Colt / Umarex M4 Carbine .22 Tactical Rimfire AR-15
Colt and Umarex have teamed up to produce the Colt M4 .22 Tactical Rimfire. The is probably the only real “Colt M4″ you will ever be allowed to own!
I am not 100% sure they are in fact AR-15s. UMAREX USA uses well known brand-names such as Beretta, Ruger and Walther to sell their airguns. This could easily be a AR-15 patterned rifle much like the .22 GSG MP5 or GSG AK.
There will be four different models.
Colt M4 Carbine
* 16″ Barrel
* M4 collapsible style stock
* A4 flat top upper recoever
* detachable carry handle
* A2 flash hider
* A2 pistol grip
* 30 round magazine
* Weight: 5.95 lbs
Colt M4 OPS (includes the following extras):
* Rear BUIS (Backup iron sight)
* Free floated aluminum picatinny rail handguard
Colt M16 (includes the following extras):
* 20″ barrel
Colt M16 SPR (includes the following extras):
* 20″ barrel
* Free floated aluminum picatinny rail handguard
* Flip up read and front sights
Fake suppressors will also be available as seen in the above photo.
It will be officially announced at SHOT Show 2009.
Hat Tip: OnPointFirearms
Good marketing when they said “COLT M4″. It’s an outright lie. I wounder what the action for the .22lr will be?
I have a Ceiner .22lr conversion kit on one of my AR15 build. My cousin bought four Spike .22lr upper, three of which sold to our gun club members. Both use the Max Atchisson .22lr design.
I was thinking about adding a folding stock to one of my strip lower because the Atchission doesn’t use a gas system. It is a recoil base action so there is no need for a buffer tube.
There are a number of .22lr upper and conversion kit for the AR15. The demand for .22lr AR15 outstrip the supplies chain. Very long waiting list.
BTW don’t buy the Ceiner kit directly from the manufacture. You’re not going to get it for sometime.
Here is the link to the Spike .22lr upper.
http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=41_22&products_id=116
Steve,
the M4 isn’t all that great, I have carried them for years and would rather have the M1A SOCOM 16, or a H&K 416.
V/R
C_S
It would be a breath of fresh air to get a cheaper .22lr upper than what Spike’s charges. Hell forget about getting a ceiner kit from ceiner, he’s an asshole and a bad businessman.
Get the CZ v-22 if you want a cheap .22lr upper. They are around $250.
Ceiner isn’t the best person to deal with. That’s why you don’t buy it directly from him. Get it from an online store.
There are a number of .22lr ar15 manufactures. Spike is desired because they make their upper compact and offer SBR version of it.
nice looking rifle. if the price isnt to high. i would definitly be interested in finding out more about it! i wonder how long before it is going to be in stores?
jdunn, where are all those cz v22’s you speak of? from what i’ve found they haven’t been made/imported in a while. other than the upper on a sun devil lower that is on GB (and has been forever) i haven’t seen a single one for sale. i’d definitely buy one if i could find one.
as for the colt/umarex m4, i’ll wait till after it, the s&w m&p 15-22, and the sig 522 come out. let the jones’s go out and test them all. then buy the one which is working the best. let’s face it, these likely won’t be the shooters that the dedicated uppers (with the right twist) are, but all 3 look like a lot of fun.
it looks cool, i saw it at a g.a.t. guns factory shoot and the guy said it was a semi auto gun
Is this gun going to be non-restricted in Canada…anyone know?
Yes the Non-Restricted permits have been approved for the new Clot .22 M4
prices are not confirmed yet, they say anywhere from $600- $1100… so that is a big range at the moment, more details will come closer to the release date.
Stay Tuned !
Umarex has posted a website for the Colt .22 Rimfires: colt22rimfire.com.
Interesting … it seems this will be a better shooter than the Sig 522, since the Sig 522’s twist rate is 1 in 7″ (inappropriate for .22lr), while these M4’s all use 1 in 13.75″.
Scratch that last comment. The site I was looking at for Sig had the twist rate wrong. Sig 522 is 1 in 16″. Sorry.
These are dedicated 22’s. The uppers will not fit on an AR lower. I played with them in KY and they feel the same as the real deal when it comes to the size and weight. The S&W is a polymer frame gun, even the quadrail is polymer. Conversions for AR uppers usually don’t work great due to the bore being larger than a 22lr needs. Umarex USA is a couple of blocks away from my shop, and they have done their research. As a matter of fact Walther actually makes the gun.
I just bought this gun and it is excellent…the quality unlike what others have said..not flimsy whatsoever….it’s made tough but the metal is light. Performance is wonderful…really accurate and reliable.
I just got the tactical carbine myself. The rifle is very solid and shoots quite accurately. I mounted a Leupold 1×14 Prismatic sight, and it is very accurate. The pistol grip is non-standard, even though it looks like it might be. I pulled off the wobbly butt stock and replaced it with a MagPul CTR. Strangely, the standard M4 carbine was being offered at the same price as the tactical M4 carbine. I expected to pay at least $100 more for the quad rails w/covers, but they were both $595, making my purchase a no-brainer. It shot Winchester value-pack bulk ammo just fine, but didn’t care too much for Remington value-pack bulk ammo. I will most likely run CCI ammo through it from now on.
I have just ordered the standard m4 online for $599. The next day I noticed that the ops version had gone on sale for cheaper! I believe it was only $589! At the time I placed my order it was about $650. Anyway. Does any one know what the threading is on the barrel of the standard version? I assume that it is threaded at 1/2×28 to accept the muzzle break that it comes with (or is it just for looks?)
Not sure what the threading is, but the muzzle brake is removable. A few oddities I noticed:
1) The very basic pistol grip is proprietary, with two holes (one for a pass-thru pin from the trigger group, the other — toward the rear — to mount the Allen screw). Standard AR grip options will NOT work as their hole(s) does not line up at all with where the screw mount would need to be. I did quite a bit of modification and drilling to get a Hogue grip mounted (which was worth the effort). Shame they couldn’t have made that part STANDARD!
2) The recoil buffer tube, although mil-spec diameter, does NOT thread into the receiver the way a standard AR does. Instead, the castle nut is mostly for looks, because that tube mount to the receiver via an Allen screw that can only be accessed by removing the end-cap at the end of the tube. Bottom line, you can’t change tubes out, but you CAN replace the 5-position butt-stock with a mil-spec after-market version. I first tried the CAA version which went on easy, but was WAY too wobbly when fully extended. I then went to the Mag-Pul CTR which has the lock-down lever, which fit much better, and took the wobble out.
3) Very impressed with the accuracy. The free-floated barrel of the “tactical” version (quad rails) certainly lends to this.
4) Trigger pull is rather heavy, but consistent with little play or over-travel. Didn’t take long to get used to it.
5) I wish there was a way to lock the bolt open (other than inserting an empty mag then pulling back the charging handle). The lever that would normally do this on an AR, is also on this rifle, but it is cosmetic and non-functional. Hmmm…
All in all, I am pleased with this rifle, and proud to finally own at least SOME type of Colt AR. I hope you find these observations useful.
Ed, did you get the email I sent you?
I understand this is going to be California legal withthe 10 round clip. Talking with Colt the lower id dedicated to a 22lr and cannot be changed out to a .556 so there should not be any issues in California. As you know., AR-15’s (all) are illegal unless you have a bullet button on the lower assembly. I just want a tactical rifle. This is a rimfire and shouldn’t have any issues due to the “Ban” list…. Any coments on this ???
Anybody else have trouble with the magazine falling out the bottom when you pull the trigger? I bought one of these Colt/Umarex AR looking .22 M4 Ops rimfire rifles at a gun show last week, paid $599. The first time I went to fire it, the mag shot out the bottom and hit the floor. I tried it again with the same result. After checking it closer, the magazine was not locking in, and the cartridge was actually being struck on the side by the firing pin (yikes). I called Umarex and they ae sending me another mag release button to see if that will fix the problem. I’m curious if anyone else had this problem, or am I the lucky one?
Anyone having extraction issues. One of mine, carbine, does not grab the spent reliably, the rifle never misses an extraction.
Has anyone figured out how to disassemble the receiver?
I could fix the extractor if I could figure out how to do a takedown.
Tim
My Mags all seem to fit snug with a semi forcefull snap into the reciever. Im afraid you got a bad one..
CLEANING: \
How is the besy way to clean the bolt and breach?? It doesnt want to come apart any futher after the upper is dissconnected. The Manual says to always start from the breach???
I’m using a .22 bore snake , it works,, and wondering if im missing something else or better?
In responce to steve’s comment. “The first time I went to fire it, the mag shot out the bottom and hit the floor. “
Like any AR when you insert the mag, give it a firm tap from the bottom to ensure the mag is seated. This one seems to need a little firmer tap than normal. I got a few minor complaints. The rear retaining pen is way to tight, have to use dowl and hammer to get it out, and I cant figure out how to take it down to clean the chamber. Anyone out there got a take down file for it? We had a blast with the little rifle at the river yesterday. I have three AR’s. I shoot an AR in 308 by DPMS, girlfriend shoots the 223 by rock river, and I got this colt 22 for my ten yr old daughter. I’m happy with my puchase. Now if I could just take it apart to clean it. Any Help?
I purchased an ops version in June 2009. Fantastic plinker. Put a $75 sight mark laser/holo sight and it is great. Hates Remington ammo but Winchester and Federal bulk ammo do well. The bolt can be locked open by reaching up in the mag well with a finger, but the bolt release is just for show. 1″ patterns are easy at 40 yrds with halo sight.3″ with laser. Careful if you break it down…the fake bolt release and “bumper” (bolt stop) will fall out. Breaking down further than just removing the upper is pretty complex. The barrel is a light weight tube that sits inside the heavy external barrel. It is held in place by the flash threads on the flash supressor or compensator. The good thing is that replacement barrels are cheap and you should keep one handy if you blow a lot of 30 rnd clips. The action seems cheap and loose, but is accurate and reliable and it holds up well. We have run 8500 rounds thru it so far without problem, but it likes to be field cleaned and oiled in the after two boxes (1100 rounds). We keep a snake, Qtips, bore cleaner and oil in the tactical case ($29 at Gander Mountain). Buy a couple of spare mags (35.00 ea) and go have a ball. I wanted an AR-15 but couldn’t justify the ammo cost. This thing is more fun and costs pennies a round. Shooting at night with the laser is better than sex (almost). I have 4 boys ages 10 to 16 and we all love this toy. Highly recomended for the $550 price the get on the internet. Have fun!
