Remington Model 700 Target Tactical

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Just when I though tactical bolt actions were going out of fashion and being replaced with autoloaders everyone seems to have launched a new model or line. Savege, Kimber, Ruger and now Remington with their Model 700 Target Tactical.

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Model 700 Target Tactical. Click to expand.

The rifle is available chambered in .308 Win. and features:

* Triangular barrel
* X-Mark Pro Adjustable trigger (adjustable from 3-5 lbs).
* Tactical style bolt handle.
* 26″ barrel utilizing 5-R tactical target rifling as using on the M24 sniper rifles.
* Bell and Carlson Medalist Varmint/Tactical composite stock (notably not H-S Precision)

Action: Bolt/Short
Barrel Length: 26 inches
Overall Length: 45 3/4 inches
Avg. Weight: 11 3/4 lbs
Stock Material: Composite – Aramid Fiber
Stock Finish: OD Green/Black Webbed
Barrel Finish: Matte Blue

The MSRP is $1972.


Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • http://calivc.com/forums/Solarforce-A-great-compact-and-light-weight-light-for-night-tim-t7211.html Heath

    That thing is a brick at nearly 12 pounds! Great looking rifle, though! I really like that stock.

  • http://www.thefirearmblog.com Steve

    It sure is a heavy beast!

  • Pete

    So basically they took the Rem 700 5R, then:
    1. Changed the barrel from a 24″ 5R to a funky, cool looking, but PITA to add muzzle devices to 26″ triangular version profiled like the 700VTR.
    2. Dropped the HS Precision stock in favor of a cooler looking (but probably cheaper) B&C unit.
    3. Gave it their latest nifty looking finish
    4. Took out the highly rated 40X target rifle trigger and put in the new adjustable X-Mark Pro (which is also highly regarded but is larger production and thus probably cheaper for Rem).
    5. Added two pounds somewhere between the stock and the extra two inches of (differently profiled) barrel.

    Then they tacked on an extra grand and decided to actually market the gun

    Ehh, I’ll pass. I will admit that those barrels look cool though.

  • Charles

    I would tend to disagree a bit, with what you said. The hs precision stock on the mil spec 700 is a great stock, but bell and carlson stocks are also very good and the one in this picture is one the higher end bells. I have 700VTR with a bell and carlson tactical series stock and I am very happy. with it. In all I have $1000 in my gun not icluding the scope. Is the one above worh $1972….no but it I dont $1200 to $1500 is not out of line especially if they changed the rifleing to 5-R.

  • Boilershot

    The price of the gun should not keep you from buying it, if it is a great rifle. An active shooter (competition or otherwise) will easy spend more money on ammo and gas over the course of a year or two.

  • Rockin Randall

    To all of the above,.. I am surprised that Remington Arms has not commented on this piece to correct the lack of information on this new offering. I have spent over 2 months researching this very gun ,,,,, yes, 2 months. The guns extra weight comes from two areas: The stock weighs more than your average aftermarket tactical style setup (due to material, aramid fiber & dual adjustable sliding swivel assy.), and the barrel was machined from a larger stock to begin with..aka…Varmint Barrel with much heavier contour (.820), thus a much heavier finished product. I am satisfied with the information I have obtained on a 2009 product. Additionally, I have handled the rifle at my nearby Cabellas, and honestly, I do not feel the true weight of this rifle. It is extremely balanced. It Does not feel front heavy at all, as do the average varmint rifles with the heavy contour barrel. I was actually very impressed. Nevertheless, I continued my research thru Remington Arms directly and asked numerous questions and recieved excellent information in return. I have attained a true education as of late.

  • jimbo

    is the 5-r rifling in the remington 700 target tactical the same as the 5-r milspec in the other remingtons. just asking, any help and website to read about it would help a lot. thinking of buying this gun so i want to make sure all the facts are straight. also, i havent seen any articles on performance tests/reviews on its accuracy and effective ranges. anyone know where i could find that. thanks for the help in advance.

  • http://thefirearmblog carter oswalt

    Just bought one, my gun dealer is a pro shooter, he is a firm believer in the 5r rifling barrel. In his opinion its the best bang for the buck. The stock alone cost $409, only thing its missing is a drop mag. The trigger is good, mine adjusted to the lightest setting. The 5r milspec is only $1000, and is just as accurate. you are just getting some added features like an adjustable triiger, stock, and 5r barrel, which makes it cheaper in the long run. Getting a barrel mounted is $250 in iteslf. Just ordered a leupold 8.5 x 25 mark 4 to add to it.I will let you know how it shoots, but he promised 1/2 moa. Hope this helps.

  • http://thefirearmblog carter

    By the way, don’t pay over 1599 plus tax….

  • jimbo

    thanks for the help, thats what i was trying to figure out.

  • sandhills

    I bought one, put a Mark 4 8.5 x 25 scope on it. Will shoot 1/2 inch groups all day. High priced but I like the way it shoots and looks. Plus, there is hardly any copper fouling in the barrel. Can put 40 rounds through it, and hardly any blue on the patches when cleaning. Other rifles I have, have bright blue fouling on them when being cleaned.

  • Rob

    Consider the XCR tactical long range. Comes in .300 Win Mag. 40x trigger, not a 5r but LTR. It is a varmint style barrel @ 26. 5r is good, will 99% of shooters notice a difference? Doubtful. 5r is for serious shooters. Im not calling anyone out, but by the time you have enought trigger time to be able to touch the theoretical capabilites you may have shot out your barrel. For now, 5r WILL make cleaning alot easier. It gets its supposed accuracy by rifling a grove on one side with a land opposite as well as rounded rifles in direction of bullet travel. This allows for less bullet deformation, which means more predictable flight path as well as less fouling from the rounded edges.
    Theyre under centerfire/tactical on rem page
    http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_XCR_tactical_long_range.asp

  • Bobby

    I was wondering if the action has been “slicked up” at remington and if the chamber is tight?

    I just bought one two weeks ago and haven’t shot it yet.
    Does anyone reload for theirs?

  • http://Comcast Brian P

    Bought the tactical target 2 months ago.Very nice till I mounted scope.Had Nikon work with me then find that rifle needed to be shimed 20 moa.Once all was figured out it sure hits the spot and then again without hesitation.I have the 308 5r mil spec and it shoots just as nice but love to pull out the trianguler 5r just to have a good time.I am now looking at the 300 mag in 5r and cant wait to shoot it.

    Yes it’s a bit more $$$ with a stock Remmie in 5r triangular barrel but that’s my deal

  • dave

    I guess my question is, is this model as accurate as the M700SS 5R Milspec which other websites claim is the most accurate rifle out of the box? Equal? Better?

  • hale

    okay i need to know how accurate and precise is this weapon? what is the effective range to get a headshot on say… a zombie?

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    I shoot a lot of .223 and .308 out of 4 differant Rem. one is a 5r .308 one is a police .308 and 2 are custom built guns one, one of each 308 and 556. We have matches here each month from XTC to F class and sniper matches. the problems i have seen with some of the rifles that come to the line are after a few ronds the thin barrels heat up and the POI changes. we seen several of the tri barrels come out and shoot but the shooters have not done very well (shooter not rifle) so they dont come back to fire again. It looks like at 12 lb this should be a great tactical rifle. Yester day on Ft. bragg a friend of mine Larry Del Pizzo fired a 223 at the 300 500 600 800 and 1000 yard line. He fires a rem 223 Tactical with a round barrel and a 1×42 night ofrce scope.. firing with 69 SMK bullets he did great out to 600, real good at 800 and at 1000 hit the black with most rounds. Wind was 5 to 8 gust to 13, left to right. The one problem we see with his gun is its a 1 in 9 twist so shooting the heavier bullits is a bit of a try and see. If any one takes this rifle out and puts it on line let us know how well it shoots.

    Thanks
    Rick Smith
    Fayetteville/Ft. Bragg NC

  • Jim

    I bought a 700 target tactical a month ago and still need glass and mounts for it. Any thoughts for getting the gun usable for ranges between 100 to 800 meters? Is a mildot scope a good idea?

    My other concern is ammo. Has anyone gone through the process of finding the best round for this rifle? I am inclined to go with match ammo from Federal as a starting point. I have never owned a rifle with this potential so optimal reloads are something I need to figure out. Can cheap ammo affect the barrel adversely such as the $17 per box 147 gr FMJ 7.62 that is for sale at Cabelas and other places (is this stuff surplus)? I was thinking of using the cheap stuff for practice to get my shooting consistent. I know that it won’t be as accurate as a 165gr or heavier match grtade rounds but I am after shooting time and consistency first and accuracy later.

    Any tips on breaking in this gun (including no cheap ammo) are appreciated.

    Jim

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    For scopes look at $1000 plus for a good one. Do get the best you can up front as you will end up moving up sooner or later. I like the Nigh force ones, the 12 by 42 are great and the price is not bad for what you get. NF gave us a talk the other day, i watched as the tech beat a scope on a table. They are built to last.
    Once you get your gun set up you will find you need the better ammo to pratice with. Start on the bench then go prone. Use the bench to get the basic shooting down, but dont spend all your time there. F class is fired from the prone and if you shoot f/tr it will be off a bipod. get your self a basic reloading set up and do your own ammo, much better than you can buy and cheaper too. I suggest you get a sierra reloading book and use the data there for a bit till you get more into the rifle. We are shooting a match in the moring and i am taking my 5R to the line with me. I load my rounds a bit on the hot side to get them out to 1000 yards I use the SMK 175 and have had good luck with them so far out of the 5R. Also lyou can adjust the triger on the 5R but make sure you do it right or have a smith do it for you.
    best of luck.
    rick

  • Jim

    Thanks for the quick reply. The Night Force scopes look good. Wish I had a 1000 yard range close by to shoot at. Will have to start at 200 yards. The reload info is great since I am looking at $35 to $40 a box for match ammo off the shelf. I am going to pick up a Harris Bipod as well. Do you use calculation tables or are you handling the distance and wind based on experience.

