Safir T-14 / ATI AT-14 shotgun photos
I covered the Safir T-14 / ATI AT-14 .410 AR-15 shotgun on the blog earlier this year. Mike, a reader of The Firearm Blog, emailed me photos the AT-14 he just received.
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Two black shotugns. .410 Siaga shotgun (AK clone) left.
Annular piston system. ATI’s markings can be seen on the lower receiver.
If you have any questions I am sure Mike will be happy to answer them in the comments.
A big thanks to Mike for taking the time to strip his rifle shotgun for photos.
Many more photos after the jump.
PLEASE DO NOT HOTLINK THESE PHOTOS. USE AN IMAGE HOSTING.
The bolt
AR-15 magazines fit. Safir markings on lower receiver.
With T-14 magazine inserted.
Next to SKS
More photos of the internals:
Imagine showing up to shoot skeet with that.
How is the overall fit & finish? Have you fired it yet? and lastly, what was the price you ended up paying for it? Thanks.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11460565/Safir-T14
So is the lower half the same as a standard AR?
I have put 1250 rounds through the shotgun, before the pictures were taken. You can just make out some wear marks on the hammer and that is about it. As one would expect it is easy to get on target and amazingly easy to hit clay pidgeons with.
I have talked with the importer and they are expecting the higher capacity mags in by the end of March if not sooner.
I ended up paying $1,000.00 for it shipped which for a specialty AR is about average.
The take down pins were a bit tight. The rest of the gun is very clean with all the parts mating up tightly. You have to remember that while this is new to the US it is not a new model firearm.
6×6pinz, I read on the net that regular AR-15 magazines could be modified to take .410 rounds, have you tried this?
The lower isn’t a standard ar15 from the looks of it.
I actually purchased a regular 20round AR mag at the last gunshow for this purpose. I am able to install shells into the mag, tight fit for length but doable. The original 223 mag holds the shell in the middle and the shotugn retains them at the base. There is no material at the base so I will have to move the feed lips back and modify/remake a follower.
I have been in contact with the importer and he tells me the 14 round magazines should be in country in April and by then they should have extra 5 round magazines as well. They are also making noise about bringing in the 10 rounders. I will have to see what extra 5 rounders cost to see if it is worth the time to make the needed modifications to the 20round 223 mag, which will only hold 5 410 shells. The curvature of the 30 and 40 round 223 mag is just wrong for the 410 shells to feed properly and most likely would cause lots of problems.
Since most of the AR accessories fit already there is a lot of aftermarket stuff available for the Safir. I am in the process of looking for an adjustable choke system that would look good on it. I really like being able to adjust the choke in the field depending on hunting conditions.
I bought one of these a month ago, and returned it to the store within a week.
My first impression was that this light weight AR type rifle/shotgun would make a great hiking gun in black bear country.
I bought it and a few boxes of 2 1/2″ slugs to get it sighted in.
Results:
all but one shell jammed while feeding, the bolt sheared a large chunk out of the bolt catch, and the gas that sprayed back in my face reminded me of my old service rifle in basic training back in 1985 that almost blinded you every shot.
after removing the upper to investigate the problems I found that the lower parts are almost the same quality as my sons cap guns. I doubt they would last for any kind of duty use, as the practice alone would have them turning to mush in a week.
I took the gun back to the shop that I got it from and showed them the condition.
they returned 100% of my purchase price and refunded 100% of the ammo cost including the spent rounds (10 in all). I have been shooting or building AR’s for more than 20 years now and I’m amazed that this particular one shot at all without taking my face off with it.
I pray I got the one lemon you always hear about.
Just got my ATI .410 upper. Shot 2 Winchester 2 1/2″ slugs through it on the 3rd shot the firing pin and push pin for ejector both broke. Trying to reach seller now. I loved the way it shot the first two dead on at 30 yds but I am now worried that this thing isn’t made well. Will see what happens.
Hi all, permit me to say hello if I can.
I am the Safir factory rep for the UK (also France, Italy and the USA) – Hi Kamil if you are reading this.
Perhaps I could use this forum to give you some more news on the Safir T14.
First: Safir T14 Semi Auto Shotguns – Important Information for Firearm Dealers (RFD’s in the UK ) or FFL’s in the USA.
Safir Arms are pleased to announce that with immediate effect, firearms dealers FFL’s can now order and import Safir T14 shotguns directly from the factory and not from a sole importer.
To register as a Safir Dealer / Importer, FFL’s should simply email a copy of their certificate and a letterhead/compliments slip to the Safir RFD / FFL support team on
info@safirdirect.com (STRICTLY Trade Only) who will contact you with appropriate information.