Picked mine up for $500 NIB off of GB. Been a great little plinker. By no means should this rifle be compared to an AR other than appearance. The fun that can be had adding options from the AR world are unlimited. My AR22 M4 has worked great right out of the box. I picked up a couple of extra mags and have been having a blast with it. I have left owning the real AR’s to my friends and love annoying them with the look a likes. My Safir T14 has been well accepted and I believe that in time they will come to like the colt M4, once they get their noses bent back in place.
Follow up on my June 24th question about anyone having their mag fall out of the bottom. Colt (Umarax) sent me a new mag release assembly at no charge. I installed it and still could not get the mag to grab. I called Umarex, they sent me a call tag to send my Colt M4 Opts .22LR in for warranty repair. Waiting to see what they find. I saw one at a show last weekend and tried it out….the mag snapped in ok (nothing like an AR feels, but it snapped in). I’ll report how my rifle is repaired.
A video was just posted on field stripping it:
http://www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=videos
Is the trigger similar to real AR-15s? I have a RUGER 10/22 with the Arch Angel conversion and I really like it. But it only looks like an AR (kind of) it still doesn’t feel like one when shooting and I want to get the most out of my trigger time.
So my question: is the travel, creep, weight, break and reset feel like a GI trigger?
Howdy Gerod — In my opinion the trigger feels similar to a standard issue AR trigger. It seemed a little heavy at first, but has lightened up a bit after extensive use and additional lubrication. I too, have a 10/22 w/Arch Angel conversion, and I agree that its feel is way different than an AR, or this Colt 22.
Steve:
I also had problems with the magazine catch. The mag stays in and the rifle shoots fine, but even the slightest pull on the mag and it comes right out. Tried the other 2 mags I have and same thing. Had my gunsmith look at it said to get a new mag catch. Called UMAREX this morning they said they have had a few of these issues and are sending me a new mag catch. Hopefully this fixes the problem unlike the new one you got Steve and I dont have to resort to sending the rifle in and wasting time my time.
Other than the mag catch issue the rifle has been awesome. First few hundred rounds I had about 5 FTF from light firing pin strikes and one stove pipe, but the past 500 or so rounds have had no issues. So far it shoots anything I put in it from CCI mini mags, Federal Game shok, and federal bulk. Put a holo-red dot and its accurate all day long.
Steve: keep us updated as far as turn around time with the warranty repair. this will be a good test of UMAREX’s warranty and customer service capabilities. Hope they are prepared for dealing with gun owners and not their regular customers who are probably 10 year old kids that purchase their airsoft guns.
Thanks Ed! I think I have to get one. I have gotten really excited about 10/22 conversions. I think have enough people here to start a support group for those of us who have ripped our hair out because of the cinere kit.
“Hi my name is Gerod”
“Hi Gerod”
“I have been cinere kit free for 3 months now and I just don’t want to put myself out there just to get hurt again.” ;,(
just kidding. I put in my order today with scottsdale gun club and will report shortly.
BTW scottsdale gun club said that they got about 30 in a week ago and had to send them all back. They were broken in half, things missing, etc. and they had to give refunds to another dozen or so customers who bought them.
Update on my mag falling out while plinking: I sent my Colt M4 Opts version .22LR in to be checked out (after they sent me a new mag catch and it didn’t solve the problem). After only about a week turn around, I received my Colt back today and the mag grabs nicely. It looks like they did some gunsmithing as opposed to replacing parts. Either way, the mag holds nicely. Going to the range tomorrow to finally fire my new toy. Umarex was quick and kind in handling my situation. My hat is off to them! I didn’t know what to expect, as I have never had a problem with a new pistol or long gun EVER.
Jon-I think Umarex is prepared. They are ready to handle warranty situations, at least in my case. Thanks Umarex!
“Nothing is better than the service behind it”. I’m impressed with the service I received from Umarex.
I just purchased the colt m4 22lr, and so far I really like it. It seems to be the most accurate 22 cal. rife I have ever shot. I matched it with a bushnell 1×32 red dot scope that really looks go on the gun and at 25 steps will hit the same hole every shot. Next step will be to shot at longer ranges. Only shot around 200 shots so far but really like it so far.
Just got the NEW Colt .22LR …made the mistake of putting Remington ammo through….lotsa problems….switched to Winchestor…as fast as you can pull the trigger it cycles! Loving it….
How do the rail covers come off….have the M4 OPS version…
Thanks!
Howdy Doc,
Push down hard on the steel spring clip and slide forward at the same time, and the rail covers will come off. They are clones of the Knights Armament design, and are every bit as nice. I put a standard ladder rail cover on my top rails, after installing my optic.
Remington bulk didn’t work well for me either, or anyone else that I had heard from. Just like you, absolutely no problems on Winchester bulk, or Winchester up-scale, or any CCI versions that I have tried.
Enjoy!
Update:
Just received the new mag release from Umarex, installed it, and shazam the mags stay in! Thanks Umarex for resolving my issue in a timely, professional manner.
While installing the new mag catch I also turned in the bolt speed adjuster all the way on the recommendation of the video that is now posted on the Umarex web sight about field stripping.
I have had very few misfires and most of them came in the first few hundred rounds, but hopefully they will be all but non existent now.
Has anyone else found the front sight post to be on short side?
I have to run mine all the way up on both my carbine and rifle.
Tried regular AR post but threads are different.
Wonder if there will be optional front posts available???
Tim
Hey Tim,
I just shot mine today for the first time and found the same situation. Front sight post does seem too short as well for me. Ran it up as far as I dare. Also shooting extreme to left, had to run rear sight almost to full right to bring group in line. Not real happy with the iron sights, but had a blast with it anyway. I think a scope of some kind may be the way to go here. Iron sights, shooting 36 grain Federal (Blue Box) ammo, sub MOA at 25 yards, 1 1/2 MOA at 50 yards and just over 4 at 100 yards. No feed or ejection problems with ammo, but expect a flyer every so often. I wonder how CCI would group? No its not my AR HBAR, but its still fun and cheap to shoot.
I also have HBAR and a couple of NM AR’s but with ammo and reloading prices I have been shooting the 2 colt rimfires most.
The carbine that had eject problems went back to Umarex last week for tweaking. The rifle now has red dots and scope to play with. At 100 yards using Remington match it but the majority in a 2 -3 inch group with a fair amount in x ring. Really suprised me on the 100 yard range. Just bought last 5000 round match ammo case from CMP yesterday so that should last a week or 2!
Tim
I had to run the sights up real high also. They are about an 1/8 to 1/4 inch too short. The retaining spring for the sight also pops out. I will call Umerex tomorrow!
Having the SAME problems with my front sight! I ordered a Holo optic…I guess that will fix the problem as long as I have battery life! Any news from Umerex in regards to the short sight? Let us know….Thanks!
Called Umarex today. The Armorer there said that they knew that some of the sights were too short. Is sending me a taller one today. He also said to adjust the tension on the spring nine turns and that should help with most ammo.
I now matched my m4 with a nikon 3×9x40 scope and it really is a good match for the gun. I shoot cci mini mag in it and it never miss fires, not like the remington that the gun would not even load. I would recomend this gun for anybody. The gun isnt the problem that most people are having its the ammo. All guns like different ammo, this gun is not an exception.
Called umarex on the 7/21 recieved the taller post on 7/24. Great turn around time. No cost
New front post sight! Dead on shots now!
I am ordering an M4 OPS. I was wondering what the fire control group looks like. Is it comparable to an AR-15/M-16?
MACHINEGUNBOB
The fire control group is unique not interchangeable.
Tim
I received my carbine back today everything works much better now, mag stays in well, new taller front sight, new recoil buffer and spring, now shots all my match ammo, and extractor now works 100%.
Now I just need to send rifle back and they will be a fine pair!
Tim
Hey All!
Has anyone heard that Smith and Wesson is making a .22? I looked for it online it looks pretty nice.
Yes, it’s called the M&P15-22, and you can read more about it from this same blog, @ http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/20/sw-mp15-22-a-22-lr-tactical-rifle/
Unlike the Colt, it is polymer, but claims to share many components with the AR platform (probably things like the pistol grip, where the Colt falls short). It’s supposed to be shipping right around now, at an MSRP of $499, but only in the tactical carbine configuration (unlike the Colt). It will ony have a 25-rd mag capacity.
Hi Ed. I read the TFB page on it. Some irritating dweeb arguing that $500 is too cheap…
To me the Colt sounds better. Plus On your previous post you were saying that you could modify a pistol grip to fit it. The ONLY thing that would make choose the M&P would be if the trigger was interchangeable or at least very similar to the USGI trigger. It looks like it isn’t though. 7lbs!
Does anyone know the trigger weight of the COLT?
i had the same problem with my colt m4 .22 . My magazine would not seat correctly. My gunsmith told me to send it in but i decided to keep tinkering with it because i knew it was going to be something stupid. Sure enough i found if i slightly bent the “lower receiver pin” or the part thats attached to the spring on the opposite side of the mag realease the mag seated perfectly.
Bought the M4 Ops model. Very nice construction but had the same problem with elevation as others. UMAREX is sending me the longer front post. The front sight is an “F” type. Was told that this is shorter than the standard front sight. (The whole sight not just the post) Hopefully I will have the same result as others and all will be well. Also have the problem of shooting very left. If the rear sight is centered at 50 yards, it shoots about 12-16 inches left. When corrected have very little left in the rear for a true windage issue. Tests were done in no breez and in a protected berm. No wind at all. I will replace the front post and go from there. BTW UMAREX was very responsive.
Hey Robert,
When I talked to Umarex about my sighting issues, they sent me a new front post and recommended removing the tension pin holding the front sling guide. Under that is a set screw (1.5mm) which may be backed off to allow you to tap (I used a rubber mallet, dead blow) front sight mount/gas tap block in the direction required. I suggest you do these adjustments at your range if allowed, as it may require a couple of tries to get sighted in. It worked for me. Mine’s a M4 Ops also. Added an elevated red dot also for more fun.
