Remington Model 700 Target Tactical
Just when I though tactical bolt actions were going out of fashion and being replaced with autoloaders everyone seems to have launched a new model or line. Savege, Kimber, Ruger and now Remington with their Model 700 Target Tactical.
Model 700 Target Tactical. Click to expand.
The rifle is available chambered in .308 Win. and features:
* Triangular barrel
* X-Mark Pro Adjustable trigger (adjustable from 3-5 lbs).
* Tactical style bolt handle.
* 26″ barrel utilizing 5-R tactical target rifling as using on the M24 sniper rifles.
* Bell and Carlson Medalist Varmint/Tactical composite stock (notably not H-S Precision)
Action: Bolt/Short
Barrel Length: 26 inches
Overall Length: 45 3/4 inches
Avg. Weight: 11 3/4 lbs
Stock Material: Composite – Aramid Fiber
Stock Finish: OD Green/Black Webbed
Barrel Finish: Matte Blue
The MSRP is $1972.
I just won an informal open centerfire match at my club with my TT. I shot a ten round 1in. group at 100yrds.centerX. No one else was even close(2doz.shooters). All the problem I had with mine turned out to be cleaning and ammo issues. It took me awile to figure this out, dont give up.
I shot my TT today for the first time. It took me nearly 2 years to find the time to get this rifle to the range but the results seem respectable. Since I was cleaning and shooting and cleaning… due to the barrel being new, I think it shot well. Bore sighted at 50 yards with one shot an inch high and moved to 100. A few shots and a few mil clicks later and I had a three shot group at 3/8 inch along the top edge of the bull. Zoomed in the scope from 12 to 24 power and hit two shots in the bull at 3/16 inch. Went to 200 yards at roughly 5 inches high. Then 2 shots an inch below the bull at 3/8 inch. Then shot 2 more along the top edge of the bull 3/8 inch. I understand that 2 and 3 shot groups are not a qualifier for consistent shooting, however, the gun did group and I really enjoyed shooting it. For now I will not complain.
I was shooting Fed 168 GMM. Bushnell 6-24 FFP Elite 4200 Scope was mounted in Burris X treme rings on EGW heavy duty base. RO suggested using sand bags instead of bipod so sandbags it was. I did not clean between the two shot groups so that I could stay focused. 90 degree heat. No breeze. Bristol Shooting range in Southeast, WI. Art will get you on paper with the first shot.
Also shot two rounds of Trap, and 50 rounds of 9mm. What a great day!
Yeah definitely don’t want to chance it for 2 grand, I’m not rich and don’t have enough to keep trying to get it fixed if I got a clunker. I live less than an hour from the Remington plant so I’d be on their doorstep demanding answers if it wasn’t what I thought it should be. Think I’m gonna shy away from the TT, seems like plenty of other goodies out there that will suit me just fine! Really liked the look of the gun but if the performance might not be there…..no thanks!
cLIFF:
The real problem with the TT is when you get a bad one Remington WILL NOT acknowedge it and WILL NOT fix it. After my second time sending the rifle back due to inaccuracy Remington told me that the spec on the rifle was 1.5 MOA and that if the rifle was within that accuracy wize they had satisfied their obligation to me. I have the paper from Remington with this info on it and would gladly send you a copy.
You’re gunsmith can probably fix the problems if you getter a clunker but thats another $500 at least on top of the purchase price. Who needs that.
Pete,
Thank for the info. It seem like it’s a coin flip whether you get a good one or not. Half the people love them and half hate them due to problems with the barrel and accuracy. I’m just not willing to take a $2000 chance in buying one so thanks again for sharing your unfortunate experience with it. Definitely will be looking at others including the Sako you recommended.
Cliff:
I have written here about my problems with Remington and their horrible design/manufacture/ assembly of the TT. Look at the Sako TRG22. I have this rifle in both 308 and 338 (TRG42). Out of the box .250 moa or better. A little more money than you may want to spend but an absolute shooter out of the box.
If you look around you can probably find one for $2300 or so. Well worth the extra 300.
THe TT is very sloppily assembled and manufatured which is why some of these rifles shoot and some just cause heartbreak. Horrible bedding, horrible machine work,por fit causes rounds to walk plus th barrel contour will not allow for the groups to stay put as the barrel heats.
Don’t take a chance.
Cliff:
I love my TT, it has never had a problem, and has introduced me to the joys of shooting 500+ yards. That said, I sometimes wish I’d spent a bunch more on the Les Baer version. It has a great barrel and action, comes standard with the bipod, bedded action, a super detachable magazine system, and HD scope-mount rail. (All of which I’ve added to my TT, except the barrel & action.)
Oh well, now I’m saving for the Les Baer Ultimate Match AR-10 version. All of the above, lights-out accuracy, plus the convenience of a semi-auto!
Like most older shooters, I have a safe full of retired rifles, kept around for sentimental reasons. Time to swap some of them out.