    Jim

  • jimbo

    jim, i bought a super sniper scope for my .308 remington 700 police. sure its a 400-500 dollar scope but it is holding up very well. you can re-set the turrets after zeroing in. i have found no problems with it holding its zero and the clarity is very good. for it being my first big scope on my first big rifle it is working great, without breaking the bank. i have only been able to test out to 200yards and it is on point. dont just take my word for it. check it out online and read some of the reviews from sniper country, snipers paradise, etc. keep in mind im a new shooter to long distance but i like it. ill let you know how i do when i can find a bigger range. till then take care.

    jimbo

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    Jim, I retired out of Special Forces about 10 years ago and did this for a living. So i use a lot of the info i have had for years. I used the M24 after they took our M21s. But! there are some great programs out there now to do the cal. for you. One is the sierra program, its pretty good. Once you know the speed, it will do all the math for you. If you load out of the book and take the speed given then put that into the program it will do all the math. Make sure to get the temps near and the elev right, also how high the scope is above the bore. Wish we had all this stuff 40 years ago. I use the Mil dot scopes to do distance and wind is somthing yo have to work at all the time to get right. At long range it can cross serveral times on you. Use your scope to focus stating close, say 100 yards and look at the mirage, grass, ect to get the winds, then keep doing this all the way out to the target, I do it about every 100 yards or so. as you are doing this you are getting your left and right adjustments. I see guys that think you just look and make one adjustment but not so. thats why you get the very best scope you can for shooting long range.
    most of my shooting is for fun now, (a little for work) I try to give the best info I can, and believe if i am going to do that to also give my name and location, to stand behind any thing i say or write. I am allways a bit slow to put out powder charges to new reloaders as i have seem some real dumb stuff done in my time. BTW, my 5R shoots great at 1000 , have to push the round a bit but it holds true. the .308 is a great 800 yard round but it will go the 1000.

  • Brenden

    I bought a target tactical off gunbroker a few months back and it will shoot 1/2 moa with cheap 168 gr walmart ammo. I reccomend the bushnell elite 4500 6-24×50 with the tactical turrets. Its a great bargain for only $500 on the on the street. And great quality. Just don’t use Prvi Partizan ammo! The walmart stuff worked great but i couldn’t hit a 2×2 foot box at 100 yards with this Prvi ammo!

  • Jim A

    I just picked one up last week. What loads are we using here to print these 1/2 MOA groups with? OAL?

  • John

    Being a novice…

    I was looking at the Rem Tactical Target, which I really like. However, what is the difference between stainless steel barrel and a carbon steel? I understand that upkeep (rust resistance) might be slightly better, but is one better than the other in regard to accuracy? The life of the barrel?

    John C

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    stainless steel barrel and a carbon steel

    Stainless steel is a bit easier to clean and does not rust as fast. the Carbon steel will last a bit longer. they both should shoot the same if made by the same barrel maker. I like the stainless on my service rifles and i use them on my bolt guns too.

  • John

    Thank you Rick!

  • Jim

    Another factor with the triangular barrel is the finish. It is a rough texture and may be harder to clean than a smooth (black or stainless) barrel. I have not had to clean it yet but do wipe it down if it it is handled.

    Jim

  • Fluke

    I was looking through this to find a comment about group size and ammo used.

    Wal-mart sells various brands of ammunition, but does not manufacture it that I’ve seen…

    Hopefully the weather will clear enough for someone who has this rifle to fire it and let us know the dope.

    It keeps snowing here! A customer of the gun shop I frequent owns one but our range does not allow access until snow is clear from the club road. When I hear something I’ll post the results here so we can all have a better idea of what we are looking at.

    I love the .308, but for this money I have to hear from several sources before I buy.

  • Brenden

    It was not walmart brand ammo it was some winchester load but the box got thrown away so I couldn’t tell you the name of the ammo.

  • John

    Any comments in regard to the following will be appreciated:

    HS Pro-Series 2000 HTR (Heavy Tactical Rifle) vs. Model 700 Target Tactical

    Thank you,

    John C

  • Aaron C

    I’m open to suggestions and opinions. I’m very interested in beginning a hobby (addiction) in long range shooting. My hunting rifle is a remington sendero in 7 RUM and I love it. I have narrowed my choices to the Remington 700 mil spec and the Remington Target Tactical. I love the stainless action and barrel as well as the contour of the mil spec. The stock also looks and feels like what I am use to with the sendero. The adjustable stock on the Target Tactical is very interesting to me. My concern is the shape and contour of the barrel. Will it heat up more quickly? Like I said, I am new to this and sure either rifle will shoot better than I can. I just want to spend my money in the right place. Thanks for the help.
    Aaron

  • Brenden

    The tactical target is supposedly the same quality as the 5r milspec, however I have not put them side by side and tested so I can’t tell you for sure. If you’re interested in just the shooting aspect and not carrying it around the stock is wonderful it adjust in all the right places to make cheekweld and eye relief perfect. The stock is a little heavy so this may be a concern if you plan on carrying it around for long range hunting trips but for managing recoil it helps. The Bell&carlson also has a rail built into the bottom with sliding sling swivel studs so you can move them where you want them then lock them down. The contour of the target tactical actually makes it retain less heat and make it cool fast while maintaining rigidity. All in all my rifle shoots great groups(see above posts) and weighs in at about 15 1/2 pounds with scope/covers, base, rings, and bipod

  • Aaron C

    Thanks for the info. I’m guessing the barrel is free flaoted in the target tactical?

  • Jim A

    Yes, the barrel is free floated all the way. Its a really nice piece. Getting ready to mount a Premier Reticle 3 -15x on it soon. Already shooting sub 1/2 inch groups with it at 100yd.

  • Brenden

    Yes the barrel is freefloated, I guess the shape of the barrel makes it hard to align it correctly or maybe I’m being a little obsessive compulsive but it looks like remington tried to align one of the triangle point on the barrel with the top of the action but they ended up being off by a few degrees and it makes it look like the barrel is uneven in the stock. I did run some paper around the barrel and down the stock though so it really was free floated. This in no way effects the accuracy it just bugs me a tad and I thought I’d share, sorry if this was longwinded.

  • Jim

    I had to replace the stock on my target tactical (it was defective) and it is held in by two machine bolts and that’s it. So it floats as far as I could see. The stiff aluminum stock is basically a large frame that is very strong. I went through the decision to either buy a 5r stainless for $1000 or this for a discounted $1424. Yes I got a good deal. So I decided to buy the “packaged” target tactical rifle, instead of the 5r SS with a standard looking stock and shorter barrel. I was interested in the longer barrel for better distance and accuracy and I like new concepts. If Remington is willing to market this triangular barrel rifle it should be good because they cannot afford to tarnish their brand. I hope!

    I have read lots of reviews about ammo for the 5r barrel (for the milspec SS gun) and it seems that it likes some of the heavier bullets, especially out more than 200 yards. I am going to break in my gun with Federal GMM 168s, at 100 and 200 yards. Anything beyond 200 looks like GMM 175s should be better. I am interested in shooting to 1000 eventually. I should be reloading by that time so I expect things may change by then. Remington suggested their 180s would be good (I asked their on line email support) If all the info I have makes any sense it is likely that the heavier SMK bullets are good for us novice distance shooters. I just moved from Texas to Illinois so I have to get a FOID card and wait for a warm enough day to get this rifle broken in properly. Texas sure is gun friendly and a bit warmer compared to Illinois. Good luck with your decision and if you have any technical questions just send them to Remington, because they have the guys who make this rifle available to provide answers.

  • Jim

    My barrel does not line up perfectly either (off a few degrees) but the scope mounting screw holes are on top in the center so it works for me. I really do like the feel and balance of the rifle. Someone suggested snap caps for practice firing. Does anyone use these?

  • Aaron C

    Thanks for all of the info guys. I did some research and noticed that midway USA has the Bell & Carlson stock for &450 or so. I think my plan is to buy the mil spec and in time replace the stock if I need to. That leaves me wondering if the stock would accept the heavy barrel as is or would additional bedding be required? I made the decision on my home and truck in less time than I am this rifle set up. Also, I have looked through lots of glass and I am interested in the Valdada IOR 6-24×50 tactical. Any thoughts on that???

  • Jim A

    Instead of “breaking in” the barrel with match ammo, just shoot it! The 5R rifling fouls very little in my experience with the Tactical Target. Cleans up very easily with Bore Tech Eliminator and Copper Remover, even with 100 rds since the last cleaning. Have gotten excellent results with both 175 and 155gr bullets so far, all with less than 200 rds thru the barrel.

    A friend of mine has the 5R milspec and that was the incentive for me to get the 700 Tactical Target, just so I could keep up ;)

    Enjoy your new rifle!

  • Jim A

    Just returned from the range. Still working on finding the optimum load and had a 300 meter, 3-shot group of .825″ (1/4 MOA) with Lapua brass, CCI BR-2 primer, Sierra 175 BTHP Matchking and Varget powder. This rifle will shoot without a doubt.

  • Jim

    Great – thanks for sharing the results. That is a tight group. Is that the best load you have tried so far?

  • Jim A

    I have also been working with 155 Noslers in Federal cases, Varget and Winchester primers that went into .300″ at 100 yd as well but I have yet to try them at 300m. Same 175gr load has gone into .400 at 100yd. I’m still at less than 300 rounds thru the barrel.

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    I have used 110 gn TNT speer at 300 and under. Weight does not matter till you get out at the LR and 300 is SR. the lighter stuff moves so fast at the short stuff, it makes no big differances as far as hitting the X. I have been using the 175 SMK with varget and its holding them real tight at the MR and LR.
    Fluted barrels are never as good as a solid one of the same Dir. almost but not exact. a Fluted barrel has more area for heat to disperse(?spelling) and saves some weight but they are not as stiff. Ask some of the big name barrel makers. Other thinks that after you break in a barrel it will shoot some super groups that it would not before. You will see a very small inprovement in group size, if you see a big one , your very lucky to have had a piss poor barrel that came about. also make every shoot you fire count. the barrel has only so many rounds it will shoot the x so use each shot. If your like me, money is the driving force, dont wast money saving a few cents a round use the good stuff and get used to it up front. to see how well your shooting, put up a 1 inch target at 100, a 2 inch at 200 with a one inch ring in the center. then a 3 inch at 300 with a one inch circle in the middle then a 2 inch. shoot 3 rounds at each one and see how well you did. then the last thing is get off the bench rest. shoot with a bi pod. then try unsupported. changes the game a bit.
    Rifle , shooter combo.
    We have a match in the morning here at Fayetteville/Ft. Bragg, NRA XTC and then a sniper match. any one in the area come out and shoot, all matches are open to the public,
    rick

  • john korka

    Attn. Carter
    Where can I get the $1599 plus tax price?