Tim – Thanks for the info. on the trigger group. I want to (legally) convert mine to select fire. I guess I’ll have to whittle out a hammer and sear on my Bridgeport. I have an 07 FFL/SOT so there are nor legal restrictions for me to do this. When I figure it out, I’ll make up some blueprints and make them available to other people that want to (legally) convert their gun. The .223 M-16 is getting really expensive to shoot. Plus, I can shoot the .22 LR at the indoor range.
Thanks again, Tim
BOB
Bob, my former boss (also manufacturer/SOT) has been asking me to help him figure out how to do this. LMK if you have some success!
It might be easier to do it on the M&P 15-22 because it uses GI lower parts but we haven’t examined one in any detail. We have been messing with the Colt a bit if we have any success I will let you know.
Gerod
hi i bought one of these colt m4 22 carbines and let me tell u iam far fron impressed the gun was fine the first 90 rounds of 22 ammo i put through it using the federal bulk 22 from wallly world but after that the gun started jamming anf miss feeds and then the saftey fell out i lost it somewhere well i called uramax and they are sending me a call tag all i can say is lets see what there warranty is like so far iam very unhappy wasting 600.00 dollars on a gun that iam beginning to think is junk this the first time i ever got a lemon with all the guns i have bought over the years but like i sais we will see if they fix it and how good is there warranty .
Gerod – If I have any sucess, I will let you know. Are you familiar with the “Lightning Link” for the Ar-15 to M-16 conversion? A modified version just MAY work on thee Uramex. If you want me to email you blueprints for the lightning link, let me know, and I’ll scan them and send them to you. I will need your email adress to do this.
Thanks
MGB
BOB
Gerod – My email adress is: bobanick [ a t ] yahoo [dot] com
Bob,
I sent you an email.
Received my S&W M&P 15-22 today.
Storm was coming up so I only had a chance to try 200 rounds of different ammo.
Observations:
It feed and fired every type of ammo I had. Even the Remington that would not chamber in Colt. Never missed firing or had any feed problems.
The wind was up put it does not appear to be as accurate as colt. Eley Practice seemed to group the best, wind was a factor but I tried for calm air.
Things I liked:
Seems to have same trigger group as AR
Both front and rear sights are removable.
Bolt comes out same a AR for cleaning.
Very light weight, maybe a little too light.
Eats all types of ammo and does not complain.
Well made as far as I could tell.
Things I did not like:
Accuracy, need to put scope on in calm air to verify.
Tim
I got my M4 OPS today. I tried shooting CCI Velocitor ammo thru it. I failed to feed about 75% of the time. VERY dissapointed. I tried some old cheapo Federal ammo in it, and it worked good. It could not have been the difference in velocity, because it failed to feed the first round almost every time. The first round is fed by the spring alone. It can not possibly have anything to do with how hot the ammo is. Maybe I’ll learn to like this gun once I figure out what ammo it likes besides ancient Federal. It shoots to the left, even with the rear site adjusted ALL the way. All over, I was very dissapointed with this gun. I am an 07/SOT N.F.A. Manufacturer. I looked at the fire control components. Tim feels as though this trigger group is similar the AR-15. It does not look at all like an AR-15/M-16 fire control group to me, but then I did not completely rip the trigger group apart, so Tim may be right. He may have torn his down to the casting. I did not. Overall, I am very dissapointed in this gun. Buy a 10/22. It may not look as neat, but they shoot every time you pull the trigger. This gun may work good after they make a few million of them and work the bugs out of it. But for now, I would never recomend one of these. Someone didn’t do their homework before they went into full production. This gun is still in it’s secondary tryout period. And they are having paying customers send them back the bad ones so they can figure out what is wrong with them. That’s exactly what the U.S. auto companies did in the 60’s and 70’s (Chevy Vega). And they are still paying for it with customer confidence that was lost, and never re-gained. Colt is going to severly tarnish their reputation by letting someone stamp their logo on this gun. They should have named it “High Point” or “Raven”.
I am a federally registered N.F.A. gunsmith and that’s all just my opinion, for whatever it’s worth. I may be wrong. My wife tells me I am all the time.
BOB
Bob
I was frustrated at first but now I am a fan! The feed problem is related to bullet diameter ( I believe ). I can run all types of new and old Federal with no problems, same with Wolf Match. I should go out to car and get my notes but a lot of ammo works OK and over all it is at least as accurate as any 10/22 I have built. Also more accurate than the S&W M&P 15-22 I just finished doing more testing with today. The factory told me that Walther used a match reamer for chamber and it is tighter than normal. Some ammo just will not seat all the way in chamber due to oversize lead. You would not notice this as much with a bolt gun but I do notice this with H&R 12 match rifle, some ammo is hard to seat. Umarex offered to open up chamber but I am reluctant to do so, I may let them do my carbine but keep tighter chamber in rifle. I also had them install (they will also ship) a new taller front sight and mag catch, worlds of difference.
Try some Federal ammo, even Dick’s Federal blue box 714 worked well.
Tim O in NC
Bob,
I thought you LOVED it! What happened? Also, I think Tim was talking about the Smith and Wesson M&P not the Colt.
Gerod
Bob,
Also, Try a different rear sight. I sometimes have issues if I buy a cheap CAA carry handle rear sight. I will ship you a good one if you want, though I am sure you can get whatever you want. Also try Tapping the front sight base over a little or possibly a new sight post. Maybe the hole drilled for the front sight post wasn’t drilled straight…
Don’t give up buddy!!! We need ya! Plus who is going to help me look smart in front of my old FFL/SOT boss when I know how to make his go FA?
Gerod
(All NFA rules apply and are always followed in everything relevant that I do. Only grubby dirt shooters even think about breaking them)
The chambering issue I had were with Colt, S&W will digest anything I threw in Mag!
If your mag pulls out easily take the mag release lever off and file the upper surface of catch boss slightly .010-015 will make it latch in and not pull out. Takes 10 minutes in old man mode!
The S&W is very pickey on accuracy as to what works and does not.
Colt is fairly accurate with anything that will chamber, so far it seems Eley Practice and Wolf Match (not extra match) seem to one hole at 25 yards.
Tim O
Bob…Thanks for the info. Just received the new front post and from the height difference, it should solve my elevation issues. I will try the front set screw and see it I can, gently, reslove the azimuth issue. I will post when I have worked it. Just an asside, my M4 has functioned perfectly with almost any ammo but some old CMP Remington (The lead seems very soft but is the best in my H&R M12). The new Remington Match/Target works fine. The El Cheapo Federal functions just fine. I tried Eley Tenex, Federal GM, all worked with NO malfunctions. Group-wise the Remington and Federal are pretty equal at 50 yds.
Took the M4 OPS .22 to the range today for the first time and WOW…what a great fun gun!!!! Easy to operate, adjust, and maintain. Be sure to adjust for high velocity ammo before your 1st trip to the range as I did. No jams for me with almost a 500 round brick used up!!! Great gun!!!! WOW
I just can’t justify doing work on a brand new gun that is under warranty. If I do anything at all to it, Umarex could void the warranty, right? I am going to send them the gun back, with a letter telling them my problems with the gun. I paid $665 for this gun (delivered, with four mags). That’s a lot of money for a .22 LR that doesen’t work most of the time. And when it does work, I can’t hit anything because of the sights are off farther than their adjustment. I have built belt-fed machine guns, submachineguns and just about everything in-between (legally). I’m not going to do a bunch of work on a brand new gun that is under warranty. Hopefully, they can fix it. If not, I will expect my money back, or a different gun. If it was some $100 gun, then maybe I could say “Oh, well”. But for over six and a half hundred, it should have worked good right out of the box. I bought an American made Walther PPK once. It was a piece of junk, too. I guess they are living on their name, not how good their guns are. From now on, I’ll build my own. If they don’t work, I can only get upset with myself. And I already don’t like me, so it doesen’t matter, right?
MachineGunBob
Bob , I am sure they will honor their warrenty. WHen I first shot mine , it was rough at first. The tension spring needs to be set before you shoot. The armorer at Umerex said to turn it 9 times. Not 9 380 degree turns, but 9 twist of the wrist. The more I shoot this rifle the better it gets. just needs some break in time.
Johnny – I wonder exactly how many revolutions nine twists of the wrist is supposed to be. It’s like when my Grandma baked a pie. A pinch of this, a dash of that. In today’s high-tech world, telling someone “nine turns of the wrist” is not very specific. This must be the kind of logic that they used when they designed and built these guns. And they turned out just like Grandma’s pies. One was fantastic. The next one would taste like cardboard. Leaving important items to human guesswork is exactly the opposite of Quality Control. A guy named Deming wrote a book about this subject. The Americans ignored it. The Japanese auto companies used it like a Bible. That’s when they started kicking our corperate butts in Quality and customer satisfaction. I loved my Grandma. But I wouldn’t trust her “pinches” and “dashes” logic to build weapons with. This gun reminds me of the pies she made that tasted like cardboard. Take one bite and spit it out. Give the rest to the dog under the table. Grandma taught me a lot. Mostly what NOT to do!
Machinegunbob
Tried the higher front sight post today. Resolved the elevation problem. Then I pushed my luck. I swapped a handle from my Colt HBAR. Right back to being 2 feet high. Funny thing, using this handle resolved my azmuth problem. Hmmmmmm……. Anyway now I have to see if I can have a handle. I would think the shorter (Standard A2) handle would be the best fit. If you use a hightr Mil_Spec handle for the “F” marked FSB it would aggravate the problem. Oh well I will keep trying.
try 9 180 turns. this is what I did and it shoots great.
Just bought a S&W M&P15-22 this week for $495, and took it out today and ran a couple hundred rounds through it. Then I fired my Colt AR-22 from the same bench rest, and got similar groupings. I thought the Colt was really neat until I got the S&W. Fit, finish, and overall quality look quite good, ever though the upper and lower are predominantly polycarbonate. Similarities are clearly greater to a standard AR-15 than what the Colt offers. Pistol grips, butt stocks (without tube), picatinny rail accessories, and trigger assembly interchange with standard mil-spec AR options. That part is really nice, and better than the Colt’s limited interchangeablity of just picatinny rail accessories and the butt-stock (without tube).
I saw some links where folks think the Colt is more accurate, but I do not find that to be the case. They are fairly equivalent in my testing at 25 yards. The S&W, however, seems to take-down easier for cleaning, which is a plus.