I’ve been pondering buying a quality, long range, target rifle and have been looking at either the Remington model 700 target tactical or the Kimber model 8400 tactical. I have read some of the comments and reviews about the Remington but does anybody have any gun time with the Kimber? Does anyone have any other rifles they would recommend? I’m trying not to spend more than $2000. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Please help me stay sane and chose something before I go crazy not being able to make up my mind! Thanks fellas.
… tried…
Slim,
Congrats on a good shooter.
Are you using a bipod or ?
Is the barrel shooting the same hot and cold?
Have you tryed Federal GMM in 168 or 175?
Calling it quits with the crappy triangular barrel. Would print a good 3 shot group then it wanders off an inch or more for a few more shots, then wanders in a different direction. I tried just about everything I could and have concluded the barrel is CRAP!
Changing over to a new REMAGE match barrel (savage style) from Mcree Precision. Put one on an old action and the thing just drills them in there. Even had a .434″ group at 300m. If I ever buy a another Remington again, it will be re-barrelled immediately.
Bought this gun a while back. Put a Leupold mark 4 4.5-14 x 40 on it with custom turrets from Korth Group in Calgary Alberta. this thing is an absolute beast! been shooting 1.5″ groups out to 500yrds with Nosler Custom Competition Match Grade (2700fps) (out of the box), once out past 500yrds they start opening up a bit but not many people need to shoot any further than that. love the 11.25 twist and the 5r rifling
Tyler:
I have a gunsmith in MT. who can fix your TT cheap ($250 to $350 )
Might be cheaper than a new barrel
Hey quick question, Model 700 target tactical, wanna replace the barrel with a Hart. What size and contuor can i get by with on the stock, want as heavy as possible.
I to was ready to re-barrel my tt. For almost two years I’ve tried at least six brands of match grade ammo, hundreds of rounds, could not get this rifle to group. I’m talking 2-4 in. at 100 and always getting worse as barrel heated up. You can imagine my disappointment. I paid well for a tack-driver. I should mention that I have a lupold mark 4 on it so(not the scope). Someone at the range suggested that I (put it away wet) clean it well and run a swab with bore solvent through it and put it away.(Dry bore before next use). I got a great deal on some Fed.168 Gold Metal match and headed to the range to try it out. Im not really sure which it was but this rifle will now consistently shoot 1/2in. groups at 100 and u
nder 1in. at 150. AMAZING. This monster is particular about what it eats.
Good Luck
Ron:
I am glad we have both been freed of the TT headache. Amen to this being the last posting. I sincerely hope anyone who reads my posts and still chooses to buy this product does so with the knowledge of what the downside of Remington can look like. At least they will have gone into the transaction forwarned.
Pete k. I no longer have my TT Albatross around my neck. I went to a builder (Tooter Meredith in Rogersville Al.) to get a new barrel and custom bolt and other corrections made and he had a 700 he had built for himself in the safe that he was willing to trade (he had just went 338 Lapua crazy). Brooks Barrel, Manners Stock, PT&G bolt with Timney Trigger. Needless to say I took a soaking on the trade but got the new gun for about $300 more than the fix on the TT was going to cost. Already shooting 5 in one hole at !00yds, less than 1″ at 200yds and 2″ at 300 yds with Fed Matchking with no cooling of barrel. Broke 10 clays pigeons set up at 400yds Sunday with 11 shots, also with matchking (not bad with an average variance of .3 tenths of a grain of powder in 10 rounds of matchking I pulled and checked, one round had a full grain more powder, no wonder you get a flyer occasionally). Needless to say I am a happy camper after nearly a year of Trials and Tribulations and this will probably be my last post here. Thanks for the ideas and moral support from everyone and good luck. I now move on from bitching to load building and shooting. I agree fully with Pete’s last statement – Remington customers deserve better for this kind of money.
Send to Remington twice. They basically hand lapped the barrel and told me to drop dead.
Rebed stock as the original bedding looked as if it was done by a blind drunk ( I apologize in advance to all of those blind drunks who read this)
Shorten Crown
Tru-Up Bolt Face/Action Face
Set back barrel 1 turn as barrel face was no where near square
Lap Lugs
Recut Chamber (out of round so only recut what we had to)
Added 1lb pressure pad to barrel at stock for-end to stop groups from opening as the barrel heated up
This rifle is now a shooter although after 25 rounds the groups will start to drop about .15 MOA. A great (but heavy) long distance coyote gun.
THIS BARREL IS A POOR DESIGN PUT ON A RIFLE ASSEMBLED IN A SLIP SHOD FASHION BY REMINGTON. THE CONDITION OF THE MACHINED SURFACES WAS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO FIND IN A $500 RIFLE NOT A $1700 RIFLE.IT IS NOT A TARGET RIFLE AS THE BARREL CONTOUR IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN GROUPS AS THE BARREL HEATS. FOR A ONE OR TWO SHOT (TACTICAL OR HUNTING) SCENARIOS IT IS AN AMAZINGLY ACCURATE TACK DRIVER.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE RIFLES THAT SHOOT CONSISTENTLY OVER A 50 ROUND TEST (SHOT AS FAST AS YOU CAN CHAMBER THE ROUNDS….. NO COOLING IN BETWEEN SHOTS) YOU SHOULD ATTEND CHURCH AS YOU HAVE WITNESSED A MIRACLE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE THINKING OF BUYING ONE JUST ADD THE $500 DOLLARS WORTH OF EXTRAS INTO THE SELLING PRICE WHEN YOU GET ONE THAT IS A LEMON. LOOK AT THE ABOVE BLOG…. I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO GOT ONE THAT DIDNT SHOOT.
