. Too little, too late. These have a market for vets who want a keepsake, but for the most part this doesn’t bring anything to the market that a consumer can’t slap together for less than Colt will charge. “Welcome to 1990″ indeed.

  • L. McCoy

    I own a Colt LE 6920 SOCOM. So far have 200 rounds through it. I did a 60 round mag dump yesterday from a Surefire 60 round mag. The gun is flawless. It is also extremely accurate. I also own a Larue OBR 5.56, which is a GREAT gun but is heavy. Both are premium weapons. The Colt is less expensive but after the upgrades I did on it with Magpul stock and grip and Troy single point sling attachment (Buy the Magpul MS3 QD sling, it is awesome!), it is about the same price I paid for the Larue. Having owned a Barret REC7, a Bushmaster AR, a DPMS AR, and a Christensen Arms CA-15, I’ll stick with my Colt and Larue.

  • RPK

    I own a Colt LE6920, a Bushmaster M4A2 Patrolman and a Colt LE6290SOCOM. They all have there own great selling and pruchase values. The SOCOM is a “tweaked” version of the LE6920 with a $500.00 price upgrade. They both are awesome “shooters’. But then, the Bushmaster is one helluva shooter in its own right. If you have the mney and want a Colt, no matter which version, then buy it. If you do not like them or can not afford them, do not bash other people for what they liek. It is as simple as that!

  • fogdog

    How do you get the rear sight of a Colt LE6920 SOCOM to flip up, I did not want to force it up. Most of the time if you haft to force something you are doing it wrong..

    • Armyofsmith

      U just have to force it up. U won’t hurt it

  • max

    just force it. it work break. had the same issue.

  • Bob Miller

    I think you meant to say it is chambered for .556. If it was chambered for .223, you really shouldn’t shoot .556 ammo with it. There’s a difference. When the specs list both chamberings, it means it’s chambered for .556, not .223.

    • knotjammin2

      I just bought one and your absolutely right. Markings are 5.56 NATO 1/7. Also marked M4A1 CARBINE with the LE prefix on the serial number. 5.56 NATO should never be used in a .223 chambered weapon. The 5.56 NATO has much higher pressures.