BTW, I also saw the S&W at Academy for $449. Of course, I stumbled across that after I already bought mine. Oh well….
Umarex called me today and gave me an RMA number to send the gun back with. I wish I would have bought a S&W from the start. I can’t sell the Colt (I am an FFL holder) as a new gun. And even if I did sel lit as a used gun (and took a beating on the money), I would be selling someone a gun that I know they won’t be happy with. And I really can’t justify keeping the Umarex and buying a S&W, spending a total of $1200 for two .22 LR guns. All I can do at this point is to send the Umarex back to them, and hope for the best. I guess praying would be about the only productive thing I could do, but I doubt if God really cares about wether my .22 works, or not.
Machinegunbob
I find it interesting how someone with little knowledge of a subject now thinks he is an expert. I have been in the quality business for 30+ years. Do you truly believe quality is a measure of how many turns it takes to adjust something? Would you be more satisfied if someone stated to rotate a wrench 360 degrees 9 times from the 12 o’clock position? Don’t you believe quality is related to customer satisfaction? Maybe you should read some of the other comments on this blog. It sounds like there are some very satisfied customers out there. Have you ever seen any auto company tell you their defect rate, Japanese, German, American or any others when you attempt to sell you a car? They relate quality to customer satisfaction! JD Powers! Etc. It sounds like Johnny was satisfied with his answer. CUSTOMER SATISFIED! You should really read Mr. Deming’s work. It involves a whole lot more than you think you know about. You build/modify firearms one at a time probably taking several days or weeks. Manufacturers build them on a production line where you have variations in each process and each component. The idea is to limit the effects of the variation so that the end product still meets the customer’s requirements. I can see that they have had a few issues but based on what I have read they have addressed them so that the customer is satisfied. No product has ever hit the market without some problems. That is why in the Quality field we have what is called “Continuous Improvement”. That is how we all get better. By the way I am a M4 Ops owner and I am more than satisfied. I have shot the M4 carbine and the M16 versions of these rifles and they all performed well.
Quality Observer – How could you possibly state that I have little knowledge in the subject of Quality Control? I have worked in the Quality Control Dept. at General Motors for over 24 years. We rate our Quality in defects per 100 cars. I work in the C.M.M. room. Yes, you are right. One measurement of Quality is customer satisfaction. But anyone with mechanical knowledge does not explain how to correct something in terms that can not be nailed down. We measure things in one thousands of a milimeter. I know that this is not needed to explain how many turns you need on a screw, but just stating “nine turns of your wrist” is a little vague, don’t you think? The Lordstown factory where I work produced thousand of Chevy Vega’s. They were at about the same Quality level as a Yugo. Junk. As far as J.D. Power and Associates, they started out as eleven people renting office space and test driving cars that they rented. For some reason (their ritzy sounding name?), the public took what these people said as gospel. So the car companies starting loaning them new cars to drive. Special ones that they had their best mechanics double-check every system on. Then they started letting them keep the new cars after they test drove them (providing they got a favorable test report). Demings work involves a lot more than I think about? How could you possibly know how much I know about Deming? You are making assumptions. Assumptions that I am some backyard gunsmith. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I work in the Quality Control Dept. at G.M. I am the trainer/team leader in the C.M.M. room. I am a customer of a Umarex gun, and at this point, I am not satisfied. Like I said in my previous posting, I sent the gun back to Umarex, and I”ll see what they do to it, and how it works when I get it back. Maybe I will be a satisfied customer in the end. I was merely making some observations about the gun I bought, and what other people told me about their experiences with theirs. Assuming that you know how educated I am, or how well I know Deming’s processes is assuming a lot. I may just be a little bit smarter than you think. I just happen to have a different opinion than you. We do not agree. That’s OK. But please do not state that we don’t agree because I lack an education, or the life experiences to judge a product that I have purchased. That just isn’t playing nice. Don’t forget. In this instance I AM the customer. And at this point, I am not satisfied. Hopefully I will be when I get it back. Let’s all play nice and talk about the guns. Not about each other. On this blog, I really think that it’s the gun that counts, not our personalities. Can we agree to disagree, and not cloud the issue with each others thoughs about the other guy? I hope so.
Thanks for the input, and God bless.
Machinegunbob
Good comments Mr Quality! Love the Colt OPS! Ordered the Gemtech suppressor adapter today to run my AAC Pilot. I’ll let everyone know how it works!
The Gem-Tech adapter works great. I got mine for my AWC can a few weeks ago. It seems like Gem-Tech makes some really fine products. I also have a G-5 supressor from them. Very impressive. I really like the cam lock setup. With the adapters, I could put it on the Umarex, but it would be way too big for it. I hope that when I get my OPS back from Umarex, that I will like mine as much as you like yours.
MGB
Take the wrench that came with the rifle and loosen the flash suppressor two full turns. That loosens the rear pin and you can drive it out. Are you shooting Remington ammo? It doesn’t like Remington. Bolt speed might need adjusted. Check your owner’s manuel.
Mary – I was unsucessfully shooting CCI Velocitor and Stinger. It did like the cheap Federal. It shot the Federal with no problems. Umarex has got it back right now. Hopefully, it will shoot OK when I get it back. It seems as though the diameter of the chamber was tight. I could be wrong, because I did not measure it. I guess that if I take it out with different velocity ammo, then I’ll have to always take the adjustment wrench for the bolt speed with me. I’m sure that after some testing, I’ll know where (how many turns) to have the adjustment screw for the different types of ammo I use. Thanks for the advice about Remington ammo not working well. I won’t bother wasting my time trying it. I usually shoot CCI through all my .22’s. Maybe the Umarex just doesen’t like CCI.
Thanks again for the advice.
God bless
MGB
BOB
I want to thank all who have contributed comments here. Great example of the incredible community of knowledge made possible by the internet. After reading through these posts, I made the “educated” decision to buy the Colt, and am taking to the range tomorrow.
MGB,
My apologies to you. There was no malicious intent. I agree it is ok to disagree. I hope and pray that you are satisfied when all is said and done.
God Bless
Machine Gun Bob,Wish I could’ve read your comments before i bought my colt M4. I got mine and couldn’t fire 6 rounds in a row without jamming or primer light strike problems.I have and do own a lot of colts and have never had a problem with them.I tried serveral different type of mmo with same problem.I have sent it back twice now and am in the same boat you are.Can’t resell and get money back. They know me by name there now. I just wanted to take time to thank you for writing and to let you know you are not the only disatisfied customer. I recently purchased a gsg5 and what a difference 1000 rounds without a hickup.
Quality Observer – I’m glad that there are no hard feelings. It’s all about the guns, not you and I, right? It seems like m4noop is having the exact problems I am experiencing. Like you said, hopefully they will fix it up well enough for me to sell it as a used gun. I’ll loose a bunch of money, but at least the guy I sell it to may like it. I am WAY too fussy when it comes to guns. You are right. I build them one at a time, and fuss over every detail. You can not do that on a production line (unless you are going to sell the guns for tens of thousands of dollars apiece). I look at every gun as a weapon. If I do not have 100% confidence in it, I get rid of it. I had a Glock model 27. It worked perfect for hundreds of rounds. One day it “stovepiped” a round. I put it up for sale the next day. I know that this is not acting like a normal person, but I never claimed to be normal. Picky, yes. Normal? No. Guns to me are like a wife. She only has to cheat on me once, and I will never trust her again as long as I live. Thanks for the reply. It’s a small sandbox. We might as well play nice.
m4noop – It distresses me that you have sent the gun back several times, and it still does the same thing. If that happens to me, I will cut it into two or three pieces with a band saw and send it back to them and tell them to use it for a suppository. I’ve done it before. I am not a rich person. But I expect guns to work every time. If a company can not make some little .22 plinker work right, then shame on them. 40-plus years ago (when I was a boy) I bought a .22 Winchester semi-auto. The kind with the tube that holds the rounds under the barrel. I’ve put thousands and thousands of rounds through that gun. It’s gone years in between cleanings. That gun has never jammed once. And when you are 12 years old, you don’t clean, or oil your gun. I never even owned a cleaning rod for the first few years. Every winter I would take it over to my friend, John Konya’s house and use his cleaning rod. I shot it after carrying it around all day in freezing weather while it was snowing. I shot it at a limestone quarry when it was 100 degrees and had super abrasive limestone dust everywhere. It never jammed-up. Never. 40 years later someone can’t make an auto loading .22 to work brand new, at an indoor range at 70 degrees, and no dust/dirt? In 40 years’ time, I figured that guns would improve, not get worse. And you could still probably buy several of those little Winchesters for what I paid for the “colt” umarex. The problems that you are describing are EXACTLY what my gun does. Exactly. It sucks, but maybe if tou try some cheapo Federal ammo, it will work. I haven’t actually measured the bullets with a micrometer, but I’ll bet that the Federal ammo is a few thousands of an inch smaller than the CCI, or the Remington that won’t work. I bought an adapter from Gem-Teck so I could put my AWC supressor on the end of the umarex. Where on earth am I going to find subsonic ammo that this thing will cycle? Probably impossible. We just put a new blade in the big Do-All band saw last week. I hope the colt doesen’t need to get ran through it. Those companies really don’t know what to do when you send them a gun back in pieces. I tell them to remove that serial number from their production book. The paperwork involved for them to do that is probably more than it costs to fix the rifle, or re-issue a new one with the same serial number. I hope I’m luckier that you were. I hope they fix mine. It’s a shame when you buy a brand new gun that says “Colt” on it, and you have to hope and pray that it will work. I’ll bet Sam Colt is turning over in his grave. He knew what a quality gun did. It tosses a bullet out the end of the barrel every time someone pulls the trigger. Modern quality control was not even thought of back then. Like the insurance company says “it ain’t rocket science”.
Machinegunbob
m4noop be sure to adjust your ammo setting inside the gun before your 1st trip to the range. It is pre set to low velocity ammo and the screw needs to be turned inward(below flush)…..try that and report back…..gentleman’s bet your problem is solved!