AT $2200 INCLUDING ALL OF THE ABOVE WORK THE SAKO TRG22 LOOKS BETTER AND BETTER.
REMINGTON DOES NOT DESERVE YOUR LOYALTY AND HARD EARNED MONEY WHEN THEY PRODUCE THIS KIND OF PRODUCT AND DO NOT STAND BEHIND IT.
Remington TT epilog:
I have chronicled my trials and tribulations (is that what TT stands for?) with the Remington TT. My TT now shoots .4 MOA AVG for 12 groups (not one lucky group)
Only had to make the following minor changes:
Mark:
Not familiar with the HS Precision M700 detachable magazine system; but I put the Kevin Wyatt (Wyatt’s Outdoors–Medford, OR) detachable magazine system in my TT, and couldn’t be more pleased. Total cost was about $250 for one magazine, either a 5 or 10 rounder. Easy to load mags and easy insertion and lock up in the rifle. Drops free.
Mounting the bottom metal takes a little careful fitting, sometimes a small shim is necessary under the front receiver assembly mounting bolt; or a little metal removal from the bolt shaft to keep it from contacting the barrel. Kevin did it in about 2 minutes while I watched. Zero malfunctions. Pounded the rifle hard at Thunder Ranch. Easy to load mags from prone, always had several ready to cycle.
Kevin also sells a dummy magazine block made of hard rubber, which allows single loading by simply dumping rounds into the chamber bay–much easier than dealing with the magazine follower and getting rounds cock-eyed more often than not.
Sorry to you who have been frustrated by this rifle’s performance–mine has been a dream to set-up and shoot. I will be anxious to start benching it this spring to see what it is really capable of.
Mark,
I just had a Seekins Precision AICS bottom metal installed on my TT.
Found that I had to drop the rear lug area about .150 or so in addition to opening up the mag well area. Needed to use a very long 5/8 endmill to clear the pistol grip.
Also, found that either the pillars were not in their proper place or the cut for the lug wasnt cut to spec. The screws used by the factory were a small diameter so no problem with the large inside diameter of the pillars. I had to relieve the front of the pillars due the the new bolts being larger in diameter.
You may or may not have to relieve some of the feed ramp in the center, as it hangs a bit over the front of the mags.
Prior to installing the bottom metal, I used the 3 round extension floorplate made by Arms Tech.
Hope this helps. Any questions, just ask.
I have a question for all you TT owners, and here it is:
Have any of you or do you know anyone that has changed there TT from a hinged floor plate, to a detachable mag rifle?
And if so,who did they go threw, and does any one know if the H S Persition’s .308 convertion for Remington will work in the TT?
Thanks for your advice!!
It all depends on how much scope weight you are going to mount. For just a regular size scope, you won’t need it.
If you are planning to put a long mount for a very large and heavy scope and/or NV, it is a good idea to go with 8-40. If you do go with 8-40, its not really a big deal for a gunsmith to do it for you.
Sorry the last question dose not make sense.
Is it really necessary ?
Big question.
When mounting the base for the scope, did anyone drill and re-tapped to use the 8-40 screws?
Do I need to do this ? Is it really need it?
Just relieved the barrel channel for about an inch – was getting contact on both sides for about 3/4″. Have had pretty good accuracy with it so far. Would just like to know that I am getting consistent vibrations throughout the firing cycle.
Jim A.
Yeah, I had the same thing on my TT. It looked like the barrel was really hammering the stock channel for about 1-1/4 inch on the left side. Took some material out of the stock channel but this did not help accuracy at all for me. It is worth a try for you though. No free floated barrel should ever touch the stock.
Has anyone noticed some rubbing in the barrel channel about an inch or so from the front end of the stock? There is evidence of rubbing on barrel as well. My only guess is that its from the barrel flex upon firing. The barrel is properly floated at rest.
It also shoots pretty well at 300 meters. Loads are 175 MK at around 2600fps.
I am thinking of removing material from the stock in that area.
Thoughts? Opinions?
Thanks
Terry
Thank you so much.
JV
Johnny:
Yep, contact Garth Kendig, gkendig@leupold.com; (503) 526-1400×427.
Johnny:
The 8.5-25 scope would probably give a slight advantage off a bench, I think the 6.5-20 is adequate for the field. The 50mm objective reticle is well worth the additional $100 or so over the 40mm when in acquisition mode and a high magnification setting.
Also consider the lighted reticle if you shoot low-light conditions, dark backgrounds, etc. Leupold Custom is awesome, their accessories (lens covers–Alumina magnetic–fit flush; extended shades (2.5-4″), Neoprene covers, and best of all, their handy mini magnetic boresighter–sticks to the outside of the muzzle–not inside.)
Mark:
I’m also a DRRC member–let’s get together and see if we can squeeze all we can out of these rifles….