  • Jim

    Look on gunbroker.com – I have seen them for $1499 plus shipping but you have to find a gun dealer to receive the gun and do paper work (~$50 to $70). Find a dealer to accept the gun before you bid so that you know where to have it shipped. I bought mine form Cabelas as a floor model for $1424 after asking for an additional discount. I noticed a defect in the stock and Remington sent a new one to my house within two months. Check out Gunbroker.com

  • http://cedarbergoutdoors.com Jack Cedarberg

    Bought one a couple weeks ago added Leopold Mk4 6.5-25 TDR illuminated.
    Tried it out Friday with Hornady 165 soft points we got 1.35″ 5 round groups at 365yards. Look forward to trying it out at another range where we can get out to 600 yds. Not much available in Minnesota longer than that. Plan to try 175 gr Sierra Match King Remingtons.

  • AL

    I also picked one up about a month ago. Next week im ordering a MK4 8.5-25x50mm LR/T M1 Leupold for it. Im going to have their custom shop set it up with drop compensation turrets for a 168gr.BTHP round. I would suggest a Harris bi-pod 9-13 with the locking lever, I put one on and it works great. Can anyone suggest a good laser rangefinder in the mid-price range? Any input would be appreciated.
    P.S. how about that savage on the cover of american rifleman, nice!!

  • Jim A

    My project is almost complete. Just waiting on the Seekins Precision AICS Detachable Mag bottom metal. Have the Premier Heritage 3-15 on it and its fantastic! Also just installed the Jewell HVR trigger that greatly outclasses the factory X-mark Pro.

    I’m sticking with Sierra 175 matchkings at just a tad above 2600fps in Lapua cases and CCI BR2 primers using Varget.

    As far as laser rangefinders go, I have a Swaro on the way now. Get the best you can for your budget.

    AL – as far the using 168’s, are you planning on keeping your shooting under 800 yds? The 175’s can extend your range significantly before going subsonic. Even the 155’s are used at distance but a much higher velocities.

  • Jim

    For the scope, what height rings are you using? How invasive is it (or costly) to change the drop comp if you change rounds (heavier or lighter) later on?

    I got to inspect the new Savage 338 Lapua version last Sunday at a gun show. Very nice. Very heavy. Even better news was that the Springfield reps were hinting at the XDm in 45 cal possibly in a few months. If you like hand guns, the XDm is fun to shoot.

  • john korka

    Does anyone have any experience with the Burris 4-12 X 42 with the built-in rangefinder? Thinking of mounting one on the Target Tactical when i get
    it. The “off gun reader” looks like a great tool. Also, opens the range of loads for the handloader to play with.

  • john k

    Does anyone have any experience with the Burris 4-12 x 42 with the
    built-in rangefinder? Thinking of mounting one on the target tactical
    when I get it. Neat accessory of “off-gun reader” is included with it.
    One less thing to carry around!

  • AL

    I thought the 168 would be a good all-purpose round since the only ranges available in my area are between 100-400yrds.(Bummer) for rings im ordering the MK4 aluminum 30mm high-1.06″ with the MK4 tactical base. Dont quote me on this but I believe those ballistic turrets run about 125.00, I thought this was a cool feature. I was looking at the leupold RX-750 TBR rangefinder for 279.00, im going to Bass Pro this weekend and if I see one im gonna pick one up. That jewel trigger sounds nice ive been dry-firing snap caps , I think im going to be lowering the pull a little bit on mine, it feels nice and crisp though. As far as handguns go, like Mathew Quigley once said ‘never had much use for one’.
    Thanks

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    Al, the only problem with shooting differant rounds, is having differant zeros at the same range, as Jim, said, palma shoots a 155 at 1000 and they do great with it. the wind will move a 150 more than a 175 ,But ,
    the 150 will get there faster, and that means the wind will have less time to move it. I like the 175s my self and it keeps me from doing the zero info drill every range trip. but any weight will do out to 600. We shoot the .223 with 69gn and 77 gn out to 600 all the time and that is out of our AR’s. with our bolt guns we do the same in the .223. I think learning to read the wind, is the hardest for a person. Good luck and keep shooting; if the distance is small make the target small.

    rick

  • john k

    re-write: want to know if anyone has any experience with the Burris
    Eliminator laserscope? know that it is brand new.think it would be an
    awesome match for the target tactical.

  • Ron L.

    Broke down and bought the 700 Target Tactical (my first Remington) and put a Swarovski Z6 2.5 to 15 (my first Swarovski) on it. Terrible mistake, I’m 59 and the old eyes aren’t what they used to be and could not get this rigg to even zero at 200yds let alone group. Tried 18 different types and brands of off the shelf ammo and found that two of the Honady Custom loads would not come out of the chamber after being fired using the bolt, had to punch out with cleaning rod. Sent the gun back to Remington and got back info that gun needed cleaning and may be a hot barrel shooter. Had broke gun in with 200 rounds of cheap Winchester 180 grain and thought I was doing thorough job of cleaning every 3 rounds and then 10 rounds. Tried zero and grouping again at 100yds and was doing good with Match Federal 168gr until I went to 200. Had to give up on Swarovski and get MK4 Leupold 8.5 to 25. This allowed me to find out that this was and is a Hot Barrel Shooter. I am getting consistant groups of 1-1/2 to 2 inch 5 shot groups at 300 and 400 yds but the gun has to be fired at least 3 times before you shoot for group. You can only shoot two groups before barrel gets too hot and you must cool and start over. Cold barrel zero at 200yds is a 2-1/2 circle pattern with 1 shot right and 1 shot left alternating. I only shot 1 shot per day to get this cold barrel group. I can hunt deer with this gun but coyote beyond 200 would be questionable. If anyone has suggestions on how to change a Hot Barrel gun please let me know. I am enjoying the weapon as it is still fairly impressive to me to have groups that can be covered by a silver dollar or snuff can at 300 and 400 yards.

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    Ron, sorry to hear of your problems. Here are afew things to try.
    Do you reload? you said ,”off the shelf ammo.” I have never had great luck with store ammo, some good but never great. Get some jb paste and clean the bore with that. Make sure you don’t polish the chamber. After shooting I run a patch down my bore, with oil on it. I only clean real good after about 200 rounds. I all ways start with a dirty barrel. (about 10 rounds to foul it). Check your chamber lenght. Trim to what it really is and not just the book spec’s. check and see where your bullit seats at. you may have a extra long chamber. I use a long action so I can seat my rounds long and still feed from a mag. also try backing off the powder charge if you reload. what is your twist rate on the gun? Are you shooting off a bench or do you have a vice to test out of? We also found lose scope mount to be be problem with some people, over tighten or under tighten the mounts and rings..cheap rings can warp the scope, did you lap the rings before mounting the scope.
    keep us up to date on your progress

    rick

  • Ron L.

    Thanks for the input Rick. I sent this email to Remington with a hint that I thought a new barrel was needed if I was ever expected to buy another high dollar Remington, and got return shipping instructions for a facility in New York. They have received and logged in the gun but I haven’t had any other feedback for a week. I am hopeful that they will replace the barrel and give me a chance to start over, but if not I will ask them to provide the data you outlined for the reloads (ie case length, bullet depth) and go that route first. If I can’t come up with a load within a few weeks that overcomes the problem than I am going to Leo Conring in GA. for a new barrel. He loves and recommends the Rem 700 but throws everything away but the action and trigger. I might put the VTR barrel on “Gun Broker” but may well make a chin up bar out of it. Again, thanks for the information and I’ll keep you posted.

  • Ron L.

    Rick – Sorry I missed some of the questions. The VTR has an 11-1/4″ twist rate (weird huh?) and I will torque wench the mounts and rings. Again much thanks.

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    Ron, 11.25 is the same as the 5R.
    We were shooting a few months back and a guy was with us. As he fired his action got harder and harder to close. I ask him if he had check the mount screws and were they to long. Last month the was at a match and told me it was the screws. He had them trimed off a bit and now the rifle closes fine.
    on a side note, I took my win. 52D (.22 rifle) found a rail for it and put a scope on the rifle. Started with a ziesse 6.5×20 but could not get ele. to 200 yards with it. run out of up….. So i pulled a night force 12×42 with the night force 20 moa unimount and put it on. its great training for long range shooting.. but i get some looks at he range. NRA matches are fired at 50 and 100 yards. We also shoot a 200 yard match. great fun and hard to do..
    the creedmore cup is in may not far from here. hope some of you can make that one..
    rick

  • http://aol fred farrington

    just bought a new remington tactical target rifle.. 308 cal…. how do i adjust the trigger pull to make it lighter… i just looked at the trigger and see one very small screw ..but none of my allen wrenches fit it … any help would be appreciated.. thanks fred farrington…. farringtonfred [at] netscape.net

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    Go to bing.com and type that in.
    here is one of the ways to do it
    http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html
    make sure you know where a good gun smith is , if you need one. and last but the most inportant part.
    slamm the bolt home hard, real hard a bunch of times, if the firing pin falls, then you have to adjust it back to where it does not. The rifle can fire on closing the bolt.
    Maybe its best to go to a gun smith that has done Rem’s before.
    I had a friend, he had to place the rifle on safe before chambering a round each time till he got it right.

    good luck

  • Ron L.

    Fred – Check the box the Target Tactical came in. There should be a really small allen wrench in a ziplock plastic bag. This is the one for your trigger. It will not adjust much below 2 to 3 lb.

  • Ron L.

    Rick – Remington sent my Target/Tactical back and it is doing fine. 3/4MOA at 200yards COLD BARREL. They ended up Chamferring the muzzle and Lapping the bore. This took care of all the production proplems and I’m extremely happy with the gun now. I do appreciate your tips and will use them on my reloads. Thanks.