Derek, Don’t want to get in a online argument here but,I spent a day off and on with Umaex on the phone trying to troubleshoot this problem and trust me when I tell yuo this did not fix my particular problem with the gun. When they sent it back the last time it will shoot CCI maxi mag with some irregularity. This will be one of those guns that I will shoot for fun ocassionaly when it decides to fire,but will never depend upon to save my life. Again not trying to be a colt basher here.When I invest 600 dollars in a gun I expect it might shoot better than my 200.00 ruger 10/22 which I would not hesitate to pick up with any ammo and defend myself or family.
m4noop -Personally, I think you are right. For the price we paid for our two Umarex guns, we could have outfitted eight people with Ruger 10/22’s. I am no fan of Bill Ruger. I feel he did some anti-gun politics when the magazine capacity law was being decided (he only sells guns with 10 round capacity). But he makes reliable guns. Colt used to make good guns years ago. The U.S. Military buys M-16’s from F.N. now. Pistols from Beretta, of F.N. As far as I know, there is presenty no gun that Colt makes for our military. I MAY BE WRONG. I am no military weapons aquisition expert. But Colt sold the U.S. military Colts for years, then they lost their contract. Umarex is only going to make guns’ quality to the specs the their parent company (Colt) demands. If Coly’s guns can’t pass muster with the military, then it’s safe to assume that they are not going to hold Umerax to a higher standard than they hold themselves to. Again, this is merely an observation from an outsider. I do not work at Colt, or Umarex. I work At G.M. Having product/company loyalty is a great thing. Big companies live or die from repeat customers. Selling someone a poorly functioning gun, car, or whatever it is, only makes you a few dollars today. The real money is in making something good enough that they come back to you year after year and continue to hand you money. Colt/Umarex is failing to do this. Maybe not with everyone, but I think they have got their last penny from you and I. I bought this gun primarily so when I take my two Grandkids out to the range, they can shoot a gun like my AR-15. Handing a child a malfunctioning gun may sour their fun. Like going fishing and not catching any fish. Plus, there is a serious safety issue. Everytime the gun malfunctions, they shrug their shoulders, and hand the gun to me to “fix it” for them. Some child trying to clear a rim fire cartridge that has been struck (but not hard enough) is real dangerous. A hang fire is rare, but if it should happen, then it’s going to be hard to explain to their parents why their face likes like a pizza. And you know how impatient kids are. If you are not watching them like a hawk ( I do ), they aren’t going to wait very long before they try to clear the misfired round from the gun. Who do you sue? the gun manufacturer, or the ammo company? I don’t want to need to find out. Guns should work at least 99% of the time. What would the people at Colt or at Umarex think of G.M. if their car stopped running half of the time they drove it? And then we blame it on the brand of gasoline they use. And they are using the same gasoline that they have used for years in all their other cars. They would be livid. Well, that’s exactly what they are doing to us. Blame the ammo. Blame the dopey consumer. They are just making sub-standard guns. The military knows it. That’s why they lost a long-running contract with them. Colt will probably be the next company to file bankruptcy. And this Umerax .22 will be one of the anchors that drags them to the bottom. I know that writing this will upset some people. You can disagree with me all you want. But let’s all stick to talking about guns, and gun companies. Don’t launch personal attacks on me. I have nothing to do with the fact that many of these guns don’t work. Let’s talk about guns, not about people.
Machinegunbob
All
I found what may be a cure for some, not all, of the loading problems.
First I have found some ammo to be 100% reliable no FTF or load issues.
Every Federal load is this way and recently I found black box bulk Winchester target to be another reliable load. Yesterday I was sighting in with the Winchester and after 6 10 round mags I started to get failure to FTF with a new full mag. I found this strange, I remembered loading this mag fairly quickly not paying too much attention as to how I loaded the mag. The next 10 times I loaded that mag I was very careful in loading mag and continued with no FTF.
Conclusion, carefully loading mag, checking alignment of each round eliminated all FTF issues. At least with the Winchester.
I suggest trying this on some of your loads that have FTF issues.
Tim
MGB;
I am glad that our tax dollars are continuing to allow you to purchase products. We all know how well GM has been managed over the years. Have you ever worked for either of these companies? Do you know why Colt does or does not supply the US military? You should state facts not your opinion. This is supposed to be about the Colt/Umarex .22 Rimfire rifle, not everything else wrong in the corporate world. Gun enthusiasts get on these blogs to chat/discuss about products and sometimes look for help, not to listen to someone on a soapbox. With your knowledge maybe you should try to help and not hinder.
QUALITY OBSERVER – “I do not work at Colt or Umarex”…. “I MAY BE WRONG”… …”this is merely an observation from an outsider”. These are all direct quotes from my previous post. By making these diclaimers, I feel that I was just giving my opinion. If I am not allowed to give my opinion on this blog, then why does the administrator keep posting my comments? “Just the facts, maam” was for Joe Friday. If opinions are not what you want to read, then ease your mind, and don’t read my comments. If you see a posting that I made, just don’t read it, if my opinions bother you so much.
Enough is enough.
From here on in any comment on this blog post not about the Colt / Umarex M4 will be deleted.
tried the Winchester 555 box of ammo today and shot the entire box without one dud! Later I used the gemtech adapter to mount my silencer and it worked perfect! If anyone is going to use a silencer call gemtech direct and order the adapter.
I have 2 of the sights, one red dot the other has red illuminated reticle. Both work fine, one of them is on sale now at Midway.
If you having feeding problems try Winchester or Federal ammo and carefully seat each round in mag. I pull spring down just enough for next round, let the spring up to seat that round and then back down for the next. No feeding problems with the above ammo. I had issues other brands especially Remington.
Tim
Hi all. Tried my M4 yesterday. Per my original post I had problems with the rifle shooting way to high at 50 yds and to center the impact, the rear sight was almost against the right stop. So………..
1) Called Umarex about the elevation and they sent me a new (higher) front sight post. That fixed the elevation problem but did not change the azmuith problem.
2) Tried the handle from my real 5.56 Colt and was back to the elevation issue even with the higher front sight post.
3) Ordered a handle from UMAREX. …..Great! Resolved the elevation problem AND the azmuith problem. Makes me think the rear (original) sight was off center. The handle is definitly lower and this is what resolves the elevation issue. As far as the azimuth issue…it must be centered on the rail better.
Anyway, both issues are now resolved and at 50 yards the rifle can break paper using Federal GM. Eats anything I feed it from El Cheapo 36gr to Remington Target and Fed GM. Also Remington High Velocity with no failures. I would now say I am happy with the rifle and think it will be a lot of fun. BTW I put my older 3X20 Colt scope on it and it works just fine.
Hey Bob, just a little down the page on this link :
http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html
There is a picture of 3 bolt carriers. They say don’t use the regular AR15 bolt or else mill down the BC. Is this true?
Also, I wrote to firearmsblog to get Quality’s ip banned but they haven’t responed yet. The guy comes in here with out ever talking about the Colt .22 and his first post is talking trash like he knows everything. I bet he doesn’t even own one. I would just ignore him if he doesn’t get banned. Thanks for the email!
Hey Beltfeeder. Which gemtech adapter did you get? Just the A2 flash hider with the two left and right lugs?
My apologies to all.
Well, the more I shot my new S&W M&P15-22 alongside the Colt, I became increasingly more impressed with the S&W. The trigger is a lot nicer and has a much lighter pull than the Colt. The difference is not even close. The fact that things like the trigger assembly and pistol grip are all interchangeable with the myriad of AR-15 upgrade options is a real plus. I addition, I like the much heavier barrel, the functional bolt release, ease of disassembly and cleaning (very much like a real AR), and the solid feel. Umarex may be fairly responsive now, but what about in the future when there are a bunch of mal-functioning Colts out there? S&W’s customer support is legendary, and sets the standard by which others can be judged.
Bottom line, I took my Colt to the local gun show and traded it. Dealers were telling me that they have come down in price quite a bit since they first came out. I traded for a 2nd-gen GSG-5 with telescopic stock and HK rail clamp option for optics mounting. Given the plethora of seemingly pleased GSG-5 owners out there, and the breadth of accessories, I felt that was a better addition to my collection than a 2nd AR-clone — especially one that I probably wouldn’t pick up any more after buying the S&W. Fake parts, loose assemblies, and parts that fall out upon cleaning the weapon bother me. A firearm that is difficult to field strip and clean won’t be my first choice when I go to the range. The accuracy wasn’t all that much better than the S&W, so I am comfortable with my choice. Sometimes that’s the price you pay for wanting to be the first one on the block with the next new firearm.
I wish everyone the best and continued enjoyment with their Colts. My decision made good sense for me. If you haven’t bought one yet, seriously consider all the good alternatives that are out there. For me, it was the S&W M&P 15-22. Now if only I could find some spare mags….
Ed I can certainly identify with you about being first kid on the block.The only thing my colt M4 has gotten me so far, is a close repore with my local UPS shipper. I am on my third time sending mine back now and am either going to wrap it around a tree if it doesn’t function or try to get something out of it on trade.By the way have a GSG5 that I’m well pleased with.To the administartor;thank you for providing this forum so that people can express their frustration to others like me. I work hard for my money as I’m sure a lot of others on here do. To pay 600.00 for a non functioning trinket is very disheartning.S&W is looking really good to me right now.
well got my colt m4 22 back from umarex and its still screwed up so i traded it back where i bought it iam gonna go with the gsg -5 i think these colts suck iam sorry iam not im pressed thought it was a cool idea when i first saw it but now as far as iam concerened all these guns are a good 600.00 dollar paper weight and thats it so i couldnt take they aggarvation of it so to those people who are still trying to get theres fixed good luck you will need it
Thanks for all the feedback on the colt/umarex .22. I was in the market to buy an ar(.556) and did not want to pay the higher prices that they are brining right now. So I figured I would go with the colt .22. Ar looks and cheap .22 ammo, could not go wrong with that. UNTIL I found this forum.
Now I am not going to buy one with all the problems reported here.
Thanks again, you guys saved me $500 +.
Helex
What ammo are you using. Even my worst feeding Colt would devour all the Federal ammo with no miss fires or FTF. Even after I had them fixed Remington of any flavor is a no go. All the Winchester I tried also worked 100%.
Tim O
BTW I have 2 Colts, 1 S&W, and the GSG5. I like them all but for different reasons. The easiest to clean and hoot to shoot is the S&W, the GSG is a favorite to just plink with.