Terry
Did you order from Leupold custom shop?
Jonny,
I think Terry is right on the money!! You need a scope that has some kind of tactical ajustments, and Leupold makes a great scope. If you go to Leupold custom shop they can make just about what you would want. That being said, when it comes to tactical if you don’t go with Leupold then maybe you should look at the Night Force scopes. Night Force scopes are made for police and for are military and lone range shooters, ( the people that shoot 1000 yards or more!!) It depends on what you want. Leupold custom scope will cost you around $1200.00 to $1400.00. A Night Force scope will run you around $1600.00 to $2000.00. I have both of the scopes I just mentioned, The four guys that just won the World Champianship long range shooting and the U.S.A. long range Champianship are members of my gun club, and they use Night Force scopes. Having a good gun is important, but having great glass for long range shooting is a must!!! I hope this helps.
Terry
Thank you so much. This is very helpful info.
I’m schedule to take a tactical rifle course.
Is there any reason to use 8.5 X 25 scope in this rifle?
JV
Johnny:
I bought a TT in August, mounted my first-ever scope (been a military match shooter for many years) and attended Thunder Ranch (Oregon) three weeks ago–nearly 400 rounds of .308 in three days! We shot silhouettes to 700 yards, and a small disc at 900 yards.
Mounted a Leupold Mk 4 6.5-20×50 M1 with a TMR (mil-dot) reticle, “mid” high bases. It worked beyond my wildest dreams. We fired a bunch of rounds to zero and establish a baseline “dope” for the bullet drop compensator turret, then proceeded to switch ranges back and forth to practice quick target acquisition and adjustments. I went from “0″ to pretty damn confident at all ranges in under a hundred rounds.
The .308, in a good rifle, is all I’ll ever need. Now I need to put a comparable scope on my M1A-SM, and with the TT, I’m good, for life.
Highly recommend getting a coach–either a retired shooter who will take you under his wing for an occasional lunch, or attend a class such as Thunder Ranch. It’ll be the crowning touch on your investment in rifle and glass.
Hello
I Just Purchased a TT.
I’m new to shooting rifles and I’m looking to buy a Leupold Mark 4 but don’t know if which one to get a 6.5-20 VS 8.5 x 25, I’m going to be doing mostly target shooting at 200, 300 and 600 yards hopefully 1000 yards if get good at it.
But I have no scope experiences thank you for the help.
JV
Jim
As you can see there are some folks that are very happy with their TT’s. Unfortunately it looks as if its a crap shoot as to the gun shooting .5 MOA or 1.5 MOA. If I were you I would shoot the gun and see what you have so that you can have an idea of what fair value might be. After all of the work I have done the rifle shoots .7 MOA which is really about what I paid for (approx $1700.00). I think Ron put it very well when he said if you get a shooter go to Vegas… your ship is in.
With regards to reloads I have tried Sierra 168,175,Nosler 180 BT, and Sierra 200 with loads of Varget/Tac/Re15. I have reached the conclusion that the rifle is what it is…. it will shoot 4 out of 5 shots of a group in one hole and then push one high or right or both 3/8 MOA. Its never the same round (any one of the rounds can be off) and it is not a heating issue as I can push 20 rounds thru the rifle in 10 minutes and the last group shoots like the first (after rebedding of course).
With regards to the quality of the rounds I reload I have a TRG 22 in 308 and a 42 in 338 that shoot my reloads in the .3MOA range consistently. So it aint like I don’t know how to pull a trigger. THis is basically what I told Remington when I sent the rifle back the second time. There response was that the gun shoot 7/16 when I could not get anything under 1 inch but sent them targets from ny TRG’s sub .3 MOA at 200 yards. Gee….. do you think they faked the results of their tests or did they just not shoot it at all and lie about it?
Hi guys,
I’m so sorry to here that so many people are having trouble with there TT. I must be one of the luckey ones, I got a box of Hornaday 155gr factory and shot a 5 shot group that was .5 inches. I bought Winchester brass, and winchester primers Sierra Match king B.T. 175gr bullets and started working up a load and found that with 44gr of IMR 4064 I’m able to shoot a 5 shot group that was .75 ( 3/4 of an inch ) at 200 yards!! I belong to a range out here in Oregon, and we can shoot out to 1000 yards! The name of the range is Douglas Ridge Rifle Club, and four of are members belong to Team Savage and they just won the World championship, and U.S.A. championship for long distance ( out to 1000 yards. ) Anyway after talking with them about my TT and using the Winchester produsts and the 175gr Sierra bullets ( they told me that with the 26 inch barrel and 1-11 1/4 twist the 175gr were the best bullets to use.) Needless I’m VERY PLEASED!! I was told I needed a heavier bullet for longer distance. And the Sierra Match King would give me the best groups once I found the right powder charge. I hope this info helps you guys that are trying to get better groups.
Have you identified what the problem is with the gun to where you can replace the defective part. What I mean is, do you need a different barrel, or ? to really fix the problem instead of trying to fix the existing barrel? Or is it not worth another $300 to $400 dollars to try and get the gun usable? Just trying to undrstand if this is a $1500 loss or just a $?? loss for new parts.