  • Martin

    “They ended up Chamferring the muzzle and Lapping the bore.” What? Is this problem specific to all the Target Tacticals or just yours? I’m about to get one but…I don’t think I have enough knowledge to know if it is a “Hot barrel shooter”, and just waste $1500 on a dust collector if not <1"MOA?
    Now, thank you very much… I'm struck, stuck and stumped.
    Give me a little encouragement…

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    martin, most Factory rifles are fine out of the box, (high end ones) but some times problems happen. Its sounds like it was the muzzel crown that may have been the problem. (allways use a muzzel guide and clean from the breach end.) I had a custom rifle made and the barrel came un screwed. but I found the problem and got it fixed. I would not worry about getting a rifle from people like Rem, Savage, Marlin or any of the rest. they all stand behind their weapons.
    I all ways lap my bores to get them as fine as i can. takes a bit of time but that is where its all at. On a side note, seen some hornady ammo it was their 178 grain match ammo, shooting at 800 yards was holding real good. I think it was the best out of the box ammo i have seen fired.that was yesterday, (Sunday) on ft. bragg. We did not get to fire at 1000, but it was holding great at the 8.

    rick

  • Ron L.

    Martin – I really feel I may have got a rifle with a barrel cut late Friday or early Monday and didn’t mean to scare anyone away from Remington. They do stand behind their products and got the problem fixed. Essentially I now have a rifle that came out of Remington’s Custom Shop for an over the counter price. The 700 is the premier rifle action world wide and used by the military but you are going to get a lemon every once in awhile no matter what you purchase and all this really cost me was some time, a couple of emails and shipping. If you do have a serious problem go straight to Headquarters and try to bypass the contract gunsmiths.
    Most other folks I’ve run into were happy with a 3/4 inch group at 100 yards no matter what kind of gun they bought but sometimes you do get what you pay for even if it takes a little time and effort and that includes no questions asked service when and if you have a problem.
    The main reason I was attracted to this gun to begin with is it is a stone cold looking bitch and the VTR barrel helped balance the whole weapon. Its not like picking up an eight foot 2×4 nailed to a short piece of 2×8 which is what most bull barrel rifles feel like to me. Good luck with whatever decision you make and don’t go all economical with the mounts and glass. I would buy the gun again.

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    Guys, I just fired the state small bore match at sir walter gun club in creedmore NC. Afterwards, we drove over to camp butner NC were we are having the Creedmore cup this coming week. When i was there I checked out the Kimbers .22 they have. I got one for $400 with a little rust on it. A spot about the size of my small finger nail. oily rag and it was gone. Check out the cmp web site, and look at them. They may get some .22 40x in also but they are never sure when. great guns to stay up to speed for the big stuff.
    Martin, let us know what you do.
    Best to Everyone
    Rick

  • Martin

    Well, at this time, i’m seriously going to buy the Sako TRG 22. If the dealer wasn’t out of stock, it would be on its way right now. As what another said, I haven’t heard anything bad about this gun…Just find something, and I could reconsider, but probably not. I hadn’t even heard of this gun before. Just shows how much i’ve been around guns, though i’m easliy swayed. If you haven’t heard of Sako, just don’t look at the price.

  • peter kulak

    Beware the Target Tactical:

    My TT has been back to Remington once already and still has difficulty shooting under 1MOA. THey chamfered the muzzle andlapped the barrel (sound familiar) and also adjusted stock clearances (whatever that means exactly) THe folks I dealt with at Remington were nice enough but the rifle is goig back for a second time. Buy the TRG22.
    Also my TT is a HOt barrel shooter. Can’t shoot more than 10 rounds without cooling it off. If you don’t cool it the groups get crazy (2MOA). Not what I woould call a target or tactical rifle. I cannot tell you how disappointed I am in this product. Looks great but shoots like crap

  • peter kulak

    Requiem for Remington:

    Finally got my TT back after two weeks. The folks I dealt with at Remington were great and does this thing shoot. After some inital problems that apparently were alleviated by cleaning I am shooting .5 MOA or better w/ many one hole groups.
    What a shooter and not a bad stick to look at either.

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    that sounds like BRM problems were the fix to the gun. at what range have you fired the rifle at? anything past 5 and what rounds are you using?

  • peter kulak

    Rick:

    In MOntana I have shot it past 600… IN connecticut only 100. Using 168 BTHP Federal gm308m or 175 gm308m2 or HSM amax.

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    Peter, what bullit do you like best, hunting and long range shooting, I am using the 175 smk for all non hunting stuff, and i use the sierra game loads for hunting. havent used the a max, as i like to stay with one round as best i can.
    rick

  • peter kulak

    Rick:

    I like the smk also but am experimenting w/ Amax Hornady 168. A friend is cooking some reloads based on the HSM loads which seem to shoot well.
    Do you have a TT also??

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    i have a custom built long action(green gun), i had them use the 78 actions as it is stronger that the 700 and i wanted a long action, bull barrel and the stock has all the stuff to adjust the check and lenght. I also have 2 700s one a 5R and the other a Police tac. and then a m1a in 308. then i have a 700 in 556 (red gun) custom build. my 2 customs are real heavy and i use the 5R for wehn i will be moving very much. the 556 i use 600 and under. I am lucky as i can open ranges on Ft. Bragg and we can shoot out to 1000 yards. I am Special Forces (Ret). and that helps. at our club the range only goes out to 300 yards, but when shooting targets that are 1 MOA or smaller its still great shooting. somthing you should try is 22 long range. we have a match at 200 yard with .22 rimfire. again great shooting. the 22 is no toy. the rifles are just as good and big as my hipower stuff.
    have a good one.
    rick

  • peter kulak

    Rick:

    Have a 22 AR built by Frank White from Compass Lake. On calm days it easily out shoots my TT at 100. Am waiting to go to MT in July to shoot 1000.
    Nice weapons collection… gives me something to aspire to!!!

    Best

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    I am getting rid of the 308 police tac. to a friend who is coming back from afganistan. he needs a good LR to shoot. I just recieved the kimber 22 from the cmp yesterday and am taking the wife out to get her on target for next weeks small bore match, i will let you know how it shoots after sunday.
    I like the 308 for most stuff as it is easy to reload for and not to costly to shoot. the 556 is a great cal. and shoots to 600 real well. i also shoot XTC with the service rifle and am thinking of going to a match rifle also. but I am one of those that will shoot about anyting for fun.

    rick

  • Robert

    I recently purchase this rifle and have own serveral different long range rifle from Savage to Custom made. For the money this weapon is great. I have tried ammo from 140 gr SP to 180 SP Federal and 150 FMJ Military grade. This rifle doesn’t really like anything less the 150 gr out to 300 yards. Beyond 300 yards I have determined, from a factory load stand point, you MUST use a 180gr bullet. At 500 yards im getting a consistent 2.5″ group, little to no wind factor. At 1000 yards it a push, not a very good group at all. If you are hunting with this weapon you will diffentely be able to put a kill shoot on an Elk or Moose, but trying to shoot a Whitetail or an Antelope it will be a hit or miss situation and I would not recommend. At 800 yeards this thing can take down a coyote with no problem what so every. I have noticed that when shoot competition with this rifle the barrel does heat up and doesn’t seem to dissapate the heat as well as Remington suggests. If you are looking for a hunting rifle for long ranges, this rifle has one of the best cold bore shoots I’ve ever since. The action is smooth and tight, chambers rounds with a problem, so no need to take your eye of the target when cycling another round. I agree with the earlier statement that this rifle carries its weight VERY well. I mounted a Millet 6-24×56 Long Range scope on my and this scope is also around the $500 mark. I have the .1moa turretts and have had not problem with this scope returning to zero. This scope also comes with a sun shade, which is very helpful for those long days in the field and the glaring sun. The only issue that I have seem with this scope is that when you zoom to 25 power it does get a litlle fussy, but back it off to 24 power and your good to go. This scope also have 140 moa without the need for a 15moa or 20moa base in order to reach out to 1000 yards. All in all this rifle should have be name the Remington 700 Varmint/Tactical.

  • http://www.predatorwild.com Heath

    Robert,

    Your comments confuse me. You say it’s capable of taking a coyote at 800 yards (why???) but that it’s not capable of taking deer or antelope which are larger animals and provide a larger target to hit. Can you explain?

  • Robert

    Reread my comment, I was speaking at a range of 1000 yards. Groups arent tight enough and to much lost velocity to guarentee a clean kill on an animal of approx 200 lbs plus. At 800 yards, groups are at 4 to 5 inches. That will be more than accurate to take out even a small animal.

  • Jesse W.

    I purchased my Remington Target Tactical a month ago and hadn’t been able to shoot it past 200 yards until last weekend. Where my folks live they have a range that is 200,300,385, and 500 meters, so dad and i took it out to the range and tried it out. The load I was shooting is the same load that I use in my Savage 10 Tactical. It consists of 43 grains of RL-15 behind a 168 Sierra M.K. The weather wasn’t real cooperative it was kind of misty/raining and had about a 3-5mph wind. The groups were all 3 shot groups. My 200 meter group was right at 1/2″(2 were dang near in one hole), the 300 meter group was right at 1.5″, 385 meters was 2.2″ and at 500 meters I had a 2.7″ group.(2 shots were about .5″ apart and the third opened it up to 2.7) Dad was watching the wind indicators at the targets while I was watching them up close. I would try to send them when the indicators were about the same. The scope that is on my rifle is a Leupold Vari-X III LR 6.5-20×50 with the Leupold dot and it is sitting in 30mm Leupold rings and a one piece Leupold base. Dad and I were both really impressed with the performance of the rifle and I didn’t have one problem with anything on the rifle.

  • AL

    After reading the stats on that Les Baer TR that was on the cover of American Rifleman I found out that Wyatt”s outdoors has a drop mag. system that is a drop in for the Rem.TT for about 200.00. This seems to me to be the way to go, short actions are a pain to load. Just picked up a Bushmaster Varm. after I put some glass on it, I will change out my bott. for this unit. Has anyone else done this yet?