I just recently purchased my Colt .22 M4 OPS and LOVE LOVE LOVE IT! Here is my TOP 10 Reasons why everyone should by one:
1. MATCH GRADE CHAMBER: Due to the match grade chamber or, ZIP Chamber as they call it in Europe, it only prefers the quality ammo but not necessaryliy expensive stuff though. It shoots Federal, CCI, Wolf, and most of my Winchester very well. Once i made the bolt adjustment Umarex recommend it worked like a dream.
The easiest way to make since of that is look at is if it is a car – Try to run crappy gas in lamborgini or don’t bother tunning it either” – it won’t run for crap even though you just paid $300 grand for it. Great things take some TLC.
2. Accuracy: It is also extremely accurate – dime size groups @ 25yrds with open sights. Can’t wait to get a scope on it.
3. Materials: I love the fact the upper and lower receivers are sturdy Aluminum and not plastic like the “others” currently out and most of the other parts are made out of heat treated steel.
4. Barrel: it has a LOTHAR WALTHER barrel in it!!! Great barrels!!
5. Parts: All the parts/pins/etc are extremely tight – not sloopy or loose
6.Magazine: smoothest spring on an AR style mag I have ever felt
7. Threaded barrel: I can use my Walther P22 silencer on it without an adapter
8. Fun: I can go out and shoot all day and spend 3/4 less $ than if i took my .223 out – Cheap to shoot!
9. Accessories: They have all kinds of stuff available for them. I got on the website listed on my paperwork in the box just to take a look. They have a few videos about cleaning etc on there too. – Very helpful
10. Umarex USA: I called them before i bought my M4 and kept a couple of their people on the phone for a long time a couple of times asking them every question i could think of and they answered everything (thats how i know what the materials are and about the lothar barrel and such – I made a list of stuff i wanted to know before i spent that kind of money) they were nice and informative and they told me if i ever needed sevice or parts they would take care of me so my impression is they stand behind their product which means a lot to me as a buyer.
I recommend this rifle to EVERYONE and I hope that some people don’t avoid buying this rifle just because a few people have had small issues with them, not to say it should be expected or excused but, out of the thousands i am sure they sold, 3-5 people with issues is extremely great for a new product. (look at Ruger – they have recalled almost all of their new models they have released the last few years but they still make a great product)
Besides from the feel i got from Umarex they are going to take care of any problem that could arise – so no worries and HAVE FUN SHOOTING cause i am!
I know there has been a lot of negetive reports on the colt m4, but I purchased one about two months ago, and I love the gun. I dont expect a good gun like the m4 to shoot cheap shells like the remington bulk pack. If I wanted to shoot cheap shells I would have bought a cheap gun. I only use the cci mini mag and have no problem with the m4. I never have a missfire or a bad feed problem. The accuracy of the gun is excellent, and with the nikon scope I have on it, makes it a deadly machine. I may have lucked out and got a good one but I would recommend this gun to everybody.
Almost a month now since my purchase and 3 range sessions later and I still love this gun……get it, try it, and I bet you’ll love it!!!!!!! It is shooting spot on without fail…..
I just purchased a Colt .22 M4 and had some initial problems with it. It is supposed to be factory set for Standard Velosity .22 but mine wouldn’t cycle cartridges. I had 20 Jams out of 35 using Remington, 7 out of 50 using Winchester and 5 out of 50 using Federal. When I tried to make the adjustment necessary to set the ammo type, the first problem I had was removing the pin to access the adjustment screw. The manual doesn’t tell you that you have to open the flash surpressor 1 1/2 turns before you can knock out the pin. Once open, I found the adjustment screw to be protruding several turns rather the being flush. I turn the screw all the way down as suggested and since then have had no problems with Winchester or Federal ammo. Remington still hangs up and acts as it the lead bullet is slightly too big for the bore. Remington will go in about 3/4 the length of the bullet and stop. You can manually push it in the rest of the way and it will fire. Don’t use Remington. I currently using Winchester standard velosity and Federal high velosity with no problems. Since I have all of the bugs out, it really is a fun gun.
I also purchased a Colt ops. It’s a great looking rifle, But have had the same problems as everyone else except my forearm rail rotates on the Barrel. There are two allen screws that won’t bottom out to the Barrel to lock rail in place. Also when you fire a full clip to empty, the breach should remain open. It doesn’t. I have sent my rifle back to Umarex today after firing about 300Rd’s through it. They were very nice on the phone. Time will tell if they fix or not. Will let you no in the future what happens.
Good luck Bear I’m on my fourth send back for my m4 ops.
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Please do not ruin this page for everyone else. If you have a problem with Umarex get in contact with them, I am sure they will be happy to discuss it with you and sort out any problems.
Trigger pull at 7.25. NEVER had a pull so rough.
Colt M-4 22 cal. : New gun – bad tirgger, new gun now at the gunsmith for his comments. Sorry I paid so much for so little quality.
happey with gun now just need full auto concerson never misses with federal 510
After reading horrible reviews of the M4’s, I decided to buy one…
I’ve had my M4OPS out to the range a few different times…
The first time out, I had a few stovepipes and light strikes with the Federal 550 pack… No biggie… I was expecting it… I only regret buying the 10,000 rounds of it before having the rifle… It fires from the 10/22’s just fine… Problem 1 solved…
Took the upper off, did a major cleaning of the bolt, and reassembled… No bolt adj’s or talk or “the screw”…
CCI minimags work without flaw… Winchester SuperX works just as well… 7,500 rounds, boresnake every 1000, and cleaned at the mid-point… 1 light strike and zero stovepipes…
The only problem I’ve had thus far is optics. I wanted a dual sight set-up.
Iron sights out to 100yds, red dot at 40.
The front sight overall is too tall for a red dot or most any optic without removing the front sight in favor of something flip down… $60-90 for the Umarex flip down front… Or $100 for Troy… No brainer… Still haven’t bought it though.
I’ve searched and searched for see-thru picatinny risers and couldn’t find one tall enough…
FFL/Gunsmith mounted his spare Trij ACOG on it, and it worked for what we were doing…
The magazines don’t seem to stand up to heat as well as they should… The plastic lips close to the chamber seem to melt ever so slightly. Nothing major.
We’re working now to design a mod for them to replace the lips with machined steel… Let you know when that comes full circle…
I was a GSG snob at first, but after handling the plastic S&W and polymer Sig, I am happy to own my Walther made Colt M4OPS.
Hello to all colt M4ops owner’s. The time has come to inform you of my new experiance with Umarexusa. I sent my rifle back for adjustment’s and they returned with a nice little scrap on it back to me. I was a little bit Pissed Off at first. Because it was brand new. Then I shoot about 160rd’s throw it today. I must admit it worked perfectly and all problem’s vanished. They also sent me a extra mag with it. I must say those guy’s at Umarexusa are Ok. I am very happy now. Some of your comments online scared me that this company would not take care of it’s customer’s with problems. That is not true. They do take care of the customer I am living proof. Good luck to all and happy shooting. I am glad I bought Colt M4Ops It’s great!
Well I have to pile on with the disappointment of this weapon. Had the same feed and extraction problems many have commented on. I sent it back and recieved courteous and quick customer service from Umarex. However first time shooting it after I recieved it back it now doesn’t load the round fully into the reciever about 75% of the time and had several light strikes of the primer rim. I am going try different ammo and see how it performs. Will post more after I change the ammo.
I have for some time been considering a .22 upper for my M4 type AR-15. Recently at a gun show I made an impulse buy of a .22 “Colt M4” carbine instead. I took it home and went over it and immediately discovered that I should have spent more time with it and examining it prior to purchasing it. It is not a Colt and although Colt claims on its website that the rifle is produced by Walther mine is stamped as being produced by Umarex. I am not sure what this tangled web is or what the relationship is between the companies. Umarex is a company which builds air soft guns and you can see the heritage in the design and quality. I am disappointed that Colt would stamp its name on this rifle. I have found Colts in the past to be of high quality. I made some dead wrong assumptions that this rifle was set up similar to M4 .22LR uppers that I had considered purchasing several times. Upon close examination of the rifle the functionality becomes frustrating. First of all the safety lever is flimsy and mushy. It requires 180 degrees of rotation from semi to fire instead of 90 degrees as is standard with the AR-15/M16/M4 series of rifles. This is a major issue for individuals who constantly manipulate the safety and practice firing drills that began and end with the weapon on safe. The second thing that I dislike about the weapon is the bolt hold open. I have to caveat my statements about the bolt hold open lever by saying that I have not used any other rifles like this and it is possible that my weapon has a defect. The bolt hold open looks like it should be functional however it is not. The bolt locks to the rear after the last shot is fired from the magazines however the only way to lock the bolt to the rear without a magazine inserted is to place your finger in the magazine well and push up on the bolt stop. The AR type leaver on the side it is only eye candy and just takes up space. The bolt spring is the weakest that I have ever seen in a .22 and constantly refuses (with .22 Remingtons) to close the bolt far enough to chamber a round. You will be farther frustrated if you tap the forward assist because it does not function either. The dust cover is also flimsy and you really have to thump it to make it lock in the closed position. I liked the idea that I had purchased a weapon that could fire the cheapest ammo. I went to Wal-Mart and purchased 500 rounds of 36 gr. Remington Thunderbolt ammo and headed to the range to try the rifle. The magazines are probably the best part of the rifle. They are simple to load and allow you to depress the magazine follower and go easy on the thumb. After loading a couple magazines I settled down to some shooting. The rifle absolutely refused to chamber the ammo and I ejected 8-10 rounds before the rifle fully chambered one round. The round fired and the rifle returned to its previous state in which I could not fully chamber another round. Finally I secured a box of 40 gr CCIs from the truck and tried them. They functioned and cycled correctly though the rifle. The .22 Remington have a bad reputation however I was subsequently able to fire two 25 round magazines though my wife’s 10/22 without a single malfunction (while she reminded me the 10/22 cost $197.00 at Wal-mart which is much less than the $598.00 I paid for the “Colt”) so they should be adequate. Maybe it simply requires some experimentation to determine the correct ammo but I am not satisfied with the rifle or its performance at this point. When attempting to strip the rifle down I was also disappointed by the construction materials and the effort necessary to remove the rear receiver pin. I have not had the time to get back to the range with the weapon and frankly I am not sure that it would be worth the time. Presently the “M4” occupies a spot in the back of the safe where it will most likely stay until I feel adventurous. It will not be the tool that I had envisioned it to be. I am disappointed with the rifle. Simply put it is a toy and cheaply made at that. If you like smoke and mirrors and want a fake gun to mount fake optics etc on then this rifle is for you. If you want a rifle with same controls and function as the AR-15/M16/M4 series of rifles leave it alone. I am not turned off to the idea of a .22 AR but do some research and no impulse buys.