I bought a TT last year but because I am too busy I still have not shot it. I have seen some good reports on this blog about groupings and yet your experience is not thrilling. If I decide to sell it is it worth more since I have not shot it or do I take the same loss on it either way. So then why not at least try it out. What kind of a trade in can I expect form a gun shop if I upgrade to something that costs even more?
I am really thinking that one of the recent 308 assault rifles would be better for me since the only distance shooting I can find NW of Chicago is 200 yards at Bristol, and iron sights or an ACOG might be lot’s of fun (if I can find the time).
Robert:
After my gunswith adventure mine will shoot cold bore in the group. It will shoot handloads (that my TRG 22 and 42 shoot to less than .4 MOA) 3 rounds less than .5 amd then two rounds together .5 MOA away. It is consistently inconsistent.
I have no other rifle that fouls like this one. My TRG’s get Kroil every 50 or so rounds and continue to shoot one hole.
I have given up on this rifle and will use it for intermediate distance dispatch (300-500 yds) of coyotes. However it is neither a target rifle or a tactical rifle so perhaps it needs another name…..how about $1700 disappointment.
Ron:
The last time i sent the rifle to Remington they told me that it was shooting 7/16 MOA (off course there were no sample targets to prove this) and that my accuracy issues were that I was not using Remington Match ammo. They were probably right… I was using that junky Federal GN308M stuff.
When I got it to the gunsmith on Montana he found that the bolt hit the stock and the bedding looked as though it was done by a visually impaired drunk, and the crown was way to deep. For $200.00 the thing shoots .7 MOA but MUST be cleaned every 150 rounds. You can actually see copper beads in the barrel when it fouls.
The thing that really torqs me off is that Remington knew that the bedding was not even close to correct but let it go anyway. Before I rebedded my cold bore shot would 4 to 6 inches or higher at 100 yards. THis is not only a QC problem it is a corporate culture problem. “Lets screw the customer because we can”
In my obsessive attempt to get even with Remington I have succedded in talking 3 people out of buying a TT and into a TRG22.
I would love to buy American and will do so every chance I get. But I will not support corporations who think that their profits are more important than their moral behavior. Did you see the piece on CNN about the 700 trigger?? BTW I replace the XMark Pro with a Jewel BRV. Great trigger adjusts to 2 pounds but hits the action and must be fitted. Another piece of work my gunsith did.
I have had my 700 T/T for 4 months now. I have been trying different rounds from 140 to 180 gr. In my rifle, it likes the 180 gr the best. I do both bench and prone from 100 to 500 yards. I am very impressed with the cold bore shot. It is always dead on, the second shot is always in or touching the first. Now for the bad news, after the second shot all following shots will go .1 mil right and .2 mil down, consistently. It appears that once the barrel gets a little heat, it changes characteristics. Have not quite figured out why, I have fired over 300 rounds and have not had the fouling problem as described. Always cleans up nice. It definitely sounds like Remington has Quality Control issue in manufacturing this rifle. Overall I’m pretty pleased with mine, just need to workout a few bugs.
Pete:
This must have been one of the problems the Remington guy was dancing around on my first return. He wrote back that the barrel was fouled and was effecting accuracy. The break in process I used was 200 rounds – clean every 3 rounds for the first 30 rounds, clean every 5 rounds for the second 40 rounds, clean every 10 rounds for 50 and then clean every 20 until I shot the rest of the 200. After break in I was firing Fed Prem 168gr match which is not known for being a dirty round and cleaning every 50 rounds. My cleaning process is using a patch wrapped bronze brush and Remington 40X cleaner and after only firing about a 150 rounds I realized I had a problem Remington needed to address. Their first response was a fouled barrel. It sounds like these guns are picking up more copper than a mining dredge. What did they use to hammer forge this barrel a 16lb slegde and a 30 penny nail? Of course if you are only after 1.5″ moa at 100 yards that does take a lot of pressure off of your quality control department.
An update on the TT
Every 150 or so rounds the barrel must be stripped because it fouls with copper. Groups go from .7 to 1.25 MOA in about 10 rounds. Strip it with copper solvent, fire about 25 rounds and your as good as new.
Remington says that the 5R rifling is virtually impervious to copper fouling. I wonder if the guys who write the copy for the adds have ever even seen one of these piles of scrap.
Ron:
I share your pain. I had mine rebedded and it shoots 180 grain Nosler Partions about .65 MOA with heads about .002 from the rifling. I went through the same song and dance with two trips to remington also. Found a good gunsmith and he “fixed” the problem.
After over 400 rounds through my TT (200 plus were Handloads) and two trips back to Remington, I finally gave up and have sent it out for a new barrel. I tried all the suggestions I got on this site and when I finally got a gauge to check bullet seating I found my chamber was cut at 2.993″ when all hand loading guides recommend 2.8 for overall length (a friend of mine suggested trying a few 30.06 rounds). I did load and shoot some at this length although there was not a whole lot of bullet inside the case and they would not feed from the magazine. It made no difference. I wouldn’t have been so disapointed if this were a $500 dollar gun. If you buy one and it shoots head to Vegas your ship is in.