The Safir main website is: http://www.safirarms.com/eng.html
Second: Safir T14 Semi Auto Shotguns – New Product Range.
Safir are also delighted to announce the launch of their new range of A4 Flat Top mil-spec polymer receiver models. This will allow shooters to fit optics of their own choice such as a scope, red dot sight, laser, flip up sights or even a detachable carry handle/sight arrangement directly to the upper receiver.
ALL Safir T14 Shotguns are marked 36/.410 cal. 5 or 10 shot magazines are available as standard. High capacity 13 round magazines will be available any time now. Longer or shorter barrel lengths can be specified if required. Also available are upper receiver conversions that can be fitted to a standard AR rifle.
Third: Safir T14 Semi Auto Shotguns – Information and Support for Clubs and Shooters.
As part of our FFL /customer support strategy, the Safirdirect support team would like your help in compiling a directory of dealers and retailers etc who can supply accessories and ammunition (slug and shot in 36/.410) suitable for the T14. If you are an RFD /FFL or accessory retailer and can help in any way, please drop us a line on t14comp@safirdirect.com, especially if you can ship to the UK.
The support team would also like to hear from any T14 owners, clubs, range owners, landowners who are running competitions using the T14 as we are planning to run these in the UK.
I am planning a trip to the US early next year, starting in Arizona (been there three times, great place) also Oklahoma and Michigan so if you are an FFL or range owner in those areas please email me as soon as possible.
Just for info: I am an NRA (USA) member and also an NRA (USA) Pistol Instructor (amongst other things). Not bad for a Brit I suppose.
Please feel to contact me on: info@safirdirect.com
Head your message FAO Charlie.
Charlie: I bought two T-14 in Guatemala Central America, the problem is that the shell jammed while feeding, I tried many brands of ammo, and the store has no answers to the problem. Thanks.
OSCAR: Thanks for feedback. Is your gun European or US Spec?
The problem is due to ammuntion, as considertion must be given to the length of th shell when ejected as it is now longer than when it went in due to the crimped end now protruding. Not all 2.5″ shells are 2.5″ on close examination Maybe this will help;
The standard shotgun cartridge sizes to be used with Safir T14 shotguns are:
Europe (inc. UK)
36 Calibre x 65mm
USA
.410 Calibre x 65mm
The length of the shotgun shell should be between 57mm – 60.05mm (American model guns 57mm, European model 60.5mm unfired length) and a maximum length of 65mm after firing.
Slug, birdshot or buckshot cartridges all work well with the Safir T14.
For EUROPEAN models of the T14, certain shotgun shell makes and brand/types like those listed below fit well and can be used:
• Remington Express (UK/England)
• Remington Kleinbore (Germany)
• Vieri (French)
• Fiocchi, RC and Luxor (Italy).
For AMERICAN models of the T14 we recommend;
• Estate#8,
• Remington #4 Long Range, #6 long range, #6 Field, and 1/5 oz slug.
NOTE: NO Winchester 2.5” ammunition will fit the T14, neither will Remington #9.
The best shotgun ammunition (produced in Turkey) for Safir shotguns are Calibre 36 “Palla” slug. Birdshot and buckshot are also available.
I have also heard from feedback that Federal ammo works so maybe worth trying a few?
Hopefully this will help,
Charlie
PS Sorry for typos.
Oscar: You can mail me directly t14comp [at] safirdirect [dot] com
I got three rounds through the T-14 flat top before the bolt broke. Sheared right in the middle.
Returned for a replacement, will try one more.
Side note, the markings on the box recommend use of Winchester.
Derik,
can you email me on t14comp@safirdirect.com
Charlie
I purchased the T-14 recently and took the forearm area apart to see if I would be able to clean this area. I was able to take it apart, but when I went to reassemble it I noticed one half of the forearm had two of the hole that were not cut through and I was unsure if this piece went on top or bottom and I assumed it went on the bottom to protect ones hand from blowback by the piston or something during the fire sequence.
I’m a noob and don’t know much about the AR platform or this one, so please forgive me if this question seems obvious. Thanks, John
On the handguard there are holes that are open and some of them are closed – the open ones provide sufficient gas escape. You can break the plastic in the closed holes to let the gas escape better, especially if using picatiny or other mounted stuff like optical sights , lasers or flashlights on the gun. It is better to open them all.
It does not matter which piece of the handguard is up and down, they are similar.
Hope this helps
Charlie (Safir)