Howdy James — I made a similar impulse buy, and was initially fairly pleased with it, despite the design idiosyncracies, until I tried to strip it down for cleaning, or to add other AR-type accessories to it. I only fired CCI and Federal bulk ammo through it, so I never had any FTF issues. I got increasingly concerned as I read the blogs of the many others encountering problems, and having to send their rifles back to Umarex — some multiple times.
I also purchased the S&W M&P15-22 shortly thereafter and fell in love with it. The controls are were they are supposed to be and function like an AR. The trigger pull is crisp and much lighter than the Colt. Accessories are AR-compatible all the way down to the trigger group. Take down and cleaning is just like an AR. It eats all ammo I run through it — even Remington bulk. I has a match-grade barrel from Thompson, not a soda-straw barrel inside of an aluminum sleeve. Best of all, it feels incredibly solid, and of quality design, fit, and finish. Oh yeah, it’s also made in USA….
Bottom line, I chalked my Colt purchase up to experience gained, and traded it shortly thereafter for a GSG-5, which has also been flawless. I got rid of mine while they are still a bit of a novelty, and hence, still held a bit of value. I feared that the longer I waited to trade it, the less valuable it would become, as word of such issues like you and others have had continues to grow and circulate. Of course, I am just a data point of one, but I can certainly empathize with your situation.
this gun is on my top gun list. I have had a few like strikes and two ejections problems, but still like very much. Does anyone else have problems with the dust cover not snapping closed though?
Andrew — mine never would snap closed — it always stayed open. Seems it was another one of those parts that was merely cosmetic.
Well I had a chance to run some CCI ammo though my M4 yesterday and it fired flawlessly. Any brand of Remington ammo jammed it up though. Called Umarex and they verified do not use Remington ammo. In all, I had higher expectation of this weapon. For the money spent ($569) the reliability and finicky ammo issues I would rather have dressed up a 10/22 and been able to dump ammo all day without worry. If you have low serial number weapon ( mine is in the 3000’s) you may want to call Umarex and request a new owners manual. When I spoke to them, they said there had been many changes from the original one shipped with the first series of weapons and that they would send an updated one free of charge.
ps: Andrew ejection port cover is purely cosmetic another question that Umarex answered on my phone call.
I recently purchased the M4ops and ran 500 rounds of cci with no feed problems, only 3 duds. I attempted to shoot some remington ammo and had 60% fail to feed and fire. A couple years ago I had a failure of remington ammo in a 9mm HI-Power in that the loads were too weak to work the action properly. I would not recommend Remington ammo for any firearm ever. Many of the .22 bullets were loose in the cases. Maybe made in China? This Rifle Ser.# in 21k range, no complaints yet.
Man I wish I had done a little more research before buying! I have a Walther 922 with a Gemtech Outback II ans wanted a rifle I could swap the can over to. When I saw the M4Ops at Academy I thought it seemed like a pretty good deal, it felt sturdy and the threads would work with the p22 bushing. so I bought it… had a box of thunderbolts, and subsonics by Remington…and of course had FTF 90% of the time. I have the same issue with the Mag Release as described it doesn’t fall out but the slightest pull on it will break it free from the mag well. my overall opinion at this point is, I paid ~$600 for a cool looking piece of trash… I will try some other ammo later today, but if I specifically bought it for use with the Outback can, so the having to feed it HV rounds is a bit counter-productive. I loaded up some Colibri rounds as well, knowing the wouldn’t cycle the action, but assuming I could hand cycle them…. nope, the ejector doesn’t reliably grasp the rim of the Colibris.
I will file down the topside of the mag release and try the other type of ammo, if anyone has had any luck with subsonic rounds please let me know the type… If I cant find any that work, this little colt will be for sale. I guess if you aren’t using a can, and you have the right ammo that feed in the match barrel its probably a great little plinker…
hope someone has found some sub sonics that will feed and cycle reliably
-J
Jason I hate to tell you this but I just recieved mine back after the 4th time back to Umarex…It will fire cci now maybe 85 % of the time but will not cycle any of my subsonic stuff..I have a Waith supressor also that i had great dreams of shooting on this gun..I have a GSG 5 Pk that works great with the remmington subsonic stuff.Good luck to you.
m4noop, have you tried CCI Subsonic HP ? It is the only subs I use on my .22 guns.
I’ve had a few feeding and stovepipe problems with my M16, called Umarex and found my charging spring was not adjusted properly. 9 turns in from flush for High Velocity ammo. I also discovered since the bolt carrier is in 2 pieces (what a design DUH that was) that one side was just a hair high on the back side and was not allowing my magazine to sit flush. I ground down the top surface of the mag. It now seats perfectly and have not had a misfeed after about 800 rounds. I’m calling Umarex with my results. They also sent me a mag release ??? There is nothing wrong with the one I had.
I’m using CCI HV, Aguila Interceptor, Federal #510 Champion with no troubles. I even used Remington cyclone just to try them out with no trouble.
KEEP IT CLEAN. After 200 rds I clean off the feed ramp and all around it. And run my bore snake once. When I get home I give the action a foam bath and blow it out with compressed air.
I agree the price was alittle high. I paid $650 for mine but it is a great plinker and everyone who tries it out loves it as well.
Gentlemen, all comments were of value to me. I too had some difficulty 1 st. Time out with 50. Percent ftf’s! However as in all new products once the “bugs” are worked out then it is good range rifle to bring the spouse out to. As a former usmc officer. And a current officer we have to remember we all are enjoying our 1st. And. 2 nd amendent rights as americans. Right? Good shooting all of you great americans. God bless you guys! Dr. Commander.
Just purchased the Colt M4 ops .22lr, “Still in the waiting period”. I have 100+ rounds of some 20 year old High Velocity CCI ammo I am waiting to put through it but was wondering what would happen if I did not adjust it for High Velocity before using? It won’t shoot as fast or what?
Garett,
You will have misfeeds and possible stove piping. Your Colt comes with a allen wrench to adjust it. Very Simple, remove rear pin for upper half, allen screw in the back of the action, turn ‘in’ 9 turns from flush and your done. Keep it clean and clean the feed ramp as soon as it looks dirty.
Has any gunsmith been able to do anything with the trigger pull of 7lb’s
If Colt had taken the upper and lower all metal from there 22 AR and used S&W trigger assembly, upper bolt assembly and there barrel from there 22 AR they would have had the top and most trouble free 22 AR out there. And would not have the bad reputation they are getting now and mfg. Cost would have been lower.
Well I am back to square one, The colt went back to the Manufacturer. This is second count of problems and very pissed off. I just returned from my gun dealer with great news. He said he would take back my colt M4 oops and give me store credit towards a new rifle. I am very pleased with that option. I really wasn’t satisfied with the preformance of the colt. I just didn’t need another show piece in the safe. Owning one of the Colt/Walther rifles is like owning a old motorcycle some time it works perfect and sometimes it doesn’t. Good luck to all of you shooter’s and thank you for this Web-Site.
I posted in July when I first got my M4 Ops…I said I loved it then and I still do after 10,000+ rounds fired. We have since purchased a Colt LE 6420 and still like to shoot the .22 just as much. I just wanted to give a positive plug for a gun that has been very,very good to me and my boys.
I have had the M4 now for 2 months and around 5000 rounds. The gun has been shot by a number of members at the local range and everyone loves it. I have shot everything from RWS to Federal to Winchester and maybe 5 hung up cases. I have not shot Remington because of the comments on this and other pages. I have found the gun to be accurate and a blast to shoot. I have a Bushmaster A2 and a DPMS National Match. I can practice my offhand with twice the shots at half the cost. I can’t wait till my Grandson is old enough to teach him to shoot with it.
I purchased a Colt M4 .22LR about a month ago and have put close to 1000 rounds through it and I have found some things that I really like and I just recently stumbled upon a couple of things that really honk me off:
Likes:
1. Once I got it dialed in, it shoots like a champ and is a blast to shoot!
2. I have tried CCI and Winchester 333 and it seems to like those quite a bit, although I think I need to adjust the slide speed because I still suffer from the occasional misfeed/failure to eject/etc.
Dislikes
1. Like others have mentioned, I had to run my front sight post up quite a few turns to bring my rounds down. It was shooting at least a foot high at 60-70 yds. Umarex is sending me a taller sight post when they get back in stock.
2. I had to go quite a few clicks to the right on my rear sight aperture to get on paper too. The rifle shot way left out of the box. Umarex said that I might need to adjust my front sight base because apparently they have had issues with them moving during shipping.
3. Still getting an occasional misfeed/failure to eject/etc that I need to adjust for.
4. The trigger pull is almost painful after a few hundred rounds. I want to take it to a gunsmith to see what they can do.
5. Aguila high velocity ammo seems to shoot very high even though winchesters are dead on. not sure if it is the smaller bullet weight or the higher velocity but it looks like it will require a re-zero to shoot this ammo in my rifle.
This really chaps my a$$
I wanted to improve my iron sights even more so I purchased a . 050 NM DCM front sight post and a .030/.040 NM rear aperture thinking I could really get dialed in with my irons. When I received the new sights, I excitedly set about removing the OEM front sight post and screwing in the new one. Only the new one was too thick and would not fit. %#^@%!! Oh, well I thought. I can at least put on the smaller rear aperture, so I took the OEM aperture off and tried screwing the adjuster back in. Again, the adjustment screw was too large to thread into the new aperture. ^#%$@#$!! I have thought about purchasing a replacement AR front sight base and an AR handle but I am worried what new headaches I will run into with that. I thought some of these parts were standard AR parts but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
All in all, I like the rifle, but it will most likely be much better once Umarex gets all of the kinks worked out. It would also be great if they could use standard AR hardware so you could swap stuff out easily.
I hope this helps others.