Just got my TT back from the gunsmith…. after rebedding the stock, turning the crown down and fixing the pillar bedding arrangement it is beginning to shoot.
6 months worth of aggrevation when I could have bought a TRG22 for a little more money and had a shooter out of the box.
The only way I touch remington action is if the person supplying it to me gaurantees accuracy. That way all of this non-sense is their problem and not mine.
i got a remington m700LH iv had it for some time now its a vary impresive rifle being is iv made over hafe a dozen 800yrd shots with it and a cople 1000yrd shots im one for long range shots close range dosent have the challeng that i look for. im shooting a M700LH .243 with bull barrle and a 3x9x40 scope with a bipod.i took it to a shooting comp. in N.D. we were shooting 5rounds at 300&500yrds with no bipod i shot all 10 rounds in under 45sec.
Purchased a TT in July. Added a Leupold 6.5-20×50 Mk4 M1/TMR, Harris 9-13 tilting bipod, and Wyatt’s Outdoors bottom metal. (Nice fit & function!!–be sure to get the optional single feed hard plastic magazine; the 5 and 10 round detachable magazines work very well. $250 w/1×5-or-10 rounder.)
Garth Kendig at Leupold Custom Shop fitted and zero’ed the scope, and custom cut a 168g turret. After 40+ years of NM M1′s, M1A SM’s, and Win M70 IMT’s, I have never owned a rifle as consistently accurate as this. I will be glass bedding parts of the metal stock chassis (similar to the Les Baer version) which should stabilize potential barrel heating differential.
Shoots <1/2 moa with 168g Federal GMM. Haven't fired it over 500y so far, but will take it to 800y when I can score some 175g's.
If you need a good M700 gunsmith to tidy up all of the potential of this rifle–Kevin Wyatt, in Medford, OR–(Wyatt's Outdoors website) is a pro.
This is one accurate, affordable, and fun to shoot weapon. Now I want one in .300WM… or .338 Lapua.
Beware of the Target Tactical:
After returning my TT to Remington twice I got a real shocker. My TT POS shoots 1+ MOA. Remington tesll me that the spec on this rifle is 1.5 MOA and anything under that is ok as far as they are concerned.
Their marketing says “tack driving accuracy”. Since when is that 1.5 MOA.
DO NOT BUY ONE OF THESE UNLESS , LIKE DIRTY HARRY, YOU ARE FEELING LUCKY TODAY. IF YOU GET A GOOD ONE (.5 MOA) GREAT…. IF YOU GET A +1.00MOA YOU ARE SCREWED AND IT WILL BECOME A NEW BARREL PROJECT.
Hi Dan; Most of all the target tactical Remington rifles that I know of do not come with sights on them. that being said, they are drilled and taped for scopes. If you are going to use the rifle for hunting you can put almost any good scope on it and the rifle should do just fine. If you want to shoot long range, I would put a tactical scope on it. I use Leupold 3.5 x12 and Bushnell 4200 3×9 for hunting, they both work great. I like the Leupold the best becuse I live in Oregon about 20 miles from the Leuopold factory so if I have a problem with the scope it’s easy for me to get it fixed. If you are going to use the Rem. target tactical 700 for lone range shooting or as a sniper style of rifle, I would go with a scope from Leupold custom shope or with Nightfroce. I hope this helps, let us on the blog know.
CAN SOME ONE HELP ME. I AM LOOKING TO GET A.REMINGTON 700 TACTICAL TARGET WHAT DO YOU THINK. CAN YOU PUT A SCOPE ON IT OR DO YOU. NEAD ONE .JUST STARING OUT
i set mine 18 th. off the lands and i load a hot round for the 175 SMK. be real carefull of doing any thing non standard. I had a friend blow up a real nice M1A NM by not knowing what he was doing with a reloader. Look for over pressure. never shoot hot loads in a gas gun. My Green gun actions is a rem 78 i had built. You may have to single load each roud.
best of luck
rick
Ive been trying out SMK 175, Lapua brass, Federal Match Primers, and Varget. Just wondering if anyone had advice on seating depth off the lands.
For hunting the minute of moose works great and is that was all i was going to do i would go with a low power scope and a big field of view. zero the rifle at say 200 or 250 yards do some simple math for hold overs and go hunting. I use a ziess 3×9 with a 50 mm bell. knobs are low and once set i leave them with the cover on.
but when i am shooting minute of angle shoot. All of that goes out the door and i move to a mill dot scope. I learned a long time ago, you do not pay for power, you pay for glass. Good clear, sharp glass cost. then we also get into repeatability of settings of the scope and that cost too. Early in the morning most any scope will do, but when the mirage comes up now its back to the glass. I have several night force and ziesse scopes and both are great. nf are 12 X 42 and the z’s are 3×9 and 6×20 all have target knobs. if i was going to go with a single scope, i would suggest going with a rail system, and a mil dot scope of good glass. I use the NF rails on all of my rifles with the 20 moa. I then mount my scope and shim it so as my 100 yard zero is about 2 or so moa up from dead bottom. with the NF i have 40 moa up and that takes me out to 900 meters with a 308 and a serria 175 MK loaded hot. for any more i use the mill dot. I have to lower my settings to do the mildot but its no problems. If you want to test your rig out do a f class match. you may also do a XTC as we shoot out to 600 yards in that match you will be shooting against people with ar15s and iron sights but they may do a lot better than you think. At our matches we have people shoot the xtc with a scope and have never had any one win the match. Some have come near but. side note, here in NC we can now use crosse bows for deer. good luck on the hunt.