    AL

  • Mark

    Just got my target tactical rifle, I live in Oregon and belong to a gun club that has a 1000 yard range. Don’t have a scope on in yet, only had the rifle for 3 days, I have shot about 40 rounds to help break in the barrel cleaning the rifle after each round. ( it took me about 6 hours) Alot of club members saw the rifle and liked it. 4 of are club members are on the USA shooting team. ( team savage ) They told me I should use a 175 gr Match King. I’m going to use a night force scope 8×42, should be ok out to 1000 yards.

  • Mark

    Well I just got back from the range, I put a Leupold Vari X III 3×9 scope on the rifle for now, just so I could try some loads. My friend and I tryed some of his reloads 175 match king with 42.2 grains of IMR 4064 2680fps and at 100 yards I was able to shoot 1/4 to 1/2 moa, from the bench.I was able to shoot a 3 shot group dime size, and a 8 shot group about a nickel size. I LOVE THIS GUN!!!! I got it for $1500.00 brand new, my buddy has a Remington model 700 in a MacMillon stock with a varmit barrel and can’t do better than 1/2 to 3/4 moa with his rifle, and his rilfe was custom built for him and cost him a lot more than mine did!! I can’t wait till I get my Night Force 12×42 scope and shoot it at a longer range.I also need to get a bi-pod does any body have any idea’s on what they would recommend?

  • http://www.predatorwild.com Heath

    Mark, check out the Atlas bipod.

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    go to sinclair int. they hae a super one that fold up real nice. Cost a lot but.
    good to hear the rifle is doing so well.

    rick

  • Mark

    Thanks Heath; I’ll do that. I’m going to check out Harris bipods as well.

  • Brenden

    I recently bought an atlas bipod. Great rig. A couple of problems though. 1 since it operates on a ball joint so not only does it pan and tilt, but it also rocks forward and backward which isn’t really a major issue, just bothersome. 2 the lock ring is alot like the one on the back of a harris swivel model bipod, meaning that you can’t fully lock down the bipod using just your fingers. 3 if you pan to far from center while the legs are only extended 45 degrees down (instead of the full 90 degrees down) the rifle becomes unstable and falls over. Other than these three problems, 2 of which (#1&#2) only seem to be teething issues while I’m switching from a harris bipod, the bipod is great and offers a greater range of veratility in how one uses their bipod. And the company even sells an adapter to attach the bipod to the sling swivel rail on the bottom of the 700 Target Tactical(which is needed because the bipod mounts to 1913 rails instead of sling swivels. I’ve shot my best group of .33 inches with this rifle on this bipod.

  • http://www.predatorwild.com Heath

    Brenden,

    Is your Atlas the new V8 model?

    To fix the issue you’re talking about with the tilt adjustment on the Harris, get a pod lock http://t-nuts.com/index.php?cPath=73&osCsid=80bdd15410083e04c17fa6e780f0ea37

  • Brenden

    I’m not sure I know the difference between models but if it helps I bought it from Accushot about a month ago. And I agree that a podlock helps on the Harris but accushot should make some sort of lock like the podlock for the Atlas, I might see if I can fashion one out of a Harris podlock or something else, but I’m not real excited about taking apart my brand new $220 bipod.
    Like I said even with these Problems I feel this bipod is a major improvement over the Harris design. Its stronger, lighter, has greater range of height and angle adjustments. The interchangeable feet are a great feature. I like the feet that come with it they have far more grip than Harris feet.

  • ToddP

    I just purchased a TT and desire good optics. My primary use is hunting for AZ Coues Deer and I routinely take shots between 400-600 range. What sort of scope would you recommend that is rugged, yet will also perform well at the range for longer shots? I have never had a tactical scope before and appreciate your inputs. My price range is flexible. I do not want to go cheap and later upgrade. A good mid-level, well performing scope would be best.

    This has been a fantastic blog! Thanks all.

  • Brenden

    I’ve been using a Bushnell 4200 6-24×50 power. Good scope very repeatable, clicks seem to be right on and if you use Burris xtr rings you can use the low rings and get the scope slung pretty low.(I bought the medium rings and the scope is a tad too high, going to by some low rings when I can talk myself into spending more money on something that already works.) The scope has a mil dot reticule that is accurate at 12 power so at 6 power the measurements are double and at 24 power the measurements are halved so you cant mill pretty accurately. The glass seems good, although honestly I’ve never even looked through any real high dollar scopes, but I shoot 600 yards with it frequently and have no problem seeing the spotter disk and have no clarity issues. All in all a good scope got mine off ebay for about $500.

  • Mark

    To ToddP; There are a lot of good scopes out there, but after talking to the people at Leupold I’m going to go to a Leupold vari x 4 6×24 or a Night Force 8×32 tactical scope. the Leupold has about 100 moa of elevation and 65 moa windage, and the Night Force has about 65oma of elevation and 45moa of windage both are good scopes but if you do not know how to ajust for wind buy a cd called milldot master you can get it on line for about $30.00. The scopes I was talking about will cost around $800.00 to $1300.00. I hope this helps.

  • Toddp

    Thank you Mark and Brenden. I appreciate it.

    Today, I looked through a Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24×40 that I really liked. It seems to fit the bill for my goals and wasn’t as bulky as the X50. I own a Leupold VX-II and the glass seems pretty darn close. Thoughts?

    Also, since I have never owned a tactical scope, I wonder, do tactical knobs present any challenges I should adjust for while in the field? When folks are deer hunting, do they really click up the required amount to bring their cross hairs up on the target? It seems that’s the goal. I have always just adjusted my site picture and used windage based on distance and wind… I’m kinda resistant to change because I do not want to get burned when a really really good buck comes along.

  • Brenden

    The knobs on the Bushnell are tight enough that they shouldn’t change even if dragged across something(not to say they are too tight just tight enough) and they way the knobs are set up it would be clear it you had accidentally turned them. As far as adjusting it in the field sure its faster to just hold off the appropriate amount but I think we would all agree that dialing in the right correction on the scope is more accurate. But since the scope has a mil dot reticule, you can find a chart that shows you the approximate distance the dots could be used as hold offs or make a day at the range and experiment until you find what dots could be used for suitable hold overs. Just type in mil dot holdover on google and you should get a wealth of knowledge.

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    For hunting the minute of moose works great and is that was all i was going to do i would go with a low power scope and a big field of view. zero the rifle at say 200 or 250 yards do some simple math for hold overs and go hunting. I use a ziess 3×9 with a 50 mm bell. knobs are low and once set i leave them with the cover on.
    but when i am shooting minute of angle shoot. All of that goes out the door and i move to a mill dot scope. I learned a long time ago, you do not pay for power, you pay for glass. Good clear, sharp glass cost. then we also get into repeatability of settings of the scope and that cost too. Early in the morning most any scope will do, but when the mirage comes up now its back to the glass. I have several night force and ziesse scopes and both are great. nf are 12 X 42 and the z’s are 3×9 and 6×20 all have target knobs. if i was going to go with a single scope, i would suggest going with a rail system, and a mil dot scope of good glass. I use the NF rails on all of my rifles with the 20 moa. I then mount my scope and shim it so as my 100 yard zero is about 2 or so moa up from dead bottom. with the NF i have 40 moa up and that takes me out to 900 meters with a 308 and a serria 175 MK loaded hot. for any more i use the mill dot. I have to lower my settings to do the mildot but its no problems. If you want to test your rig out do a f class match. you may also do a XTC as we shoot out to 600 yards in that match you will be shooting against people with ar15s and iron sights but they may do a lot better than you think. At our matches we have people shoot the xtc with a scope and have never had any one win the match. Some have come near but. side note, here in NC we can now use crosse bows for deer. good luck on the hunt.
    rick

  • tyler

    Ive been trying out SMK 175, Lapua brass, Federal Match Primers, and Varget. Just wondering if anyone had advice on seating depth off the lands.

  • http://crossecreekrifleandpistolclub.com Rick

    i set mine 18 th. off the lands and i load a hot round for the 175 SMK. be real carefull of doing any thing non standard. I had a friend blow up a real nice M1A NM by not knowing what he was doing with a reloader. Look for over pressure. never shoot hot loads in a gas gun. My Green gun actions is a rem 78 i had built. You may have to single load each roud.
    best of luck
    rick

  • http://CALIF dan

    CAN SOME ONE HELP ME. I AM LOOKING TO GET A.REMINGTON 700 TACTICAL TARGET WHAT DO YOU THINK. CAN YOU PUT A SCOPE ON IT OR DO YOU. NEAD ONE .JUST STARING OUT

  • Mark

    Hi Dan; Most of all the target tactical Remington rifles that I know of do not come with sights on them. that being said, they are drilled and taped for scopes. If you are going to use the rifle for hunting you can put almost any good scope on it and the rifle should do just fine. If you want to shoot long range, I would put a tactical scope on it. I use Leupold 3.5 x12 and Bushnell 4200 3×9 for hunting, they both work great. I like the Leupold the best becuse I live in Oregon about 20 miles from the Leuopold factory so if I have a problem with the scope it’s easy for me to get it fixed. If you are going to use the Rem. target tactical 700 for lone range shooting or as a sniper style of rifle, I would go with a scope from Leupold custom shope or with Nightfroce. I hope this helps, let us on the blog know.

  • pete

    Beware of the Target Tactical:

    After returning my TT to Remington twice I got a real shocker. My TT POS shoots 1+ MOA. Remington tesll me that the spec on this rifle is 1.5 MOA and anything under that is ok as far as they are concerned.
    Their marketing says “tack driving accuracy”. Since when is that 1.5 MOA.

    DO NOT BUY ONE OF THESE UNLESS , LIKE DIRTY HARRY, YOU ARE FEELING LUCKY TODAY. IF YOU GET A GOOD ONE (.5 MOA) GREAT…. IF YOU GET A +1.00MOA YOU ARE SCREWED AND IT WILL BECOME A NEW BARREL PROJECT.