Brian
I was really worried after reading all these posts. I was very reluctant, but purchased the OPS model Tuesday, September 29th. I have now run about 600 rounds through the rifle. I have used Federal 711B, WOLF target, Federal AutoMatch and Eley SPORT. All have worked very well. The AutoMatch is high velocity but I didn’t have to adjust the spring to get it to work, it worked fine with the spring set for standard velocity. I have had some Fail to fire rounds with the Federal 711 but it was not the rifle, the ammo is many years old and have the same problem in my bolt action target rifles. I mounted a Leupold Mark 8 4.5X15 to fire for accuracy. The WOLF shot under 3/4 of an inch (outside edge to outside edge, not center to center) at 50 yards. VERY VERY ACCURATE RIFLE!!! Terrible trigger 10 to 11 pounds when measured with digital trigger pull gage. The front sight post is too short, so with iron sights it shoots high. Will have to call for a replacement. One interesting thing I found was that the .22 BoreSighter spud would not fit the barrel when I tried to sight in the scope. The Walther bore was just to tight, I kinda’ like that. I also like the ‘match chamber’. Like I said earlier, very accurate rifle. I don’t care if I can’t shoot super cheap crap ammo. I would rather have an accurate rifle then a rifle that would shoot cheap junk ammo that also gives 2 inch groups at 50 yards. I am extremely pleased & happy with it and am already thinking about buying the rifle version that has the flip down sights. I am going to try to figure out how to improve the trigger and get it down to about 3 or so pounds, but the trigger is about the only thing I have any kind of problem with. Really happy that I bought it.
Just got back from the woods. I fired another 500 rounds. Really, REALLY like this little rifle. Even with the 10+ pound trigger you can fire REAL fast. But still really want to lighten the trigger up. I have ordered one of those Walther Red Dot scopes and 4 extra magazines and am looking more & more at the pictures of the M16 SPR model. Should I or shouldn’t I???????
I bought the M4 ops on Sept. 22 and I finally got to shoot it yesterday, I have used 100rds each of American eagle HP, Armscor standard velocity and Remington golden bullet,first i tried the Armscor & it flawless then I adjusted the bolt speed spring to high velocity I used the American eagle & i had 4 FTF then lastly the dreaded Remington golden bullet which i also had a bad experience with my Walther p22 & to my surprise I only had 3 FTF & the 3 that didn’t fire I notice that the slug was too loose on it’s casing…all in all the only problem that i encountered was the FTF which wasn’t the gun’s fault but it was the ammo…I’m very happy with my M4 ops.
I put a Walther P22 thread adapter on my Colt M4 .22 and my .22 suppressor with 1/2-28 fits great. It even will cycle wilh sub-sonic ammo.
The is the only gun I take to my range now
Capt. Perry
Purchased the M4 earlier this week for my wife, first day out today. Remington ammo failed miserably – especially the Golden Bullet, 0% success. Thunderbolts were not good and Viper was Ok, but 2-3 duds per clip. CCI mini mag worked best, but I still have work to do. Plan to try some Federal, and Winchester ammo next time out.
Sure gets dirty, keep it clean – especially the ramp, had a few jam on the tiny, tiny lip where ramp and barrel meet. May take sandpaper to it? Figure I’ll adjust the screw first and see how that works. Could be a cycling thing.
Overall, about what I expected to better than expected. It’s a blast to shoot, seems to deliver a good punch. Figure I’ll just have to devote a little time to tweaking her in.
Got the M4 Carbine , had the usual remington ammo problems as everone else but the winchesters worked great. Have yet to adjust the “screw” so will probably try that before I cycle CCI mini mags.Iron sights were right on out of the box,too much fun! Did’nt pay a huge amount 499.00 + tax & dros but even with ftf from the remington ammo it was a blast to shoot. Does anyone know if a two piece rail hand guard such as a Troy will fit direct in place of the original hand guard on the carbine.
Just bought a M4 and WOW…. What a fun plinker… I’ve only ran about 200 rounds through it and had one mis-feed of a Thunderbolt… (My marlin don’t like them either…LOL… was trying to get rid of the last 20 or so…)
Very Accurate with the Wincherster X ammo. Now I’m looking for a see-thru riser to mount a red-dor optic on this thing…
Joe
I went to the range again today and tried some remington thunderbolt ammo that i bought at bass pro shop last week (that’s the only ammo they have) i bought 5 boxes of 50 rds for $1.99 a box and to my surprise it was flawless, also i got a box of fiocchi super match from tunners outdoor sportsman for $8.99 (ouch!!!) and it was dissapointing coz for the price i was expecting it to go well… I had 2 FTF n 1 stove pipe out of the 50 rds, good thing i just bought 1 box just to try them out, i hope i can get my hands on some cci, federal and winchester ammo next week to try them out on my next trip to the shooting range….i still had a blast shooting my m4 ops.
I did some more testing this week at 50 yds with a red dot, my eyes are terrible with out. I was using black box winchester HV 40 gr and they were grouping at 1 moa consistantly. I had never seen this with this carbine, do not even remember the rifle version doing that well. I will take rifle back to range and repeat with this ammo. I also had the GSG AK, GSG MP5, and S&W none matched this grouping with this or any other ammo.
The Colt rifle with target scope did this with CCI standard ammo if memory serves, but have not seen any of the listed guns and cheap ammo preform this well. Had no feeding or FTF issues with this Winchester ammo. I did have some Winchester 36 gr HV and it was not doing as well.
Tim O NC
I love the look and feel of Colt M4 22Tactical rifle. But felt it was a let down. It is a very expensive little plinker. I am just a kid at heart with dreams that things should work right. The problem with most of all 22 Rifle and pistols is they just don’t preform. Looking backward in time I remember 22’s like remington nylon 66 and Ruger 10/22’s and Sears Ted Williams model 22’s. You could fire almost any ammo throught them and the quality of the gun would last a life time. What happen to well made products that worked. I just don’t know. Thanks to this Web-Site it makes it possiable to communicate about the pit falls of poor weapon’s that we purchase. I myself have sold my Colt M4 to get a Smith&Wesson Mp15 22, From what I have seen on U-Tube and read here it seems tobe the hot 22 rifle for now.
Need a mid-range (price) red dot scope for my carbine. Who’s got a decent one???????
i have the m 4 22 umarex have had a little trouble with ammo i am still trying different brands. can any 1 tell me hoe to adjust the set screw . i read where some of u turn in nine turns from where do you turn from, when the screw is flush or when the screw is alol the way out. also does anyone know where i can by a front quad rail, umarex sells one for $220.50 witch is almost half the price of the gun. i tried the one from cheaper than dirt but it would not fit because ots for a ar 15 223 ect.
First thanks for having this forum. I have bought a Colt M4 22Tactical rifle. I live in Alaska and I use my 22’s for what they are intended for, small game and plinking. I’ll still think this gun should of cost $100.00 less.
I removed the front sight/removed the rear sight, put on a picitiny rail adapter with a BSA 4 power scope with steel rings. Very accurate out to 100 yrds, I am quite happy with all the table fare this gun has provided me in the last 3 months. I shoot cci seconds. I have yet to have a fail to fire when my gun is out hunting.
Shoot the same ammo. Try others at the range. The barrel had unsightly 2 drive pin slots from the front sight, easly solved by adding 1 foot of black duct tape wraped around the barrel for emergency use. Never gets hot because the inner barrel is the bore. Rabbits, ruff grouse potato and carrots…Is’t that what it is all about? Great sight…..I’ll be back.
Ok…. well over a 1000 rds and still a absolute hoot to plink with….
from my limited experience….
Thunderbolts work near flawlessly (1 misfire, 200 rds)
Winchester Wildcars work flawlessly (0 misfires, over 600 rds)
Remington Vipers ( 1 misfire…. 14 feed issues, 100 rounds)
CCI Mini Mags ( 0 misfire, 300 rds)
Winchester X (7 misfires, 50 rds… but man what a little bitty group….)
Gun show el cheapos Spanish name… spanish writing …. (3 misfires, over 200 rds)
CCI Mini Mag Segmented Ammo ( 0 misfires, 50 rds)
I come by the wildcats pretty cheaply and easy and will probably stick to them… but have a lot of other stuff to use up…. the Vipers are pretty consistent, very tight group (small thumb size hole at 50 yards) but refuse to feed properly. This is probably due to their stepped conical shape.
Amazing how fast you go through 22lr when you loading 30rd clips…
Vandal
ps. nearly every misfire of mine…. came during slow methodical firing…. 1maybe 2 came during fast as I could pull the trigger firing….. hmmmmm
Double PS….
after two cleanings and all the ammo that has gone through it…. the problems seem to be lessening….
Vandal
I have the colt ops 22lr and love it and also, would like to ask if anyone else has looked for a see thru riser for it wiht any success? I have the standard tactical sight and front fixed sight, but would like put a scope on without losing any of my line of sight. dual sight set up. thanks billie
does any one know how to take the bolt out of the rifle ???? i know umarex does not want you to but i need to clean it because it gets real dirty and having it out would be easy
Purchased Colt 22rimfire NIB today at Kingsport, TN gunshow. I wish I had inspected it before I left. [I assumed the Colt trademark would be good enough] When I got home and removed it from the box I noticed that that the ejection-port dust-cover wouldn’t latch. The pin to “break open” the lower wouldn’t give to thumb pressure so I had to tap it out with a piece of plastic. When I hinged open the upper and lower, the latch release popped off and piece of plastic approx. 1cm in the shape of cube popped out onto the floor. This 1cm piece seemed to fit behind the bolt. I put every piece back in the box and will call the manufacturer tomorrow. There’s no way I’m going to shoot this weapon or sell it to someone else. I didn’t get a receipt from the dealer but will track serial no. down to get a refund. Caveat emptor………….
HOJO
All that is normal for this rifle and I believe covered in manual. Yes the gray square piece is the buffer for the bolt.
Tim NC
Welcome to the new world of Colt HOJO. Sorry to tell you but I was told by Umarex the dust cover is just ornamental,the release latch is ornamental,and the muzzle break has to be loosened a quarter turn to remove the pin. Mine after 3 times back to Umarex still will not fire a whole clip of anything without a misfire and now stays locked to the rear when empty ,requiring me to insert finger into bolt to manually release bolt stop. I have collected guns for a lot of years and this one is the worst new gun I’ve ever had the dis-pleasure of owning.If I didn’t have a conscience I would sell or trade mine in a second.
still waiting for anyone who knows how to remove the bolt from the rifle so i can clean it