rick
The knobs on the Bushnell are tight enough that they shouldn’t change even if dragged across something(not to say they are too tight just tight enough) and they way the knobs are set up it would be clear it you had accidentally turned them. As far as adjusting it in the field sure its faster to just hold off the appropriate amount but I think we would all agree that dialing in the right correction on the scope is more accurate. But since the scope has a mil dot reticule, you can find a chart that shows you the approximate distance the dots could be used as hold offs or make a day at the range and experiment until you find what dots could be used for suitable hold overs. Just type in mil dot holdover on google and you should get a wealth of knowledge.
Thank you Mark and Brenden. I appreciate it.
Today, I looked through a Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24×40 that I really liked. It seems to fit the bill for my goals and wasn’t as bulky as the X50. I own a Leupold VX-II and the glass seems pretty darn close. Thoughts?
Also, since I have never owned a tactical scope, I wonder, do tactical knobs present any challenges I should adjust for while in the field? When folks are deer hunting, do they really click up the required amount to bring their cross hairs up on the target? It seems that’s the goal. I have always just adjusted my site picture and used windage based on distance and wind… I’m kinda resistant to change because I do not want to get burned when a really really good buck comes along.
To ToddP; There are a lot of good scopes out there, but after talking to the people at Leupold I’m going to go to a Leupold vari x 4 6×24 or a Night Force 8×32 tactical scope. the Leupold has about 100 moa of elevation and 65 moa windage, and the Night Force has about 65oma of elevation and 45moa of windage both are good scopes but if you do not know how to ajust for wind buy a cd called milldot master you can get it on line for about $30.00. The scopes I was talking about will cost around $800.00 to $1300.00. I hope this helps.
I’ve been using a Bushnell 4200 6-24×50 power. Good scope very repeatable, clicks seem to be right on and if you use Burris xtr rings you can use the low rings and get the scope slung pretty low.(I bought the medium rings and the scope is a tad too high, going to by some low rings when I can talk myself into spending more money on something that already works.) The scope has a mil dot reticule that is accurate at 12 power so at 6 power the measurements are double and at 24 power the measurements are halved so you cant mill pretty accurately. The glass seems good, although honestly I’ve never even looked through any real high dollar scopes, but I shoot 600 yards with it frequently and have no problem seeing the spotter disk and have no clarity issues. All in all a good scope got mine off ebay for about $500.
I just purchased a TT and desire good optics. My primary use is hunting for AZ Coues Deer and I routinely take shots between 400-600 range. What sort of scope would you recommend that is rugged, yet will also perform well at the range for longer shots? I have never had a tactical scope before and appreciate your inputs. My price range is flexible. I do not want to go cheap and later upgrade. A good mid-level, well performing scope would be best.
This has been a fantastic blog! Thanks all.
I’m not sure I know the difference between models but if it helps I bought it from Accushot about a month ago. And I agree that a podlock helps on the Harris but accushot should make some sort of lock like the podlock for the Atlas, I might see if I can fashion one out of a Harris podlock or something else, but I’m not real excited about taking apart my brand new $220 bipod.
Like I said even with these Problems I feel this bipod is a major improvement over the Harris design. Its stronger, lighter, has greater range of height and angle adjustments. The interchangeable feet are a great feature. I like the feet that come with it they have far more grip than Harris feet.
Brenden,
Is your Atlas the new V8 model?
To fix the issue you’re talking about with the tilt adjustment on the Harris, get a pod lock http://t-nuts.com/index.php?cPath=73&osCsid=80bdd15410083e04c17fa6e780f0ea37
I recently bought an atlas bipod. Great rig. A couple of problems though. 1 since it operates on a ball joint so not only does it pan and tilt, but it also rocks forward and backward which isn’t really a major issue, just bothersome. 2 the lock ring is alot like the one on the back of a harris swivel model bipod, meaning that you can’t fully lock down the bipod using just your fingers. 3 if you pan to far from center while the legs are only extended 45 degrees down (instead of the full 90 degrees down) the rifle becomes unstable and falls over. Other than these three problems, 2 of which (#1) only seem to be teething issues while I’m switching from a harris bipod, the bipod is great and offers a greater range of veratility in how one uses their bipod. And the company even sells an adapter to attach the bipod to the sling swivel rail on the bottom of the 700 Target Tactical(which is needed because the bipod mounts to 1913 rails instead of sling swivels. I’ve shot my best group of .33 inches with this rifle on this bipod.