  • Terry

    Purchased a TT in July. Added a Leupold 6.5-20×50 Mk4 M1/TMR, Harris 9-13 tilting bipod, and Wyatt’s Outdoors bottom metal. (Nice fit & function!!–be sure to get the optional single feed hard plastic magazine; the 5 and 10 round detachable magazines work very well. $250 w/1×5-or-10 rounder.)
    Garth Kendig at Leupold Custom Shop fitted and zero’ed the scope, and custom cut a 168g turret. After 40+ years of NM M1’s, M1A SM’s, and Win M70 IMT’s, I have never owned a rifle as consistently accurate as this. I will be glass bedding parts of the metal stock chassis (similar to the Les Baer version) which should stabilize potential barrel heating differential.
    Shoots <1/2 moa with 168g Federal GMM. Haven't fired it over 500y so far, but will take it to 800y when I can score some 175g's.
    If you need a good M700 gunsmith to tidy up all of the potential of this rifle–Kevin Wyatt, in Medford, OR–(Wyatt's Outdoors website) is a pro.
    This is one accurate, affordable, and fun to shoot weapon. Now I want one in .300WM… or .338 Lapua.

  • jesse crisp

    i got a remington m700LH iv had it for some time now its a vary impresive rifle being is iv made over hafe a dozen 800yrd shots with it and a cople 1000yrd shots im one for long range shots close range dosent have the challeng that i look for. im shooting a M700LH .243 with bull barrle and a 3x9x40 scope with a bipod.i took it to a shooting comp. in N.D. we were shooting 5rounds at 300&500yrds with no bipod i shot all 10 rounds in under 45sec.

  • pete

    Just got my TT back from the gunsmith…. after rebedding the stock, turning the crown down and fixing the pillar bedding arrangement it is beginning to shoot.
    6 months worth of aggrevation when I could have bought a TRG22 for a little more money and had a shooter out of the box.
    The only way I touch remington action is if the person supplying it to me gaurantees accuracy. That way all of this non-sense is their problem and not mine.

  • Ron L. Cook

    After over 400 rounds through my TT (200 plus were Handloads) and two trips back to Remington, I finally gave up and have sent it out for a new barrel. I tried all the suggestions I got on this site and when I finally got a gauge to check bullet seating I found my chamber was cut at 2.993″ when all hand loading guides recommend 2.8 for overall length (a friend of mine suggested trying a few 30.06 rounds). I did load and shoot some at this length although there was not a whole lot of bullet inside the case and they would not feed from the magazine. It made no difference. I wouldn’t have been so disapointed if this were a $500 dollar gun. If you buy one and it shoots head to Vegas your ship is in.

  • pete

    Ron:

    I share your pain. I had mine rebedded and it shoots 180 grain Nosler Partions about .65 MOA with heads about .002 from the rifling. I went through the same song and dance with two trips to remington also. Found a good gunsmith and he “fixed” the problem.

  • pete

    An update on the TT

    Every 150 or so rounds the barrel must be stripped because it fouls with copper. Groups go from .7 to 1.25 MOA in about 10 rounds. Strip it with copper solvent, fire about 25 rounds and your as good as new.
    Remington says that the 5R rifling is virtually impervious to copper fouling. I wonder if the guys who write the copy for the adds have ever even seen one of these piles of scrap.

  • Ron L. Cook

    Pete:

    This must have been one of the problems the Remington guy was dancing around on my first return. He wrote back that the barrel was fouled and was effecting accuracy. The break in process I used was 200 rounds – clean every 3 rounds for the first 30 rounds, clean every 5 rounds for the second 40 rounds, clean every 10 rounds for 50 and then clean every 20 until I shot the rest of the 200. After break in I was firing Fed Prem 168gr match which is not known for being a dirty round and cleaning every 50 rounds. My cleaning process is using a patch wrapped bronze brush and Remington 40X cleaner and after only firing about a 150 rounds I realized I had a problem Remington needed to address. Their first response was a fouled barrel. It sounds like these guns are picking up more copper than a mining dredge. What did they use to hammer forge this barrel a 16lb slegde and a 30 penny nail? Of course if you are only after 1.5″ moa at 100 yards that does take a lot of pressure off of your quality control department.

  • Robert

    I have had my 700 T/T for 4 months now. I have been trying different rounds from 140 to 180 gr. In my rifle, it likes the 180 gr the best. I do both bench and prone from 100 to 500 yards. I am very impressed with the cold bore shot. It is always dead on, the second shot is always in or touching the first. Now for the bad news, after the second shot all following shots will go .1 mil right and .2 mil down, consistently. It appears that once the barrel gets a little heat, it changes characteristics. Have not quite figured out why, I have fired over 300 rounds and have not had the fouling problem as described. Always cleans up nice. It definitely sounds like Remington has Quality Control issue in manufacturing this rifle. Overall I’m pretty pleased with mine, just need to workout a few bugs.

  • pete

    Ron:
    The last time i sent the rifle to Remington they told me that it was shooting 7/16 MOA (off course there were no sample targets to prove this) and that my accuracy issues were that I was not using Remington Match ammo. They were probably right… I was using that junky Federal GN308M stuff.
    When I got it to the gunsmith on Montana he found that the bolt hit the stock and the bedding looked as though it was done by a visually impaired drunk, and the crown was way to deep. For $200.00 the thing shoots .7 MOA but MUST be cleaned every 150 rounds. You can actually see copper beads in the barrel when it fouls.
    The thing that really torqs me off is that Remington knew that the bedding was not even close to correct but let it go anyway. Before I rebedded my cold bore shot would 4 to 6 inches or higher at 100 yards. THis is not only a QC problem it is a corporate culture problem. “Lets screw the customer because we can”
    In my obsessive attempt to get even with Remington I have succedded in talking 3 people out of buying a TT and into a TRG22.
    I would love to buy American and will do so every chance I get. But I will not support corporations who think that their profits are more important than their moral behavior. Did you see the piece on CNN about the 700 trigger?? BTW I replace the XMark Pro with a Jewel BRV. Great trigger adjusts to 2 pounds but hits the action and must be fitted. Another piece of work my gunsith did.

  • pete

    Robert:

    After my gunswith adventure mine will shoot cold bore in the group. It will shoot handloads (that my TRG 22 and 42 shoot to less than .4 MOA) 3 rounds less than .5 amd then two rounds together .5 MOA away. It is consistently inconsistent.
    I have no other rifle that fouls like this one. My TRG’s get Kroil every 50 or so rounds and continue to shoot one hole.
    I have given up on this rifle and will use it for intermediate distance dispatch (300-500 yds) of coyotes. However it is neither a target rifle or a tactical rifle so perhaps it needs another name…..how about $1700 disappointment.

  • Jim

    Have you identified what the problem is with the gun to where you can replace the defective part. What I mean is, do you need a different barrel, or ? to really fix the problem instead of trying to fix the existing barrel? Or is it not worth another $300 to $400 dollars to try and get the gun usable? Just trying to undrstand if this is a $1500 loss or just a $?? loss for new parts.

    I bought a TT last year but because I am too busy I still have not shot it. I have seen some good reports on this blog about groupings and yet your experience is not thrilling. If I decide to sell it is it worth more since I have not shot it or do I take the same loss on it either way. So then why not at least try it out. What kind of a trade in can I expect form a gun shop if I upgrade to something that costs even more?

    I am really thinking that one of the recent 308 assault rifles would be better for me since the only distance shooting I can find NW of Chicago is 200 yards at Bristol, and iron sights or an ACOG might be lot’s of fun (if I can find the time).

  • Mark

    Hi guys,
    I’m so sorry to here that so many people are having trouble with there TT. I must be one of the luckey ones, I got a box of Hornaday 155gr factory and shot a 5 shot group that was .5 inches. I bought Winchester brass, and winchester primers Sierra Match king B.T. 175gr bullets and started working up a load and found that with 44gr of IMR 4064 I’m able to shoot a 5 shot group that was .75 ( 3/4 of an inch ) at 200 yards!! I belong to a range out here in Oregon, and we can shoot out to 1000 yards! The name of the range is Douglas Ridge Rifle Club, and four of are members belong to Team Savage and they just won the World championship, and U.S.A. championship for long distance ( out to 1000 yards. ) Anyway after talking with them about my TT and using the Winchester produsts and the 175gr Sierra bullets ( they told me that with the 26 inch barrel and 1-11 1/4 twist the 175gr were the best bullets to use.) Needless I’m VERY PLEASED!! I was told I needed a heavier bullet for longer distance. And the Sierra Match King would give me the best groups once I found the right powder charge. I hope this info helps you guys that are trying to get better groups.

  • pete

    Jim

    As you can see there are some folks that are very happy with their TT’s. Unfortunately it looks as if its a crap shoot as to the gun shooting .5 MOA or 1.5 MOA. If I were you I would shoot the gun and see what you have so that you can have an idea of what fair value might be. After all of the work I have done the rifle shoots .7 MOA which is really about what I paid for (approx $1700.00). I think Ron put it very well when he said if you get a shooter go to Vegas… your ship is in.

    With regards to reloads I have tried Sierra 168,175,Nosler 180 BT, and Sierra 200 with loads of Varget/Tac/Re15. I have reached the conclusion that the rifle is what it is…. it will shoot 4 out of 5 shots of a group in one hole and then push one high or right or both 3/8 MOA. Its never the same round (any one of the rounds can be off) and it is not a heating issue as I can push 20 rounds thru the rifle in 10 minutes and the last group shoots like the first (after rebedding of course).
    With regards to the quality of the rounds I reload I have a TRG 22 in 308 and a 42 in 338 that shoot my reloads in the .3MOA range consistently. So it aint like I don’t know how to pull a trigger. THis is basically what I told Remington when I sent the rifle back the second time. There response was that the gun shoot 7/16 when I could not get anything under 1 inch but sent them targets from ny TRG’s sub .3 MOA at 200 yards. Gee….. do you think they faked the results of their tests or did they just not shoot it at all and lie about it?

  • Johnny

    Hello
    I Just Purchased a TT.
    I’m new to shooting rifles and I’m looking to buy a Leupold Mark 4 but don’t know if which one to get a 6.5-20 VS 8.5 x 25, I’m going to be doing mostly target shooting at 200, 300 and 600 yards hopefully 1000 yards if get good at it.

    But I have no scope experiences thank you for the help.

    JV

  • Terry

    Johnny:

    I bought a TT in August, mounted my first-ever scope (been a military match shooter for many years) and attended Thunder Ranch (Oregon) three weeks ago–nearly 400 rounds of .308 in three days! We shot silhouettes to 700 yards, and a small disc at 900 yards.