Thanks Heath; I’ll do that. I’m going to check out Harris bipods as well.
go to sinclair int. they hae a super one that fold up real nice. Cost a lot but.
good to hear the rifle is doing so well.
rick
Mark, check out the Atlas bipod.
Well I just got back from the range, I put a Leupold Vari X III 3×9 scope on the rifle for now, just so I could try some loads. My friend and I tryed some of his reloads 175 match king with 42.2 grains of IMR 4064 2680fps and at 100 yards I was able to shoot 1/4 to 1/2 moa, from the bench.I was able to shoot a 3 shot group dime size, and a 8 shot group about a nickel size. I LOVE THIS GUN!!!! I got it for $1500.00 brand new, my buddy has a Remington model 700 in a MacMillon stock with a varmit barrel and can’t do better than 1/2 to 3/4 moa with his rifle, and his rilfe was custom built for him and cost him a lot more than mine did!! I can’t wait till I get my Night Force 12×42 scope and shoot it at a longer range.I also need to get a bi-pod does any body have any idea’s on what they would recommend?
Just got my target tactical rifle, I live in Oregon and belong to a gun club that has a 1000 yard range. Don’t have a scope on in yet, only had the rifle for 3 days, I have shot about 40 rounds to help break in the barrel cleaning the rifle after each round. ( it took me about 6 hours) Alot of club members saw the rifle and liked it. 4 of are club members are on the USA shooting team. ( team savage ) They told me I should use a 175 gr Match King. I’m going to use a night force scope 8×42, should be ok out to 1000 yards.
After reading the stats on that Les Baer TR that was on the cover of American Rifleman I found out that Wyatt”s outdoors has a drop mag. system that is a drop in for the Rem.TT for about 200.00. This seems to me to be the way to go, short actions are a pain to load. Just picked up a Bushmaster Varm. after I put some glass on it, I will change out my bott. for this unit. Has anyone else done this yet?
AL
I purchased my Remington Target Tactical a month ago and hadn’t been able to shoot it past 200 yards until last weekend. Where my folks live they have a range that is 200,300,385, and 500 meters, so dad and i took it out to the range and tried it out. The load I was shooting is the same load that I use in my Savage 10 Tactical. It consists of 43 grains of RL-15 behind a 168 Sierra M.K. The weather wasn’t real cooperative it was kind of misty/raining and had about a 3-5mph wind. The groups were all 3 shot groups. My 200 meter group was right at 1/2″(2 were dang near in one hole), the 300 meter group was right at 1.5″, 385 meters was 2.2″ and at 500 meters I had a 2.7″ group.(2 shots were about .5″ apart and the third opened it up to 2.7) Dad was watching the wind indicators at the targets while I was watching them up close. I would try to send them when the indicators were about the same. The scope that is on my rifle is a Leupold Vari-X III LR 6.5-20×50 with the Leupold dot and it is sitting in 30mm Leupold rings and a one piece Leupold base. Dad and I were both really impressed with the performance of the rifle and I didn’t have one problem with anything on the rifle.
Reread my comment, I was speaking at a range of 1000 yards. Groups arent tight enough and to much lost velocity to guarentee a clean kill on an animal of approx 200 lbs plus. At 800 yards, groups are at 4 to 5 inches. That will be more than accurate to take out even a small animal.
Robert,
Your comments confuse me. You say it’s capable of taking a coyote at 800 yards (why???) but that it’s not capable of taking deer or antelope which are larger animals and provide a larger target to hit. Can you explain?
I recently purchase this rifle and have own serveral different long range rifle from Savage to Custom made. For the money this weapon is great. I have tried ammo from 140 gr SP to 180 SP Federal and 150 FMJ Military grade. This rifle doesn’t really like anything less the 150 gr out to 300 yards. Beyond 300 yards I have determined, from a factory load stand point, you MUST use a 180gr bullet. At 500 yards im getting a consistent 2.5″ group, little to no wind factor. At 1000 yards it a push, not a very good group at all. If you are hunting with this weapon you will diffentely be able to put a kill shoot on an Elk or Moose, but trying to shoot a Whitetail or an Antelope it will be a hit or miss situation and I would not recommend. At 800 yeards this thing can take down a coyote with no problem what so every. I have noticed that when shoot competition with this rifle the barrel does heat up and doesn’t seem to dissapate the heat as well as Remington suggests. If you are looking for a hunting rifle for long ranges, this rifle has one of the best cold bore shoots I’ve ever since. The action is smooth and tight, chambers rounds with a problem, so no need to take your eye of the target when cycling another round. I agree with the earlier statement that this rifle carries its weight VERY well. I mounted a Millet 6-24×56 Long Range scope on my and this scope is also around the $500 mark. I have the .1moa turretts and have had not problem with this scope returning to zero. This scope also comes with a sun shade, which is very helpful for those long days in the field and the glaring sun. The only issue that I have seem with this scope is that when you zoom to 25 power it does get a litlle fussy, but back it off to 24 power and your good to go. This scope also have 140 moa without the need for a 15moa or 20moa base in order to reach out to 1000 yards. All in all this rifle should have be name the Remington 700 Varmint/Tactical.
I am getting rid of the 308 police tac. to a fr