    Mounted a Leupold Mk 4 6.5-20×50 M1 with a TMR (mil-dot) reticle, “mid” high bases. It worked beyond my wildest dreams. We fired a bunch of rounds to zero and establish a baseline “dope” for the bullet drop compensator turret, then proceeded to switch ranges back and forth to practice quick target acquisition and adjustments. I went from “0” to pretty damn confident at all ranges in under a hundred rounds.

    The .308, in a good rifle, is all I’ll ever need. Now I need to put a comparable scope on my M1A-SM, and with the TT, I’m good, for life.

    Highly recommend getting a coach–either a retired shooter who will take you under his wing for an occasional lunch, or attend a class such as Thunder Ranch. It’ll be the crowning touch on your investment in rifle and glass.

  • Johnny

    Terry
    Thank you so much. This is very helpful info.
    I’m schedule to take a tactical rifle course.
    Is there any reason to use 8.5 X 25 scope in this rifle?
    JV

  • Mark

    Jonny,
    I think Terry is right on the money!! You need a scope that has some kind of tactical ajustments, and Leupold makes a great scope. If you go to Leupold custom shop they can make just about what you would want. That being said, when it comes to tactical if you don’t go with Leupold then maybe you should look at the Night Force scopes. Night Force scopes are made for police and for are military and lone range shooters, ( the people that shoot 1000 yards or more!!) It depends on what you want. Leupold custom scope will cost you around $1200.00 to $1400.00. A Night Force scope will run you around $1600.00 to $2000.00. I have both of the scopes I just mentioned, The four guys that just won the World Champianship long range shooting and the U.S.A. long range Champianship are members of my gun club, and they use Night Force scopes. Having a good gun is important, but having great glass for long range shooting is a must!!! I hope this helps.

  • Johnny

    Terry
    Did you order from Leupold custom shop?

  • Terry

    Johnny:

    The 8.5-25 scope would probably give a slight advantage off a bench, I think the 6.5-20 is adequate for the field. The 50mm objective reticle is well worth the additional $100 or so over the 40mm when in acquisition mode and a high magnification setting.
    Also consider the lighted reticle if you shoot low-light conditions, dark backgrounds, etc. Leupold Custom is awesome, their accessories (lens covers–Alumina magnetic–fit flush; extended shades (2.5-4″), Neoprene covers, and best of all, their handy mini magnetic boresighter–sticks to the outside of the muzzle–not inside.)

    Mark:

    I’m also a DRRC member–let’s get together and see if we can squeeze all we can out of these rifles….

  • Terry
  • Johnny

    Terry
    Thank you so much.

    JV

  • Jim A

    Has anyone noticed some rubbing in the barrel channel about an inch or so from the front end of the stock? There is evidence of rubbing on barrel as well. My only guess is that its from the barrel flex upon firing. The barrel is properly floated at rest.

    It also shoots pretty well at 300 meters. Loads are 175 MK at around 2600fps.

    I am thinking of removing material from the stock in that area.

    Thoughts? Opinions?

    Thanks

  • Ron L. Cook

    Jim A.

    Yeah, I had the same thing on my TT. It looked like the barrel was really hammering the stock channel for about 1-1/4 inch on the left side. Took some material out of the stock channel but this did not help accuracy at all for me. It is worth a try for you though. No free floated barrel should ever touch the stock.

  • Jim A

    Just relieved the barrel channel for about an inch – was getting contact on both sides for about 3/4″. Have had pretty good accuracy with it so far. Would just like to know that I am getting consistent vibrations throughout the firing cycle.

  • Johnny

    Big question.
    When mounting the base for the scope, did anyone drill and re-tapped to use the 8-40 screws?
    Do I need to do this ? Is it really need it?

  • Johnny

    Sorry the last question dose not make sense.
    Is it really necessary ?

  • Jim A

    It all depends on how much scope weight you are going to mount. For just a regular size scope, you won’t need it.
    If you are planning to put a long mount for a very large and heavy scope and/or NV, it is a good idea to go with 8-40. If you do go with 8-40, its not really a big deal for a gunsmith to do it for you.

  • Mark

    I have a question for all you TT owners, and here it is:
    Have any of you or do you know anyone that has changed there TT from a hinged floor plate, to a detachable mag rifle?
    And if so,who did they go threw, and does any one know if the H S Persition’s .308 convertion for Remington will work in the TT?

    Thanks for your advice!!

  • Jim A

    Mark,

    I just had a Seekins Precision AICS bottom metal installed on my TT.
    Found that I had to drop the rear lug area about .150 or so in addition to opening up the mag well area. Needed to use a very long 5/8 endmill to clear the pistol grip.
    Also, found that either the pillars were not in their proper place or the cut for the lug wasnt cut to spec. The screws used by the factory were a small diameter so no problem with the large inside diameter of the pillars. I had to relieve the front of the pillars due the the new bolts being larger in diameter.
    You may or may not have to relieve some of the feed ramp in the center, as it hangs a bit over the front of the mags.
    Prior to installing the bottom metal, I used the 3 round extension floorplate made by Arms Tech.

    Hope this helps. Any questions, just ask.

  • Terry

    Mark:

    Not familiar with the HS Precision M700 detachable magazine system; but I put the Kevin Wyatt (Wyatt’s Outdoors–Medford, OR) detachable magazine system in my TT, and couldn’t be more pleased. Total cost was about $250 for one magazine, either a 5 or 10 rounder. Easy to load mags and easy insertion and lock up in the rifle. Drops free.

    Mounting the bottom metal takes a little careful fitting, sometimes a small shim is necessary under the front receiver assembly mounting bolt; or a little metal removal from the bolt shaft to keep it from contacting the barrel. Kevin did it in about 2 minutes while I watched. Zero malfunctions. Pounded the rifle hard at Thunder Ranch. Easy to load mags from prone, always had several ready to cycle.

    Kevin also sells a dummy magazine block made of hard rubber, which allows single loading by simply dumping rounds into the chamber bay–much easier than dealing with the magazine follower and getting rounds cock-eyed more often than not.

    Sorry to you who have been frustrated by this rifle’s performance–mine has been a dream to set-up and shoot. I will be anxious to start benching it this spring to see what it is really capable of.

  • pete k

    Remington TT epilog:

    I have chronicled my trials and tribulations (is that what TT stands for?) with the Remington TT. My TT now shoots .4 MOA AVG for 12 groups (not one lucky group)
    Only had to make the following minor changes:

  • pete k

    Send to Remington twice. They basically hand lapped the barrel and told me to drop dead.
    Rebed stock as the original bedding looked as if it was done by a blind drunk ( I apologize in advance to all of those blind drunks who read this)
    Shorten Crown
    Tru-Up Bolt Face/Action Face
    Set back barrel 1 turn as barrel face was no where near square
    Lap Lugs
    Recut Chamber (out of round so only recut what we had to)
    Added 1lb pressure pad to barrel at stock for-end to stop groups from opening as the barrel heated up

    This rifle is now a shooter although after 25 rounds the groups will start to drop about .15 MOA. A great (but heavy) long distance coyote gun.

    THIS BARREL IS A POOR DESIGN PUT ON A RIFLE ASSEMBLED IN A SLIP SHOD FASHION BY REMINGTON. THE CONDITION OF THE MACHINED SURFACES WAS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO FIND IN A $500 RIFLE NOT A $1700 RIFLE.IT IS NOT A TARGET RIFLE AS THE BARREL CONTOUR IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN GROUPS AS THE BARREL HEATS. FOR A ONE OR TWO SHOT (TACTICAL OR HUNTING) SCENARIOS IT IS AN AMAZINGLY ACCURATE TACK DRIVER.
    FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE RIFLES THAT SHOOT CONSISTENTLY OVER A 50 ROUND TEST (SHOT AS FAST AS YOU CAN CHAMBER THE ROUNDS….. NO COOLING IN BETWEEN SHOTS) YOU SHOULD ATTEND CHURCH AS YOU HAVE WITNESSED A MIRACLE.
    FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE THINKING OF BUYING ONE JUST ADD THE $500 DOLLARS WORTH OF EXTRAS INTO THE SELLING PRICE WHEN YOU GET ONE THAT IS A LEMON. LOOK AT THE ABOVE BLOG…. I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO GOT ONE THAT DIDNT SHOOT.
    AT $2200 INCLUDING ALL OF THE ABOVE WORK THE SAKO TRG22 LOOKS BETTER AND BETTER.
    REMINGTON DOES NOT DESERVE YOUR LOYALTY AND HARD EARNED MONEY WHEN THEY PRODUCE THIS KIND OF PRODUCT AND DO NOT STAND BEHIND IT.

  • Ron L. Cook

    Pete k. I no longer have my TT Albatross around my neck. I went to a builder (Tooter Meredith in Rogersville Al.) to get a new barrel and custom bolt and other corrections made and he had a 700 he had built for himself in the safe that he was willing to trade (he had just went 338 Lapua crazy). Brooks Barrel, Manners Stock, PT&G bolt with Timney Trigger. Needless to say I took a soaking on the trade but got the new gun for about $300 more than the fix on the TT was going to cost. Already shooting 5 in one hole at !00yds, less than 1″ at 200yds and 2″ at 300 yds with Fed Matchking with no cooling of barrel. Broke 10 clays pigeons set up at 400yds Sunday with 11 shots, also with matchking (not bad with an average variance of .3 tenths of a grain of powder in 10 rounds of matchking I pulled and checked, one round had a full grain more powder, no wonder you get a flyer occasionally). Needless to say I am a happy camper after nearly a year of Trials and Tribulations and this will probably be my last post here. Thanks for the ideas and moral support from everyone and good luck. I now move on from bitching to load building and shooting. I agree fully with Pete’s last statement – Remington customers deserve better for this kind of money.

  • pete k

    Ron:

    I am glad we have both been freed of the TT headache. Amen to this being the last posting. I sincerely hope anyone who reads my posts and still chooses to buy this product does so with the knowledge of what the downside of Remington can look like. At least they will have gone into the transaction forwarned.

  • AL

    I to was ready to re-barrel my tt. For almost two years I’ve tried at least six brands of match grade ammo, hundreds of rounds, could not get this rifle to group. I’m talking 2-4 in. at 100 and always getting worse as barrel heated up. You can imagine my disappointment. I paid well for a tack-driver. I should mention that I have a lupold mark 4 on it so(not the scope). Someone at the range suggested that I (put it away wet) clean it well and run a swab with bore solvent through it and put it away.(Dry bore before next use). I got a great deal on some Fed.168 Gold Metal match and headed to the range to try it out. Im not really sure which it was but this rifle will now consistently shoot 1/2in. groups at 100 and u
    nder 1in. at 150. AMAZING. This monster is particular about what it eats.
    Good Luck

  • Tyler

    Hey quick question, Model 700 target tactical, wanna replace the barrel with a Hart. What size and contuor can i get by with on the stock, want as heavy as possible.

  • pete k

    Tyler:

    I have a gunsmith in MT. who can fix your TT cheap ($250 to $350 )
    Might be cheaper than a new barrel

  • Slim

    Bought this gun a while back. Put a Leupold mark 4 4.5-14 x 40 on it with custom turrets from Korth Group in Calgary Alberta. this thing is an absolute beast! been shooting 1.5″ groups out to 500yrds with Nosler Custom Competition Match Grade (2700fps) (out of the box), once out past 500yrds they start opening up a bit but not many people need to shoot any further than that. love the 11.25 twist and the 5r rifling

  • Jim A

    Calling it quits with the crappy triangular barrel. Would print a good 3 shot group then it wanders off an inch or more for a few more shots, then wanders in a different direction. I tried just about everything I could and have concluded the barrel is CRAP!

    Changing over to a new REMAGE match barrel (savage style) from Mcree Precision. Put one on an old action and the thing just drills them in there. Even had a .434″ group at 300m. If I ever buy a another Remington again, it will be re-barrelled immediately.

  • Jim

    Slim,

    Congrats on a good shooter.
    Are you using a bipod or ?
    Is the barrel shooting the same hot and cold?
    Have you tryed Federal GMM in 168 or 175?

  • Jim

    … tried…

  • Cliff

    I’ve been pondering buying a quality, long range, target rifle and have been looking at either the Remington model 700 target tactical or the Kimber model 8400 tactical. I have read some of the comments and reviews about the Remington but does anybody have any gun time with the Kimber? Does anyone have any other rifles they would recommend? I’m trying not to spend more than $2000. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Please help me stay sane and chose something before I go crazy not being able to make up my mind! Thanks fellas.

  • Terry

    Cliff:

    I love my TT, it has never had a problem, and has introduced me to the joys of shooting 500+ yards. That said, I sometimes wish I’d spent a bunch more on the Les Baer version. It has a great barrel and action, comes standard with the bipod, bedded action, a super detachable magazine system, and HD scope-mount rail. (All of which I’ve added to my TT, except the barrel & action.)

    Oh well, now I’m saving for the Les Baer Ultimate Match AR-10 version. All of the above, lights-out accuracy, plus the convenience of a semi-auto!
    Like most older shooters, I have a safe full of retired rifles, kept around for sentimental reasons. Time to swap some of them out.

  • pete k

    Cliff:

    I have written here about my problems with Remington and their horrible design/manufacture/ assembly of the TT. Look at the Sako TRG22. I have this rifle in both 308 and 338 (TRG42). Out of the box .250 moa or better. A little more money than you may want to spend but an absolute shooter out of the box.
    If you look around you can probably find one for $2300 or so. Well worth the extra 300.
    THe TT is very sloppily assembled and manufatured which is why some of these rifles shoot and some just cause heartbreak. Horrible bedding, horrible machine work,por fit causes rounds to walk plus th barrel contour will not allow for the groups to stay put as the barrel heats.
    Don’t take a chance.

  • Cliff

    Pete,
    Thank for the info. It seem like it’s a coin flip whether you get a good one or not. Half the people love them and half hate them due to problems with the barrel and accuracy. I’m just not willing to take a $2000 chance in buying one so thanks again for sharing your unfortunate experience with it. Definitely will be looking at others including the Sako you recommended.

  • pete k

    cLIFF:

    The real problem with the TT is when you get a bad one Remington WILL NOT acknowedge it and WILL NOT fix it. After my second time sending the rifle back due to inaccuracy Remington told me that the spec on the rifle was 1.5 MOA and that if the rifle was within that accuracy wize they had satisfied their obligation to me. I have the paper from Remington with this info on it and would gladly send you a copy.

    You’re gunsmith can probably fix the problems if you getter a clunker but thats another $500 at least on top of the purchase price. Who needs that.

  • Cliff

    Yeah definitely don’t want to chance it for 2 grand, I’m not rich and don’t have enough to keep trying to get it fixed if I got a clunker. I live less than an hour from the Remington plant so I’d be on their doorstep demanding answers if it wasn’t what I thought it should be. Think I’m gonna shy away from the TT, seems like plenty of other goodies out there that will suit me just fine! Really liked the look of the gun but if the performance might not be there…..no thanks!

  • jim

    I shot my TT today for the first time. It took me nearly 2 years to find the time to get this rifle to the range but the results seem respectable. Since I was cleaning and shooting and cleaning… due to the barrel being new, I think it shot well. Bore sighted at 50 yards with one shot an inch high and moved to 100. A few shots and a few mil clicks later and I had a three shot group at 3/8 inch along the top edge of the bull. Zoomed in the scope from 12 to 24 power and hit two shots in the bull at 3/16 inch. Went to 200 yards at roughly 5 inches high. Then 2 shots an inch below the bull at 3/8 inch. Then shot 2 more along the top edge of the bull 3/8 inch. I understand that 2 and 3 shot groups are not a qualifier for consistent shooting, however, the gun did group and I really enjoyed shooting it. For now I will not complain.

    I was shooting Fed 168 GMM. Bushnell 6-24 FFP Elite 4200 Scope was mounted in Burris X treme rings on EGW heavy duty base. RO suggested using sand bags instead of bipod so sandbags it was. I did not clean between the two shot groups so that I could stay focused. 90 degree heat. No breeze. Bristol Shooting range in Southeast, WI. Art will get you on paper with the first shot.

    Also shot two rounds of Trap, and 50 rounds of 9mm. What a great day!

  • AL

    I just won an informal open centerfire match at my club with my TT. I shot a ten round 1in. group at 100yrds.centerX. No one else was even close(2doz.shooters). All the problem I had with mine turned out to be cleaning and ammo issues. It took me awile to figure this out, dont give up.

    • ARC

      I just purchased my Remington 700 Target Tactical .308 and would like to know what you would recommend as the best round to shoot from it.

  • David Jr.

    Pete,

    Can I get a copy of whatever paperwork you have from Remington? I have also had terrible luck with my rifle and am getting ready to send it to have a little work done and what them to know what to expect.

    Mine shoots pretty dead-on first shot and then progressively gets worse, usually high-and-to-right. Really wish I had seen this site before I bought this thing back in 2010. Worst thing is I hardly ever get to go shooting and when I do my factory “tactical precision” rifle completely lets me down. Should have saved up for a real precision rifle.

    I will report back with results after it comes back from the ‘smith.

  • pete kulak

    David:

    If your TT always walks high and right I would guess you have a bedding problem. Might be cheaper to fix than mine. Mine was a disaster area… everything had to be squared/straightened/trued. Mine shot two rounds in the same hole and the third round 1 inch in another direction.

    • Kurt T.

      My TT started out OK then got progressively worse. Finally I noticed barrel pitting near the muzzle (wish I had a borescope!). After contacting Remington, they replaced the barrel and receiver for free under warranty (even paid shipping both ways). Now the gun shoots ragged holes at 100 yds IF the handloads I feed it are loaded pretty hot. If I load to a max chamber pressure of around 59000 psi (per QuickLoad) it shoots lights out. If I cut the load down to around 56000 psi (similar to Federal GMM with 168 gr bullets) the groups open up (to around 1 inch). FYI – the SAAMI max for 308 Win is 62000 psi. I’m curious how long this barrel will last since I push it pretty hard.

      • pete k

        Kurt:

        Thats one I haven’t heard yet…. as far as pressures are concerned. I do shoot handloads but they are GMM 168 copies. 42 grains of RE15 w/ BR2 primers/Lapua Brass and SAAMI OAL. While I don’t have exact pressures my guess this load is around 55Kpsi

        Mike from Tac-Ops says that a 308 should shoot 10 to 15 K rounds before the barrel is done. I would think that your loads at 59K are not that far out of the ordinary to affect barrel life but it is Remington we are talking about so who knows?

  • http://GOOGLE Leo SULLIVAN

    I recently purchased a Remington Model 700 target tactical in .308 and I shot 1-inch groups at 200 yards. I’m sure that the rifle will shoot less than 1-moa with a more proficient shooter. Oh; I was shooting Hornady’s 165 Grain BTHP bullets. I am quite pleased with my purchase of this rifle and would recommend it to anyone that is looking for an accurate rifle. Regarding the Bell and Carlson stock

  • Jon

    Just got myself a TT and love it. At 100yds after sighting in I delivered 8 rounds within .5 MOA. Love it!

    Amazing rifle.

    • JimT

      Congratz on the new rifle. I have mine sighted in at 200 yards and it does very well. Took the stock off of it to case it up and fly to CA for some shooting. Put the stock on and it still shot sub MOA at 200 yards. Granted the scope is not attached to the stock and it should retain zero. The accuracy was sub MOA just right of target center due to wind from the left. I walked it out to 600 yards (100 yard steps) using a mil dot scope shooting at metal targets. Lot’s of fun.

  • cwhunk

    What is the most accurate and shooter friendly out of the box rifle below $2000

    • ptktci

      cwhunk:
      Look for sales on Sako TRG32 308. You can find them for around 2K. A much more reliable rifle than this TT POS. Many people here have had good luck with them. Mine was a disaster that Remington refused to do anything about. Did you know that the spec on the TT for accuracy is 1.5 MOA. Seriously!!!!!! Be wary of this rifle.
      PTKTCI